Daf Yomi Menachos Daf 95 by R' Eli Stefansky

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But every single day by Michelle 2 in the morning 10:00 in the morning here in America today. Eight time Weinberg. Leading the room our father's fourth year having a Leo MDY art month Jonathan Brock Esther May. Before say yellow Daniel Zev Ben Esther. No I said like I said it like that because well I know Jonathan Brock very well. And I know Mordecai and Esther very very well and they should have a complete before say my. We're holding top of Saturday morning the first word. That we did well this but it's my night I have to say that we got the things that we're supposed to win and fall too much behind. See after the smile. And we're discussing a very interesting to me it was super interesting that whether or not the left him upon him was shaped as a square or like a speedboat. It's row cadets speedboat. We had a few. These Iranian speedboats these fast boats. Doesn't look like that or not. So this is what it's supposed to look like something like that. Says the I have a question. If you tell me you say that it looks like a speedboat so how does it fit into these words? So just to repeat this video why not? It was three forms. One was as you're making the dough. One was putting in the oven. That one is what the referring to the verse. >> [snorts] >> It's like a honeycomb. This is all that the form is in the inside. We're going with the rash. So the if you take this as the form from the oven or look at this this is very difficult. I don't know how they did it. But I'm very impressed that they were able to manipulate AI to do a form like that in the shape of a boat. I'm sure it wasn't easy. But it says before that this this form was like a basket like a verse or a honeycomb I think. In other words it had a bunch of holes like a honeycomb. But unlike a honeycomb which is round it was square. How is he going to get out of this one? It says it was square not not like a boat. So the top was square whatever that means exactly maybe they put a form inside that was square maybe the the outside was square towards the top. But the the bottom was was like a boat. Thank you but I have a right the opposite way. It seems like it was actually a speedboat. The bus station in Russia. We discussed these the walls that go up to the top of the called the fan. They were split on the top and they looked like like the corner. Almost like a branches. So you all she did something you know obviously it didn't look like this but you know he asked me if he should throw it away. I said no. Maybe I'll give somebody some sort of idea. Look like some sort of flower. If you look at it from the side it looks a little interesting. Comes out from you know. You can call me. That they would rest the bread on it. But the point of this whole thing is row cadets that the breads were similar to the shape of row cadets a speedboat. Okay. Now we have a bit of a sugar. Completely different topic. It's not even the whole almond. But a very very interesting question. Let me show you this video. >> [cough and clears throat] >> Phenomenal video. We're talking about the the are 12 breads that are on the table the fan. And every you replace them with the new breads and they get to eat the old breads that sat in the fan for a full week. Smoke him out of them. We would show the show that they were nice and fresh was one of the the the one of the Nissan. I want to show you this video. It's beautiful video. But also the question is based on this video in other words when travels through the desert travel 40 years. When they're traveling is it how do we view the bread? The bread just traveled. The bread was surrounded by a mission. The mission like a a portable mission. You see on the screen here. The center. Those walls. That's the mission. Now the bread is inside the Mishkan. Now, we pick up the walls. We fold everything. We move. 1 mile that way. The bread just now moved. If If this was the Mishkan right now, and I took the bread out of those walls to the to the to the tents. It's outside. It came out. I didn't take the bread out. I'm traveling. I'm doing my my job. I'm a Levite. I pick up the Shulchan with the three of my friends. We're still moving. Where did you move? You moved outside the designated area of the Mishkan, which was here for a month or so, and you just started moving. Now, you moved it outside of that area. Is it outside or not outside? On the one hand, it's on the Shulchan. The bread is still on the Shulchan. So, maybe the Shulchan has a kosher or not. So, that's the discussion today. So, before we have the discussion, let's just see this beautiful video. You have like uh Those are the sniffing according to that man over there. Cover the bread. This is very important. We'll use this picture later. Breaking down of the walls of the Mishkan. >> [cheering] >> How would you picture that cloud? A cloud. A pillar of fire would lead them in the night. And here's the bread. Is that kosher or not? That's the question. Did I just remove the bread from the Mishkan? The bread upon him does it become possible by traveling? Outside? Or it ain't no good by traveling? It doesn't become possible by traveling. Why? Because the bread is on the Shulchan. >> [snorts] >> And it's not possible. Now, since I'm traveling today, I'd like to share with you maybe some of you will have uh some understanding of what I'm referring to. The Rabbi asks that that when he traveled, he tells the world what's the question? The bread and clothes to wear. Clothes to wear. Please give me bread to eat and garments to wear. So, as the Rabbi asks, of course, what else are you going to do with bread? Same smart vibe from my brother David. >> [clears throat] >> The what? Someone in a nursing home, they can't wear their clothes. >> [clears throat] >> They can't eat food, you know. They should have bread that they can eat. They have clothes that they can wear. Okay. Yeah. That's very nice. Like it. You should have clothes they could wear. Especially us after the holiday, we need clothes that we can wear. >> [laughter] >> A lot of us don't have clothes to wear. More than a shot. You should have food that we could eat. We should have teeth that we can chew on. Beautiful. I like it. Yeah. Well, you you had an issue. >> [clears throat] >> You didn't get from the park. That's the problem. No, cuz yeah, cuz people are watching you and they know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, fine. I had boys at the park. You even have here. This is edible master. Boys at edible master. Very strong master. So, you all say you see mom is >> [clears throat] >> So, says the Rabbi here. I I just related to this for today. He says you know when you go on a trip, I don't know about you guys. My wife starts packing up the sandwiches and the food as if we're going for 4 or 5 years. These bags. She's schlepping through the airport. I'm like, "What are you doing with all these bags?" "We need to eat on the plane." It's okay. Like one sandwich, one chocolate. I get it. 14 sandwiches? "And what if we get stuck for 6 months? And what if this? What if that?" Okay, fine. Meanwhile, she's schlepping and of course, there's no wheels. It's not cool to go with wheels. You got to You got to go with the designer or whatever. No, she doesn't. I just never understood these people. They're walking through the airport with the schlepping 40 lbs. I was like, "But they look cool." Just get the wheels. Who cares? It says in Amazon but it has wheels. >> [cough and clears throat] >> So, says the Rabbi here, "I'm not asking I'm not asking for It's a great vibe. It doesn't fit in as well as the Rabbi here. I'm not asking for extra food. I'm asking for bread and clothes. Today, right now, I need some bread. It's interesting cuz it fits into the end end of the story. We have a great story about the and he didn't have bread to eat. He was starving. He's about to die. I need I need clothing now. How many How many of us here have four five coats, winter coats? I don't need all types. One coat One bag. That's it. Just one. I don't need the extras. Okay. Now, let me find my wife. We can go later. No, I don't spare the emails, the whole thing. It was just not even my wife. It's your wife. It's everybody's wife. It's the whole Okay. A woman is born with that instinct. She needs to protect her family. She needs to have exactly What if the kid doesn't want the sandwich? She needs that sandwich. Whatever. But it happens to be that my my my wife's family, they're they're foodies. They're very into food. And as soon as she told me it's like when they would leave the driveway of their home on the trip, they would already be pulling out the sandwiches and make all food in the car. By us, my kids make fun of me that when we went on ski trips, I don't want to tell you what I used to feed them. Like Here's your soup. The the hot soup. And this is what he's thinking. Later on, I I I I bought the I used to go buy uh I'd buy like the toaster oven and then and then and make them pizza cuz they only ate pizza. But Yeah, they [snorts] have a big tightness now. Like what kind of Oh, no. So, they said, "No. The food at night was good. But during the day, you didn't give us any food. All the guys were eating, you know, they were went to ski school and they were eating burgers [clears throat] and we had to sit there. One chocolate bar you gave us." So, I said, "What's wrong? I didn't have the chocolate bar. You had it. You had more than me." Okay, bye there. Talk to you tomorrow. Oh. >> [clears throat] >> So, we have a One says it becomes possible by moving the the bread even though it's inside the Shulchan. It's not possible. It's in the Shulchan. It's not possible. I want to give up I want to tell you the end of the whole the whole story here. The end of the story is there is no Okay. No like this. If it's on the table, it's not possible. If it's off the table, possible. That's the whole story. How do we get there? How does the know this? So, the is going to have to prove it step by step. It says as you are parked, that's how you travel. In other words, obviously when you park and you take the bread outside of the Mishkan, that's outside. And then it's outside. So, too, when you're traveling, look. As soon as you traveled, you're outside of the Mishkan. The Mishkan was right over here. You just moved out of there. So, now it's outside. The other man holds the bread all over here. This is tremendous that the is going to say this is too strong. It's not like a a flimsy This is so strong this you can't get out of this. The what? It says the bread all over here. The kosher is going to remain on this bread all the time. Bread all over here. All over here. The kosher is going to stay. He says, "No, we're going to do the classic. What is he going to do with his What is he going to do with his What?" He says that it doesn't become possible So, it seems like traveling is like parking. And when you're parked, you can't take it out. So, when you travel, you can't you you can't take it out. And he just took it out. Should be possible. He says, "No, no, you don't understand. It's the opposite. It's the right to me." When you park and you don't take it out of the Shulchan, it's good. It's good. So, so too, when you travel, you didn't take the bread out of the Shulchan. It's still in the Shulchan. It should not become possible. He says the man says it's possible. Now, I'm going to say the bread all over here. Oops. Checkmate. What are we going to do? It says that the the bread is going to have the kosher. It's not It's not going to be possible. It's bread all over here. You know, we always say the yes. As is. The kosher remains kosher. Says the Rabbi here. So, we're starting to get to where we need to get. The what? Says the Rabbi here, everybody agrees that if it's on the table, there's no It remains kosher. I don't care how far you take it away from the original of the of the Mishkan. Take it 25 miles away from the original spot. It's still kosher. Why? Cuz it's in the it's on the table. It's on the shoulder. I look you believe you give him a soul up. What does this mean? Just as shot you can put it in write it in your Gamara. Masula means First of all, it means it's off the table, but better than that it means that you took it off the table because it's Shabbos. It became Shabbos. And every Shabbos from Shabbos night you take it off the table. Now we have a question in development here. You took the bread out to eat. You're going to give it to you. All of a sudden the world comes and says, "Let's go. Everybody let's go. We're going." Drop your sandwich. So now what? It's off the table and I shall say to move. Do we consider it or not say? That's my but if it's on the table, it's 100% okay. It's not possible. And what's the law? Same thing like we had before twice that the parking is like the travel. And when you travel, if you take it out of the of the of the Mishkan it's possible. I want to see also you saw two over here since it came out of the world might it's possible. You hear this? I don't care whatever the world might is even if it's traveling it's considered a world might. But now this is interesting because now we expanded it. All of a sudden now as you're traveling, we're this could be a good muscle for goals. We're in goals, there's an expansion of of the Dusha. The excuse me. >> [cough] [clears throat] >> Maybe it's not a good shot so that's why I'm coughing. >> [clears throat and cough] >> That the is like the world might before was it was restricted to the world might. Now it expands to the whole world. Yeah. All blue here before very nice. Before is only where it says red. Now it's to the entire blue. As we're traveling the whole blue and we travel as we're going to see in a second we travel in a certain formation. And that formation of blue is the the Dusha of the world might. The it doesn't say. It says that it travels and it remains a world might. >> [clears throat and cough] >> Ask the Gamara. What's he going to do? If he already learns that as you're traveling is Dusha No, sorry. Not that. It should be it should be possible with Yitzer. Can she can you so and he went out? They went out of the world might so it should be possible. No, like you said before the opposite. It's like parking. When you're parked and you don't move it, it's not possible. You didn't come out of the you're still within the blue square. If you're in the within the blue square, it's not possible. The mice it says that the the world might traveled. It says the Gamara in other words it remains a world might and there's not no taking out of the world might. I hold the it's not saying that it remains big Dusha. It's coming to tell you that there's a certain way that the the the went. Yeah, we can still show this one. There's there was a each each had its flag. And they had a the three men of time for they traveled in a certain way. These these three started going then these you know it was a certain formation and that's what the Torah is saying. They have to they have to travel in a certain way. So you know how is the other man going to know this idea of of the if he uses up the already that there's still when they travel. He doesn't have a good possible. It's telling us that there's when you travel not that you have to travel with a a formation. So the Gamara no you're right. There's two parts of the we teaches us that they they travel in a certain No. And there's there's flags that there's a formation of. Okay. So in other words there's two parts of the we can learn these two laws. I have a question. So that was uh where did the Mark put that picture? Thank you Mark somewhere. Oh here. This. Yeah. This picture is uh just a shot from the video, but you see how they're breaking down the walls of the entire Mishkan. So by breaking down the walls, what happens? The moment you break down the wall there's no more Mishkan. No more Mishkan then what happens to all the ones that are inside? No more Mishkan, what happens to the a does he have to start moving as well? So it says the soul. So let's remember these words because we're going to talk about it like in 10 12 lines from now. That let's say I'm a carbon and I shall say take down the walls. I take down the walls. Now the all of a sudden is exposed to it's in the middle of the desert. He's not in a Mishkan. So he's he's now he's now possible because he went outside of the Mishkan. >> [cough] >> They must leave. Typically speaking uh has to go completely outside. Oh yeah, just okay. But typically speaking uh goes outside of all the he's on the he's on the desert floor he's on the where the where it's uh uh sand and uh a has to leave the blue. He go to the green. So In other words the the the and you still still have so they have to leave there. The the from the leaves, but the of the and you still stays remains. And you have to get out of there. If you're a you can't be in there. Didn't have they wouldn't have to leave. I says that what happens to where the is? The the Mishkan. What happens to that? It says that if you have a carbon in there, it becomes possible. Why? Because there's no more there's no more no. No. So then the should do the same thing. Should have the on him. If it happens to a carbon and that their expires because they're not inside of so the also the should expire. It should be possible. Is that a lie? Let me upon him. No all the you're right, but not the doesn't become possible. As the Gamara doesn't make any sense what you say. One of them. If the is considered a world might, I feel the on me so then even a that stays there should remain college. Should become possible. You love that girl and if it's not considered a world might, I feel the on me then the should become possible. So the Gamara says at the end of the day, you know what? I give in. There is no tomorrow we like there's no in other words. The [clears throat] one that said that the remains on the was talking about a a different case. He's talking about a case that the was on the table. When the is on the table, there's no Oh, look at that. Let me see your Gamara your MDY Gamara for a second. Actually one of this picture. This year. >> [clears throat] >> Color pictures in the MDY Gamara. Should have brought one of these to your friend. To show him. Such a sponsor. I don't know who this one is. [snorts] So the Gamara I don't know if you want to see about this. So the Gamara >> [cough and clears throat] >> imagine it's like if it said the Romanian edition. >> [laughter] >> They have pictures of hot dogs. >> [snorts] >> I got to get rid of this beard I think. I don't know how people do it. Let me get ahead. Yeah. Friday. I don't know about after maybe I don't know. But this Friday if you're only you can. Oh. On the beard. Give me all these ideas how to make sure that it doesn't >> [snorts] >> Okay. So the Gamara >> [cough and clears throat] >> Give me all this advice. Were you up the whole night, Mark? What's going on here? Says you can borrow all. And in other words, the man that says the bread is possible cuz it's off off the table. Somebody removed it to eat. So it became possible. But if it's on the table, it's no longer possible. That's the bottom line of the Sugya. On the table, the bread will remain there even if you remove it from the Mishkan and go 100 miles away from where it was before, it remains Kadosh. If it's off the table and you remove the Mishkan, it becomes possible. Finished. I'm right about you. Did Klal Yisrael travel during the night? Of course they have a right to travel during the night. Why? That I I could start. I I not travel. That Hashem says, "Let's go." You go even if it's 3:00 in the morning. You go. You don't have to wait till Does Hashem have to say, "Listen, Hashem woke you up 3:00 in the morning and said we have to travel." You say, "Okay, very good, but I need to wait. I need a you know, I need to sleep. I'll wait till the morning and then we'll go in the morning." From here you see you go right away. Why? This is all good. Because if you don't travel during the night, So when when are they supposed to go? When are they going to break things down? When are they going to do this? This Paroches breakage. The walls. When are they going to break it down? In the morning? So now if we go back, I told you to remember, go back 10 lines up. It says that when when they broke down the walls of the Paroches, automatically Korban becomes Yotzei. The Korban becomes possible. So as Abaye, I don't understand something. If you must wait until the morning, when did you slaughter this animal? Yesterday? So he just became possible cuz it's morning. Forget about the fact that the animal left the Beis Hamikdash. It's morning and morning is called what? Lino. Forget about Yotzei. It's Lino. Here, let me show you the picture. There's two different things right by you. Where are they if I can find them? Oh, here. Lino is sleeping overnight, not the Kohanim, but the the Korban. And Yotzei is bring the breads out. So it says, "Why are you telling me that a a Chatas that gets stuck in limbo over there, in the Mishkan when you break down the Mishkan, the Chatas is stuck there. Oh, it's Yotzei. It's not Yotzei. It's Lino. It was there overnight. Why? Because the only time you can break down the Mishkan is morning. So when you break down the Mishkan, by the time you break it down, you have a Chatas that was slaughtered before. So Tosafos says, "Who says maybe it's just Maybe it happened in the middle of the day. Maybe Okay, fine. Different Kashes that they have over here." >> [cough and clears throat] >> Hold on a minute. But that's his right. My year you know. So you might not understand something. Pshita. Everybody knows that they travel during the day. Lo Yizaharu Balayla Xiv. Go day and night. By the same token be a moment. When do you go during the night? If you started in the day. I'll give you a Mashal. It's not the best Mashal, but that's the only one I could think of. I just thought this morning of a Mashal that was looking I don't remember what it was. >> [clears throat] >> What was it? Ugh. It slipped my mind. I had a Shmak a Mashal that was Mageia to Pesach. Okay. I thought about it for a second and it flew out. Great. So my Mashal that I want to say right now is that a person that's on a cruise ship, I think the Halacha is maybe depending on the day you get on. If he's on for a few days, he can remain on the cruise ship on Shabbos. Something like that. I'm not asking Halachas. I think that's what they say. But to get on the cruise ship on Shabbos, that's a problem. Over here also. It says in the Torah you go day and night. Yeah, if you started out in the right time, you went in the day, then you go Oh, that's what I want to say. Hold on. I know what the Mashal was. The Mashal was cuz I I was looking for it on Pesach. Where there's a marketplace today that everybody The more you sell there, my Shver said, "The more you sell, the more people come to buy." Right? Remember the Gemara? I was saying and I was saying, "Oh, it's like diamonds Diamond District in in Machaneh Yehudah." But I had a better one and I forgot what it was. Huh? Hold on. Is it eBay? Not eBay. I forgot my Mashal. Okay. So the second part maybe will come to me. Something that we do today that because there's more people doing it at that place, so it brings more business and more people go there to do it. Okay. I don't know why it hit me this morning, but that's what I was thinking. But But this is my interesting Mashal that you go to So over here also you start in the right time. You start in the day, it extends to the night. But it doesn't mean that you can start the trip at night. By the same token be a moment. You start in the day. But then you say Maybe you can. So that's why Abaye comes and says, "Look, I proved it for you that you can start during the night. You you can start in the beginning of the night." R' Meini. So he said, "What did we say before?" Also like 12, 13 lines 14 lines from where we are. We said that a Zav and a Metzora are thrown out of the Machaneh because the Kedusha of the Machaneh Levi'im and Yisrael remained. So you got to get them out of there. As soon as we start moving, get them out so they don't get trapped in a place that they shouldn't be. As the Gemara R' Meini two lines from the bottom, when you break down the Mishkan, as so, Who threw a Zav and a Metzora out of the Kodesh Hakodashim? They're permitted to go in even into the Holies of the Holy over there. Even to the Machaneh They could go in. So certainly they're going to the Machaneh Levi'im or Machaneh Yisrael. Why are you telling me they have to chase out the Zav and the Metzora? R' Elazar R' Meini R' Elazar is going to see on Bais in a second. He holds it's Mutar for the Metzora to go in there. And R' Meini says it's also permitted. >> [clears throat and cough] >> The Sanya. The Sanya came on Bais. >> [snorts] >> So the Halacha is that T'mei Meisim, if you have a bunch of T'mei Meisim in Klal Yisrael, 51% of Klal Yisrael is T'mei Meisim, they're allowed to go into the Beis Hamikdash to do Korbanos. Why? Is that? Tumah Hutrah Betzibur. So what if when Tumah Hutrah Betzibur, a Metzora who doesn't have a Heter He's talking about it's a different type of Tumah. The only Tumah Hutrah Betzibur is only for a dead person, for a Meis, not for a Metzora. He decides he's going to push himself in with everybody else and go to the Beis Hamikdash. >> [clears throat] >> Is he Chayav Kares like he typically would or not? It says over here, "How about the Tumah? You have a Korban Pesach. That's Tumah Hutrah Betzibur." Yochai Yochai, I think that he's Chayav Kares for pushing himself in. The Shosheis T'mei Meisim Mishtachin. Zav and Metzora Mishtachin. If you send a regular T'mei Meis out of there, >> [clears throat] >> something got stuck in my throat. That's sick. Hashem Yishmor. >> [cough] >> Sorry. If the Metzora If the T'mei Meis has to leave, so the Metzora has to leave. It doesn't literally mean leave. A Metzora always has to leave the Beis Hamikdash. There's no exception to the rule. It just means if the T'mei Meis doesn't have to leave, this Metzora doesn't get Kares. That's what it means. You don't have to send him away. He doesn't get Kares. In other words, we we treat him lighter. Now, since we see that we treat a Metzora lighter on Pesach, the what? If there's a situation where you let people that just came from a funeral that means the Beis Hamikdash. Why? Cuz the 51% of Klal Yisrael, they all just went to R' Ovadia Yosef's funeral. I I'm just saying cuz I was there and they they said there was about a million people there. All Klal Yisrael goes to goes to the funeral. So they're all Tamei. They all went within four hours of the Tamei. You let them go into the Beis Hamikdash. So now you're being more lenient with the Metzora. You say, "Listen, he goes to the Beis Hamikdash, we're not going to give him Kares. We're not going to drive him crazy." So you see that we treat him with leniency. So too, when we knock down the Paroches with the Mishkan and we say that a T'mei Meis can go inside the Machaneh We're going to be lenient with the Metzora. That's why it's goes according to R' Elazar. This R' Elazar that says that we're lenient with him. We're lenient with him also when it comes to the breaking down of the Mishkan. We're lenient with the Metzora. T'mei Meisim Mishtachin and Zav and Metzora Mishtachin. You know what? They go to the Mikvah before. No, that's not the T'mei Meisim. I don't know. That I don't know. >> [snorts] >> Says the Mishna. We have a brand new Mishna. Oh, turn to the Daf. Sponsored by Daf Global, experts in cross-border payments. We have a three-way Machlokes. Very, very simple. One man says you need need with a K, you need the bread of the lechem ha panim and the shulchan ha rakem. And you bake it even outside of the azar, baking it outside of the azar. The other man says no. Kneading and baking only inside the azar, and then you have the middle man. What does the middle man say? One and one. Kneading on the outside, baking on the inside. So, that's the first sheet, the middle sheet. In other words, one and one. To knead it, it has to be it could be even outside the azar, but to bake it, baking only inside the azar. He holds you do not push off Shabbos for baking. As we're going to see, pushing off Shabbos has to do whether or not it has kedusha or not. If you have kedusha while you Oh, that's what it is, base paggi. Okay. That was We missed the base paggi thing already? Yeah, no, it's coming up. Okay. It's coming up at the end of the mishna. Um if baking the the challah, the bread, the lechem gives it kedusha then you cannot bake it on Friday because it would be possible you know, by the time the bread gets to Shabbos it had to go through a night. A night is no good, it slept overnight, it's possible. If it doesn't give it any kedusha, so then you could bake it on Friday. Rebbi Doymer not true you have to knead the dough inside the azar, certainly you have to bake it inside the azar. And he was going to tell us this means he got to be maser a kabbalah. Still in the lechem ha panim shares by azar or shares by base paggi. You could do the baking, even the baking you could do it in base paggi. What's base paggi? Base paggi is within the walls of Yerushalayim. Not these walls that we see over here. Probably less than that. But it means within the walls of Yerushalayim of those days. In other words, not inside the Beis Hamikdash. It's a big cooler, you're allowed to bake the bread inside the walls. I have a question. How am I going to see over there? When is kasha? How could you do it outside? There's no there's no psulina. If the kli the saron, remember we had that kli that we spoke about, the saron I don't think we have it here. But the saron holds a certain amount of flour. If it gives it kedusha, how can you do it outside the Beis Hamikdash? As soon as you put inside the kli, poof, it becomes kodesh. Now it's outside of the Beis Hamikdash, it becomes pasul. So must be that that kli, cuz yeah, if it if it's a kli that measures wine and oil that that gives it kedusha. But we have a machlokes whether or not the solid kli for flour gives it kedusha. We're going according to the man who says there's no kedusha. But then you tell me that you should bake it inside the the the inside the Beis Hamikdash. Why? Inside the azar. How am I going to see over there? It's kasha. In other words, the oven gives it kedusha. So what's the obvious answer? What's the question? First of all, you tell me that a kli that holds dry goods doesn't give it kedusha. Then you tell me a second later that this kli called the oven gives it kedusha. So you could answer a simple answer. An oven gives kedusha and a measuring cup doesn't give kedusha. That's what the Gemara is going to say. How am I going to see over there? It's kasha. Amar Rava or Rovo I asked this question to a very tough person that's tough like metal. Meaning says Rashi, he's very very sharp. His name is Rav Shashes and he didn't have an answer. So the Gemara there and says that Rav Shashes was very special and he had a tremendous tremendous kias in Torah. And over here Rashi says that he's very sharp. I like to say over the Brisker Rav all the time. Brisker Rav says that in order to say chiddushim in Torah, first you have to know all of Shas with Rashi. Then we can talk. All of Shas. Some people take them 67 years. You got to know all of Shas with Rashi before you could start saying chiddushim. So he's very sharp. Not that oh, he's very oh, he's a kias person, like in Arabic. No, he's very sharp. And another super interesting thing that we have to verify 100% we got a a few uh confirmations, but not a not total. That in Sanz, the Rebbe gives a drasha on this sugia, on on Rav Shashes, on this kasha every year the same sugia, different shabbos, takes him about an hour and a half and they give out kreplach and they call it the kreplach shabbos, something like that. Kreplach shabbos. I don't know, it's often. I don't know. We had somebody from the Hebrew shul, yeah, maybe Torah kreplach, Torah I don't know what. Fine. I don't know exact exact details, please. Ask the Gemara next question. What was the big kasha that Rav Shashes or that they asked Rav Shashes? You're right, the measuring cup doesn't give kedusha. But the the oven you even though it's for dry goods, it gives kedusha. A much stronger question. The what? Baking on the inside. Where do you bake the bread? Inside the Beis Hamikdash. Inside the azar. How am I going to see over there? Why are you doing it inside? Because the the oven gives kedusha. If you did it outside, it would be kodesh and it would be pasul be yotzei. And it doesn't doesn't push push off Shabbos. Why? He passed the leina. You got a big problem. If you cannot bake on Shabbos and the oven gives it kedusha so now the the the bread is a day old. If the bread is a day old, it becomes pasul because it slept overnight. When did you make the bread? On erev Shabbos, on Friday. You can't do it on Shabbos cuz it doesn't push off Shabbos. You have to do it on Friday. And if it gives it kedusha like you told me it gives it kedusha, then it should become pasul leina. So what? And this is Rava. Maybe the guy the guy is Rava over there and Rava over here, I don't know. >> [clears throat] >> Over here we asked Rav Shashes this question. I asked him this question. I asked him this question. >> [clears throat] >> The sharp one, a very sharp person. Rav Shashes. And he didn't have what to answer. Amar Rav Ashi Let me take a stab at this, he says. My kasha, but he doesn't say it like this. He says, my kasha. There was a Bruce from Beis HaTalmud, I think it was. There was a acharon that wrote a sefer. And he wrote in the sefer and Rebbi Bruce was reading it and she wrote that the question of the Rebbi Akiva Eiger doesn't even start. So Rebbi Bruce was so upset, he took the sefer like threw it on the floor or something. He says, how could you write such a s- How could you write something that not even doesn't even start? Want to say I have an answer? Okay. Say the Rebbi Akiva Eiger's kasha. Doesn't start. He had a big tie on it. Remember a whole whole shmooze, he spoke to the mechaber about it. Why he wrote that, etc. He said, okay, fine. So He's trying to trying to explain it. It doesn't even start. It's kasha mamash. I wanted to show that it's not a kasha at all. If I would say the answer I wanted to show How could Rebbi Akiva Eiger you think Rebbi Akiva Eiger made such a mistake? Fine. My kasha. It's funny that he was able to like he went through a sefer of a acharon acharon. You know So the Gemara my kasha, says Rebbi Ashi, I don't understand the kasha at all. The mokem is reason. To me it seemed almost like a day old, but he says like mamash my kasha. What does it mean that um that you break the you bake the bread inside the azar? No, you bake the bread outside. So why does he say inside? The mokem is reason. These are people that work inside. They're very very careful that it shouldn't become chometz. You got to be careful not to make it chometz. So we have a video. Kohanim's reason, they're careful, they're fast. I don't know, he didn't say fast more than his reason. >> [music] >> Look at that thing. It's like this it's a chaim of a sefer Torah but made out of gold. What's going on? I woke up tired today. Tired, [music] huh? Then you'll see what tired is. >> [laughter] >> Okay. For some people it's not even a joke. Some of us who grew up in Bnei Brak Yeah, father Rav Ashi Bruce he sometimes the guy is pedusa, like it's a joke. He was off. Why? Makes no sense. What are you you're careful about chometz. So think about it. In a matzah bakery, you're going to do half the line or very, very super market over from here we're briskets. From here, we don't care at all. Makes no sense. If you have to care, you have to care from the moment the the the dough is mixed to the oven. You can't say, "Oh, I'm only careful over here." Mano shach, you have to have a reason. >> [clears throat] >> If by the baking, maybe that's the hardest job. I think it was it. We get no. What is it called? The matzah I don't know. What is it? The matzah Is that sticks to it? Yeah. Yeah. He have a reason. This is why you have a reason. Mano shach. If you have to be [clears throat] very careful when you bake it, so you have to be very careful when you're kneading it. You have a reason. And if you don't need to be careful when you're making the dough, I feel not I feel not me living in You don't need to be careful when you're baking it. I don't know what you're doing. We don't like your matzah. Says the matzah. We learn the mission. Call my name. I'm him. I like to review the review the says kneading the dough and baking the dough must be done inside the Azara. The mission argues that they both could be outside of the Azara. Says the Gamara. I'm a rebel. Omar Rebbe Abahu said I had a lot of issues. This is the schmuck of my soul. I don't know. That's so schmucky actually. The story is so famous story, but the outcome was terrible. David Amel was running away from Saul. And he didn't have any food. He was collapsing. And he got to know if you're a kind of this We know that the Mishkan was in Noiv and then afterwards in Givon and this is the reason. Noiv was the city of Kohanim. And he got there and he told them Saul told me to come here and take some bread. He spoke to Ahimelech. Give me some food. Give me some bread. So, he ended up eating from the lechem uponim. He was a Yisrael. How is he eating from the lechem uponim? So, the He tells He tells them He tells Ahimelech who dare call Something here is weekdayish. After you make this the kelli. Even though this bread is going to become college with a kelli. What does it mean? So, that's the machlokes. Rebbe Abahu said he knew the call of the lay. Rebbe Abahu says he found them. He came there on a weekday. He came to let's say on on a Friday. I'm a lewho dare call you today. You're baking this on a Friday. After you make this the kelli. I don't understand. It's going to become kadosh in the oven. When you put it in the oven, it becomes kadosh. And if it becomes kadosh on Friday, it possibly be leino. You don't have bread for Shabbos kadosh. It's already possel. It's overnight. Rebbe Shimon says such a thing with Rebbe Shimon argues is no. David Amel showed up on a Shabbos. I'm a lewho call me today. What are you doing here? Shouldn't you do this on a Friday? Why are you doing this on a Shabbos? Why are you baking on a Shabbos? Maybe the time of kadosh. If the oven gave it dusha, I understand why you don't bake it on Friday because it would become possel cuz it was overnight and it's possel leino. But the oven doesn't give it dusha. What gives it dusha? Shulchan Amel kadosh. So, bake it on Friday and don't put it on to the shulchan until Shabbos. And only then the clock starts ticking. Here's the video. Noiv. I don't know. This was there. Saul ended up killing all the Kohanim there because he gave him food. Terrible tragedy. So, that's small. The Shulchan says that he ate all of bread. Says the Gamara. We have matzah matzah Shabbos. We have a feeling of kinu. What? David Amel found them baking bread. What says the first in the possel? I don't know what kadosh He gave him bread as kadosh. He know he had lechem. They didn't have any have any other bread. Kim lechem uponim. How much are we looking at They only had the bread that came off of the table. Now, the bread that came off the table of the shulchan is a week old. So, what do you mean they found them baking bread? Am I dare call the call of the lewho? So, what do you mean that it was the weekday? How could I call the lewho? This is what he meant. Like lechem came lechem uponim lechem ashem. They told David Amel. There's only this bread that's that that was taken off the table off the shulchan in front of ashem. I'm a lewho. So, he tells them Let me buy a high degree of You know the call of the lewho. This bread that comes off the table There's no meela. If a Kohain eats this bread, he's allowed to eat the bread. So, once the Kohain is allowed to eat the bread, so there's no meela. It's not considered kadosh anymore. It has a lesser dusha. And the meela wouldn't be such a big issue for a Yisrael to eat this bread because it It's not doesn't have meela. It's also, but not as strong. I feel like I don't need to be clean. But even if it's the most holy of holy, it's supposed to go on the shulchan. I will lay the lechem Give it to him in third person. Oh, it was Give it to me to eat. The shulchan dough. I He's saying about himself. >> [clears throat] >> So, how does the possel get in? So, he says Rashi over here. Shulchan Amel bolmos. He had a disease called bolmos. I don't know what he said. Mission was not mission bolmos. If somebody has bolmos, in other words, he's starving. I don't know what he said. Until his eyes light up. I don't know what he said. Even on Yom Kippur. This is what we've seen in the Shulchan Amel. Why do you have to eat all of it? I don't know. I don't know. You know You know what one bread is? How do you eat one? One is 10 lbs. So, he ate 120 lbs worth of uh So, yeah. Maybe it's a good moment. You know this. Call upon him. Oh, you're saying why would he have the right to eat all? If a person can eat 12 breads, then you don't understand. Cuz without Bolmos means he He has to keep on going until until his body tells him to stop. His body didn't say stop. I was just as a side note, the word Bolmos, I'm pretty sure comes from bulimia. Same thing as bulimia. I mean, they're related. Bolmos is starvation. It has to do with uh eating. In the Halacha, it says the opposite. They ate too much. They got very sick. Yeah. When a person doesn't eat at all and then he you you let him eat. Yeah. That's why yeah. Rebbe Yehuda Rebbe Shimon big market. So, the machlokes says the Gamara is only machlokes in what happened uh traditionally. What the tradition was. What the Messiah is. I can have me. In other words, it does the oven Is the oven a kadosh the bread or not? That's the shaila. That's the machlokes. I can have me What does it mean heavy rug? You should always be used to saying this. The word Rebbe Shimon said that you should You should say this that there's no dusha You're allowed to You're allowed to make the bread inside the Azara. You're allowed to make it outside of the Azara. In other words, that's the tradition. That's what it means Rebbe Shimon. Shimon So, that's the machlokes whether or not the oven gives it dusha or not. Boys, I I'll see you in Eretz Yisrael from the Amel Shimon. Have a wonderful day. Merit the zechus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsored.mdydaaf.com.