Daf Yomi Menachos Daf 38 by R' Eli Stefansky

[music] [singing] >> With us today, very very kosher of a guest. What? The one and only my shver. Dr. Friedman from Chicago. Shver dad. Now, mix shvoger before him. Not only is my father-in-law one of the greatest head and neck surgeons in the world. Gives out talks around the world and invented many many different inyonim. He also trained me back in the day. I'm also a shver surgeon. You can ask him. I did surgery with him a few times. >> [clears throat] >> But more importantly for me and for my mishpacha my father-in-law is a masmid. Also, he knows how to learn like you can't even imagine. He gives a shiur every single Shabbos for many many years, probably 20 30 years. On Shabbosim, on Yom Tovim in the hotel. He's a daf yomi meshugana. Never misses a day. And he's a very very good learner, but he's a masmid. What I mean by masmid, I spent hundreds of Shabbosim in his house. I lived there for a few months at a time. And you come there 4:00 5:00 in the morning, he's there with the Gemara. Always with the Gemara. Any available moment that the man has, he's learning Torah or spending it with his grandchildren. But he's learning Torah. So it's He's here. I think I'm going to invite him a little bit to cover for him. If you allow me, could I say over the mic, Reb Dov? Yeah, do I have a choice? Huh? I'll give you a chance. No, it's a big kizzuk. Seriously, this is a story I said over a number of times, but my father-in-law is here and he'll correct me on on the the exact details of the story cuz it's a story of kizzuk. So, I know he's not going to like it 100%, but I I thought we'd be okay. The koved the oilam will be mevater. My father-in-law had a problem with his bachur. He wasn't doing well in yeshiva. He was uh to say the least, he wasn't he wasn't a he wasn't learning very much. So, my father-in-law went to uh Reb Tzvi Kamenetzky in in Chicago and the Rebbi over there and he said, "What am I going to do with Moishe? He's not he's not learning." So, he looked at him very bluntly and said, "Do you learn? What what kind of hashpa'ah do you have on your son? You're a surgeon. All you do the whole day is work work work. What about Torah?" So, my father-in-law took it very very seriously. And uh I don't know if it was the next day, I'll tell you. He went and he got a chavrusah Reb Dovid, what's his last name? >> Oppenheimer. Reb Dovid Oppenheimer. This is talking about 35 years ago, maybe more. How many years ago? Mhm, probably uh 40, more than 40. [snorts] >> More than 40 years ago. And they've never missed a day of learning in 40 years. I mean, maybe when he was when he had COVID and he was dying in the hospital, Reb Dovid Reb Dovid, but in the snow when there's 2 ft of snow, he walks into Lincolnwood and then my father-in-law drives to him and they never missed a day. And he became a huge masmid. And in fact, the son is a famous rosh yeshiva today in Yeshivas in Yerushalayim. He's a big masmid, a tremendous talmid chacham. So, it it's it goes to show, right? Is there What do you want to be masif to the story? Yeah, I can't say that speak. Yeah, but you're right. It's it's it's that one day. That one that one line. One line. Okay. It's true. What did he say? What was his line? He said if he want to learn you have to learn. It was simple. Wow. A simple idea. All right. What's your name? Yehuda Mond. From Baltimore? >> Baltimore. Your name? Jeff Aschkenasy. From? Woodmere. Woodmere. Shalom aleichem. Your brother. Shalom aleichem. What's your name? From Saunders. Wow, he's a real Manchester. Wow, unbelievable. And your name? From Vanning? Liberty, New York. Liberty, New York. Wow. Remind me your name. I was I missed you. Matty what? From also England. And you used to come every single day with Ari Simon and then you disappeared for months and I asked him what happened to you? You left the Yeshiva. You're back in England? So you came to visit now? Used to come every day. Did you keep up with the daf while you were gone? MS? How old are you now? 15. You kept up with the daf. Good for you. Good for you. What's your Ali? Shalom aleichem. I get to see you on Yom Tov. Now you're driving the shofar around. I'm sorry. Okay, you're wealthy. Wow. So you're getting paid to watch the shiur live. Wow, what a deal. What a deal. Who else? You in the back back. You want to say shalom aleichem? From Queens. Shalom aleichem. Mickey. Everybody else? Who? Shalom aleichem. What's your name? From? Los Angeles. Oh. Wealthy. Shalom aleichem. Great. You? No. No. No. Anybody? There's more. What's your name? Yours? Oh, you. Yeah. From where? Baltimore. And you're his son, right? Shalom aleichem. Work for Chevra Hatzalah. Okay, you're wealthy. What's your first name? Uh, David. David. We're not going to tell somebody that you're here instead of working, right? That's what >> [laughter] >> He's got it on the download. He's got it on the download. Um, [clears throat] what is this? Oh, this is uh by Mayor Bloomberg Hassidic Hebrew. Rabbi Stroh, our the official the official not our official but we call them the officials in the center. And uh Rabbi Aryeh Blau, Mayor Bloomberg got the Hassidic Hebrew. Uh, MDY Williamsburg satellite location market is open. >> here in Williamsburg and I'm just uh passing through so I figured I'd stop in at the >> over there. Williamsburg Shear Watch. Wait, wait, wait. In Williamsburg, listen, in Williamsburg it's not a joke. Okay. Um I guess we'll just uh skip these things now. Oh, I I like the beginning of this. Video from Lior Golden. 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I think that's how you pronounce it. Yeah, Book Holtz. So, baruch Hashem, no tachnun. I always I get sandek calls whenever there's no tachnun. Anyway, what? [laughter] Mamesh. Could push it off by a day, something. And I do want to give a to all those who donated to my son Lozi's campaign. I've been running to give a thousand dollars. My father gave 3600 dollars. Kids are you scared to die alone. The market all these guys they jumped in they gave made him feel great. They made me also feel like No, he didn't. No, no. Oh, the 16 guys got a thousand Yeah, cuz the The the relentless was relentless. Okay, you have a good day. You should go out you should have a lot of success. Says the more holding by six years zoo the moment on the base Like 15 lines from the bottom 12 50 lines new year. Says in the Mishnah that the four sixes if you don't have all four then you can't wear sixes. I have a six years ago zoo. It's one minute so comes you small says all four are four minutes. I think you might be right at the end of the day you have to wear a beggar that has four corners with four sixes. So where is the next coming in whether it's one minute or four different minutes. Says the more a number of differences. I'm going to be a sudden six years ago zoo. You have it already. You guys have it? You with us? Good. So I would sit this meaning if you have a a garment that's made out of stone and Oh, I see. Okay, I'll talk about it soon. Remind me Gerson put it in Dave somebody remind me that I have to do the the colon thing. By the turning of the hour we'll talk about it. So if a person has only three sixes. Now we know We're going to be talking with we're starting tails today so we might as well show you. The blue string in the sixes is made out of wool. Has to be made out of The beged, the sadin is made out of pishtan. So, what we have here is a problem of several pishtan of shaatnez. So, if it's the mitzvah of tzitzis, great. But, what happened was you don't have all four. You only have three out of the four. So, you have a problem of shaatnez. According to Hachamim, you need four. And you only have three, so you're walking around with shaatnez. You're going to have to take the beged off. According to Rabbi Shmuel that each one of the tzitzis is a mitzvah from the atzmo, it's its own mitzvah. So, if you're wearing three, you're also mikayev the mitzvah. It's not shaatnez. The tzemer, the wool that you have on your on your three tzitzis is part of the mitzvah. You're mikayev the mitzvah. That's nafka mina number one. Rava bar Rav Huna amar tal ba'al Hachamim she gibinayu. If a person has something like this, five corners, so according to Tanna Kamma, you put on four tzitzis. According to Rabbi Shmuel, each one is a mitzvah from the atzmo, so you would have to put on five. Ravina amar Rav Huna gibinayu, there's a there's a a nafka mina in Rav Huna. D'amar Rav Huna, I'll tell you this. There's a maiseh that he heard from the Sam Sofer. What happens if you have a guy that's in the process of giyur, he's not sure if he's a ger or not. He didn't dunk in the mikvah 100%. He really He has a safek. So, he has a safek. I don't know what Whatever the safek is, there's always a safek, right? So, now he has a major problem on Shabbos. If he's not mechallel Shabbos and he's a a who's not mechallel Shabbos is chayav misah. If he is mechallel Shabbos and he's a Jew, she's chayav misah. So, what should he do? What should he do? So, the Sam Sofer comes up with a great chab. He says he should wear tzitzis in a reshus harabim. Why? Because the strings of a tzitzis, if they're not if they're tzitzis and they they have a mitzvah, then they're part of the beged, the bottle of the beged, then you're not carrying. But if they're not part of the if they're not a mitzvah, if he's a and he's not a mechayev the mitzvah of tzitzis, then they're not part of the beged, they have a chashivus bifnei atzmo. It's not like a string coming off a beged that will be bottle, it's not bottle to the beged. And therefore he's carrying in reshusa rabim, so he's mechallel Shabbos. And if he's he's a he's mechallel Shabbos, it's great. And if he's a Jew, then it's a good tzitzis, so then he's not carrying, so it's good. That's his chov. That's the Chasam Sofer. So that's what the Gemara says over here. Now that we know that, the Omra Ravuna Yitzchak bar Oshaya says it's kilchasa. If a person walks out in the reshusa rabim, let's say with three tzitzis, so now the tzitzis become a massa, they become a burden. He's carrying tzitzis. B'Shabbos chayiv chatis. According to Rebbi Shmuel, he'd be patur. Why? Because three is also good. So he's not chayiv anything. According to the Tanna Kamma, three is nothing. So he's carrying three, it's like carrying a bag of tzitzis around. Nothing to do with your tzitzis and that that's also that's a chiyuv chatis. Omra Rebbi Shishis bar Rebbi Idi Hayman the Batsli Glimei l'olam d'lo yiklu. If a person thinks that of themself that he's going to get away with getting rid of the fourth corner, he won't be chayiv a tzitzis. He didn't do anything, he cut off the corner. He did something like this, I guess. Shavita ba'al chometz. So by cutting the corner, all you did is you added another corner. Omra Rebbi Shishis, you ever see these guys walking around with frocks? The frock is really four corners. So what do they do? They if you take a notice, you'll see the one of the back corners, they they round it out. So is that okay? That's what the Gemara is discussing here. This guy, he made a mistake, he didn't round it out. He cut it on a straight angle. Oh, so now he created five corners. With not on me. Uh, no. What if he ties it up? He ties up the corner in a circle. Something like this, he circles it out a little bit. This is not so much circle, but it was in a circle. Because you tied it, the the knot is nothing. We we just view it as if it's completely untied and it's got a regular garment of four corners with not on me. If you have uh a jug, something like this. You try to make a jug out of a piece of leather by tying it, that's nothing. It's not a jug. It's not a cleat. Uh, cleat is mikabel tumah, but a piece of leather is not mikabel tumah. The way you try to create a jug was by tying it, that knot is not enough. You need a sew it. You need to do something serious. If they're Arabs, that's the derech to use it like that. So, that's the way it's a cleat. But, you you're not an Arab. You don't tie up a piece of hide and make it into a jug. Therefore, it's not mikabel tumah. In other words, what we see from here is that by tying something, that's not enough. That doesn't change the tsurah of the beged or the cleat. A person actually sews the corner of his garment and he makes it in a circle like they do in the frock. There's a guy I once saw a guy in a shul walking with a frock with tzitzis. Has anybody ever seen this? Yes. You've seen it in New York. >> They also with a jacket also. With a jacket? >> short jacket. That would be a shtickel. I think it's a shtickel you are. I don't know what it is. It's it's just It could be a guy mentally ill. He was also like a mentally ill. He had Oh. I have seen it everywhere. Everywhere. >> [laughter] >> If he wasn't mentally ill before, he was mentally ill after. Ish koach. I appreciate the comment. >> [laughter] >> I'm not kind of giving away. Not sure. You don't have tzitzis on your thing? On my what? I don't know. On your jogging No, no. >> somewhere. If he really didn't want that corner, he should have cut it out. Why did he sew it up? So, the sewing doesn't do any much. So, Reb Shmuel holds just going back to that Mishnah, Reb Shmuel holds that each tzitzis is a mitzvah if not more. Reb Yehudah Shmuel Reb Shmuel He starts off saying that when we're talking about shatnez, when we're talking about Shabbos, uh five five corners, whatever the nafka minahs are, the halacha like Reb Shmuel, you put on tzitzis on all five corners. You're not over on shatnez. You're not over on Shabbos. But, the Gemara says the later Sugos of the Gemara say, "But, we don't pasken like Shmuel." And the Gemara that was not not like Reb Shmuel, and you would need all four tzitzis, and you would be over on shatnez, you would be over on Shabbos. Reb Nachman also said, "Story." Reb Nachman also said to Mar bar Rav Ashi be shatz of the rigla. It was on Shabbos right before Yom Tov where there's a drasha, and he's walking behind Mar bar Rav Ashi. If sak kind of the chuta, he noticed that one of the tzitzis popped out. Where's my tzitzis here? I don't know if we have one. Oh, no. Oh. Oh, here we go. This corner is missing completely. He noticed it popped out. Now, here's a good shaila. What would you do? What would everybody here do? Think about it. You see somebody walking with a shishara without tzitzis. You see somebody walking with a certain jacket that you know that boss that Canali, whatever the What's the famous Giorgio Armani? I don't know what has shot this. There's certain companies that 100% have shot this. You see the guy walking with a brand new tag that shot. Do you tell him in the middle of the street surrounded that is shot this and therefore he has to take off his his trousers in the middle of the street or you're going to be a nice guy, let him get home and when he as he opens up the door he says, "By the way, did you check for shot this?" What would you do? Most of us would just let him go. Seems like from the Gamara that you're not allowed to let him go. You got to stop him straight there in the middle of the street surrounded. Reminds me a story they say about a certain Godel. I'm not going to say his name cuz it's very possible it's not a true story. Not not that it's a bad about the Godel, but I don't know. I think it's a it might be a made up story. Maybe. Who knows? Some guy lets came over to a Godel in Bnei Brak and said, "Your pants are are shot this." In the middle of the street in the middle of Bnei Brak. So, he took off his pants. He really felt really bad. He didn't think he's going to take it off right there. So, he said, "No, no, I was just joking. I was just a joke. Just a joke." So, he says, "Once you say it, you don't have a right to take it back." And he had to walk home like that. My sister come out to you. Oh. So, says the Gamara, he didn't mention a word to him. In other words, he was worried that he's going to have to take off his shirt in public and this is my brother of Ashi Godol Ador. You don't do that to him. When he got home he said, "Reb Nehemiah tells him, you know, I noticed three blocks earlier that's when your tsitsis became possul." Reb Nehemiah tells him, "If you would have told me over there, if you would have told me over there, I would have removed my garment." Now, let's ask the question. Why why would he remove the garment? He has three tsitsis. What's wrong with three tsitsis? According to Reb Nehemiah, if you have a garment with four corners and you have three tsitsis, you keep on wearing it. Each one is a mitzvah. Obviously, we don't pass him Rebbi Shimon. We pass like Chachamim that you don't You have to wear You have to have four. That's the Gemara of all my my God the cover of Brius should like this like this should be Torah. There's a concept of human dignity that if a person could be embarrassed or pushed off even a Lo Sason the Torah. We have to see what that means. The Gemara right away says it's not true. Take them all Rabbi Shimon made of Kahana. The Lo Sason, not true. Not true. There's only one time that you're allowed to break of the Orisa when you're embarrassed. So, a lot of people take this as a This idea they take it for Shabbos. I don't know I'm not passing a law cuz I'm saying I'm throwing this out there. You probably should ask a rabbi. Although, you can't ask a rabbi because the situation is in the bathroom. You're on Shabbos and there's toilet paper and it's not torn. You What are you going to do? And it's human dignity. So, a lot of people say you're allowed to rip because of cover of Brius and you have to ask your local I'm not even I'm just throwing out where it comes into Rashi brings that it's also toilet paper of those days. It's talking about the stones. A stone on Shabbos is Muktza. Muktza is the Rabbonon. So, when it comes to Lo Sason, what's Lo Sason? The famous everybody in Israel knows Lo Sason. They they apply it also to them in our days. Are they allowed to name? But it says Pias Torah Yirucha al Mishpat Yomi Tasa. Whatever the the Chachamim We're going to go with the Chachamim, the Tanoim, the Amoraim. Lo Sason min ha Dover she Lo Chochamim You're not allowed to veer to the right or to the left of what they tell you. So, Chachamim said there's a concept called Muktza. Muktza. Muktza A lot of people when people on Mechalel Shabbos will get say oh it's Muktza. No. The Mechalel Shabbos that's the Orisa and Muktza is the rabana. Muktza means you can't touch certain items because you might come to do a melacha. So, one of the items is a stone. A stone is like a really bad muktza. It's even worse than, let's say, a telephone or something like a device. A stone is muktza machmaso gufo, it has no purpose unless you set it aside before shabbos. So, the chachamim said it's it's muktza. Chachamim were mochel on their own kavod. They said, "We we established that this is called muktza in this situation because you're you're you're very embarrassed. We're removing our restriction. You're allowed to touch muktza on shabbos. You need to use a stone for the bathroom? Can you imagine those days using stones for toilet paper? Shame yerachem, I don't want to go there." Yeah. But, az it is, and they they removed it. So, don't get confused, the gemara says. You We're talking about it. Is it de oraisa or is it de rabana? If you can't wear tzitzis on shabbos arur, you you're carrying a shabbos arur, you can't use all human dignity to cover that bris. That don't That only applies by a chachamim, by a issur de rabana. By the way, the Rabbeinu Yonah says that this this issur of lo yisa'ser, of issur de rabana, sometimes is worse than de oraisa. When? When a person says, "Ah, it's only de rabana." When a person says, "It's only de rabana," so now he made the issur of lo yisa'ser a joke. He made fun of the issur of lo yisa'ser. And that's worse than any other issur. What? Yeah. No, I'm saying if a person eats chazer, so you have a ta'avah to eat chazer. You didn't make fun of the Torah. He was over on chazer. But, when a person says, "Ah, it's only de rabana. Who cares? I'm only makpid on de oraisas." Then he's he's making fun of this pasuk right over here. "Lo yisa'ser min ha'da'as." You give a kinyan min ha'da'as. This is Rabbeinu Yonah Rishon. Big diamond, some people say the story was the opposite. Maharsham Amalek, when his tzitzis [clears throat] ripped in middle of street, Ravina made a comment and said, "Hey, my Rav Avashi, his tzitzis ripped." Rav Amaleh my day talk, why are you telling me this? Lemish day you want me to remove my shirt? Rav Amaleh matter. Gotta cover up briyos. Should I say tzitzis over there? I don't have to remove my shirt. I heard a This is This is emes. This is the maiseh shai. There's a guy here in Beit Shemesh that, you know, younger guys go to him and ask him shailos in halacha. I know the person that I said, "I don't understand something. Why are you answering them halacha? Did you ever learn halacha? Do you know halacha?" He says, "No." He says, "So, why are you passing shailos?" He says, "Gotta cover up briyos, cuz they come to me and now I'm embarrassed to say I don't know halacha. So, gotta cover up briyos." He said, "But, wait a minute, but you're you're you might be you machshil them in deraisos." He says, "But, I have a rov. Most of my psakim are good, so it's botel berov." He starts giving him a whole Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, Tiyug Amora, Rav Bar Shvoka made it Rav Kahana, but wait a minute. And this is going back chazarah We have a little chazarah today Baruch Hashem on base also. We're just doing over the sugi, but in reverse. But, but how can you not remove your shirt in the middle of the street? This idea of human dignity of koved habriyos is only on a derabanan. But, Tiyug Amora, Rav Shvoka made it Rav Kahana. Beloved Beloved is also It's only in derabanan. By the way, stama interesting halacha that I that I noticed somebody was talking about a certain halacha like on Shabbos if you wear a tallis, you'll notice some people have a busha to go around without a tallis. I'm a married person, I'm going to be in shul without a tallis? It's a busha. So, a person like that could be some on koved habriyos on Shabbos to walk around with that tallis that's not really has the enough tzitzis, whereas a person who has no busha and couldn't care less, he's not allowed to wear it. It has to do with human dignity, they say. Okay. I go by what the says I mean this story Carmel's the rabbonim this was uh uh area like a field which is not a reshus harabim and the whole list of the carried there was the rabbonim so once again rabbonim relaxed their issur of of of muktzah of whatever it is of carrying sorry of carrying in a carmelis because of the busha that Mar Bar Ravashi had with that had a coin mint had a coin mint had a coin mint. So we're starting perek techeiles and it says a techeiles ainam makeavis I just want to throw this in. We were talking the whole perek that we just learned are things that are makeavis one another things that are important like the tzitzis we just said the four is a very important you can't walk around with three and now we're going to talk about things that don't are not makeavis. How do you say makeavis in English? Huh? No. Not men. Dependent maybe? I don't know. Essential? Essential. So I just want to give you a little rundown. I do this once in a while here I have a little bit extra. As you know I I dive in for many years in my father-in-law's shul in Lakewood and we have a very very kosher rav there who's actually moving to Eretz Yisrael if you didn't already. Uh Rabbi Chaim Twerski tremendous tremendous talmid chacham a big big anderson big baal kishron and he knows a lot about science and all math and all the stuff. And he once gave a very very powerful speech about techeiles in shul and many people in shul started wearing techeiles after that including my father-in-law and his brother and his sons. And I I I heard the speech and I I was okay. Eight years ago they asked me speak here in in Shimon, and I said, "Okay, I'll speak about this cuz I wanted to do this Sugya." So, I read a few Seforim and books about it. And I gave a speech. It was the first time that somebody actually got up in Bnei Shimon. I had charts and pictures and a whole thing. >> [clears throat] >> And after the speech, a few people came over to me and said, "I understand you just convinced everybody that they should wear this. You weren't so you're biased to one side." So, you're biased to one side, how come you don't wear this? I was like, "Oh, you're right." Okay. So, I started wearing this. So, that was eight years ago. What was the speech? The regular this. The bottom line about the whole thing in this whole controversy, call it a controversy of this, is that 99% almost everybody agrees that if you do it, if you do wear this, you're not over anything. The only thing you're over is the task. You spent 240 shekels on a pair of this. That's basically the only problem. >> [clears throat] >> So, it starts with the Regina. And I bring him in here because the Regina Rebbe, who was a huge scholar, wrote Seforim. Regina, Razin, Razin, in Hebrew, Razin, okay? Razin. He went on a campaign to find the this. He figured he could find it. And he went spent many months in an aquarium and went through all the different fish. And it was the first time it was like in a big aquarium in Europe. And he went and he checked all the fish. And he decided at the end of the day, he decided it's this fish, the cuttlefish. And the problem is that it doesn't have blue dye. So, they took the blood, they took the scientists and chemists, and they they discovered if they add a certain chemical to it, it turns blue. All right, the the day long had they didn't like it. They all came out the of and this and that can't be. And what happened was at the end they figured out that if you take that chemical and you add it to the blood of a of a cow, it turns to the same blue. That's a big, big problem. And uh also this blue, if you put it in the washing machine, you wash it, it it comes right out. And we know that techeiles is something that stays in the tzitzis and it can't come out. Fast forward many years, they found that the Gemara says that there's a few simanim. First of all, they made it between Sida and and and Haifa, like I forgot the exact area, but it's on it's by the ocean. It only comes up every 70 years, doesn't come up. And it's a chilazon. And the chilazon in Hebrew is a snail, which doesn't doesn't mean much in this sugya cuz it could be something else. But Rashi does say somewhere that it has a shell. Now, cuttlefish is a regular fish, doesn't have a shell. So, it has a shell. Seems like it's some sort of snail. And they go on there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, a lot. And they go on to say that they found from Lebanon all the way down throughout the whole shore, they found millions of these and here this is what it looks like. This this is the the the shell of the murex, famous murex trunculus, whatever it's called. And they found that the in one situation they found a pit the size of a football field with millions and millions of these shells and that rise they extracted. Now, one of the arguments is and there's a lot of arguments both ways that maybe they're just extracting it because when you pull the blood out it has a little sack. My mother said the Gemara says it's not the blood, it's a sack. You pop pop it out and the color is argaman. Purple. I had the thing, I forgot to bring it today. Beautiful purple. You have purple? Yeah, so send it this way. >> [snorts] >> I have a I see a bunch of people that already came. Uh Oh, the argaman. Here we go. Oh, a whole box. Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah. Shkoyach. Yeah, this I have. The argaman. So, this is argaman. Yeah, it's a beautiful purple. And so maybe they were doing it for the argaman they discovered they didn't know what to do. What do you do with with this it seems right. It seems like it's the right thing. And then they discovered some sort of in the process and that's what we're going to see on Motzei Shabbos. By the way, Shiur Motzei Shabbos in um Tilt Cheilet Tilt in Kiryat David the Hebrew Shiur basically is already sold out. You have to register. The English Shiur I never said you have to register so nobody registered yet. So I'm saying today that please register. There's only room for like I don't know 200 people maybe and uh we have to know how much food and whatever to So in the middle of the process of the if you stop it you bring it into sunlight it turns into blue. So okay. So it turns into blue. Now one of the fascinating things about this and this is what really got me is that the Gemara says there's something called Koli Ilan. It exists till this very day. It's called indigo. Gemara says that the color of indigo the blue that comes and I have to say this also there is no blue in nature. There's no blue dye. They couldn't make anything blue in those days. The only way they can make it is from two things. From indigo and from this murex or what we think from the from the Chilazon whatever the Chilazon is. And and that's one of the reasons why the Romans at a certain point said nobody could use you can't you can't produce Chailos. The stopped Chailos. The Amoraim were still wearing Chailos. The way past the Medrash that says that Chailos was Nignaz which Rav Chaim Kanievsky always quotes. The It's Mefurash in the Gemara that certain Amoraim were wearing Chailos and it's many generations after that. So but why did they bury it? Because it was so important to them. They all the kings wore Chailos and they didn't want the commoners to stop Chailos and they buried it. That's what the historians say. Al Kol Panim. This is all circumstantial. There's no 100% evidence but one of the crazy things, and this is what I showed back then in middle shear, is that the Gamorah says that indigo and chailus are exactly the same color, and whoever tries to pass off a pair of indigo tzitzis as if he's selling chailus, Hakadosh Baruch Hu is going to give him a really bad punishment because only Hakadosh Baruch Hu could tell the difference. And what got me, the one of the things, is that this is indigo. And every every uh everything in this world has a molecular composition. And the composition of indigo is this number right over here, C16H10, da da da. It happens to be that this murex dye is exactly the same composition. It has the exact numbers, everything, one to one. And it's very rare to have two things in the universe that one one is uh a living creature and one is a plant to have the same exact composition. Ain Sham or the other name. But it is a similar color, very and the chailus that they have doesn't wash out. And the fact that you don't really lose. Okay, so now you have the problem, the big big number one kasha that everybody has. The number one is if it's so true and it's so real, why didn't Reb Chaim Kanievsky wear it? And why didn't Reb Elyashiv wear it? So there's a story that they like to say over. I have no idea, it's probably not true. Say that they went to Reb Elyashiv and they said, "How come you don't wear chailus?" So he said, "Because if I say that I if I wear chailus, then everybody's going to have to wear chailus, and I don't know if it's 100% and I don't want everybody to have to spend all this money. It's a lot of money. You have to give it to your kids. It's 250 shekel just the tzitzis itself. By the way, there's a big discount on Motzei Shabbos. I don't know what it is, but fine. So so they said, "Okay, so then why don't you wear it bit zina? How come you don't put it in by the way I know of a lot of that wear bit zina. A lot of and I know I have friends that wear bit zina. A lot of people wear bit zina cuz it's not a it's not the thing to do. So he said, "Who told you I don't wear bit zina?" >> [laughter] >> So to be was like one of these you know like you want me to wear bit zina then you ask me how can I I can't tell if I wear bit zina then it won't be bit zina. Fine. So that's that piece a guy wrote me a beautiful email today to debunk the whole thing. One of the things he wrote in there in Hebrew he says I want you to know the other and he brought up some points I never really thought about. He says if it's true that and are the same color but that's just a question of the why did they use something that's so hard to come by and you have to dive into the ocean and get it they ask us every 7 years you need divers to get it. Why don't they just use indigo? What's the what's the benefit of using has a lot of here. I put it on the screen you could take a look at the you have and this and that. I'm I'm never I'm never the one to say it's 100% I'm saying if it's 51% if there's some sort of You have another you might be a of here's a question I want to ask them. The says here's the book. Some of you say it every day. What's a bigger what's more important in the white strings or the blue strings? The says you have to wear blue strings. What's more important? The white it's more common. That's not the reason but you might be right. Wow. I see. The only one that knew the answer. By the way, Ashi's giving lessons in Kaddish Shulkin. He made a He's 400% better than he was a month ago, and he's giving the lessons, he said. Yeah? Okay. You're laughing. I thought that was I thought you were for real. Fine. So great. Um where's my tzitzis over here? Just as a side note There are three areas of a tzitzis. There's the psil, there's the chulyah, and the gdil. Anybody know what is what? Where's the psil? Where's the gdil? Where's the chulyah? The individual is the psil. The chulyah is the >> [laughter] >> Here. Here we go. The chulyah are each inch one. The gdil. This is the gdil. And the psil is this guy over here. Okay? Psil tcheiles. This is The strings that hang down are the psil. Okay. Says the Mishna. Oh, wow. Now that we have 10 minutes to do amud aleph and amud bais >> [laughter] >> Ah, I got to show you. This is super Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. To answer the question why I wear but Rav Chaim Kanievsky doesn't wear tcheiles. So this is super important. I only showed it once in the last 7 years. I'm showing it to you here today. Make it loud, please. This guy made him crazy. Okay, let me just He made him crazy. He's arguing with him about the nignaz. It is a nignaz. it. Why? Or if you believe in it, you should wear it. >> [laughter] >> What he says over here is very, very important to me. Is that he says if you hold that you're if you hold that this is it, then you have to put it on to wear it. That's what he says. If you hold Huh? Yeah. You must be quiet. Fine. You have to know the background. I believe I saw the whole thing and he just kept on He said, "Okay, you're fine." That's what they're going to say. But he gave a heads-up here for those who want to You're not Cuz if you believe it, then you and he says, "Please be mighty me." He says, "How could I be mighty to you? You know, it's not possible." He says, "If you really believe it, then okay." Says the "I can't tell you to love on." If you only have white strings, you wear the white strings, like you guys. And the And the white is not So if you only have blue, put on the blue. We learned this. If you only have one one filling Let's say you only have So we went through this. Let's see if the remembers. You only have to rush. You're not on vacation. You're on a plane. So you only have to rush. What do you do? You put it on. How many do you make if you're not smart? Two Usually you make one, but now since you don't have to make both. Oh, God. As the Israelis, they had no clue. Yeah, you did. Okay. >> [snorts] >> Sticking up for the Israelis. We'll go back to the videotape. Everything is videoed. By the way, just a real quickly, the the tail is it says over here, if you don't have blue, we're just white. If you don't have white, we're just blue. Over here, Tzitzit ain't like the Torah, but you have to wear you have to do all strings blue. All strings white. Over here, you don't have to wear two pairs of roish. You do one out of the two. So, it's a slightly different concept, but it's nevertheless it's makiv and not makiv. >> Makiv. You're looking to see if the pshat over here is up at the ashkenaz? The word makiv, we don't have it. And what does it say over here? Here it says necessary. It's not exactly Yeah, we can do better. Yeah, let's see what they say. Let's see what they say. You invite these guys on the spot. It says daf, not ours. He's >> [laughter] >> It says the marlin message is like the Rebbe. My bad. Perhaps our mission doesn't go according to the Rebbe. Why? The sign is my sign. Now, we're talking about two two strings, two types of strings, blue and white. So, why does it say you should see it in singular? It, what's it? So, the machlokes how do you learn the word it? You should look You should see it. The it means as a as the two of them are one unit. Look at it, the way Rebbe. So, in other words, without the blue, don't do white. According to Rebbe, Rebbe all of you guys who are not wearing blue, you shouldn't be wearing tzitzis according to Rebbe. Rebbe, Rebbe the author of the Mishnah holds blue without blue, do not wear white. We obviously don't pasken like him. The Rebbe my time what did the Rebbe say it's not makiv? Sorry, my time the Rebbe said konof. The Rebbe my time the Rebbe my time the Rebbe what's pshat in Rebbe? The Rebbe konof it's it's extra. The word konof is extra, it says it already. Min konof. What color were most of the garments in the time of chazal in the have of the Torah? White. They didn't have the the dye that we have today. So, that means that the the strings should be white mink on it. Should be from the same uh fabric, the same min as the beggar. Ooh, save sit dress. It also says blue. I'm not going to read some of this side. Singular. You should see the two types of strings, white and blue. You should see it. I think it the right but hard meaning it should be like one. But I bought it on the reason I saw it cuz I had to do the mash ma. By the way, we're going to do this tomorrow all over again. So, it means each and every one a singular. The white is it. The blue is it. Go ahead and do the mash ma. So, they're not mocking one another. I lay him at the liquor abbey. The choir admission that says that clay was not mocking. It's not necessary. It's not What do you call it? Essential. What does he say? >> He says essential. Essential. Not exactly mocking. Okay? A limited factor. It's two words though. Mocking of you is Oh, it isn't. Okay, good enough. Fine. I'm going to be the mayor of no I feel the same way about the hour mystic of like Rebbe. What the mission says that one is not mocking the other. Rebbe says the blue is mocking the white. The white you cannot do one without the other. But what the mission says it's not mocking is another type of Allah. I bought this. I don't know why. Just for one just to do this that it's so simple. I don't know why I had to buy the strings and everything. Made somebody run to the store for me. But it was interesting. We had two guys from Mishkan Tchelet here. The guys that do these tzitzis for me also. And I asked the guy. I said he said he said, "I'm not the I'm not the culture. He's the culture." I said, "Okay. What are you supposed to put into the hole first?" He wasn't so aware of this this Allah. And it's a Allah. They supposed to put the white string into the hole first. The cotton. It's called the cotton. The Adam killer put it in. Okay, all this. White first, blue second. Why? Cuz white is more important like actually said. White is more is more You know what I'm going to say a few times. Rashi brings it out. Feel that the Adam the sign of the mitzvah to put the white before the blue. Then he and if he made a mistake and he did blue first, he also it's okay. I'll do mitzvah. I did over there a boy side. I been putting into everybody's head that shown all of a sudden in kitchen if it says it twice, it's my active. And what about if it's not in kitchen? Then one time is my active. I don't think I was so clear about that. And says it over here before first. Says it says The Torah says it once should be my active. I like being in China like if you don't need twice. I'll be a kitchen. So if I said it wrong the entire and in this bottom as well I realized it out to miss out this. So I apologize. One is my active in the whole Torah. Kitchen is a cooler not a cooler. It's the all one is not enough. You need the Torah to repeat itself twice in order to make it essential. Does he says the my what does it mean? You missed out on Mitzvah of that we have a sponsor for the day. Turning of the day off a dark global happy clients all year not just this month. Oh. And take a look at this. We opened up only for people that bought that in and look how many people grabbed their that because I'm not going to be able to read their names now cuz we're very very late on time. But here you go. Joe good Oh, Joe good Dalius took a bunch of them over here. Jacob Gindi and square Godel my old. Okay. 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 people held on 16 that were held on. Great. So, what does it mean? If you tell me it means we actually have another 9 minutes to go even though we're late we started late because of the trailers. So, I want to remind them there's a mitzvah to have special food today. I'm excited. I should just be excited. Doesn't mean you should you know how and everything but it means one special item to cover the trailers. I'm excited to miss every trailers. I'm excited to miss the love of the trailers. What does it mean? It means that you missed out. You didn't put the strings in correctly. You only did white not blue. What do we say? According to this it's no good at all. All of you what does it mean? Like we said before I'm excited to miss what does it mean? That you didn't do the you didn't put the string you didn't put the white in before the blue. The miss of the trailers. That's the great. That's one way but the mission says that one is not this way. The white is not the blue and the blue is not the white. You just said that the white is not the blue that if you put the blue in before the white you you like so. But how do you do the reverse? If you by mistake put into the hole the blue string is not my But what's the opposite case? This is a famous thing people say about it's a but it really comes from how to we have a little video here for that. >> [snorts] >> Oh, I I want to show you the that that the Yoshi did a couple things. These are the the shells. You have to dive to get it. It's not simple. That's why the says it takes 170 years. I don't want to miss any videos here. But get to the rest we'll see on Shabbos. I don't want to give away the whole There's a little sack in there that that has that uh Okay. But I wanted to show you this video. First of all, real quickly, I got to show you this. Just I want to show you how things changed. We used to do 3D animation. This video, which was a hit in that time, was only a year and a half ago or so, 2 years. And I want to point out how the tzitzis were not flexible in the video. It was so hard to flex Every movement A video like this took 4 days, two people 4 days. Look at his tzitzis, how stiff. You'll see soon when he bends over. Here you go. They They remain Here we go. It's unbelievable. So, but here we go. This is Fast forward to this. This is >> [music] >> cool tailors. This is tzvat. Because the beach the the the ocean reminds you of the heaven. The tailors remind you of [music] the beach, and the beach reminds you of the heaven. The blue jeans, blue everything. And he's supposed to put in the blue In this case, you saw what he just did? He put the blue in before the white. >> [music] >> Why? Because his beged is blue. Since his garment is blue, he's supposed to put the blue in before the white. The shilo. What if you're a soldier and you wear green and you have a green undershirt and you want to put tzitzis? Do you need green tzitzis? It might be preferred. I don't know. Let me tell you that's equal to treilas. The what? So now you have to reverse. In a in a beg in a white garment you're supposed to put the white first and then the blue. But in a blue garment you're supposed to put the blue and then the white. It's minami. Are you you're king? Okay, so now we're going to do the same gamora over b'chazara. Don't sit down. Stand on your feet until you can explain this to me. It goes both ways. One is not essential for the other. You can put white without the blue, blue without the white. My, what does it mean? If you have a white garment The mitzvah the mitzvah is to put the white strings in first. My time of why? Ha kon of min kon of it should be the tzitzis should be the same color as the beged. If you act in and if you put in the blue first less than blue you're not over anything. And what's the reverse case? If if the garment is blue then you have to put the blue in first. The mitzvah is like the ratio. The kon of min kon of because now your garment is blue so your tzitzis should be the same Uh, what's the word I'm looking for? The same uh same fabric, the same color as the the garment. If you put in the white before the blue less than blue I don't understand you. You want me to tie it to the garment? Who who where did the Torah The Torah says put white before blue. The Torah never said it it should match up to the garment. So I have a video for gardum also which I forgot. Remind me to show to the Israelis. How does How does a person have Here. You have this uh this is that. I had a one of my kids sit this. Gardumen means that if you you go like that and now it's a gardumen. Gardumen. According to Rashi, it's after all the knots. After all the knots, you have a little piece hanging out. Is this kosher or not? Well, depends how how big it is. If it's very small that you can't make a a slip knot, then it's possible. How do you get the gardumen? So, Goshi is going to show you how to get to the gardumen. There's one in the middle that Mendy's not going to like so much, but whatever. I gave him a heter to sew it. Mendy gave me the look. He gave me the look. This happened to my brother-in-law. Not really, but they took his towel back. Remember they stole his stuff? They stole his All right. So, if the gardum tcheiles is like oil on one, so there's two there's two conditions here, Rebbi Shai. First of all, you have to have all the other color strings in contact. They they have to be whole, sholem. And the strings that you don't have that are ripped, uh sorry, I don't want to forget this point, very important point. It's referring to strings that were the right They were the right length. They were good. They were kosher. And then they ripped. Because if you start off and where they're tiny, no good. It's only because they had the hex before and they were tiny. Number two is that even the piece that's ripped it's not just one string. Think about it. It's not one string because every string has a counterpart. It's four strings that make eight. And if one of the eight is ripped it's partner on the other side is is whole and that's okay. So when it says that it's ripped, two strings ripped, I don't know how you know both in the blue, it's easy. I do blue. By the way, oh I got to show this to you. Where was it? We're running out of time here, that's fine. This is from Till Kyles. These are all the sheets of how you could tie it. I do grow this way. So if you look at grow this also the Ram says only one Kyles in so that's two strings. The rabbit said two strings which is four to where you you you turn you double it up so it becomes four and according to Tysus it's four Kyles, unbelievable. So these are all the different ways you could go crazy that people in Michigan Kyles and all do all these great. So if you're if you're grow so now you only have two strings that are blue. So the only way if it's ripped if both blues are ripped now you know that you got a real problem logically. And according to Rashi the rip happens below the knots, below the knot. According to Tysus if there's some remaining over here it's still kosher. The the rip is all the way on top over here according to Tysus. Okay. So I think tomorrow we'll just get here and finish up. We have 22 seconds. Uh oh my ladies what are you guys doing? Do you guys have Kyles for Kyles and if this Kyles and this the the Kyles ripped but it's white be guided them love them with Kyles. That's all. I don't remember here got to do with Kyles Kyles and if it's left over it's kosher we got to do with Kyles. The Azov is the that uh the hisop that that you sprinkle on on on a tummy it has a sheer of a tefach. The the sheer of tzitzis is 12 thumbs. Omar Bar Hamadure Omar Shmuel K'dei Lanvan should be able to make a slipknot which is basically Okay, I'm not going to do it now. You know how to do a slipknot but you could uh not this way. Um okay. We you just pull it and it undoes itself with one pull like a tie. Um Kulam B'Yachad doesn't mean all the ripped ones have to be tied together or each one K'chol Echad Echad Echad L'chudei Teiku each one is individual. The Gemara doesn't have an answer. Raboisai Gut Yom Tov Thank you and have a wonderful Merit the z'chus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.daf.com.