Daf Yomi Menachos Daf 68 by R' Eli Stefansky

[singing] >> Good morning Rabbi Yisrael. >> [screaming] >> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. WE ARE LIVE IN MIAMI. It's a nice crowd. [applause] LET ME TURN THE [cheering] CAMERA AROUND. IT'S A NICE OILAM over there. Beautiful, beautiful. Shalom aleichem everybody. Everybody let me spell it out. Beautiful. So, it's about what is it like 10:30 here or something? What time is it? 10:43 p.m. It's the morning. >> Okay, we know we have to be careful. This year, great. Kum tzarain everybody. Just got from Yisrael this afternoon. Um so, it's about 4:30. That's a quarter to 5:00 in the morning for me. So, if I take a little nap in the middle of the shear, you'll understand why. It's it's great to be here. Shkoyach for having me. Yishkoyach to David Solomon who does such an unbelievable job [applause] every single [cheering] day. NOW, THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE. >> [applause] >> SO, SHH. WE HAD A little Before before I start, I just want to say uh somebody was very close to this year. We have the Van brothers. One of them was nifter yesterday in a in a tragic fire in the Catskills. The shamash had an aliya. Amen. Um We're learning the sugia of chodesh and yashan. Chodesh and yashan. So, I went around the airport. When we arrived here in Miami, I went and I asked probably 30 30 plus people what what they know about chodesh and yashan. What do you know? What do What does it mean to you? Who here has done the daf so far? No, in the last few days. Anybody who did daf in the last few days? Good. So, from the people that didn't do the daf in the last few days, is chodesh and yashan a chumra? Is it derabonan? Is it doraisa? What is chodesh? What do you guys know? What do you guys say? You ever see on the store it says that the pizza is yashan? Not so much these days, huh? So, I want to read you first an email. Then I want to show you a a video that I took. Dear Reb Eli, this is from Gershy Rose from England. Very very big part of the shear. Brought way over 100 people this year. Maybe I think it's 200 plus. With the greatest respect, I wanted to raise a concern, a certain nekuda which to my knowledge has not been really addressed. I fully recognize that Reb Eli speaks with passion. There are certain areas, almost like pet peeves, that come up regularly. I was wondering if I could back on a few of them and share a thought. Firstly, when it comes to talking during kaddish, it is clear, strong, and undisputed. It is something we all understand. It's something I personally am careful with. We're here in Nicks and he got me thinking when I came to when I saw in the other show how he's so makpid on talking during davening. And I said, "Ah, if they could do it in Nicks, I could do it in my show. I could do it in MDY." And so, we we instituted in MDY and it works beautifully. But, I said, "You know, for the oilam, not in my show, people that watch the shear, maybe they could start with something small and super important that's kaddish, not the talking during kaddish." So, he agrees with that. Great. Shkoyach Gershy. Secondly, regarding ma'aser sheini, again, it's a halacha widely accepted and something Reb Eli has given tremendous chizuk over the years. Personally, I've been doing it daily for decades and I'm genuinely grateful for that chizuk. When it comes to not learning during chazaros hashataz, this is spoken about often. However, my own rebbe, a leading posek in Eretz Yisrael, taught us that since many people unfortunately are not properly listening during chazaros hashataz, it would be better to learn rather than simply daydream. I'm not saying that one has to agree with that approach. I'm not suggesting disagreement either way. I'm only pointing out that there are legitimate opinions on this matter, so pushing one opinion can be dangerous. Absolutely not. It's not dangerous. I'm just saying over what the Mishna Berurah says. He has a heter from his rav. Good for him. I go with the Mishna Berurah in everything from A to Z and I think everybody should most likely go with the Mishna Berurah. Most Klal Yisrael goes with the Mishna Berurah from A to Z. There are some that go with Orach Chaim still. But, it's widely regarded by the Chassidim, by the Litvaks, by everybody. Mishna Berurah, Chofetz Chaim. I'm saying what the Chofetz Chaim says. And I'm going to keep on saying what the Chofetz Chaim says. And if you have a rav, Gershy, that says it's machlokes on the Chofetz Chaim, zol zein gezunt. But, I'm going to keep on pushing the Chofetz Chaim. And I think the the danger the danger is when you start finding heter for certain things, to me that's dangerous. Because then everything has a heter and everything has a heter. So, I completely disagree with that point. We'll go to the next thing. Now, yeah, if somebody wants to learn and and and thinks he could learn and and he has a thing, let him go with his rav. But, I'm going to say the Mishna Berurah there's nothing wrong with saying over from the Chofetz Chaim, pushing the Chofetz Chaim. Great. Next. But, it gets better, this email. What I really wanted to raise though relates to the sugias we just learned of treifos and the upcoming sugia of chodesh. In my humble opinion, these areas may be going a bit too far and I want to explain what I mean. It some sometimes feels that the strong emphasis on chodesh is not only coming from the halacha itself, but also from a very personal place, perhaps connected to that past experience in the pizza store and the mesorah from Reb Eli's father was makpid on it. And of course, that has great value. At the same time, we all have fathers, rabbonim, and mesorahs. Each person is guided by their own rav. To present something in a way that can be perceived as absolute, like it's a chiyuv doraisa for everyone, can create a very difficult and slippery situation. This is where I have to disagree with Reb Gershy Rose. Why? Because he's not the only one that's making this very big mistake. Many many people make this mistake and all the most of the people I spoke to in the airport made this mistake. I asked them, "What is chodesh? What does chodesh mean?" The problem is that people Klal Yisrael doesn't even know what it is. They don't realize where it comes from. Is it a a chumra from the Mishna Berurah? Who thinks Who thinks chodesh is a chumra in the Mishna Berurah? In the Shulchan Aruch? Who thinks that it's a it's a pasuk in the Torah? Anybody thinks it's a pasuk in the Torah? Chodesh, yashan. Nobody's raising their hand. Let me finish that noise. Oh. Chodesh and yashan is a pasuk in the Torah. This is not a discussion of a rebbe, my rebbe, your rebbe, my father, your father had a trauma, I didn't have a trauma. Yeah, I had a trauma when I was a kid. And the trauma was created because there's a certain amharatzus when it comes to this halacha, like many other halachas. People don't realize it's a pasuk in the Torah. It's an explicit pasuk in the Torah that you're not allowed to eat chodesh. Now, can you eat chodesh bizman hazeh? What's chodesh? Chodesh means the new crop of wheat before Pesach. Pesach comes the second day of Pesach. That's today's sugia. Then it changes. Ah, the food's here. Reb boys, the food's here. >> [snorts] >> So, if I'm telling you, Reb boys, all you need to do, do me a favor. Go around not after shear, talk to people in your shul. You hear, guys? Guys, before you chop all the plates and all the stuff. Dave, Dave, 1 second. Let me let me let me just finish. Let's When we get to the boring sugia, we'll pull out the food. You guys are not concentrating. I need them to concentrate for a second. Guys, listen. Listen. Listen. >> [snorts] >> You need to go around in shul and let people know that it's a it's a pasuk in the Torah. The question is, does that pasuk apply in Florida today? According to almost I don't know any According to 95% of rishonim, achronim, tanoim, amoroim, it's a issur doraisa or certainly issur derabonan today in Florida. So, the question is, why in the world do people don't care about it? That's the question. So, they have a heter and it's called the Bach. He's a daas yachid and he has a heter of a sfek sfeka. But, we have to know if you're using the heter, you have to know that you're using the heter. You have to know not to make fun of the people that are makpid on the doraisa or the derabonan and not to write a silly email like Gershy Rose has wrote. Again, I want to read what he's writing here. I love the guy. He's a huge part of the shear. But, what he's writing is exactly what other people say. Here, look. Listen to what he's writing. It's a bit too far. It sometimes feels that the strong emphasis on chodesh is not only coming from our halacha itself, but also from a very personal place. Perhaps connected to past experience of pizza store. At the same time, we all have fathers. A father can't argue on a pasuk in the Torah. Sorry. Rabbanim, Rabbanim can argue on a possuk in the Torah. They can't argue on the Shulchan Aruch who paskens is it is it d'Oraisa or d'Rabanan? Shulchan Aruch. On the Tur, on the Rosh, on the Rambam. Can't argue on it. These are the Rishonim. It's not about a father, it's not about a mesorah. Who has a mesorah against Rishonim? That I don't understand what he's talking about. What he's talking about is a common misconception. After I read the email, I saw going over to person to person on the plane and in the airport. And people have no clue. Zero. I'm going to show you a video in a second. And I I said this yesterday in shiur Baruch She'Amar. Chassidim think it's a Litvish chumra. This is what they think. So I want to get it out of their head. It's not a Litvish chumra, it's a possuk in the Torah. Each person is guided by their own Now, if you know if you knew that it's a possuk in the Torah and you argue that b'zman hazeh and there's no Beis Hamikdash and it's different Okay, fine. Now we're starting to talk, maybe you know a little bit. But you don't even know that it's a possuk in the Torah and you say it's a Litvish chumra, that's a problem. And I'm I'm scared to say that I think maybe Gershy also felt this way cuz otherwise he wouldn't write this. He wouldn't write We have Rabbanim, we have a mesorah and each person is guided by their own rav. To present something in a way that can be perceived as absolute, like a chiyuv d'Oraisa. So again, I'm not All I'm presenting are the facts. You take the facts and you do what you want to do with them. Oh. Now, when he talks about cheiles, cheiles, I'm not as passionate about because I don't know if the cheiles that they found is the real thing. I said I have a very good safek in it. And the the the good is so much more than the bad. In other words, there's hardly uh any uh chesaron in it. You could only be m'kayem a mitzvah d'Oraisa but hardly lose anything. So that's why I said, "Okay, I'll try it. I'll do it." I don't push My own children don't wear cheiles. I never spoke to them about it. I don't push it on them. I don't push it on my friends. I don't tell my friends to wear it. So to say that I'm you know, it's my pet peeve. I speak about it just to to bring awareness to the oilam that we have a d'Oraisa that maybe we could be m'kayem b'zman hazeh. As a maybe. And I tell I say all the tzaddikim that the tzaddikim said niggunim and how come this gadol doesn't wear it and how come this gadol doesn't wear it? That's the main taina today why people don't wear cheiles. Not because they they have like a good taina against it. So that's the cheiles part. Now, I just want to show you this video here. But I love Gershy Schwartz. I love him and I love everything he does. I just I don't think it's a pet peeve. I think I'm trying just to bring something out of it. If one thing comes out of this shiur, one thing, that people should understand that it starts from a possuk in the Torah. Whether or not it applies today, that you know, that you could ask your rav. Don't say Okay. Similarly, cheiles is strongly repeatedly encouraged. Even nuance that everyone should ask their rav can still create a sense that this is the only emes, which can be confusing for people that have been guided differently. I mention in writing this is m'toch koved v'achrayus for clarity and balance. These are sensitive areas where different legitimate approaches exist. No. When it comes to d'Oraisa like chodesh, there are no legitimate approaches. >> [clears throat] >> You have to understand the facts. And there's a Bach that says that b'zman hazeh one Bach that says there's a safek sfeka and everybody knows about the Bach. And to explain some what I understand, why is it that there's such a leniency today? Becau- And especially by Chassidim who are so makpid on the smallest nuances of all these halachos. They wear Rabbeinu Tam. They wear They do They go above and beyond everything. They go to mikvah every day. And So why when it comes to d'Oraisa like this, they're not makpid? So the the answer could be that in Europe it was very very difficult to find yashan. And they had a concern of pikuach nefesh, I heard, back in the day. But that heter rolled over into America and into places where it was not an issue at all. So I'm just putting out the information there. You do whatever you want with it. Here's Thank you, Yossi Willig. I'm going to jump to the video that I want to show you. Newhouse Associates CPAs for the for hosting me to record shiur during By this is wedding here Lakewood. Yashar koach, Mark. Yashar koach, Yossi Willig. Mark has been already once here with me today. And b'ezras Hashem, he'll be with me for the next month. I'm very much looking forward to Erev Yom Tov where I have to record six shiurim. It's going to be beautiful. I'm here in Miami airport and I stopped a few Chassidishe bachurim. Bachurim? Yes, yes. What do you guys know about yashan and chodesh? What did you say? What did you tell me a second ago? I don't know if I should say it. Litvaks are makpid Litvaks are very strict makpid on it. Okay, good. So I'm trying to teach the oilam that it's a possuk in the Torah. It's a issur d'Oraisa. And there's very very little to be makpid. It's a That's There's a Bach that's makpid. But most poskim say it's ossur d'Oraisa b'zman hazeh. You know. I said in shiur that Mom she said yesterday The Chassidim think it's a some some shigasa that Litvaks have. It's a possuk in the Torah. We got to tell Yisrael. Now you know. Okay, there's some heter. It's a It's a safek sfeka of the Bach. Isn't that what the heter is? It's a possuk in the Torah, yeah? Okay, I'm going to tell them. So yes, Sefardim are makpid on it. And Litvaks are makpid on it. Like he said, Litvaks are very strict makpid on it. But he didn't know that it's a possuk in the Torah. They didn't know. They didn't know that where it starts from. So it's one of these things that is brought down in acharonim. So that's what we're here. This That's today's sugia, Rebbi Side. Uh before we go to the sugia, I just needed a read these sponsors and there are a lot of them. Official edition of the Ohr Yashar is sponsored by the running TV family's perek. 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So in in the Mishnah discussing the Psalms I don't know which base we learned yesterday that the way it works is the new crop barley, wheat, the chamishas minim you cannot eat the new crop until the second day of Pesach when Klal Yisrael brings a korban, they bring a minchas omer. That minchas omer allows you to eat the new crop. What happens when there's no Beis Hamikdash? We don't bring omer. So So So then what? The Gemara is going to discuss. Listen to this. There's a machlokes in the Mishnah that we learned yesterday. You can't Could you even touch the crop? Could you even cut the t'vuah? So we saw Rebbi Meir says, "No, you're not allowed to." Because if you cut the crop, you might eat it. And eating it is what? An issur d'Oraisa. Says Rebbi Yehudah, Rebbi Yehudah omer b'tzricha l'yoshei. It's not a problem. It's not a problem to to to to cut it and why? We're not concerned you're going to eat it. Okay. So the Gamorah asks the question, I'm just repeating what we we learned yesterday. This is the sheet of Yehuda. That you could reap the and we're not concerned you're going to eat it. say you're not allowed to reap it. Why? Because you might come to eat it. So yesterday we asked the question from from comments. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. comments Put on the chair. The if you didn't do the first night these are I'm going to show you something it's mind-boggling. Mind-boggling. If If you don't do comments the night before you do it in the morning of If you don't do it then you do it up until 6 hours in the But not further. This says you can't do it longer than that. Why? Because you might come to eat the comments. Let's say you're looking you find a piece of cake. You might eat the cake. All of a sudden he's concerned if you're holding a piece of cake in your hand you might eat it. How come he's not concerned by the if you hold if you're holding in your hand the new crop you might come to eat it. So that's the contradiction. You see the the top box is talking about he's not concerned it's green. The bottom box looking around for comments might find a nice cookie or something that he is concerned. What's the difference? In fact the Gamorah says we have the same exact question on in reverse. Why? Because when it comes to the box is ready to say you can't touch the box. But when it comes to the to the comments he says they say you could check for comments. Okay. So that we had a answer yesterday. The last words of Because you're not allowed to cut comments with the What is it called? The round tool? The sickle. You're not allowed to use the sickle. >> [clears throat] >> You have to use your hands. So when you use your hands that's your way to remember oh why can't I use the sickle? Because it's because it's I'm not allowed to use I'm not allowed to not allowed to touch it at all. Almost done here. We'll do a switch then. So we're holding two lines from the top. When it comes to grinding the the wheat and sifting the flour how come over there we're not concerned? What what What is he doing differently? When when it comes to reaping he's not using a sickle. When he's doing the the sifting what is he doing differently to remind him that it's produce and not Yasha? Holy cow says the Gamorah. The other. Typically speaking how do you grind? Use something like this I would say. Oh, beautiful. It's a machine. It turns the mill. And you get flour. We tell him no no you can't use the machine. You have to use something like this. This is the hand one, right? This is the upgraded version for today. This is a a basket on top of the wheat. Turns it and catches the handle. Okay. We're making work harder. We're sorry he's thinking to himself why am I working harder? Oh, because it's comments. So he's not going to come eat it. >> [clears throat] >> Now, what about sifting? >> [snorts] >> comments comments Usually how does it work? Usually take a sifter you pour the flour looks like a cup and the sifter's on the bottom. Oh, let me drink this and I'll show you. Okay. Now he's going to do the opposite. He's going to turn the cup upside down and he's going to sift from this part. Much harder to sift this way. Let's see. That's how you typically sift, right? In Israel at least. I don't know how they do it there. It's called I get it. It's a little bit sugar. It means like to dance. This is the little flour guys. >> What does the Gamorah say? Rashi says it's the other way around. Inverted or not inverted? I think you got a little bit of a miss our artist but okay. Oh, so now he showed it. I think they did this where the the sifter is upside down and the flour's on the other side. Great. So since you're doing it the opposite way since you're doing the opposite way then you're reminded that it's comments. Says Gamorah Gamorah has a question. They used to There's two types of fields. There's a field that that uses rain water. There's a field that needs extra help and needs and needs it to be irrigated. And we're going to show you a video how it's done. Shabbat walking. You're down in the valleys. The is quite from quite from you can use a sickle. Why? Because the wheat over there is inferior quality. So we allow you to use the sickle. You're not going to use it for the you're allowed to you're allowed to use a sickle. The question is I believe and you're not allowed to pile it up. You're telling me that the whole reason why you're allowed to use you're allowed to cut the comments is because I have something to remind me that it's What is What's reminding you? I'm not using a tool. I'm using my hands. Over here you're allowed to use a tool. So what's reminding you? Check [snorts] this out. This is this he did a phenomenal job on. What they did? Yeah, yeah. You can eat now. That's getting boring. Not this video. This is good. Oh, basically to get an irrigation [snorts] what is it called? You should know. Canal. A canal? Irrigation canal maybe. All the way to your field. Once you get it there so now the wheat can grow and you're allowed to use a sickle. So the question is if you're using a sickle how do you remember not to eat the comments? The answer is the Now you can just skip a whole bunch nobody will know the difference, right? Wow. I'll pay attention. Well, I'm going to turn this around. >> [laughter] >> All right. So says the Gamorah very good. Says people don't eat You hear this? People in the back in the day didn't eat comments. And therefore they'll be careful not to eat. comments but I mean When it comes to the to comments since they eat donuts all year round if the guy finds a donut he might eat take a good bite out of it. So this I showed you before. I preempted this question. Here it is again. Nobody's paying attention but it's okay. The people that are watching this here are going to be paying attention. We said there's a contradiction on the one hand by he says that you could deal with it. You could you could reap it. But by comments he's very careful. He says you can't do it. Why is it not a question according to him? I'm only talking to you. According to who say that it's also to to deal with you're not allowed to reap it. How come it is by comments they say you're allowed to do it? Yeah? So says the Gamorah We already answered why it's not a concern. Why? Because we said the comments he's used to it so he might eat from it. It's not a question according to because if a guy is looking he's searching for comments. Why is he searching with with a flashlight and a and a candle for comments? So that he could burn it. So why is he going to take a bite out of it? It makes no sense. comments This comes in this is bringing us to a beautiful line. It's like a garden. We're talking about roasted flour and roasted flour is not edible. And we have [clears throat] no concern because it's roasted flour. It's almost like a joke. Listen to this. Who wrote the Shas? Who wrote Who wrote Who put together Shas? Ravina Rav Ashi. Rav Ashi's writing about himself? That's the Medusa. It seems like he wrote it himself. And and and like I know what they call it. It says with this that Rav Ashi said It's not somebody else. He's writing about himself. Unless it was written in later generations, which is also a possibility. Rav Ashi Brusihi or Bedusihi, it's a joke. I get it. If the flowers roasted, nobody eats roasted flowers, not edible. I'd call him a Why do I allow the guy to reap it? When it's whole, people used to eat it. They used to take a They used to nibble at it. Right from the field. Right from the field. It's kish mach. You never tasted it. Neither did I. But it's supposedly it's very good. Unlike a ripe olive, ripe weed is very good. So what are you going to say? Oh, we we don't allow you to reap it. Only by hand. So then why is it permitted to do zero in the base of with a sickle? Where's the Where's the How's he going to remember that it's hard? So Rav Ashi is not correct in that case. My boys ate brand new mishnah. You guys finished eating? Not yet? Mish in Bais Shammai we don't allow this. I saved you some. >> [laughter] >> I went to that restaurant. It's gone. It's fine. Mutra Mutra. Shout out to Mutra. What? What is this? Pencils. Wow. Wow, that looks good. No, give it to somebody else. I'm not going to eat all that. I'm not going to eat all I'll take maybe a half of that. And even that I can't. I'll switch. With ice. Okay. You guys ready ready for new mishnah? Yes. Give up. Mishnah Korban Omer Hutar Chodesh Me'yad. There's more food. >> [laughter] >> Why? They're not concentrating enough and you're Mishnah Korban Omer Hutar Chodesh Me'yad. My boys say Once the Mincha of the Omer comes in the Bais Hamikdash and you put it on the Mizbeach everybody's permitted to eat the new crop. They're allowed to eat the Chodesh. I'll tell you something. I don't want you guys just to say the negative things that the fancy said. Say the positive also. Tell the oilam about Chodesh and Yoshon. Ask them. Go around asking people. Do me a favor. Ask people. You'll be surprised that they don't know that it comes that the source is the Torah. My son was was on Purim He was in his Rebbe's house and he had his feet up on the like a table. And a guy wanted to climb over his feet. So the guy said, you know, are you done growing? That's what the guy asked him. It's a It's an interesting question to ask somebody. No, no, I got one more growth spurt left in me. I Like what is he supposed to say? Okay? So and the guy says, you know, it doesn't matter if you're done growing or not. I listened to the the Rebbe Stefansky and he said in sheer that it doesn't matter if you step over somebody or don't step over somebody. And he steps over him and he keeps on going. So my son tells him, oh, maybe that's why I'm short. So the guy goes, what do you mean? He says, I'm Rebbe Stefansky's son. So maybe that's why I'm short cuz my father used to step over me. You don't go by here. You don't go that way. Yeah, thanks. Um Yeah, so So I had to convince him that he's my son. The whole thing. Great. So Zocher Gemara. I'm just saying people say over, oh, you're allowed to step over so because the fancy said. Say over the the Yoshon thing also. What if you don't live in Yerushalayim? You live far away. You live in America. So when comes, you could assume that that in the Bais Hamikdash they already brought the the Omer you're allowed to eat the new crop. Anybody knows what the Yom Hanef means? What's Yom Hanef? Oh, you're learning You're looking in the English. You got it. What's Yom Hanef? What What does that mean? Why is it called Yom Hanef? Yom Hanef, how do you know that? But that's very good. Yom Hanef means the day that you do Nufa. What's Nufa? When you lift the carbon. You lift the Mincha. Right? So it's called Yom Hanef. Which is the 16th day of Nissan, which is what? The second day of Pesach. So says Rebbe Zachariah, since there's no Bais Hamikdash so we're not going to eat Chodesh that entire day. So Rebbe Yehudah kind of argues, it seems like. He says, what do you mean you're making it a thick It says in the Torah you're not allowed to eat on the 16th day. She nemar He has this concept called Meaning if you can't eat part of it, can't eat up until up until you can't the till is also part of it. So he holds the entire day is also at the same day. Add, let's say, add until 12:00. But 12:00 is included. In other words, the whole day is included in that at the same day. So I can't eat it. Why are the people allowed and permitted if you're in Florida? You're allowed to eat from then on. They understand that Bais Din is going to take care of business. They're going to be the carbon. And once they the carbon, Chodesh is mutar all over the world. Says the Gemara Rebbe Shmuel bar Nachmani argues. There's a machlokes here. Of course. It says in the pasuk Rebbe Shmuel bar Nachmani argues that Omer is mutar. When the Bais Hamikdash is around, then the Mincha of the Omer allows you to eat. When the Bais Hamikdash is not around, then what's Rebbe Shmuel say? What time of the day is sunrise? Sunrise. Now, where else in Yiddishkeit do we do something by sunrise? Does something start by sunrise? Usually the day starts by shkiah. By nightfall. And if it starts if we have something in the day, it usually starts when? By sunrise. Sunrise. No, sunrise. We hardly I don't know of another place. I don't know, but I'm I'm sure there's something else. What? Fast is by sunrise. That's sunrise. That's Sunrise is by You have to see the sunrise. I'm saying when Where do you see that the day starts Something starts at nets? Also means of shma. >> [clears throat] >> So over here the When the day is going to start by net by the nets. And from then on from the nets on you're allowed to eat Chodesh. You We don't have a Bais Hamikdash. We can't bring a carbon. It's going to start from the nets. We have a contradiction in the pasuk. You can't eat the new crop until you bring a carbon. Which means from the beginning of the the whole day is is included. So from the beginning of the day. Okay, it's odd. When there's a Bais Hamikdash I can bring a carbon. So you can only eat the new crop when the carbon is there. And when there's no [clears throat] Bais Hamikdash it's from the nets of Omer. They argue. No. When are you allowed to eat the new crop? From the nets. So what's the obvious question? The pasuk says you have to bring a carbon. The mishnah says Mishnah Korban Omer we just read. Mishnah Korban Omer when they brought the Mincha Mincha of the Omer Hutar Chodesh, then you're allowed to eat it. It's not from the nets. It's only These are all questions the Gemara is going to address. And the Gemara is going to say one answer to all three questions, four questions. The mitzvah. There's a special mitzvah if you if you wait and you're patient and you wait until the carbon then you get an extra mitzvah. But in fact, you're allowed to eat it according to Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai from the second from the nets. Let's see inside. But it's a pasuk. That you have to bring a carbon. The mitzvah. It's special. It says in our mishnah that when you bring the Omer that's when the Chodesh is okay. Not before. Not by nets. The mitzvah. You want to be extra mitzvah, you wait until the Omer. It says in the following mishnah number two base Did anybody know that in addition to the Omer the Omer allows you to eat the new crop. But the two breads on Shavuos allow the new crop to be brought in the base hamikdash. That's That's what we're going to see on amud beis. That's also, says the Gemara, limud well, daf samech ches amud beis. I have a I have to do this. Turning the daf. A dire global experts in cross-border payments even with closed skies and without breaking the speed limit. Those who knows know. Remember the whole thing we had with uh Yossi K speeds from a lot back here. Whatever, it's incidental. Let's try out that con. Please read a shidduch today because every shidduch that happened was first read. Zog the Gemara. Misha charvei with top top of samech ches amud beis, first word. Misha charvei we're not going to do this whole giant amud. We're going to do until by Rebbe Yochanan hopefully. Misha charvei Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai kulei ossur. This we saw on amud aleph. That according to Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai once the base hamikdash was destroyed, he said that the 16th day of Nissan, you shouldn't eat the new crop. Wait until the 17th. My time, what's the reason? Where is the base hamikdash? Hopefully this year we're going to have a base hamikdash on the 16th of Nissan. Klal Yisrael is going to destroy all the enemies. Mashiach is going to come. We're all going to do teshuvah. We're going to have a base hamikdash. And people are going to be confused. They're going to say "V'yom ha'omer histakku ad milay chalav u'veayam Mitzrayim." Last year I remember we ate the new crop. Dunkin' Donuts. Oh, not Dunkin' Donuts because it's the second day of Pesach. But the new crop was available on the second day of Yom Tov. By nates. Hashanah minei chol. So we should also eat by the nates. V'lo yishanu milay chalav u'vayam Mitzrayim. Hashanah minei chol. V'layad didi histakku ad v'yom ha'omer. They're not going to know. The last year's the reason is cuz there's no base hamikdash. So so there's no omer. Heyr Mitzrayim acher. Because there's no base hamikdash, so we go by the sunrise. B'hashata deika omer. Omer mater. But today that we have a base hamikdash, we have to wait until the omer. V'ei socha d'Rebbe Yochanan but if you're right, you Rebbe Yochanan say "That's not true. You don't have to wait till the omer. You wait until the netz hachamah." The omer is a good thing. It's an added bonus if you wait until the till the omer. Some shul mitzvah like leikum b'leikha. So that's why Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai made a whole to do and he said no, you shouldn't eat all the way till the night because when Mashiach comes, I want them to be mikayem the extra mitzvah. That something's not Something's not right. If you're allowed to l'chatchilah mid'oraisa to eat in the morning from the nates, Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai wouldn't make a whole gezeirah so that people should do it the best way possible and get extra mitzvah. Omer Rebbe Nachman bar Yitzchak. Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai Rebbe Yehudah omer. Rebbe Rebbe Yehudah holds, we'll see in a second again, Rebbe Yehudah holds that the entire day is ossur. So that's why Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai said according to Rebbe Yehudah that the entire day is ossur to eat chadash, I'm going to make a gezeirah so people don't forget that. It's until the main part of the day. Because so Rebbe Yochanan once you say the main part of the day means including that part. In other words, the whole day. Says the Gemara "U'mi samer like Rebbe Yehudah say?" But Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai doesn't hold like Rebbe Yehudah. Like Rebbe Yehudah. "U'meivi palgei y'arguz on him." This is not Misha charvei Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai Rebbe Yehudah kulei ossur. This is the third time we're having him. Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai made a takanah that the entire 16th day is ossur. Omer Rebbe Yehudah "V'al omer min ha'Torah ossur." And what did Rebbe Yehudah say in the Mishnah? We're just bringing over what he said in the Mishnah. In the Mishnah Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai says "I'm making a takanah that people shouldn't eat on the 16th day of Nissan when there's no base hamikdash." So what did Rebbe Yehudah tell him? "You don't have to make a takanah. It's in the Torah." Meaning you don't hold this in the Torah. I hold this in the Torah. That's why I'm asking you a question. Why are you telling me you're making a takanah? It's in the Torah. Omer Rebbe Yehudah "V'al omer min ha'Torah ossur ad itzumo shel yom zeh." So you see that according to Rebbe Yochanan it's not d'oraisa, it's d'rabbanan. Why are you telling me that he agrees with Rebbe Yehudah? He doesn't agree with Rebbe Yehudah. It's d'rabbanan. Says the Gemara "Rebbe Yehudah deka ta'i no." Rebbe Yehudah made a mistake. Now Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai does hold it's d'oraisa. What Rebbe Yehudah says is out of a mistake. That's why he said it. "Whosoever Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai d'rabbanan." He thought But lo it's not true. Mid'oraisa k'omer held that you're not allowed to eat the whole day mid'oraisa. Ah, but the words of hiskin. Hiskin means he he established something. If it's d'oraisa, he didn't establish anything. The Torah established it. Why is he talking? B'hiskin. D'oraisa v'hiskin. This gives me he he made a drasha on what it says in the Torah. You hear this? So long as you can make a drasha on what it says in the Torah. L'kavod Gershi Roz. L'chaim Gershi. I want to make a drasha. Again, I'm just repeating for the 15th time that this idea of chadash is not a made up idea by Litvaks. It's in the Torah. And the Gemara discusses it as we're going to see in the coming sugiyah. But whether or not it applies in our days and if it doesn't apply in our days, at least it applies mid'rabbanan. Why is it so controversial? The Rishonim see them in the I don't think it is. I think I think they don't know. I I really don't. I I Go ask people. They don't know. They don't If they knew that it's a possuk in the Torah, they would say "Yes." >> Like the practicality. Everybody Everybody eats yoshon after Pesach. Correct. So >> That's not the problem. The problem is from Sukkos to Pesach. The problem is right now. Right now, today, the stuff you're eating is it might not be ossur. You have to check if it has good hashgacha and this and that. If it's yoshon. We have to check. Mhm. >> The problem is the problem is now. Right now. Now we're in the Now we're in the most dangerous time of the year. Rav Papa and Rav Huna, the son of Rebbe Yehoshua, they ate chadash the night of the 16th. In other words, they didn't eat the whole 16th. Right before the 17th. Because they hold it's d'rabbanan. Because they hold Oh, you hear this? Chadash b'chutz la'aretz d'rabbanan. So here we have the first time we encounter shittah that says that chadash in chutz la'aretz is d'rabbanan. And there was no base hamikdash then, right? Rav Papa. These are Amoraim. Rav Papa, Rav Huna bar Rebbe Yehoshua. They said because in their time b'zman hazeh no base hamikdash, chadash b'chutz la'aretz d'rabbanan. Now, as you all know, in America in chutz la'aretz we do two-day Yom Tov. This year, I know. I know. Three-day Yom Tov. But we do it two-day Yom Tov. What does a two-day Yom Tov mean? Because of the safek. Because until people in chutz la'aretz heard that that that they that they the mechazkei chodesh you could do a month could be either 30 31 days. And they don't know. They don't know. Maybe it was a 31-day month. So the first day of Yom Tov is not on the 15th, on the 16th. So they were makpid and they for the safek they did two days. But then came along Hillel and he made the the calendar and there's So until this day we don't have we don't rely on the Beis Din to do the kidush hachodesh. We have a calendar. But this this this safek remains. This this idea of doing two-day Yom Tov. So they say Rav Papa they weren't concerned about the safek. Memeilah maybe it's the 16th, maybe it's the 17th. Maybe the 16th it maybe in chutz la'aretz really 17th is the second day of of of Yom Tov. For that they're not they're not worried. Rav Avahu and Rav Ashi the son of Rebbe Yehoshua. And the Rabbanan the talmidim of Rav Ashi from the yeshiva of Rav Ashi, they ate in the morning of the 17th. Why? Cuz they hold it's d'oraisa. You hear? These are Amoraim in the after the churban they said chadash is d'oraisa. So we have two shittos. Chadash b'zman hazeh is d'rabbanan. Chadash b'zman hazeh is d'oraisa. Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai mid'rabbanan omer. The reason Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakkai said that he was maskin shouldn't eat all days is it was mid'rabbanan. B'hi takin l'yom ha'omer l'safek l'takin. He didn't do it on a safek on a day on a day that we don't know like oh, maybe the 17th is also uh the first day of Chol HaMoed. No. He's not going to go with the safek. One day. Omer Rabbeinu. Says Rabbeinu "Omer l'aim." And this is how we pasken. This is how the Shulchan Aruch paskens. Avuch lo hava ochel chadash al b'yom tov. He's in chutz la'aretz. Your father, she told him the mother told the son your father I guess he didn't have a father. He was niftar at a young age. Avuch lo hava ochel chadash al b'yom tov de shishata nagid t'minaisa. He wasn't He didn't eat on the whole 17th. He waited until the night of the 17th to go into day two. The safek of Rebbe Yehudah because he holds like Rebbe Yehudah that the whole day is ossur. V'chaish l'safek he was chaish that in America in chutz la'aretz for the two-day Yom Tov so memeilah he went all the way to the 18th until he started eating chadash. The bottom line is that it seems like from this sugiyah that either it's issur d'oraisa to eat chadash b'zman hazeh or it's issur d'rabbanan. And let me just Now I'm going to After all that I looked it on the plane I found it in Hebrew and in English. I'm going to read the art scroll. You can read it with me. It's uh oist 20. The Gamara has thus presented a dispute as to whether kholish is prohibited outside of Israel under biblical or rabbinical law. According to the father of Ravina as well as the scholars of Rav Ashi's school, the prohibition is biblical. This view is codified in the major halakhic works Rif Rambam, Rosh, Tur, and Shulchan Aruch. Yoreh De'ah. So, this brought down the halakha. It's issur d'oraita. That's why Shulchan Aruch, that's why Sefardim, they keep the makpid on kholish b'zman hazeh. Great. Be'ur Halakha. Other rishonim though contend that kholish should be prohibited outside of the holy land only by rabbinic law. It's d'Rabbanan. Nu. D'Rabbanan's a a a joke. We're not Everything we do today is d'Rabbanan, right? A joke is okay? Since according to either view, kholish is forbidden outside Eretz Yisrael, the authorities struggled to justify the lack of adherence to this restriction among communities in the diaspora. A Baruch She'amar to the art scroll. They struggle. You know, how do you say struggle in Yiddish? Memutza. Very good. Perfect. That was a great That's a great translation. Memutza. Memutza. Yeah, that's it. I'm not the the lo yosair. So, that's why I talk about it. I'm not pushing. I I need to tell you the facts. That's it. I don't want Klal Yisrael to go their entire life and say, "No, it's mutar 100%." These weirdos over there, they go with the books and they look for the codes of the cereal, this code, that code. They're not weirdos. You might be the weirdo that you're not makpid on it. That's all I'm saying. A a a good Yid should be makpid on it l'chumra. Is there a heter? And that's the Bach. And that's it. What is the Bach? The Bach says it's a safek s'feika. It's a safek if it's in if it applies to Klal Yisrael or if it's d'Rabbanan or d'oraita. So, it's it's a They're not paskening to the Bach, but okay. I'm saying the Shulchan Aruch paskens in Shulchan Aruch also that it's d'oraita. Paskening is d'oraita. D'Rabbanan They're They're other [laughter] choices of d'Rabbanan. Fine. I'm just saying, if you're makpid on it, you're not going to lose out. You're not You're not a weirdo. You're not doing a crazy chumra. You might even be uh saving yourself from the d'oraita. Struggle. Nachman. What did you say? Memutza. Since you're going to The authorities struggled to justify the lack of adherence to this restriction among communities of the diaspora. See Bach, uh Ramataz to Yoreh De'ah, and Yeshua. These are the Okay. Uh but at least you know, if you're you're not makpid, at least you know why you're not makpid. Zakh the Mishna. Omer o yom atzei b'Medina u'shtei lechem b'Mikdash. Oh. So, this is halakha that not a lot of people know. The Omer the mincha soimer comes to allow you to eat the new crop. U'shtei lechem b'Mikdash. Mom's called down. I came prepared cuz I knew this is going to happen. I apologize. At this time now I have to I have to put some drops in cuz it's already about 5:00, 6:00 in the morning. Now here, if you are in a country and it's 5:00 in the morning for you, and you go on a plane and you land in another country, it doesn't change the time. It's not like, "Oh, you're in America, so that's only 11:00." No, it's 5:00 in the morning for me. I need to go to sleep. You need [laughter] to wake up. I need to wake up. Yeah. Baruch Hashem. Omer o yom atzei b'Medina u'shtei lechem b'Mikdash. The the >> [clears throat] >> the mincha soimer comes to allow you to eat the new crop. And the two breads of Shavuos Did anybody know this? People who don't learn daf yomi, do they know this? The two breads of Shavuos come to allow you to do things in the Beit Hamikdash. What? Ein mevi'in minchat bikurim. You cannot bring any mincha or the fruit u'minchat beheima The mincha that comes together with the beheima or a korban in other words. Kodim [snorts] l'Omer. You can't do this before the Omer. Now of course, if may be pasul if he brought uh a mincha from the new crop before they brought the Omer, it's no good. Kodim l'shtei lechem lo yavi. Im hevi Im hevi kasher. You hear this? The In the Beit Hamikdash, you have to wait until the two breads come in Shavuos. You have to wait 50 more days than than the rest of Klal Yisrael. They wait all the way to Shavuos. Im hevi kasher. Rebbe Ovadia said, "This is an aggadah. You got to hear this story. This is a crazy story." This is uh this is not pashut. It's one of these stories that uh you're going to have a a tough time forgetting or understanding. You also Rebbe Tarfon big kashya. Rebbe Tarfon big godol Tarfon. Yeah? I believe he was Rebbe Akiva's rebbe even. >> [snorts] >> What? Chavrusa. That's right. Okay, chavrusa, but Yeah, okay. I'm not going to argue on that. But there might have been It was a little bit a little bit of a No, maybe not. You also [snorts] Rebbe Tarfon big kashya. Mevi'in kodim l'Omer l'kodim shtei lechem. Why is there a difference between bringing a korban before the Omer and bringing it before the two breads? That the Mishna said, if you bring it before the Omer, you shouldn't, but if you did, no good. And if you bring before between between after you brought Omer and Shavuos, if you brought it, you shouldn't bring it, but if you brought it, it is good. Why is before the Omer no good and before the shtei lechem is good? Omer Rebbe Elazar ben Azarya. Which the Gamara seems to say that he said the right thing. But it was his attitude that killed the that killed it. He says, he tells Rebbe Tarfon, "Loy." Im amar kodim l'Omer u'shtei lechem lo yavi, kol leitz al hadya. There's a big difference. Because right before the Omer, nobody's allowed to eat anything. Omer kodim l'shtei lechem u'shtei lechem kol leitz al hadya. But after the Omer came, Klal Yisrael was allowed to eat from the new crop. So, we kind of let it slide a little bit. So, no So, for the Beit Hamikdash, it's not ready. But if you brought it, we'll we'll we'll let it slide this time. You hear what he's saying? U'chud m'klali. The Omer allowed Klal Yisrael to eat it. So, may that's it's it's b'di'avad it'll be okay for the Beit Hamikdash. You shouldn't, but if you did it, we'll we'll say it's okay cuz cuz the rest of Klal Yisrael is eating this food. Shatak Rebbe Tarfon. Rebbe Tarfon didn't answer. What does that usually indicate? Sh'tika k'hoda'ah. Sh'tika k'hoda'ah. Psh. What's your name again? Remind me. >> Yossi. Yossi. Yossi Solomon says, "Sh'tika k'hoda'ah." Beautiful. Sh'gogi u'meizid Wow. Where is not Where is it? No, no, no. No, not sh'gogi u'meizid. Sh'tika k'hoda'ah. He agreed. Otherwise, he would have ripped him apart. He would have told him, "No." He would have told him right away why he's wrong. He didn't say anything. Nu, what happens when when you get the Rebbe Shimon good? You got him good. He has a question, he doesn't know the answer, and you know the answer, and he doesn't know. So, you feel really good about yourself. But do you Do you show him that he's What do you do? How do you do it? So, says the Gamara, tzavu panav shel Rebbe Yehuda ben Nachmani. They take out the rebbe, I think. Yeah, they take out the rebbe. Tzavu panav shel Yehuda ben Nachmani. He was super excited. He was smiling. "I got you. I got you." To the point where Rebbe Akiva saw the whole thing. Rebbe Akiva was very very upset at him. Omer Rebbe Akiva, Yehuda, tzavu panekha shel shabbat tzei okin. I see that you're super excited because you answered the old man the the godol hador. Tzmihani im tarikh yamim. I wonder if you are going to live a long life. There are those who explain it as a curse, he cursed him. Those explain it as as a matter of fact. It doesn't make sense when you act the way you just acted that you're going to live a long life. Says the Gamara, what The story continues. Omer Rebbe Yehuda bar Rebbe Ilai, the famous Rebbe Yehuda the the the Rebbe Yehuda of Shas. Rebbe Yehuda bar Rebbe Ilai Oisa ya perek. Rebbe Ovadia said, "This blew me away." Right now, it's motzei Rosh Chodesh. But when I said the shiur in Hebrew and when I was learning this Gamara, oisa ya perek proisa pesach Proisa means half. Half means it's two weeks before Pesach. You know, it was literally today. It's like uh it was a coin A kiss from Hashem. Coincidence that the day of the year is brought down on today's daf. It was proisa pesach ya. It was two weeks before Pesach. Shalish la'tzeit shali acharon. I wanted to know what's going on with Yehuda ben Nachmani. Cuz I remember Rebbe Akiva was very tough about him. And he said, "You're not You're not going to be makpid on him." So, let's let's do the math. This was >> [clears throat] >> He went all the way to Shavuos. So, Shavuos is 50 days plus another 15 days, let's say. So, kintzer uh 65 days later. 65 days after the story, he's asking around about him. Eich hu nu? Where is he? How do you get the 75? V'amru li Si- uh 50 plus 15 or 14 65 volume really was Nifter and he left us. By the way, this is the that whole thing between Pesach and Shavuos is when 24,000 tell me the number of because also an idea of not to be covered with the bottle. Not to give the proper respect to your friend to to to another person to another human being to a bottle. According though you would have said a good thing though we're talking and agreed with him. The what? That is a difference between the stay alive him and the when the you bring the Omer it's why is already it already brought a header. So he says the could have played in the Omer shame. Now the wine they bring in the you bring the wine is something that flies shows a lot of drink. So if you brought it before the Omer it's kosher. She thought flies shows gets to drink it. Now the same in the claw it's a lot of it. When the Omer comes it allows the new crop to be eaten so it made a header. I love the claw the light. But over here there was never a header cuz people were drinking this wine the whole year so that never became motor. It's a claw. No. Okay. You you're saying it's a bad thing that it didn't come with her. I don't have it's a good thing that it never in other words what's better? Something that was also also also and then it became motor or something that was never also to begin with. So the thought that there's a have a minute to say that wine since it was never also people constantly drink wine. So there's no header and therefore it should be a problem to bring them in the no for carrot since you don't need a header because people are constantly drinking it but may like you bring it for the sake of him. I think we'll stop right over here. Have a voice I have a wonderful day. Thank you for having me. Don't forget the bench. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. mdysponsor.com or [email protected]