Daf Yomi Moed Katan Daf 20 by R’ Eli Stefansky

she [Music] if [Music] oh [Music] came all the way from israel to do a scene i caught them with my father jack stepner father and there's son like huh really jonathan's classmate right here doing the duff on two devices um i like this email i'll tell you why because the younger light from kylo they don't usually send in emails and when they do it's a big treat want to start off i'm younger man in bmg learning threes during the day he did broncos in shabbos during covet but went back to his regular routine but he always wanted to do the daf he says i am not the most morning type of guy my brain doesn't work till at least after chakras so i figured i would have to listen to the sheer i tried a couple shoe rings it was a fit until i came across of yours it's much easier to learn before shopping especially with all the charts that make everything so clear listen to this right by doing the daf and getting a clark gives me more of a c poke in the rest of my x durham during the day hashtag ishmak to do the daf thank you for all your time and preparation the daf makes a difference in everyone even the regular ingoman and bmg just have one question are you still doing the eight-minute daff not today but tomorrow yeah um he uploaded on his old-fashioned ipad ipod tagged up more than tag itself you guys know what tag is right they do those filters i think we're doing a thing with them they're gonna we're gonna have a phone soon coming out a tyrophone uh this is melchizera he did a number of times a day during the long drives in lakewood traffic wow okay we're gonna have to do it he tried zikru but it's this that okay ellie roberts lakewood ps in regards to my uncle chapsy khan tom mclaughlin sits right over here he even says where he sits comes during the i don't think he comes in the wig but he's on the left front of the basement every monster shop is correct here we have one from you know let me show you this picture real quickly this i forgot who it is i didn't write who it is but this woman got her husband a beautiful gift and this this is the joseph heim fletcher where did he get it from it says over here designer woodcraft where is that england manchester you can get it in manchester i'm laughing you have to get a different color because this one is already taken but nah nice gift this one is from betsal mordechai salmon he writes in the aramair kaz it's a long one but um somebody came over them out of the blue somebody never met and said that he loves his the retire that he writes for the americas and he says there's so many people that are smarter than me better than me they're right and this random person came and gave me chris it's a beautiful thing this might not be the greatest question ever but if we don't take small steps we don't get anywhere because sometimes all people need is something small like a thank you or good morning to show that we are cared for so thank you for this to this man who gave me the motivation to write for our americas i'd also like to give a shout out to hershey freeman he tried to get four friends to come to the deaf hershey did uh in one day he caught up three daf i got a message from akira sulkowitz he was he's in orlando and he fell behind he did stay up to two in the morning catch up on four daf beautiful and one last one here's another salomon i wonder if they're related this is from simcha solomon he says that his eight-year-old his name is abba show and he said look and if you test your name is mentioned ten times he says look the the eight-year-old says but mcgill says twice he asked him what um obeys he says my five-year-old son he goes to his friend and the the parents tell him that his son kept on talking about gemara magilla the daff and his three-year-old says ah to learn the deaf the kids at the homie spock is involved yeah okay i like that schmuck i got the message this month's coil sponsor mr anonymously beautiful the coil of breakfast is sponsored by okay he wants his name 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that very small massage very smack especially in the beginning then we end up a little with too many tahir at the end but we won't tell anybody but and then it's ivamus so ivamus is going to be probably one of the last times that we do that gemara push and it's i don't know we have to see maybe we'll do the second volume third but it's not going to have the same effect we're not going to give out that many gemaras in the middle of your vamos i don't think so think about dedication opportunities if you want to be in the front of yavamas now is the time there's only a few more days until you've almost goes to print um bring your friends join mdy.com yeah i keep on forgetting joindaffiomi.com growthishear.com if you're already in the sharing you bring a friend you want a free gamora the hulu okay the boy's side today is the huff and we are holding a middle of asuyo two four six eight lines down from the bottom aceved so we had a shiloh yesterday if you are somebody dies on yantev when does the slation count do we count from the day he dies 30 days from that day or do we count from after yantev is over because anyways there's no shiva right now during yantev and you have to do shiva again you have to start shivering from the start you want to give that around whoever doesn't want to learn now could look at this picture here libby you're in kylo you you don't need to learn the shiva obviously starts after yantef so the schlossium started after the end we could count some of the days of yantev towards the shiva so towards distillation thank you we had rabbit that says no it doesn't count you have to start 30 full days after yantev is over aceved so you have a cash on rabbit it says mafurish regel oil lemay the yontif does count towards 30 days you can't say like the gemara finished off yesterday perhaps it's talking about the case the ratio that it started the person died before yanteff no obeisances you can't say it was two days before minus he counts the he starts the shiva after um yesterday okay so at the end of the day the person died 10-15 days ago so you're permitted to do malacca for him other people by the visual vision then his slaves the servants they could work for him privately vain rabbi miss asking boy people are not being menachem of him why because the person died on the first day of yantiff there were seven days of yantef where people were menacing him in chill they came over to the house to say i'm giving you knock him in those days at least there's no point of people coming to him again you know i'm a tree of them to do 14 days of of nikola velen one of the guys in kyle told me that they were thinking about whether or not to tell his grandmother that her sister was nifter she's old maybe we're talking about schwarze in a second we're going to get there maybe delay it and say later after 30 days and then she only has to sit shiva for you know a few minutes and show him how he's thrown and then they said you know she's the elderly lady she lives in switzerland tell the islam she barely had anything to do with her sister in america she's not it's not like the biggest sire in the world but now everybody's going to come visit her seven days of visitation so they decided to tell her and they said it was a good idea boy and here it says virego oil the words that rabbit said is regul the yantef doesn't count towards the 30 and over here it says regularly counts towards the 30. to yufta and in fact it's a beautiful question on rabbah end of the story he also robin another allah robin came and said the name of kivarosa that even if you bury the person during yantev the yantev is part of the third vaccine revelation told his son i guess he had some sort of a veilos maybe his wife died philip zachary okay if a person observed a little bit of the shiva meaning he did something like flipping over a bed so the regulars like we didn't get to the we are familiar with that you need to to be all you need to do is a little bit of a veilus before yantef yamim kaido three full days three days before yantev he observed some sort of availables like fias hamita flipping over the bed now islam is in the kuda there's other things relations certain things that are usur but it's not that you're a novel this shows your bivales you're taking action to show availas letting your hair grow for instance is not doesn't show available everybody lets your hair grow taking your bed flipping it over that's available walking to show barefoot that would show availables but over here you have to notice the word kiam he actually took action here because it could have said if a person died three days before yantev and period what's kia mean kia means he did something to show that he's by velos it's not my deal it's the ritual that we're showing him talking about this deal that it seems like from the gemara that you have to take action you can't just say oh the person died three days before yantif yandev comes and cancels out shiva no if you don't take action of avelos then yanta won't cancel the shiva the person would have to start shiva after yanta so eight in circles yantov that if a person doesn't take action he doesn't remove his shoes or flip over his bed today we don't flip bed so at least take off take off the shoes what korea yeah i guess i don't know why it's never brought rashi always says those two things but yeah then you would if you don't do that you don't tear korea you don't flip the bed you don't take off your shoes you would have to start available afterwards says this is what we do today just one moment if a person doesn't have veils does it have to be three days before yantef viantev happens all the time unfortunately somebody avail make sure you sit down on the floor whatever you do whatever shows decree the whole thing and that's it jantiv comes erases it for the most part there are some let's say you know the uh there is a little bit of availables in there but for the most part doesn't that's the russian development or whatever it is but comes the author of erases everybody's still what you're saying now this discussion that we're talking about is actually your older machine is no we have to observe three days and the three days what's three days the icker of the availas you have to show serious available three days we see a librarian and we always passing like and he says on the side over here obvious it's the same thing we're going to see in a second that's argues it's like our mishnah do you need three days says the prance and now you see that little gimbal over there that shows that the passing is like the next words even one moment of availables that's it comes yantif afterwards cancels out the shiva and if it's if you did one day of slashing that we already said yadav comes and cancels out how do you know the concept of availos that is seven days i'm gonna flip your yantev to avelo foreign yeah just like yontev is seven days pesach success seven days seven days so we have a seven day yantev so two available seven days it's very interesting if you ever notice that marriage and availables are parallel to each other the seven days of shara brachas there's 30 days that a hussein has stacked a certain way and there's shauna roshana and then of course this yard site this is jokes well how do you how do you know what to compare it to do you do the seven days of chevy brackets like [Music] availas or what's the other what else is seven days i don't know okay what's up might say whatever okay you're sticking your and things what are you getting cabala now okay fine trio debris is seven days okay so the bria and the the lack of debris okay one of the uh reasons that when you go to the base of abba we don't say burracom or vidue is because of this idea of veilos we learn it from and there's no burakum and hag is no video hack it's one of the reasons that they give all right zogtigimoro i was going to say a story here but we don't have time for stories it's uh it's purim it's uh no time for this [Music] there's three i'm typing who told you to pick pesach maybe compare it to schwarz and schwarz is only one day so mela available should only be one day says is like this there's two young typhoons there's the end up of seven days there's the end of one day and we're gonna learn from both we're gonna learn that available typically is seven days but there's another type of availas this is a an availas that you only heard after the gemara is going to explain after 30 days somebody hears his parents one of his parents died but it was 30 days ago 31 days ago she goes and he sits shiva it's not shiva one moment and that's it how do you know that halacha you know from yantev because it says that evil should be like a like a hag and there is a khak that's one day but there's another type of available a regular available craiva a regular that you know you heard right away so that you you do seven days like circus series one day so we learned two allah from this one apostle it's not really to allah whatever some young tavern like this something like that so melody goes both ways if a person hears a normal shmuel crava means that his parents or somebody died within the seven days we're going to see a person observe shiva ulceration regulation however if he heard it at a distance far away from when it actually happened you only sit one day a z croiba basirahika and this you see the fasteners like this that what creva be socializing creva means within 30. i might have said within seven mistake within 30. obviously because means after slashing and anything other than rakhine is karav so it's evo and this is how we're going to pass it like whatever i don't know usually it's furo but i don't know it's a detail arguing they say it doesn't matter imagine if a guy was in the war let's say yeah like 10 years after world war ii somebody says i witness you your father dying there does he sit shiva does he sit one day what does he do so according going to go the cooler as we had yesterday more pascans that when it comes to vegas we always go like the makeup we're talking about again you know until people came and went no phones everything was small he heard that his father died two months ago for him don't worry about it one day only in that seven days on heard about his mother harry so when we talk about the seven craving i have the pasta here soon father mother wife son daughter brother sister this shmur khaika he says is only talking about these five but the father and mother that's a whole different story shiva's listening doesn't matter when you hear about it person has to sit shiva and slay shame oh my lay so it's a cash on rabbi rubber and who was it right before it said that you only have to sit one day that's another sheet though we don't know like that we go like akiva there's no difference between a father mother sister's wife only one day so this is a big controversy this the famous alicia benavuya that went off to derek the famous illusion of perhaps it's not him they're saying that it's not really him even if we're curious because somewhere it has the same exact matter and the name is flipped but even if regardless is like this it's a different generation us it would be interesting that he that we bring a lot from him because okay finally he was talking then obviously he's saddening and everything at that point but that would mention him like that i don't know but whoever it is a father and a mother you have to do shiva oh so pay attention to this word who who's the story about the son of achio and the second we're going to ask a question from here's a story about rebbi akiya which was of allah on a sun he sat shiva even though he heard about it very very many days after the tear more than 30. sinatra has a contradiction about rebirth and he so it's very interesting you find this a lot that many times when you're about to embark on a numiserta the previous seth throws in like a bone like a teaser a teaser very good a teaser to the newest after we had it ready before you don't really find sugis of ivames in tightness or whatever i think over here you notice it sometimes all the way they give you a little bit of a teaser oh correct it's not the next step fine it's still close enough it's 38 days from now okay fine but we already had to show you the other day here it goes again when it comes to vomit it's gonna be much better trust me much but it's gonna be digital we're going on screens huh it's relevant for those of you who who doesn't in this room okay the whole thing is not just magazines what we have here is a very simple case of rubikia had a brother and a sister a half brother and a half sister houses a half because rebria's father was once married to another woman and they had a child together called and his half-brother and a half-sister he also had a sister from another ma that his mother was married to another man and they had a kid and that was rob's mother and this was ralph's father it's a very interesting case the rupiah's father rebria's brother and sister half-brother and half-sister were rav's father and mother simple case is just very very interesting the rav's father and mother were both a brother and sister too they weren't related that's the point obviously if they were related he would be a momser and he wouldn't be rav rav was the god outdoor they're not related but it's just very interesting he was the son of the brother rebecchio dubara jose de review who's also rav was the son of the sister rebecca he saw the awesome rep when rav what rupiah was his uncle yes if he was rav's uncle twice from two different ways he saw blossom when rav we know that rav made it territorial rav was the goddard in bubble but he went there to strong he saw the glossary asked him oh nephew what's going on how is my brother doing omar abba kayam ivoi is iva alive i guess he had reason to believe he wasn't alive it was later on in his life ra was already older ivan must have been older turning base what did rav answer he didn't say yes he says what about my mother is she alive so instead of answering a jewish kind of way of answering ask him a question ask him back a question is my mother alive he says is she alive it's my sister she alive oh my abba kayum is my father alive so what happened there there's a problem mighty dibo huxil if a person gives bad news tell anybody anything so-and-so died yorksil do not tell people about other people dying today it's you know right away with the what's happened to this you know in 10 seconds who died with this though they not to i saw actually they asked your abuser sometimes unfelt is it okay to put in the newspaper he said yeah whatever that's the thing and then it's mirror people but don't be the one why should you be the one knocking the door so excited it's the most exciting thing all right all right so i got killed in a car crash ah let me tell the people it's it's exile yorkshire so when he asked ralph he didn't want to tell him to the point that they say that if you know somebody that died you don't tell the sun you don't tell the sun not only do you not tell the sun invite him to a wedding you mother he doesn't know about it invite him to your wedding shik says but a son is different we went through this just repeating sheik says that a son because he says kaddish so it's a tremendous allele in the shaman you're taking away from this shaman and someone needs it to get into certain places tell the son but some say okay but that's one son doesn't mean you have to tell every son let him find that on his own i'm assuming people will be very upset if they didn't find out and they didn't go to the levia and they didn't say goodbye and they didn't hear the death pay them that's not what the gemara says they say they're usually rude and he was in yeshiva and his father i think was nifter they didn't tell him they told him after slashing in order that should be then he just sits a little bit of shiva and in bitter torah why should he why should he sit seven days in bitter they actually talk about this whole bit of tyra thing it's a terrible thing military the neshama has a lot more i know that this kid is learning and doing well in yeshiva and his stories upon stories like that of them not telling and yet but this is the thing it's not knowing today this is a beautiful room it didn't live so long ago a story what 80 years ago not so long ago fine we just turned to the huffman base sponsored by martial horn and woody wyman in schools of morty moscow expansion in honor of ellie wishing masloff and all his endeavors both in gasoline and rookiness what would you say yeah yeah exactly is let's do two things here first of all i'll take off my shoes so i'm gonna be a novel but i wanna show everybody that this surveillance is only for a few minutes we're going straight to the mikvah we're going straight to the bathhouse i'm gonna bathe myself not like a novel let me be a novel for two minutes so he's showing all these unlockers and one shot says the gemara shimanotlas you learn from what he did here and he did it on purpose he didn't need a bath he didn't need a shower then he took one five minutes ago he wanted to show now i'm gonna take off my shoes and i'm gonna take a bath right away people are gonna learn from this old one but a good one a of all cannot wear shoes okay so we see this in the footage took off his shoes usher it's not like a growth thing that on yom kippur the grunick's don't wear shoes and everybody else does wear no awful doesn't wear shoes and you see from here this idea that he heard that his brother and sister were they're obviously a long long time ago you only have to do a velos for one moment yo means one moment it's one day slash only for a few minutes i could take a shower right away so what's the question you see from here that here only observed a few minutes if that he took off his shoes took a shower and a second ago he said that when his son died he observed seven days insulation what's going on here says the gemara it's not the same person and that's the end of the story it's the best by the way that says not to tell anybody and uh all that it's it's it's says not to tell people i want to see somebody stark enough not to not to say anything not don't say a word don't say oh maybe i guess you have to do each each case you have to know who the person is some people get really insulted that they didn't tell them and they couldn't be by the parents leviah they're going to find that the next day so like you know but if a person is like learning well in some ishiva place where i don't want to say the name out of the country somewhere and he has no no connection to anything there's no phones nothing maybe um so here this i just i didn't have patience to write in 25 days so 1 to 25 is right here on this line they have 26 27 28 29 30. this is day 30 from the time that the person died or nick or whatever here's pesach from here to here and this guy heard about the tira he heard in the middle of pesach borrego crava means it's within 30. so you heard on day 29 great but because it's in the middle of yantev he can't take off his shoes he can't do korea he can't flip his bed he can't do anything so he observed zero no no no availas at all jantav is over right over here here's day 31 what does he do does he start a whole new availas or is it considered that he heard it after 30 or is it considered that he heard during 30. if he if he could observe davails he could take off his shoes for one moment okay so you heard it during 30. but since he can't do anything so what if he heard it physically on day 29 maybe he's counted as if he heard it on day 31 and on day 31 it's a different story says the gemara [Music] shot mushroom walker every regular i'm sorry regular oil so it's as if he heard it right over here he it's not as if he heard it during the distillation and if you heard the installation you'd have to do seven days of shiva euler like we count the regular as if it's a part of the days of the shmur rehaika now we have ishmael it means it's interesting we don't we don't consider that he heard it on day 29. we consider that here on day 31. these are all days that he didn't hear it if he didn't hear it and he only heard on day 31 what's that you only you only do one day of awalis which means a few minutes says he tear his garments or not when he hears ashmore a person finds out three years later his father was nifter rip or not rip what i skipped sorry tell everybody what if it was on chavez and chavez he can't do korea can't do anything you can't can it can't act like a novel well i'm sorry and on sunday it's already day 31 same thing in korea what does it will say what's that much according to me he didn't have available seven days why because he heard it three years later no avails and korea goes together with seven days of avelos they're hand in hand hello the diamonds correa how does it how does it work how do you do kriya without having shiva you need shiva it seems like to do kriya she says i'll bring you right that you could do korea without shiva tanya either the is of zero or the brother of their they said in front of khan made their rebels they're one of them either the brother brother or the father sent him from the ribs there michelle a person borrowed a jacket he doesn't know he's that poor he borrowed somebody's jacket and then he finds out that he has an avedos so any and he can't do creole it's not his the rip venice diamond lawyer and then he got a jacket his own so it depends beside shiva correa if it's within shiva he rips he tears in korea only ribs there best way behind me says let me let me explain to you that's only mitzvoth on the other five available fine but a father and mother you rip even afterwards even though there's no shiver at all so you see i have a case that you tear you do kriya when there's no shiva says i know it bothered me no you're saying that there was shiva there was shiva yeah i know you see now like that i know i it bothered me for a while fine says the gemara but what happened was that the reason why he did kriya is not because of of the kriya but it's just to honor them in other words like this shriya always depends on shiva if there's no shiva there's no kriya so mamela if there's a shmur if you hear uh that somebody died one of the avail one of the craven died and it's and you don't sit shiva you don't do kriya the exception to the rule is a father and mother you do kriya but not because of the halal of kriya but because to show respect the father and mother torah banana colombia passages [Music] of the muslim so here's the position it's very important here impossible if it says it's just the in the middle of the past to touch a body a corpse becomes tummy but then the puzzle says but he has a mitzvah to take care of his family and his craving oh it's yellow means yellow okay the yellow didn't work over here tried it it didn't look so good on the screen either but yesterday it did work oh that because the whole box was yellow and i got it okay if you if it's stationary here in the acquire veil of the gamora's gonna say that means what is the wife limbai is number two love number three livenai number four libita in yellow that you don't see number five number six and then we have a gimbal absolutely that wasn't with a with uh with a man fine so those seven vey the way of him this is the same what the taurus says that a question take care of but those are the ones that we said shiva for and and the whole thing is they added to the to the list a brother or sister from his mother's side because mri says only it says from the father and a married sister they added bayma aviv but a married sister a boy is only the rabbi okay means one generation away so all that available that we have let's say a son so son son so that would mean a grandson let's say that available is not a father the father's father so you're misable on a grandfather let's say a sister a sister's son so you take it down one generation that's shneem not nephews uh yeah that's a nephew that is an episode yeah nephews descendants upwards downwards that's it say well we're going to see in a second say if your relative does have a loss then you have to do availables with them says that's exactly what requires says if your sister is by bayless why because her son died the nephew died so it's the same exact thing no says rebecca says that there's a real dinner it's make-believe haha if you're in front of your sister and she's sitting shiva on her son so you have to pretend that you're available on your nephew we don't really sit shiva you don't really do available says no it's for real he's your nephew sitcheva so it happens to be that we know today we don't do availables like that we don't we're not misable on craven although is like you should be misable on kroy so why don't we do it because they have the right to be mavatar because it's make-believe it's not like rebecca that it's a serious available it's we're trying to do covet for the sister she she sisters are michael they're not going to schlep their brothers and the whole family into that veils thing bray you have to act by veils in front of your wife but not in front of her you see this idea that in front of her whether it's in the house or whatever it means you have to act by violence the schwer is nifter a person has to act by veilos in front of his wife what grandchildren yeah hers they take it's an interesting way of saying that his brother-in-law died this the son of the father-in-law died allah what are you trying to do you're trying to get a free meal you're trying to eat the food in the shiva house only on a father-in-law and a mother-in-law so it's very interesting they bring this line as it is such a thing as a person should act available on a father-in-law remember these words he has to flip over his bed a man whose father-in-law died he flips over his bed he acts by veils hers her availos but he acts with her he treats it he's koi femitas he has to flip his own bed to act with her his father-in-law died he flips his bed he acts about she of course is bavailos but even him that is he's not so related to him it's his wife's father he acts by available and the same thing if her father-in-law dies she should not put on makeup hello for me to saw she flips over her bed without imaya velos now we have a stero says if his father-in-law died they said she could mix the wine and add the water to it um make your bed do the daff it's that simple she makes the bed for her husband but what does it say she makes the bed for her husband what what position is the husband's bed upside down or right side up how do you make a bed if it's upside down a second ago he said kaifa mita flips it over it says she makes your bed um very interesting that in those days it was a the gemara always tells us it's a sign of hiba affection she she washes his face the hands feet kashinath there's a difference between a father-in-law and mother-in-law that you he acts by veilos and other crave him that he doesn't actually avail she makes his best have a wonderful day a wonderful you