Daf Yomi Nedarim Daf 17 by R’ Eli Stefansky

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contact at 972-58-797-76666 to Levy Shapiro this is our very very good friend shloimy so let me climb I don't know if you guys remember and if you don't if you're new to this year the first picture we had at Shirley Klein was him in the hospital dying from covet bamus he was like he's on he's on his way out kemat and he sent us pictures and he's doing the Daft through it all and that's how we got to know him very well and Shem he's alive and well with his unbelievable sense of humor and here's lady Shapiro I forgot to show this book I got it from a few people so I'm gonna show this this is our good friend he's the organizer of the Manchester CM shimmy leafman in New York City doing what chimney leafman does because when we got off the train in Manchester we heard him from a mile away he was screaming get over here yeah and all sorts of stuff but here he is in New York City put it nice and loud [Music] no Boucher I think Ireland liked it so we got to do it again the guy's in shot look at that guys like okay la paltov you should let people who started tying us like myself know that after moti Shabbos they have been doing the DA for complete year in English calendar 365 days a pretty impressive feat for people who haven't done the death before unbelievable a lot of people started tyness and here it is 365 days later it's been a fun it has been fun being here live the last 10 days I didn't know what your voice sounded like in regular speed a lot of people that come here they say they say the same things basically they'll say that I sound a lot different on regular speed I'm much taller than they thought and this measures is much smaller than they thought okay those are the things I showed it yesterday right share Manchester but boys I also want to mention I get a tremendous amount of stuff I'm very proud of myself you don't have to care about this but for me it's an unbelievable achievement I've been giving sheer for three years straight without One Stop without one break they say a thousand days over there but 1095 sounds it doesn't sound three years three years without a break thank you I want to say a tremendous I read the entire article you'll see sandwiches last night I got back from the conservator you're flying like one whatever I read this a whole article you'll see Sounders he wanted to interview me I told him I didn't really have time in Manchester if he wrote this giant article beautiful I don't know you guys are not going to have it and it's the Jewish weekly in the UK beautiful he wrote mama so now I think I have to interview with him uh we go Victor here Penny pakanowski from Melbourne there's a picture of him last night at the Victoria and I want to tell you very quickly I had a piece of inspiration maybe people won't connect to it as much as I did but I have to share with you because from the entire evening this was the biggest muscle Haskell and a lesson I'll keep for the rest of my life my niece Eliana she has three children I showed a video of her father-in-law yesterday Dr Delbert with the kid sitting on his lap okay her father is Shabbat Seder so I asked him how was your flight she was very good very good I said it must be a lot easier you know zadie paid for the business tickets and the you know sitting in business with these three three children must have made it easier she told me this line and I started crying mamish for me she goes yeah he paid for my business tickets but I chose to fly economy I flopped I flew economy so that my my children shouldn't learn about business class I wanted them to learn fly like a regular person she got free tickets zadie was zadie was paying and she to me it was a I don't know if you could relate not related but somebody gives you a free business ticket you take it usually but to give a lesson to her children to give and I thought about right I was thinking that says wanted his child small to see what it is he gave he showed them he taught them a real lesson even though even though she took a big hit of personal hits for me I started crying on the spot I thought you made me cry never you know why I don't fly business not because I can't afford it of course I can afford it you want to get it for my children they're really how are you I'm a child of my kids very well I fly business with my wife and my kids sit in the back where they belong not joking what are you laughing Emma's how are you long time no speak quick story downstairs in the basement at K A in Lakewood last night getting a drink when I heard two cuddle guys breaking their heads about La carbon why the laminate makes a difference then I remember my Ruby with what my rib Ellie taught me too blood ago it's not that the line makes the difference but it's the valve under the lamb and it's a schwa or Patak they looked up at me and said wow you're right which I answered and then doing the dot for the rebelli they already known this is the best part about it is was able to teach these color guys something from the dove proof is in the pudding system works be well your time yaakov lock foreign Marty's in the house or boy side we waited for you for eight minutes to start this year thanks for being here Dr Ivory methane in memory of my dear the pirate loved ones included my recent young the viscos happy birthday you sucker dive Nova seller from repentance Nova seller happy birthday oh and refuel schlamer filani Ito Miriam bass higher rifco man [Music] here we go we're in daf babies yeah yeah machine is four lines from the bottom so there's definitely design Ed oh I have to give these out now I don't know if I could do all of them I'll do some of them because there are a lot of them um here goes Ellie for mdy it's a small keychain from Joseph dahari Avi K you get one gets one rabbit Schoenberg does not get one Netanya who else non-fix you get non-fix maybe that I've read me he's not here yo save your boys I gets one and Thomas I think that's it the rest are all like okay we'll give them whoever behaves the best today we'll get one of these does not get one of these but if you promise to okay says the gemara the Shane is we spoke about making a let's say not to wear till not to sit in a circle do we learn it from this is that even though it's the last Shem when it comes to this when it comes to either you break it you don't break it as we had yesterday says yamara most of them not feel like we have a different bosses and he did the Mitzvah he said he's not gonna wait till he swore that he's not going to return and took his safetyra I said in hashem's name he's not going to wear it's villain buddy should be high if I'm breaking is so here's the pasok again doesn't mean bad and good it means positive and negative I will eat I won't eat laharas I want it I hate them as I will eat [Music] so the garage was learned out that when it comes to I will do is not referring to I will do a Mitzvah because the schwa cannot work on me doing a Mitzvah you ready it doesn't work on doing him so too it doesn't mean I won't do a Mitzvah it's talking about I won't eat a loaf of bread it's not talking about a Mitzvah so you see this concept already from this person from foreign as I mentioned yesterday this could die to mention again I don't know if you picked up on it I saw people looking at me like yeah yes the gamara says yes nigamara says he Potter from the lab of a schwa but you are haive malcus how can you be Hive malcus because he made a shove it's a completely different thing you made it that we're not discussing here the round just sticks in and by the way don't think that you just go home scott-free you're gonna get the 39 whips you would also get that if you made it on not even closer uh good child yeah that's exactly what we're talking about yeah that's already the same thing I just put on filling I mean that's the positive and the negative he says the official mission expansive yes foreign foreign but there is a concept of a nether within another let's stop right here there is no such thing as a nether within a nether I cannot make another we're talking about not nether's talking about the zeros Minister says yes nether is talking about nazirus so which there is yes I could apply one Nether on top of another net there we're going to go into what case there is a mandoma that says I could actually make a net there that a nazirus here I'm going to start today in the zeros so it starts right now for 30 days and then he says it again and repeats the same words I want to become another so it starts today again and he doesn't know he does the same 30 days but it's hived twice he's it it's kind of on top of each other that's one man the other Mando almost says that it's Hal when he's done when the 30 days are over then he starts up again however once you swear that you're not gonna need a loaf of bread so you can't swear again that you're not going to eat that loaf of bread because you're ready one thing cannot you can't apply the same exact halacha the same exact on something you can't apply the another Israel you need you need to either expand it or you know do different things to it to make it how it can't just be how one on top of the other and the same on the same space we're talking about the zeros which in the zeros is sort of a nether it's in between it's not a nether it's not a schwa it's somewhere in between so a person says I am going to become another if I eat this loaf of bread and he says again I will become an author if I eat this loaf of bread and then he ate the loaf of bread so that triggers the eating of a bread triggers his zeros for each in the zeros you shall see Durant just brings here another side Allah that when it comes into zeros so for every hasra every time they didn't come and warn him hey don't forget you're another and he eats a physias he's Hive then he come they warn him again in other words it's not a free-for-all you can't just start eating okay I started eating let me just eat as much as they want every time they didn't come along and they say is you hire for each one now in order to remember this eyes I'll tell you a joke just to remember this uh this was a elderly woman who stole a can of pickles so the judge looked at it he counted he said okay the cat usually has seven eight pickles we're gonna give you seven days in jail so her husband in the in the he was there he starts screaming he's like what does he say what does he say he's saying I witnessed that she also stole a can of olives foreign on each and every one just remember that each and every one fine since Monday didn't laugh at a joke so I'll tell you another your favorite once said he gave a speech he said he announced the oil he says tomorrow is my big sheer clolly and you know most a lot of the guys didn't show up she says tomorrow but it's your cloudy I'm gonna do something I'm gonna wear my frack that's out of color olive color so the whole Yeshiva came to see your book exactly like a clown wearing a olive color frock and sure enough he shows up with a black frog so remember you lied to us snow there are black owls also fine huh what's in um all right I'll go upon him a guy makes in the zeros he makes in a zeros because he wants to improve his life he he feels he's going to do something for him he has he's a stickle alcoholic maybe he has a little bit of a drinking problem on Shabbos him and the kid there's and you know he goes home and he he makes a big disturbance on Shabbos him so he makes it a zeros he says yeah you know I'm not gonna drink anything if I touch wine after being a carb and the whole thing so there is a concept and personally for me it works tremendously and I mentioned this again I mentioned this a bunch of times but it's kadai for the new guys especially one thing that works best for me in terms of not stopping to learn let's say if people talk to you while you're learning or not eating that that chocolate cake that's on the thing when you you say you're on a diet is to give yourself a canas similar to this in zeros the zero says if you're going to drink wine you have to give a carbon carbon's very expensive five six hundred dollars plus two birds go to the base and make those the whole process shave your head it's not it's not comfortable so one of the things that you can do and it's very effective try it out is you promise a certain amount of money to DACA I personally like this Ducker that I hate the most so the the guy I don't want to give this Docker to whatever some sort of organization I don't believe in everybody has their thing so you give to Dad's Dhaka a nice amount of money something that hurts your pocket now before you touch no he's not he's fine every day it's just a play Replay he's just really wherever it fits huh so huh and Mama's works it worked you tried it it works you want to eat that chocolate cake no it's gonna cost you 500 bucks 500 bucks not 500 bucks if it's 500 bucks mdy numela 500 bucks in the tour character I don't know what it's oh yeah no no no I'm not going there okay says the guitar if that's what it took I would have done it six months ago we got that but the contrast is find the zeros you have an each one and think about it's going to explain exactly how he did it I swear I'm not gonna eat this loaf of bread and I swear I'm not gonna eat this loaf of bread one of them is like what's this guy doing it could be he's a brisker like he wasn't sure if he said she said in that case it doesn't work so we're going to see in a second depends on the case once you hear the case in the zeros will be so obvious that it works basically if you hold that it works one on top of the other since there is a cluster it's impossible schmuel is going to learn from positive but if the case is that once one of zeros finishes the other one begins that makes a lot of sense why shouldn't it work deals with that so it has to be it has to be similar to schwa how do you fit that into score that's exactly what our sugar is beautiful we learned with the same conversa don't we okay sometimes okay fine um so the case is that he said I'm an azer today and he also said I'm a Nazir tomorrow the Migos since this is one extra day at the end so then zeros Works take a look at the chart for a second he said blue he said I'm an azer another lad another last for 30 days then he said again I'm another tomorrow so there's an overlap the 29 days on the red are the same as the as the 29 days in the blue but this one extra day unread because he starts in the zeros the next day so it's one extra day it is one extra day at it he said I'm 30 days another today and 30 days knows it from tomorrow so that means the second is zeros ends one day after the first of zeros oh since there's one day all the way at the tail end of the red but guess what the Run keeps on explaining this there is no such thing as in the zeros for one day there's no such thing as nazirus for five minutes if I say I'm another five minutes automatically I become another for 30 days it's not a regular nether in the nether I'm not gonna touch his breath for five minutes five minutes the zeros is liking that they're not like a nether it's like Yeshua it's automatic 30 days so my Melo you take that one day all the way at the end and you have to add on 29 purple days new Zeus tomorrow so the Run says I don't know if this is what you're asking but I might be answering what you're saying Durant says the biggest side here so why is it Nether on top of another maybe that's what you're asking why is it a Nether on top of another it's 30 days that begin after the blue the blue is over starts a new a new nazirus one day of red and 29 days of purple called 30 days of red it's a different to zeros it's not zeros it's not a nausea on top of another it's another after another what's the connection Tower this is the round beautiful we must say that when the guy says magnesium should start tomorrow it starts it's in the background it's playing in the background of all those 29 days of the red is there and it's Khali says during the blue during the 30 days of the blue it just starts physically and and practically it starts after the blue is over but it's how it's there it's an it's a zeros on top of any zeros when I look at the first 30 days I have two naziruses playing here at the same time the blue and the red the 30 plus the 30 is just in the background not potential it's there potential is not enough says Gary can we get some air conditioning here maybe it's very hot maybe to turn turn the uh close the windows [Music] no so then it's not in that's not as used on top of the zeros I'm looking for something that's on top like a schwa I I can't eat this loaf of bread I can't eat this loaf of bread plus I can't eat this loaf of bread it's the same loaf of bread two times and be over two carbonas be over two things huh we gotta close the windows guys otherwise it's not gonna work says again oh there's another nikudo that I I just need to say real quickly it's an obvious question that everybody's asking themselves why in the world is the mission to say that he's another triggered by a loaf of bread just say I am another for 30 days I am another for 30 days why does the mission say I am another if I eat a loaf of bread why is that important to the case you can be another without eating a loaf of bread I'm a nausea for 30 days so the round says it just mimics the lotion of ashwa sure I'm going to eat a loaf of bread I mean a little loaf of bread so the mission has to have a certain style the style is the same okay it's not important but in case you're asking the question that's the answer according to the route the other thing is huh it is yeah it's Agave because it's playing in the background [Music] yeah but what's the difference why is that important to our case the case is to put another musician type in his ears why do I care how I got there how it started but another naku that I want to point out that I saw on the run I thought it's important to know let's see if anybody thinks differently maybe it's not important maybe I really have this themselves when the 30 Days Are Over You see the blue 30 days are over does he go to the base time mcdosh and bring your carbon and shave his head and then start tomorrow 1 through 30 or he's starting another process in the zeros let him just start and go what do you say stay Hashem that I'm saying it then okay so at least we have one person that could help out no he goes to the visa she brings all the square bonus it's a good point foreign it was in the background just I couldn't okay you're asking if it's in the background how do I shave it here I hear all these shilohs very good let's go back there tomorrow [Music] um let's just read the words the Migos because it's that one extra day all the way at the tail end day 31. Highlander zero seven zeros so the zeros applies itself on top of another Zeus says if he says I want my 30 days to to go what's the word called currently what's the word at the same exact time I wanted to work 30 days at the same time of my 30 days I want to be over twice and little zeros that doesn't work because ravuna is using logic common sense and Common Sense tells me one cannot apply itself to the other but if it's all at the tail end I could start so that's common sense now not true you could have two zero is one type of dog why why so the simple lotion of the mission is of the gemara why are we talking about two separate cases of a Nether and a schwa listening is you want to ask a very obvious question in nether itself I have two cases I have a case of a Nether on top of another in the same 30 days I have tuna darum in this case we have 30 days and then through another 30 days afterwards two beautiful cases in nether why do I divide them and separate them one is another one is a schwa now that's a typical case of lift like if you're listening with the dog why am I jumping to two to two cases Nether and Chua give me an example within nether one works one doesn't work 30 upon 30 doesn't work 30 after 30 does work Iran says that's not the question over here because otherwise you have the same exact question says the ran the question is very nice if it's true that a Nether on top of a nether like shmuel says doesn't work then it should be in the mishnah just elaborate a little bit you started talking about the dharim that it's another after another 30 days here and then after the next 30 days and then you're jumping immediately into that's very good says the round that's okay but at least explain what happens if you have 30 days on top of 30 days in another you forgot that Allah why are you jumping in me not don't talk about a schwa but why can't you explain a little bit more in another give me two cases of another and one case of a schwa why are you jumping immediately this rule you hear listening I have two cases in nether one applies itself on the other and one doesn't apply itself the what Harry knows if I start my second zeros tomorrow then it's a case of yes then two in the dark can be on top of each other but if he says but both of them are together so if you die in on the blaze any nether protect another cashier okay we know in shots Casio Fantasia Stockman this we're not going to throw the jokes but to use the you could die from but not not a caution okay we just turned to the United bases you've been able to support Torah on defense I gotta tell you this myself this was to me unbelievable it's not like the biggest problems in the world but if you recall when I was in Manchester I set a middle sheer that one of my wife's relatives grew out his hair very long and I thought he's from sugar and then I saw him nice clean cut haircut and I said I said what's good now I said okay so it's normal what's going on so the guy comes over to me yesterday she needs to describe 100 people told them they could clip and because of me I was Maxwell's mother she watched an entire Shear enough behind me a whole thing yeah and then he tells me he says you're not going to believe it where did you say that story in Manchester in a show guess what that's my show that's where I was my bar mitzvah in that show tens of thousands of shows in the world I had the stories to say that story and that's where this guy grew up not gonna say his name okay you know he said it could tomorrow yes there's a there's another in the nether banana now we're going into it what happened if he said the nazirus the second zero starts tomorrow so wait a minute it has to everything we said even though everything has to rhyme everything has to be in the same style has to be the same style as another so what happened he said he made two separate chores one is I'm not going to eat figs and other ones I'm not gonna eat grapes of course everybody admits that that's a good schwa um by the way somebody said since figs you can't eat them because they they're full of insects almost every time there's an insect in there anyways because it's okay fine I wasn't so aware that the face they said what you sort of want to be a little about the outside probably above so you can take a show on my team Oh you mean you want to be you want to be skin is edible who knows I remember someone's not I see Robert turning through that means you're in trouble you're in trouble because he's whatever show me the big problem with bugs with the figs very big have you ever eaten a fig you can't recognize the bug says Ricky Schumer you see that okay so these guys know huh okay you're going to do it was a joke it was not Mama that you can't make it of course you could I was just saying I was pointing out a thing that it's so hard to fix that's what I was trying to do you know what do you like figs you know I say you don't like figs this is it's one of the shoes I mean if you like figs no I have what you're saying okay you can take one thing look at the microscope and eat it okay of course you could clean it out with a brush toothbrush okay so obviously we're not talking about a case where you said two separate rules one on Grace one and fix listen my boys we're going into a beautiful Sookie here hello so what is the case that's similar to our case in the zeros because he didn't go from figs to grapes he went he said figs I'm not gonna eat figs and he swore he's not getting figs too she was the same thing they give us uh and if you want to compare it they have to be the same so when is this what happened if you say the same exact words it has to be the same and it's going to work oh that's a big cash on ravuna ravuna says today the the decision should be hot today and then you say the Zeus today it doesn't work it only works if you say this is not tomorrow no I'm sticking with my plan we're talking about minus zero starts today and my second zero starts tomorrow so Mila how does it fit with with a sure um he said I'm not gonna eat figs are I even have a picture about his eye because he said first was I'm not gonna eat figs and then he said I'm not gonna eat figs and grapes together together okay so who's the round says yeah right uh no what happened he ate figs as soon as he's figs he's over in the shore no he made a short he's not gonna be fixed so no matter what no matter what this guy's stuck he can't even fix ever he could eat grapes without figs grapes he could eat without figs says the gemara listen to this oh now comes rabo said fine what um so in the beginning we thought timeout in the beginning we thought that the din the halacha is not the same why because it's 30 days plus 30 days figs plus figs now we're saying that we're going by the lotion explains Iran and we're saying that what overlaps the other in other words even though by the zeros you could look at the zeros and say it's 30 days and 30 days it's two separate 30 days and when you're looking at a grape and a fig it's two separate things like 30 and 30. we're saying no the 30 days overlaps and starts when the other one didn't finish yet and over here it's the same thing the Fig together with the grape overlaps the figs the first fig that he did I'm a mela it's similar that's the similarity so what vulnerable it's not listen what happened here you see I put a little sheep in there he ate figs and then he brought a carbon now let me ask you something forget the karma if a person eats figs let's see if where's he also have you left already listen to this Avi what do you say in this case think about this a person needs figs and the next day he eats grapes or whatever he eats figs he let's forget that he eats figs and then he eats grapes how many Coronas does he bring one why one yeah but he made a sword the blue what about the Blue Shield you're not going to believe this in this case he has to bring to karbonnus again he made it through I'm not gonna eat figs he made it sure I'm not gonna eat figs and dates and then he went he ate figs and dates he has to bring two Cabanas because what happened to the first war the first rule he said I'm not gonna eat figs that's it being a carbon because they're fixing grapes she has to bring a carbon on the figs that he said I'm not gonna eat figs and then he also ate grapes together with the figs he has to bring his second carbon is that unbelievable but rabbit says no listen to this not no but rabbit says what if you break up the figs and the grapes with an animal you bring a carbon so when you bring a carbon for the figs I ate figs oops I ate figs I made this one I'm not gonna eat figs I have to bring I have to bring a carbon so he separates and he puts aside a carbon you hear what's going on here Now by him putting a carbon on the side he just broke it up he just separated the figs from The Grapes the fsaic and then he ate fig grapes then he ate grapes says Rubble because he's here so this is a big problem for us why because we're saying that they overlap the figs and the grapes overlap each other foreign so according to us it's like the tail end like the zeros on the last day is high a little bit so the whole thing is calm over here also this is not a problem because rabba is a number okay so he argues on another it's not a mission or anything so they argue fine uh you know what should we stop it let's stop here but boys Chavez I need to ask I need to start this year a little bit later because I'm coming in from your slime going back to I'm Gonna Save the tires like a seven day thing we're doing shopping boxes so I'm coming from your slime maybe um I can say whatever I want but Gary's here Gary what time because after coming from Monticello whatever you say huh [Music] 810 810 wake up sorry eight I'll try for it I'll really try for it