Daf Yomi Pesachim Daf 41 by R’ Eli Stefansky

today's share is being sponsored by jeremy heyman to my son noam heyman rabbi plus educator who has made aliyah from sydney and is presently in quarantine here you go garrison see that he looks like he's enjoying quarantine i don't know he's on the beach yeah he's been chilling all day welcome to her to stroll happy eleventh birthday to zalman sv billiard from your fellow havria sheer somebody actually sent him a whole beautiful tray of candy again with we are fascinated and inspired by zamon si's commitment to learning the daf and all the brilliant questions you posed for ellie keep giving your parents and all of us much nachas admirable so here we have a few pictures where are they it says like this lady nachman we live in seattle washington ah an exotic place it's your man it's your surest guy and started watching ellie's share of belly share ellie's share i like that a lot better finally somebody got it right watching ellie share the beginning of soccer he loves ellie's geshmach ishmael vocabulary in english hebrew yiddish and especially yeshivish in addition to the great success of kosher tref mutter also been very hard for my son rebelli keep inspiring the young and all the like thank you father here a couple of pictures of us learning together in seattle washington raposai they learned the duff in seattle washington here you go where in the world do you do deaf in seattle washington here's the big screen it didn't print out well that's why i'm late today actually it's all these extra pictures give vodka stuff and by the mdy family and the i'm not going to read any emails i got over 20 i can't i can't do it again i i literally i'm sure a bunch of you also but i was literally sick the entire day i wasn't feeling well from this yeah i don't know the crying like mess with my head crazier than usual yeshua ben barkness we can't forget that one here's a beautiful one i wish i could read his name he doesn't want me to read his name but i would like to thank you for giving the share i've been learning the daf before shoppers by myself and recently with the cabrusa then during the day while driving during work or while installing devices i hazard and listen to your share my wife gave birth a healthy baby girl early this morning mazeltov and it was the daft i made sure i was learning after only getting about three hours of sleep i was learning while holding my new baby and watched the youtube for hazora when they were all sleeping once again like you have said in the past only the deaf keeps people not only but okay mostly the dive keeps people learning at places they normally wouldn't learn mr kyo for the share please don't publish my name i'm going to cover his name here he is with his baby learning the daffies actually i looked it is daf mem literally yesterday's dive so mazel tov and one short one from ronnie sterling from silver spring maryland i want to thank you for a year of the daf full year the effort that you put into preparing the props and the visual is very helpful and meaningful to me i appreciate your continuing encouragement to kabura and the weekly newsletter has something for everyone the newsletter i was just thinking about it's a lot of work that goes into that newsletter a lot there's a bunch of people behind the scenes that are doing a lot of work i read it in shops and appreciate all the efforts still looking forward to meeting you someday thanks again ronnie sterling silver spring maryland where in the world do you do daf so here we go rabbi sai where our we are on daf mem alef that is 40 daf into the maseta and yesterday i had the source of being present at the seom of our kylo the mdy kylo made a serum on irvin why yesterday because yesterday is when they finished the maserta officially four times many of them all of them did it more than four times because they do the the the test and before they test they run through it again it was the fourth time so they made a special scene with meat and chicken and then soup the whole thing then the airbag got up he's part of the kylo he is part of the coyote he learns in the morning by the way anybody in the neighborhood is invited to learn avikamianski used to learn they had jabusa there um she got up and he said he spoke about your meal i don't want to get into it again i'm going to you know i'm going to keep it cool today i hope but he said that the sheer he's speaking about mdy he said the shirt is about to he was very inspired by all the khasa that's going on so i don't want to talk about it but one thing yesterday i was sitting at home and all of a sudden you sure aaron price walks into the house he did knock this time but i forgot to answer so he walked in and he said i have to tell you this so i was done with my crying for the day but then he started it all over again but i'm going to say it now cool shloymi klein from crown heights got into his car and drove two hours each direction to be menachem over a little shayd in lakewood who he has never met in his life it's very very inspiring and uh also a message from the father ruby stroll gordon he's received he said hundreds we'll call it dozens of calls from the cover he says he's he can't just posture can't pick up the phone so if you leave him a message he says it's mitzvah he appreciates it he got so many calls that he's going crazy maybe we should spread it out a little bit i forgot to mention that okay there's seven days zak the heiler gigamara we're holding on the top of mem aloha omar of ashi five lines down omar avaji kivo se deraf kahana mistabra so we had yesterday well we had two two items here we had the characters that's not really high rises it's a dip for meat that has it contains vinegar and water and we have the mustard and you add to it flour we have like us we have machines in the mach like it's israelis on both items are just one this is just the tail end of the sugyo which we didn't we weren't able to finish yesterday because it's already on the next day's daf we were already over we went five lines in says is only regarding mustard not regarding the characters the concern is characters is strong it could burn out the comments muster not so much so um since it's not like your business what does raviolis say again revision had a trick he said if you're you soak your grain and it starts expanding right before it explodes and it splits soak it in vinegar vinegar has the ability to reduce the swelling allah is not like regularizing don't listen to him my love samute who delayed summit it doesn't have the ability to reduce the swelling okay so once it doesn't have that ability common sense would say that we have two items we have all liquids of the world you have water and apple juice and grape juice and then you have vinegar on the other end vinegar has the ability to reduce swelling and all the other masculine in the world have the ability to make comets so if vinegar that allah has not like ruby it doesn't have that ability you don't know what you're talking about doesn't have the ability so then it goes into the category of water and everything else so it makes comets ah so it's very humid so so if you put flour into a tap shell that has this uh vinegar it's going to make your hummus forget about reducing it preventing hummus it's going to be like water it's going to make hummus no that's common sense my love summit so since it can't reduce the melee becomes like anything else maybe it's a category by itself it's a middle category it's not water and it's not vinegar or the vinegar of rabbi it's in between category mitzvah summits it doesn't have the ability to reduce it it's pariv it doesn't make comments it doesn't prevent hummus it doesn't do anything so don't bring your eye from that all right new segue no messerta if you just joined mdy today and that's yummy today here we go brand new stuff so the gamora it says in the mission of vashlim you cannot cook a carbon pesach in any kind of mashup any liquid [Music] here's the pasok do not eat the carbon pasta when it's rare no it's rare and don't eat it when it's cooked in water so two things don't do do not eat it rare do not cook it in water how do you eat it ki im sli ash it has to be roasted give aldek a picture of a roasted well this is not a very accurate but this is what it would look like okay it's kind of gross the teeth and everything it this i think it will pretend that it has its legs and its feet still its hands its legs yeah yeah this you just don't see it they're folded behind you don't see it but this is just uh don't put it in a pot do something like this okay fine so it says in the past don't cook it in water now what if i cook it in grape juice i cook it in apple juice it doesn't say it says it don't cook it in water shy masculinity and how did i know that it's us to cook it in anything else i'm just gonna hammer so the gemara gives us two reasons why would be oscar or any other type of liquid water is neutral it doesn't do anything you put the the animal into the water you cook it nothing happened to the animal it's going to cook but you didn't add flavor sharmaski and me figure you're removing the flavor of the of the lamb or whatever it is the goat lamb you're removing the flavor by inserting a new flavor putting orange juice into it oranges sorry oranges i'm sorry lloyd kolchain so certainly should be a proud fine so that's a cavaheimer i illustrate [Music] how do i know that i cannot cook up this carbon pesach with other liquids this double ocean now we have to remember this so remember in the beginning of the suggest today we learned that who says this rebbe says i use it for what sharmashkin any liquid is user to cook up your carbon pesach with why am i telling you to remember this because later on when i'm a base rebbe is going to use the bush for something completely different there's more gemara is going to ask how can you use two things there's a way to use it mikhail malcolm any way of cooking is awesome where's nacho what's going on here so now you guys have to be in charge if i miss a word you scream it out sleek oh sleek hater you take a roast you put it in a pot as is you take the whole carbon put it into a pot you don't add any water no wine no anything and you cook it up i searched i don't know somebody's telling me that that's what that's what roast beef is i didn't find anything like that so its own juices it sits in its own juices so if you go with water so if we're going to learn a calverheimer that something that removes the flavor is worse than water well roast beef or whatever you want to call this sleek caterer let's call it you put it into a pot you're not adding any flavor it is itself so you don't have a cava climber anymore but according to rebbe who learns ubasham of bushel they has a special apostate so it included issur for its leak there okay no somebody wanted to tighten in the coil that if you have roast beef at the seder because you're not allowed to have anything similar to carbon pay south whatever is it considered not considered is it in the past not in the past five robot on high bushel yeah i need a drink nice cheer i like your cheer thank you wow nice what what are you saying according to review white doesn't say i am according to your learning [Music] um and how would i know to make that that lee mood he learns it from the word mine how do i know other version of vusual okay i hear i don't know i have to think about it what's the difference how you learn to sleep hey there fine virabon on high bashful abdullah according to them that they learn they don't need these actual words bashful bushel of ravi so what do they do with the words bachelor members why does the taurus say double ocean not in its proper way so you get malcolus so what if you roasted it like you're supposed to and then you cooked it or you cooked it and then you roasted it so you finished it off with a nice roasting are you do you get malcus the answer is yes because it says mushroom bushel it says twice the word and that comes to tell us that you have to start it off with a with roasting and it off with roasting any bishop in between or after is a problem i saw the eat of ponem see we're going quesadillas today we'll try to stick in he says this gemara comes to be miranda's the idea of because wants us to be we shouldn't fake we shouldn't our actions on the outside our long beard and pay us and everything should reflect the inner medicines that we have the inner magshoves shouldn't just be myself so don't pretend that you you're roasted when you're in fact cooked yeah that's why i don't have a beard i like to reflect the outside has to reflect the inside fine i didn't say it somebody in the chair goes like this he's like in my face thank you that's why he brought me here she forced me to come here to make fun of me now if you start off cooking i understand why it doesn't help it's too late you prepared it in a pot you cooked it so what good is it that you throw it on the roaster afterwards it's already ready to eat and after it's ready to eat you put it on the roasters i understand that you were over slowly but you roasted it you're behind the whole mitzvah you could undo what you did i roasted it now it's it's mine we even had yesterday you could take it it's in the mishnah no um i could take after this roasted then i could dunk it in whatever i want no hotly issue am i yes it goes according to the bic the sanyo yoitsenburg hashor boisei this is the suggests i don't know if this is it but this is where it starts at least it says over here that if you take a matzah a wafer-shaped matzoh and you sharui shruya gibrax you soak it in water you do something to it so we have like this shruya soaked in water nobody argues that your yoyotsu of matzo even hasidam will agree that midiraiso is no that's not the problem they it's a humra right so yay timber kick so according to the tanaka if it's cooked but it still has its shape it looks like a matzo you're okay divi okay he agrees that truia soaked in water matzah it was baked again you have a baked a normally baked matzo and later on you put it into something and soak it so yeah it's according to everybody comes with icing says even though this was baked but later on i cooked it so i'm not yeah i'd say so what does the gracie tell us that after i finish baking it's 100 edible it's a baked good and then i go and i do something else called cooking i undo the baking it's no longer considered baked so now i'm not eating a baked matzo what am i eating a cooked matzo so too when it comes to carbon pesach i roasted it and then i cooked it so i undid the roasting according to the ic i could undo the previous actions this could go according to amir as well that what that you could be itself i say they're with me bushel that's not a problem you take your matzo out of the mata bakery throw it in a in a in the soup cook it up and you're yay bicarbon pesac is different any type of cooking is no good so therefore even though i roasted it the toy is coming to tell me boston bushel don't touch it now very interesting for this year you're not yay so with cooked matzo so if i take a matzo from the bakery and i throw it into the into a pot and i cook it up so i'm not say so listen to this there are people believe it or not there are people that do this this year that arab peso falls out on shabbos what do you do by shallow sodas there are people that take their matzo and put it in the soup and the melo because this is no it's not like the 30 days israel it's like uh like being with his uh arusa the base cometh so so they do is they take the matza and now becomes possible for mata mitzvah but it's still him so you could eat shall show this if you want to eat saggy matzo on her face that's the dark people that do it with the avid bottom line is biddy aved so with amazon but people should not soak their mats off the laser unless a person is an old man old person or if somebody doesn't have teeth then they could be yay saying however there's a minig of ancient iso of hasidim of people who are makbid on shruya the concern is that perhaps this flower embedded and that will become muhammad and they're very very very marketed i i don't know if i should say this but i tried this out when i first got married i'm you know not making one of the few people and for the last what 26 years we're in my schwerz hotel he owns a hotel and we go there with almost baja and the first few years i would make sure he's watching me and as he's watching me i would throw the mats into the hot soup and eat and i realized very very quickly how much it upsets him in my figure so i don't do it anymore in front of my sphere turn around on i do it for the mixed figure i don't like it at all but i like chipping people tonera bonon yoho he called sarki it wasn't kidaita chapim him it wasn't kiddai but other people maybe taraba yochodz called circa by the way there's a funny allah when it comes to gibraltar i didn't know this until they hold like he said you got to take the ball you take my ball away from me put it away you can't use it the whole pesa but you could use it that only lasts for 360 days not 365. it's interesting allah like a it's a caveat in the typically it would last forever or 360 no three six until the following pace then it becomes mutter interesting allah what if a guy as the gamer is going to explain takes the carbon pace off and and mamas burns it up the opposite of rear he goes like like the front people like to eat their steak like extra extra extra done you think it's a yes sir just like rare as this you get malcus to give our thoughts there's only two things that are awesome no well not only two things but in the past no rear ubasho and cooked those are the two things if you toast it up what's the situation um what if you ate raw not real raw i think you have so let's talk about this for a second because we're going to be talking about it a little bit more as we turn the daf and that is the idea of lav shubachlalis it's a new concept your boys i don't know no maybe we learned it three days ago but i don't remember so for now it's new we probably mentioned it somewhere along the line in the last month or two fine so what we have here is two very specific lavin and one ambiguous might be a good word i don't know like a general a general love okay so we have like this the key word is raw uh rear rear so if you eat something that's rare you're over on this word right over here so you've got markets then it says basham a bushel doesn't get any clearer than that cooked it says my first you cook it in water what do you get 39 lashes malcols but then it says something very general ki imtli you must roast it meaning that if it's not roasted let's say it's raw that could be included in this but do you get malcolus this is a very general halacha what if you put it on khameet fairy as the gemara says hot springs inferior it's not included enough it's not raw it's cooked it's not included in bathroom because it's not my bushel there's no flame underneath it's hot springs that come from the ground so where what is what is it included in perhaps it's included in this general halacha that you must eat it when it's roasted and fairy is not roasted raw is not roasted so basically we have two things here that are not included in the top but are included in this lobster clawless it's a general lab do you get malcus from such a thing or you don't get malcus for lobster claws it's too general it includes too many things so maybe you don't get malcus so says the gemara this man the omar i'm going i'm just reading rashi here because you have to read rashi for this this line over here that says you do not get malcus we'll be going according we're going to see inabaya two separate cheaters that's one says you don't get malcolus because of this red kinsliesh this is not super close you don't get malcolm so therefore if it's raw raw raw you don't get malcos what i don't know maybe like in america they'll say medium rare whatever it is in part but it's rare but it's not raw raw is not included in the word no um one of my favorite pictures of shaas very i missed it last time here it goes oh like a picture ah i liked it as well this is hot springs in japan this is a real picture i have the video of this look it up these are snow monkeys chilling out in the hot springs in japan it's snowing and everything it's momish like when we go skiing we sit in the hot in the tub outside it's boiling hot and it's snowing you don't feel the snow it's getting valdic i i i'm saying i miss those days one day we're gonna go snowboarding soon anyways you can see in the background there's chilling here hamid very so if you take your pot you take your carbon paste and put it in the fairy and you cook it everybody asks how do you get your we just learned in the sugar there's no paris good noise and you're shalian there's no hamilton why because then people say whoa sogishmaki rush line we went into the mikvah the high samika so they don't do that there's no so how do you find the khameferia okay there's a lot of terrorism one one rabbi i saw says from here you see that they have thermoses in those days they brought the water from it but that's a cliche from here you see that a thermos is a clear resign i'm not joking he says it look in the back of the massive and then i don't understand the casual there was no hamid fairy but the whole turret everything we learned there's no baby that fell off the roof and a guy went like this and stabbed it in the mid-air but with learning allah what if and she comes and there is is very cooking and not cooking who cares that there is very not coming very well there's a lot of tea roots in i mean the basic turrets would be that there's a small humidity not one that you can enjoy and sit in there you could cook it up why not so you're using the hot springs potter why it's not visual yeah hot spring but all hot springs look how called hamilton yeah so i'm saying that's what i'm saying there is a hot spring usually somewhere but we learned that there is no hot spring because there's no place in the noise so it's maybe smaller if you took so it's not cooking on shabbos why because cooking showers has to be with the flame but if you cooked up your current pace you're over isn't that a contradiction is the law in the tallest stage being on valencia peso not me leftovers the issue why is it considered cooking on pesach i didn't cook up my thing i didn't do it with the flame um because of the general love of kinsley h oh says rasheed this mandarama holds lovesheba claudius you do get malcus a second ago he said you don't get malcolm's this man says from the general rule i could get malchus rafi right there have an awesome massive little holder he says in the hot springs why he explains it it's the general love that anything that's not cooked or not roasted you get marcus so hamid faire is not roasted you're supposed to cook it you're supposed to roast it you didn't roast it you get malcolm's that's tomorrow's sugar really we might even touch it today now running out of time but could you learn a lot from okay unbelievable we just turned the daf sponsored by gedalia fenster very close of a guy he has a whole podcast twenty thousand people the first name of his own son daniel bentovo bentova basha so what does it say here if you eat the carbon pesos when it's raw you get two markers check this out it's beautiful it's going to make everything very very simple in the pasta i just mixed it around so i did it blue green red that's how the pasta says it didn't work out for me to do blue green red so i did blue red green but it's the same exact thing so i just switched it around and i put that sling in the middle why because if you eat something raw so you're over there right so because it says don't eat raw and you're also over a second thing called insace this is the general one so general go so how many over here two if you eat something that's cooked so you get one love for cooking it but you also get the general one that's two what if you eat both a cause i said this and a consideration to this so you run three maybe even four the point is i could be over on at least three laven i might get this double okay two please the point is you get three lava mirrors of no of course you get the eight so of course you have on that the question is what if you don't have it's not bushel it's not not it's in between it's something that's not mentioned in the toyotario the hot springs do i get alive at all so that depends if if the live ship will close this general love does this give me malcus or not says the gemara let's see it inside look at if i eat it raw you get two me like if i cook it up i get two one for the the the mafuri slav of don't cook it and one for the general lab of sleep no um one is no one is moving one is raw all right rear one is cooked like a chalice then you get three two specifics and one general abayo omar a vague statement he says but you don't get malcus for the sleep the general rule so what does that mean i'm retired lucky as lucky so this you have to raboi said this is a tricky word right here i'm warning you it's not talking about this case no that of course everybody holds you get marcus for no everybody else you get marcus from a bushel a abba is jumping to ajas to khame theriault when don't i use the general rule when i have a specific love so why should i add another malcus to the guy give the guy 78 lashes because of this general one here he's already getting 39 markers but when does zero like in khamit vario the third doesn't talk about then abbay does invoke the general love is just saying you don't get two times now because you only get once lucky in a case of hameet varya you would get one lucky no abbay says you never ever use the middle guy well i made it middle he's at the end of the puzzle but you never use the general malcus to give somebody a general life to give somebody malcus ever even in the case where he doesn't get any malcolm so he won't get malcus that's it it'll be a sir he won't get marcus [Music] look at this very important deposit says impossible pericle puzzle gimmel the passage is talking about malcus in general following don't muzzle your animal when you're working him i actually have a picture beautiful picture i believe it's here in arizona many years ago you see the arab guy these animals are emaciated they have the yolk and they have a muzzle if you look closely you'll see they have a muzzle it's a beautiful picture i mean when you go up to your salon you see these walls here so i'm i'm assuming that this is an area so it looks like it is all kind of thing fine you see these cows who worked in polish doesn't feed them he muzzles them and he expects them to work all day fine i don't know could you see the ribs yeah here we go there you go anyway let's have some short videos but it's very specific love it's a specific love don't put a muzzle on your animal it doesn't get any clearer than that so every anytime you get malcolm malcus it has to be like kasima has to be very specific and now rabbi said we're just going to say this exact thing all over again but regarding another and wine if you eat if another who cannot eat grapes can't eat can't drink wine eats the skin of a grape like a stein because there's a there's a specific halacha in nizeros that says don't eat the tar says the word zag and there's a general one just like we have sleeve there's a general one mikhail kharzon like time if he eats the seed he also gets two why because the taurus says don't eat a seed but there's also the general one because she gets the general one plus the two to the two abbayo marion looking at livestream clothes comes up by and says you don't get malcus for the general one ikeda retired to delay lucky some say he just means to say you don't get to me is lucky oh and in grapes there's something else called the leaf of a grape remember they used to make they used to wrap meat i don't know if they still do that they used to wrap meat with the leaf of a grape that leaf of a grape is not mentioned in the torah so it's it's similar to kame tvero it's just it's a derivative of grapes of vines of the whole vineyard but it's not it's not what it says in the entire so it's a lifesaver clothes that would be included of me call a sheri also anything from grapes he doesn't get any love at all he doesn't get malcus i should say the lobby gets he doesn't get malcols or he gets malcolm's foreign what if a person eats now there's a yesterday the carbon pesac peso it says below you should eat it at night so what if a person went ahead and ate a rare piece of the carbon pesos now a rear piece of the carbon paste of angle i say there malcols what about a rear piece of the current pesach pesach now if you ate carbon pay stuff on earth peso you're over you get alive you get malcolus but what about we'll see what about a rear piece because that we said that if you eat it after online if he ate a [Music] that a person cannot be part of two groups you have to be part you have to count yourself as a group when you eat the carbohydrate you can't be part of two groups and you can't be in two places so if you ate air of pesach from roasted mammish like you're supposed to beautifully roasted you ate it there pesa now don't say oh i ate it in ramapachamish i can't eat with you could eat it in slime because what you did out of pesto doesn't make it doesn't ruin it for you it's also but it didn't ruin free because i saw him but if he did the same thing wanted nightfall puzzles tells us why i need a positive four because at the end of the day i have a cava homer and i have logic i can work with both of them and the puzzle is going to come and be misadded what's going on here um at the little cedar there's a mitzvah to eat it roasted and if i eat it raw i get mauka's bishops at a time that it's awesome for me to eat it roasted when is it awesome for me to eat roasted carbon pasta the carbohydrate tells me that it should be awesome to eat raw era pesach because if it's when it's muttered to eat roasted it's acetate raw so when it's usted roasted certainly should be acetyl raw interesting avocado oil maybe i can use logic differently we'll say about that if the issuer of roast is only during the day and not at night so then the issue of raw should be only during the day and not by night and the reverse logic over here is telling me that at the seder united oyward raw just like roasted i'm not over at night so raw i'm not over at night just like roasted i'm over during the day so raw i'm over during the day they should be equal because at the end of the day the terror took off the issue of roasted and said your lady he rose to that to say there some lady raw at the seder maybe i should say such a thing why does the turret say look the passage right before says do eat roasted do not eat raw rare i should say weird am i saying wrong old time very confusing sorry rear and raw mama's in my head when does the misfit eat roasted there's a esser to eat rare they're the opposite of each other not together not like we thought when there's a mitzvah to eat roasted is a mitzvah to eat rear no when there's a mitsubishi roast it is a issue to eat when it's awesome to eat roasted then it's mutter not multiple you don't get malcus on eating rear rebbi ekrani boshel so very very positive going back here comes in the review moves says rabbi look why do i need a double ash why did it say racist maybe it's also to cook it at le la seder what if you cook it you preempt it you cook it air face off on a tuesday afternoon you cook it it's not basically it maybe i could eat it at least any type of cooking frank the gemara vibration of bushel application review putting it in without any ingredients just soaking it cooking it in its own juices or all mash can we said oh very simple macro oil my bottom revolution this is tuli mode first of all the double lotion second of all the interesting lotion if you double so just say the same word twice bashal basha and the voice of bushel why two types of words bachelor myth that teaches two types of first of all the double second of all the interesting way of writing it that's also alimod should we stop here let's stop here at boise multi-chavis at 7 30 then should have an aliyah the birthday boys should have atlanta this year no i'm here on nachman is not here today foreign is it on the screen went off i didn't see what you wrote or they wrote what do you have there throw it to me let me see [Music] i see clifton a yiddish on rabbi did anybody say from the clifton i haven't seen him in a long time zalman sv mazel tubbs almond sweet 11 years old you know that by the time you're bar mitzvah you're going to finish half shots it's unbelievable who's learning with him you're learning with him um wow wow beautiful one minute timeout it's like oh that's david feinberg okay i didn't cop you look different today david um it picks up distinguished how are you i missed you where were you i was around [Music] where in the world do you do that on the new jersey transit you