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should go well today for the art a young minor a young minor a minor she decided to get engaged without asking her father engaged K she didn't ask anybody what's the according to she needs two things she needs a get and me she has to refuse the K and she has she needs a she needs a get she needs a get a get is the a is the and K says I don't understand what's going on if she's married if she's engaged get if she's not engaged me why do you need both says you need get cuz maybe it is maybe the father agreed to it you need me cuz maybe it's nothing and if it's nothing people see that you got to get and they'll say wait a minute this woman was 100% married to this Guy Ando when this guy went ahead and was mades her sister it's zero you can't you can't be married to two women from the fact that he gave a get it was a good kushan it Wasa and she's a sister and the sister is nothing and somebody else is going to go marry her but they can't marry her because she's really engaged to this guy that that engaged the other sister yeah if this helps here's a guy that goes ahead and gives here let's do this one I think this is better the father says I didn't know about this okay these by the way I did Yoshi did most of this but I was at a commission last night and this morning again I hope I'm better now so some of this is me and the the the bad stuff is me because I'm not very good at the animation stuff and how it fits in anyways this little girl on the left I put in there now what's going on here is that since the guy with the hat was mades the girl in the coat and let's say it's zero let's say zero why because the father didn't agree to it zero but he had to give her a get G gave her a get yeah he gives her a get now what Yoshi did here is he showed the punching means yeah the Me shows that the get is nothing by me making this guy do me also he's also showing that the get is zero why because if you take the get seriously on the one hand you have to take the get seriously because maybe the father greed to the kushan you need a get but on the other hand maybe she's not engaged at all I need to do something to show that the get is nothing because if I don't do show that the get is nothing what happens if this guy in the Hat does kushan to the girl that he could actually see her face it could be 100% good kushan if he's engaged to the one in the coat then it's zero but if he's not engaged to the one in the coat then it's 100% kusan but people see that you gave a get that means that the one in the coat was a goodu so going to say that what you did to the one without a coat is not a good and somebody else is going to go marry the one without a coat but she's she's really engaged to the guy with the hat so to show people don't marry this one without a coat what do they do they say make a Me shows that the get is nothing and that it's only the Rabon you here it's a little bit counterintuitive it's a little okay so now we're holding one line before it becomes white let me ask you a question Bo let me see a show of hands I everybody be M let's see if I person's brother dies without children and this woman falls leum she's and he goes and he performs on that woman could he marry that woman's sister no what is she why can't he marry her the ra who says the r who says the the r raise your hand only four people say the ra say raise your hand come on where's the rest of you you guys don't know know if you say the raise your hand I'm not stopping everybody raised their hand they meni you think they right to raise your hand they okay so we're going to see it's only the RAB if I would have played the music till the end you would have known was in the song this whole case that we we concerned you see the father is sitting on the side and he doesn't know he does know he cares he doesn't care it's only when they spoke about the they went on a date now it's possible the father agreed to this to this K but if not if he never knew about this girl and one day he finds that a brisker guy going to against his daughter of course it's nothing since she accepted K without her father's consent zero should be zero you don't even need to do nothing zero as what you don't need anything what if the father agreed to it they went out there was a there was a whatever is they went out they but they spoke about it says you right if you say says that then didn't come and argue on that so and if you ignore says listen even you don't need if there was no consent from the father even if there's a I don't care I need the father's consent there's no consent it's zero should be zero even if there a he does [Music] we get we have to take the and put it into our heads says that aana that goes ahead and she gets engaged without her father's permission it's a big fat zero don't worry about it she doesn't need a get she doesn't need a meal nothing this is the first I believe it's the hardest damus looking back I might be mistaken just obviously I don't remember yam at all but I remember that we didn't do a very good job on it on the first Mish on the first mishna noral but the first mission in this was confusing and non fix his name was yank barrel and this one had this what and we had okay okay but once and it's 15 different cases but we're not going to talk about all these cases obviously we're going to talk about one case we're going to talk about the case the easiest case daughter so it goes like this again I I I did this and this is terrible and maybe by the way y I don't think you should put this in until Yoshi wakes up or whatever and puts his all together not wakes up but sometimes he takes the if he's up the whole night I don't know I have no I wasn't communication with him it's my problem so it goes like this I just threw again this little girl there on the bottom because she's a big part of this this girl on the bottom is shim's daughter I'm sorry yeah shim's daughter so it goes like this ruin that's above the girl on the bottom is married to this girl on the bottom he's married to his niece who's very acceptable back in the day we even going to have a in in today's you used to marry your relatives it's a good thing to marry your relatives keep it in the family so the uncle marries his niece now very very P the uncle also marries somebody else a five toown now I couldn't even get the the arrow that says married he's married to two women you see Ru on top is married to the girl on the bottom and the woman next to him Ru goes bye-bye so it's a very simple here shim is the father of one of the women that fell to now both of these women fall to him because his brother didn't have any children but because he cannot marry his own daughter so he cannot marry the five toer either so both of them go out without e without okay here it says I you see those AR came in marry a daughter okay no no for any of them great we'll have to fix it up a little bit says but what if this daughter on the bottom died beforehand or she refused her marriage to the brother here at this stage you see this little girl on the bottom while she's married to ruin she decides she refuses the marriage to ruin or in his G she gets divorced from ru so she turns out that later on she was Island she was never married to Ru then if ruin goes bye-bye then he could do to the five toown says the what's going on here what's the case I want to I want to have a says that if she gets engaged by herself it's zero I'm going to prove to you it's not true because what's going on here if the father is the one that who married her off to his own brother how could she refuse a marriage that her father did we know is a refusal of marriage it only takes effect when her mother married her her brother married her off which is only a the RAB marriage so she could refuse it but when a father marries of a daughter there's no meal because is not enough you need a real get must be now maybe the father is dead and she married herself off we're talking about ye we're talking the father's alive the his own daughter felt to him he's alive and well so the father's alive and he didn't marry her off because if he married her off then meal doesn't work only get works so what in the world happened there must say he didn't marry her off she married herself off she went behind his back she ran away from home and she got married and that's the case that we're talking about here and says is a big fat zero it's not a big fat zero it says over here she needs me it's a big no I'll tell you what happened was this girl went through a lot in her life her father married her off when she was seven years old then and she's completely married once she's completely married she leaves her father's domain completely then her husband died and then she got married again she's this is her second marriage and she's not even 12 years old so she needs meal because she's not nobody can marry off their R now her father has no control over her she's already married okay another question on he talking about you could sell your daughter as a but you should not sell her to your relatives you could sell it to relativ why because that's the issue so if you're with us and you know the concept of is you take the master could marry the AMA he has the right to marry her or to give her to over to his son now it has to be a type of s that you could perform y but if it's your relative you can't do yield why sometimes you could sell only for and not for holds that you need it needs to be royally you then he says no everybody that you could sell Al the father could sell an Al to but a cannot marry her where's the you over here okay so you could why because yes you're right can never marry an Al but if he does it grabs on so that's enough it catches so that's enough for for the partial view it it works for now it's not he's yeah yeah but at the end of the day it's K whereas sometimes there's a marriage it doesn't work at all okay but the point is how is it possible that a father marries off and I'm if there was a full that the father did How could a father sell her after he ready mades right in this we spoke about it that once a once a girl he his daughter he cannot sell her he could only do one of the two so this is a why this is our case where she ran away she got engaged to herself and you see over here that it does grab there's something going on her she's considered Al according to a she's not an almana she had zero relationship with that man you cannot get engaged on your own you need your father's consent if the father gave consent and he married her off then he never was able to sell her to the K he had no consent there was no consent and she's considered and then he marries to the no we're talking about that the father sold her Asama and she got married to her boss to her to B whatever you want to call him thank you she married her and there was consent from the Father the father married sold her to this guy no so that goes back to the we had in this when you purchase an is in that money is there kadush money or there zero kadush money if there's no Kush money how does a marry her later on cuz he's M all the work she has to do for him but that's not to do with the Father the father never received anything in return of this K when he sold her he sold her just to work not to be married how what we have a case where a father consented to marriage by selling her Asama yet he could still he could still sell her again I she was married and we said after marriage you can't sell he didn't he didn't he didn't marry off he didn't get any money from it if he marries her off and he gets money he can't sell her afterwards but in this case all he did was he sold her as he never received a dime for the kushin he agreed to the kushin but didn't get anything for it therefore he could sell her and therefore we don't have a cash on there's no r that when she does it on her own something happens she's called on no she didn't do it on her own this is a case where the father sold her it's not on her own no cash on it Maz so she goes ahead she gets engaged to a guy without her father even knowing about it runaway girl yeah runs away she decides she smack idea she's going to get married to some guy in the street father has no idea and then this guy dies okay overdose he dies and then she falls listen to this this is a b she has to do and she doesn't have to do me if there's no M what does it mean explains also here here's the case for Bo here's the case so again we have three brothers they're the hated guys today we're not talking no we're not talking about the baldman brothers talking about the hated Brothers okay we have three brothers one brother gives this youngster a ring okay then he goes fing so now we have a big Shyer what happened when let's take it back a step when he gave her the ring is it a kushan or not a kushan that's the whole we had until now a says it's zero ra says it's it's good we don't know he says I don't know if it's good maybe you have to give a get maybe it's 100% good maybe it's 100% not good give a meal I don't know so maybe she's married to this guy for a second maybe she's not not married engaged but engaged is also for engagement now he goes he goes bye-bye is she a really of or not a really of I don't know it could be she's not a y at all could be she's 100% a y comes this guy with a hat and does MIM he gives her a ring is only but that automatically makes Herer on the guy all the way on the left okay now she's excluded to the guy in the left so here's the case inside the second brother the guy that's alive still does she needs three things why she needs a get so the second guy has to give her a get why because maybe the first gu K was a k and if the first gu Kush was a kushan then she's a true she's a real y I'm sorry yeah and she's a real Yama and M works on a real you give her K now you need anytime a regular yum case if one of the brothers jumps in gives her a ring he has to do two things he has to give her a mimer for the ring and for the EO a a get sorry a get for the m and for the evil and she also needs now she needs because she's a real understanding when the father all the way in the top corner right corner he looks at this and he heard her about it maybe agreed to the K so when her original dies she falls for real and for that you need this we said before this not that what maybe there's zero going on here rash says I don't know why you have to say to the okay the point is maybe there's nothing going on it maybe there's no maybe he didn't care about the first one that's the main point there and therefore the second one is nothing him if the father didn't agree then there's no there's no need for Kal there's no need the m is zero zero hold on so then why do you need I need me to show that there's nothing I don't want people to think that there's a Thea going on over here if there's going on over here then here you need you need Oh I thought I I thought I switched those around okay I don't know why I didn't get a chance to ask Yoshi Why by me every time by me he did the thumb comes down I I turned it around okay him let me just see oh so here's the case you have the the sister of the girl in the coat now if there's nothing going on here I'm sorry if there's nothing going on here yeah people will't know that there's nothing going on here why because they're going to see that there's a get here there's a here so they say oh it's all and all the guy with his hat like this he went and he was madesh the girl on the left the girl that has the the ex on her the girl that you can see her face and people are going to say it's zero kushan don't worry about it ignore him he's crazy he goes around getting engaged to all these little girls and then you can't even get engaged to her because she's a sister of the of the first woman he married but it's not true he's not engaged to the first one the first one was a zero the father didn't agree to that and if the father didn't agree to the first one then her his engagement to the to to the second girl is a true engagement and then what happens the guy the guy on the left the the Ben I'm ignoring that because we're talking in in Tyra now and this is okay so it's inappropriate to say that in this year so what no it's inappropriate is 100% Mar engaged to the guy with the hat Ben had no business marrying her he can't marry she's is so what I have to do is I tell the guy with the hat do me do to show that there's no here and if there's no he wasn't engaged to the one on the right at all not M nothing and therefore when he mades the one on the left it's and Ben had no right marrying her so people are not going to marry her again huh Bing the initi whatever yeah engagement more procedures needed to get out correct to show people this is just a show not to get out it's a show you don't need me to get out of anything me is just a big sign that says the first kushin didn't work and if he goes ahead and he gets engaged the second one is a problem what you go back one yeah then it automatically knocks out the only if only if she's why we knock out that prove is's other why get KN well we don't know if she's Z we me and you don't know if she's nobody knows if she's we don't why why Miss saying the m the m counts the only M only counts if she's a she might not be a at all oh so he's saying that that's a different question so maybe that's what he's asking that if it's either it's a or k should work as Kush but he was only doing it as a m he said first I'm doing it to I don't want my brother to you I want to you as as a MIM okay her a ring a ring correct but for what reason you don't have to give a ring no no no you have to give ring it's you have to give anyway fine so that's that now what if he didn't give her a ring so now nobody's gonna think anything you all you need to do is give her why because maybe for that you give maybe should say for the same that we said before maybe we should make a show here and show that nothing happened oh you hear that over here in this year we didn't have a but everybody should know that so nobody's going to think that the the brother that did can't get married to the to the sister they say listen it's only the r maybe you could get married maybe it works him again so this is a if you perform on a woman the only reason why you can't marry her sister not because she's had a problem with steing st the two people who are drinking wine under listen kiss from hasem an AR tree uh at least a willow tree it's not so much an AR tree as much as a willow but it's in the family of Aras according to the first rash what happened was the way I understand it it's possible that there's two people that they had children in shid and maybe one of the one of the guys his son wanted to marry the daughter so he decided to invite his friend over under a tree and they started drinking ismach and they were drinking it up everything is good now at the end you know he wanted that Final Cup he wanted that buzz says gives it to his friend let's do a deal you want this cup of wine I'll give it to you but you have to guarantee me that your daughter is going to marry my son that it's possible that if there's no consent from the daughter it's possible that the father agrees to it I'm sorry there's no consent from the Father the and the daughter gets engaged this this possible the father agrees to it so Rashi goes in like this it's possible that the father looked in the typical case the first case that we're discussing father sees his daughter getting engaged to somebody says you know what I hear all the crisis going on there and this and that she went ahead she found I'm not so happy about it but it's better than nothing let it get engaged fine I'm asking maybe Raven will say that but no one will ever say that the son will agree to that why says Rashi son is going to look into it much more it doesn't have the I don't know was they saying this m said they said a St they said d d I think it was is there Arabic called D not Dash that's who it was I think it was him or something like that that he went he was in a store and he of course was m on wasn't looking and he wanted to buy like a melon well so he walks into the store and he he looks he looks around the melons and he walks out so the girl working in the store says she used the from Yu what's the so she screams out he came to get a melon from me and and and he's gonna walk out without anything so he looked up to see who she is and he say o I just looked at this girl so he goes to the to the and I think the the they said went to said that's it you're over you have to marry her he went back that he ended up marrying this girl because he was n in so anyways I just thought no the line was good from her I thought that line was very good this was a case of not being Med so well but typically speaking why should be why should why should the work who says the the boy agrees maybe maybe in the farfetched case that the girl did it herself without her father's the father be Ming because but no way will a father would a son agree that his father should marry him off so I had a lot of fun with the bells I said no how did you get married yeah my father married me off had that work he says I'll tell you that by the engagement like right before I got engaged my came over to me says No is it a good he says that's not for you to ask that's my father ask ask my something like that him I said how do you fit into the is it says over here it's not the regular thing you don't father doesn't the kid okay oh I have to do the sponsors but hold on a second okay the son doesn't but oh so yeah of course the say that the they send the father as yeah trust him 100% so that's what happened what do you mean you think it St under the tree they're drinking there was a plan to to get the guyle drunk and he said you want to marry you want great my daughter yeah great but the son wanted it listen to this believe it a father a son is not enough to tell his father to be today generation is much different today like hey Dad do my laundry whatever it is I don't know but you don't have the to tell your father you go and get that b for me yourself whatever that means we have no mus in this stuff okay okay for all those and by conations in honor of my uncle for year fill with family says maybe maybe oh no so over here this is what it is over here the son told the father not I want her and the father became by himself who who's saying this I'm right himself just he doesn't even hold ra that we have to be concerned that the father agrees to that the daughter doesn't her own so certainly we don't have to be concerned over here when the sun is involved says this guy went ahead in middle of this in the middle of the marketplace and we said if you eat in middle of the marketplace you're like a dog so he goes in middle of the marketplace and he gives this girl a bundle of of carrots whatever vegetables and now without without the the of the father even if you say like ra the father might agree to this do it like a mench not like this what was the exactly was it with whates or where what if he gave her a 12 carat ring in middle of the marketplace is that okay what if he did it in a beautiful Hall but with a a bundle of vegetables it's a double negative you have the fact that's in middle of a marketplace where he did it in the middle of a busy place and I think today no the people get engaged in the middle of you know you surprise the the girl in middle of on a crew on in front of it's normal fine depends who and where huh what each one over here the both over here is a double but each one by itself is it considered a b they had a fight between husband and wife they had a very very daughter and he the husband wanted her to marry his family your family of course have all the the defects and the terrible DNA and she said the same thing about him my family is the good family your family is the terrible one right but see that was normal to marry off to the to the relatives C this is also very normal she forced him into it and he he agreed he had to be M to her yeah there's in Ganan there's 100 men and they said all the men that were ruled by their wives go to the right so 99 men went to the right so they go to this guy on the left he says how come you didn't go to the right she cuz my wife told me to stand there now I'm going to get an email from that lady again I hope she's not watching 50s joke 1950s joke should have watched okay she forced him into it okay okay fine you know what your relatives say there so they go and they make a big sud they invite all the guests we're going to have an engagement party tonight we're going to announce who it is at everybody comes in and they're engaged and on the engagement comes the relative his relative and jumps in there and mad the daughter in the attic and of course the wife is on the bottom screaming I told you he's a creep I told you you shouldn't stay away from him kider that's what happened so now what now we have to be maybe the father deep down inside he really wanted that he's very happy he likes the creep that's the one he wanted to marry to begin with the wife he agreed to do the wife's time because he was forced doesn't do anything wrong like they're not going to lie the father's not going to lie no there's another thing here since the father was to make this engagement party for the other one he's he doesn't he's not happy with the this what if there's no interesting says over here in in the back he says that we know from that also this in fact he he's even stronger than a in this but he says in this case the father really really wanted the with his own let's say his brother or whatever so he'll do some Arma under the table he'll really so that's why comes up with another she got engaged with her father's consent but she got engaged with consent but didn't get married to consent and she got married to this guy that that her father agreed you hit the Shila the father wanted her to get engaged but he never said get married to him so I don't know exactly what maybe maybe the father wanted to get this money for kadushin and the guy is 95 years old he's hoping he's going to drop dead he'll never marry his daughter he'll get all this money I don't know exactly but fine that's what happened there's a in in the they talk about I think brings it down also that a guy he set his sight on this woman that was dying and he she was very wealthy so married her so that if she dies a couple days later her money and says you can't just bring a woman in a wheelchair if she's not Roy it's not a all it goes into the whole thing it's it's a farce and unbelievable I I was just talking to my about it and then somebody overheard and he said you know that here in bees this m a week ago or so a guy just got married within the month he got married to a 20-some year old girl who who m is very very sick but he was also he had the M before he did it like a I don't know exactly why he did just married her and within the sh she was ready in the hospital and two weeks later she was lifter now this signs up it's Verona and gner he said the names were up everywhere yeah you heard the smice also this he didn't do I don't want anybody he did not do it for the money he did it for the he decided he had and she wanted to get married and that was it they obviously he didn't think it's going to last for two weeks he thought a year two years whatever yeah what was a month and he married they were for like three months they dated for three months and then what they the marriage lasted for a whole month a month okay when was she how long ago two weeks ago okay now she got married without her father's permission the father is happy with this marriage so let her eat if she's married to you cannot eat why because maybe he'll come and say it wasn't a marriage and it's a problem says the who says you could eum but when it came down to it he said no rasi might be right and let's not let her eat truma so I think this a very interesting to see here for a second and then we can finish two in the bottom went back with [Music] was anytime argue until the re is always right after go to the later ones Toes that everybody should remember when a ra and a tal argue with each other after's generation the is like the talid because then the talid is going to be more in the are we finished here can we stop here we have to just [Music] finish we'll go back to it have a wonderful day [Music] oh