Daf Yomi Eruvin Daf 90 by R’ Eli Stefansky

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it's actually 89 and we are holding by the top of daft's attic top line [Music] is so yesterday we're discussing also the the pictures are not going to be in order so you're going to have to bear with me so we're discussing you have a rooftop and you have two residents below according to rav we don't say good asic you don't have an imaginary wall that goes up why because it's you don't notice where the wall is when you're walking on the rooftop it's flat there's no indication that there's a wall so you don't say good asic and therefore what we have is two residents below and each resident answers the other resident to go on his roof there's no air roof on the roof it's open to make monster smoke open so it's awesome to go from one side of the rooftop and not only that you are stuck where you are because you're open to a machine monster and you're only allowed four amis four almost that's it small on the other hand says we do invoke good asic there's a wall an imaginary wall that goes up therefore each rooftop is an individual resource individual shows you can walk on the entire shows so ask okay you're only allowed to go four amis but how about can i go could i take the four amis and cross over from the rooftop onto some sort of beam that's next to the rooftop let's say ford's away from the roof places explains so you go from the rooftop to the beam is that okay now according to rav what is the entire rooftop let's think about it what is it i can't walk anywhere so it's not a resource because if it's you don't have 600 thousand so what is it it's a carmelus oh and what's a bean a bean that's ten tall could i take two amas carry two armies on the rooftop and two ammas on a beam mao amara mike mobile what's going on here carmelis that's a question of course you can't go from a caramelizer says sometimes you have a very shy person a very smart person he had a really good question in fact the question is so strong that it's a taco the kumara remains in the taiko just the way he said it the way he threw it out there it wasn't thought through so yes you're right that's not a very good question to go from a roof to uh um is not a good question but what he wanted to ask is the idea the concept this idea of walking two amish here and going there the second part we have to change a little bit mao is let's say a pergola that's more than two saw more than seven diamonds by seven diamonds and hamashi not only that it's on an angle why is it on an angle so we can't invoke another halacha machine if p thick versailles that the edges the beams around the the uh i would show you but it's dark outside i have it right here you have beams and on top of the beams you have the cross beams these beams the main beams that carry the load of the pergola we view them as walls that come all the way down to the ground p thicker yay versailles but you cannot say p degree oversized when the saddle is on an angle as so so if you have an exciter on an angle and it's a very large oxide you see it's wide open a beam here being a pergola what do they call it whatever they call it some there's other words also fine so to go from your rooftop i don't know why you did the roof at an angle so you go from your rooftop to your exhaudra you're only allowed according to wrath four amis so i want to divide it could i could i cross over into another domain me amino and the hi [Music] so let's understand what is the question exactly if we think about it it's very very problematic rav said that you cannot go more than four amis in this situation um hold on a second kevin dear villain he so perhaps rav was talking about in a situation you see right over here you have two people living here two doors so what happens is according to rav in rabbanam the people that live here because they live here their residence extends upwards into the roof and that's why it becomes a kamasure but when you have somebody that lives in a house and right next to him he has an exaggerated nobody lives here so there's no reassurance that goes upwards into the roof so maybe it's motor maybe it'll be motor to walk from the roof to the sagra because the whole reason it's also when you have multiple residents below the roof line is because we we hilatically we say that the residents they go upwards into the roof you might not see them but they whoever lives below lives above on his roof as well and therefore it creates separate russia's but that's good if there are apartments below the roof line in the sagra case no apartment there emma melo it shouldn't be a problem so what is the bar asking now perhaps it's not about the residence that's below rather it's about ownership rashi says bailam there's dhira and isbalam so the gemara is asking a very deep question this this this daf today is a full really full of of of new concepts of of information a lot of different information here every line is full mullet we'll do whatever we can so nahum also i mean the simple word wording is one way and then if you look in rashi it's a whole different question question is do we view a what's the problem according to rav to go to walk more than four hours on a rooftop because we view the residence not the ownership the residents as coming upwards into the roof that you don't have an exaggeration you don't have that on a pergola there's no residence below pergola so therefore it would be motor to walk to carry from a rooftop to an assad or perhaps it's not about residents it's about ownership and since the house and alsadra are owned by different people different owners so then it's awesome to go perhaps it would be awesome to carry from the roof to the side [Music] okay so we're continuing with this theme for now bazaam is biggago bay zamasu mahu what if i go from my rooftop onto a ruin what's that allah says the gemara love heinous isn't that the exact same question what's the difference ruin alsadra it's the same idea the same there's no residence below does it have to do with so perhaps it's a motor or no it's a different owner and if it's a different owner it's awesome a new lotion that we never had do you think that i went somewhere else and i'm asking you questions and i'm taking from somebody else i'm asking you i'm asking you because i have a reason there's something different here you can go back to the magazine from chicago the israeli guy if you already found the question in the arts called look for the answer on the outskirt yeah what are you asking you're pretending you came up with a great hop you saw it you looked in the bottom you saw great caches so find the answer in the bottom anyway is it what do you think i'm messing around i'm just asking questions i'm taking uh rami bahama's question i'm asking you i'm asking you because there's a reason why assadira very interesting you maybe we wouldn't think this you know like you have across america you have in detroit and the south side of chicago you have thousands of these houses that are boarded up you know like they're not they're not even worth uh a dollar because the taxes cost more than what they're worth right they're not worth anything people don't want them but the gemara says no ahurva is more raw ilidira than you just fix it up a little bit a little renovation and you're good to go so on the on the one hand a pergola can't live in a pergola it's great to read a newspaper on there but you can't live there so so but uh but uh hurva is adira so then if it's adira then it certainly should be awesome why is it different than two apartments you're not gonna walk on the rooftop of two apartments because the residence comes burst through the roof so over here also she says no we can't he's building his question on the exaggerated question as follows so he's saying okay what are you going to tell me that this alsadra is not an inhabitable and therefore on the other hand so mama maybe that's why it should be but on the other hand a ruin you could live here so therefore it should be us or to walk or to carry from roof to roof or dilma hashtag right now nobody lives in this corva yes it could be it has a possibility of bringing the whole crew you spend 30 000 you can fix it up right now it's not habitable so my mela it's just like an exaggera and you could you should be able to carry from rooftop to rooftop taku takus on both of the questions so in fact when we didn't understand the question all the beginning so what's going on here he's asking from a rooftop to a beam no he's asking for maruta and that's a great question that remains in the take was so we're very familiar with rav rav and shmuel because this is going to shock us what we learned yesterday the gemara is going to say the exact reverse of what we learned again we have a rooftop and there's people that live underneath according to rav we don't say that the center wall or the walls break up the rooftop and therefore what we have is a very large carmelus that's that has different restrictions in it and your resource is open to russia that's also to you and what happens when you're close to rashoos that's oscar to you you yourself become us to carry and mma you're not allowed to carry so anytime you know that it carries something you're allowed we allow you four amis so you're allowed the minimum but according to shmuel even where there's no hacker you cannot see it's a beautiful flat rooftop they just put the tire down everything is beautiful the since there are walls underneath the roof they halogically burst through the roof as you see in this beautiful picture you have a good asset and an imaginary invisible wall and that breaks up your roof and when you have a broken up roof into different reshuis so each one becomes a russian sayaka basically and if it becomes each part of the roof becomes a reason i could walk i could carry within that yes i cannot go over the line but within this limit up until my good asset i could carry as much as i want and this guy will carry as much as he wants because they're broken up it's as if you have a wall there's each one is individual what does rav say it's all one giant caramel is us at the carry let's say this picture right over here forget the good asset for now you have one giant rooftop i might have a better picture here hold on let's see oh you do much better here's a nice rooftop according to a mayor these are chava meaning it's not like where was that picture i had somewhere anyway you know we had the other day when you have the different heights in the roof over here they're all the same height beautifully flat but many people live here all these doors but according to a mayor not until now we're talking about according to our mayor since they're the same height they're considered one roshus or according to ham one door look at this giant mansion the guy lives in one residence but it's a giant house dry roof everything we said a second ago the exact reverse according to rav you could carry everywhere a second ago he said rap says you could only carry four atoms and now he says you're carrying the entire roof a second ago he said small says he could carry and then each roof is is uh by itself and carrying the entire yacht and now shimour comes along and says no you could only carry four arms what is going on here says that's a contradiction to what we said a second ago now what according to rav there's no good asic look what's going on here so this also raboisei is a very interesting question it's not as simple as i just stated the question it's very different what's the question so rashi explains his follows rashi explains that according to rav in this particular case which is remayr rav doesn't go remar rav is talking about in but according to rav we don't invoke good asic there's no grassic here ask the gemara it should be oscar according to rav to walk on this roof to carry on this roof why because look you see this arabim here which is wrapping all over the place the sarabim is open to your roof according to wrap there's no good asset when you don't see the walls there's no good asset there's no invisible walls and if there are no invisible walls then your rooftop is wide open to racism and what happens when you're open to another resource that's user you become master as well so the the rooftop should be a hundred percent user to carry on you have to see rashi to understand that's the mars question you hear the cache since it's open it's back-to-back turbo shoe surround so some shine what bothered me is but the rooftop is much higher it's in a computer okay so the roshan discussed that in the gemara in rashi but the question is that the rooftop which you consider raf considers wide open no majitsu's if no makitas then it's open to russia surround him if it's open to russia surround him it should be us or to carry on the rooftop says awesome rav only says to this case right over here when don't i say good as to to this middle wall let's say when i don't see it i don't see that there's a middle one i'm standing on the roof i don't see that there's apartments below me i don't know what's going on i don't know where the the walls are inside i don't have x-ray vision into the apartment below me there's no indication on the roof that there's no dent or anything there's no partial wall so over there rav says no good asset but look what happens over here when you're on the roof you see the side walls not the center wall the side walls surrounding the whole house these walls go upwards and they create a good asset to protect you from the russian surrounding so to speak and now i'm allowed to carry on the rooftop because i'm not back to back with the rochester rabbit i have a big machita called the good assignment an invisible wall separates me between them and myself says you could only carry on this individual single roof four hours a second ago he said if there are many roofs there are many residents below i have good asking i make all these walls and i can carry the full size of the apartment whatever it is now it's telling me you could only walk four atmos why cash this will so this is a straight up cash mole not a a very interesting one like we had in rav all of a sudden we throw in a versus rabbit which the kimbard doesn't talk about this is small and small says you can only carry four amis and before he said you carry the entire size of the wherever the good asset makita takes you says very simple very positive if the rooftop is enormous like this so now this turns into a caramelist what about these walls it should make it uh no as we're going to see in a second it's here i fell off my bed last night and i asked myself how's the pasta i fell off my bed i have good assistance the size of the bed oh so you don't say that right be because uh they're not so when you have a giant joyceum basal cyan you can't create adira it doesn't become a residential it's enormous it's 200 by a hundred that's not residential so you guys say oh good i made it and i became residential america cannot create residential just like a mojito cannot prevent me from falling off my bed so my melo but rava argues rav says no you could you could use good asking to create a mojito around my house fine so he makes a distinction when it's an enormous rooftop so now i have a carmelus without any walls there's no walls it's one resident i don't have any walls popping through the middle like we had before it's different than this case where the wall starts it starts separating my rooftop into sections that's because i have resident a resident b two doors but over here forget about these doors in the bottom i took the wrong picture but over here it's a giant rooftop without it's a single residence and we don't have these walls popping up the only wall we have popping up are the side walls but it's way too big to create a makamdira that's enough and therefore i am stuck in my spot i only have four ammos i'm in a carmelist whereas yesterday's case we had imaginary walls that broke it up into smaller sections so this is what i did tonight just really ferment the irobar but you guys can use it as well and that's why i was a little late so we had like this we have this case right over here where the residence comes through and through and there's and and there's no good asking according to rav and the gemara asked you should be also to the rabbit so rap says well if you don't see where the wall is you don't you can't tell that there's a wall loy minkera so therefore this rooftop and this rooftop the two blues are open to each other and they make it awesome for you to walk around mma you're limited to four atmos according to rav in this case where the gemara asked so you should not be able to carry from you see the red arrow shouldn't be able to carry at all on this rooftop why because you have the surrounding behind here and this is richard surrounding should should answer this roof says gemar no over here you do have merchants you have mahitas all the way around it's minkar these mahritas are noticeable and therefore they separate you from the russo-saraban and now if we're going to shmuel so i kind of cheated over here shmuel says if it's too so then it's also it's red it's usual if it's less than two so it's mother okay these pictures are not so good for small they're really good for rav but i wanted to put them all in one thing we had a question between rav and rav and schwall and shmuel the answer is when there is a mechita that you could tell that's it works as good asic so therefore the surrounding doesn't bother me when you cannot tell that there's a majitsa coming through then it's a problem according to rav according to shmuel has nothing to do with you could tell or not tell according to shmuel has to do how big the rooftop is if it's too so then it's a caramelist it's way too big to do a good acidic megista if it's less than two saw then the mojitos go up in this case and you do have proper mojitos says gemara just to finish off this the suggyo and then explains what we explained the honeymoon these walls were created where's that picture any picture [Applause] according to shmuel why don't we have this invisible mojito because the walls were created for the people that live in the apartments they weren't created for the rooftop and therefore uh they're they're made for downstairs they have eaten and they're not made for upstairs science therefore it's a car faf oh that's a word i didn't use before carfaf it's an enclosed area that for wood or whatever you know like one of these yards that you store wood but it's not for residential purposes it's that large it's more than two so hook up you cannot carry more than four ammos but what about good asking pretend that there are walls and so you don't use grassy mercury for something that's not residential and rap says you could use good assignment for not residential now we're going to take a short break what about a ship what about an aircraft carrier right people use bikes to get from one side to the other giant ship rav omar mutter litalta bakula says rav you can carry on the entire ship ushmolam you can only carry four amis why because once again you have good asset and it's considered hookah fla diro we are turning to daf satya gomez bay sponsored in memory of dr analyst salsa's mother shendelbat aaron hersh and bracha and sponsored by the austin and tobias grandchildren at the end of the day the ship's walls go up and they surround the whole ship so become and you can carry them since the ship is larger than tucson so we don't say that these walls are proper walls these walls are there to make sure water doesn't come in it's they're not walls for deera so right now we understand the question and later we're going to see perhaps he's asking on something else but in this case of svena you argue with rav you schmuel say you could only carry four amis rap says he could carry an entire ship you're on a a cruise ship on shabbos raf says he carried the whole thing schwa says no only for ammos do we pass him like you that's a little crazy yeah in fact that was like rav you carry an entire ship we're going to come back to this because later on they want to say perhaps he's asking on something else he takes the ship and flips it over now i don't know i haven't seen really a picture of this maybe i have i didn't really search but you know people take older airplanes they'll take a 747 they'll make a house out of it i'm sure they take they'll take a cruise ship flip it on its uh i don't know they'll probably take it and leave it upright but okay they think they take a ship flip it over now there's two things that are happening here either he wants to live in it he brought it on shore he wants to live on it or he's trying to fix it [Music] carrying a ship as much as you want he holds it if you flip it over hey methadone you only have four ammos now why follow my element he was trying to live underneath it why only dollaramas he wanted to live underneath look beautiful as windows it's a real it's a building that he just turned in it's a ship that he turned into a building mma law this whole tap should be one russians if it's owned by one guy one rooftop one will say and you have these majidas rav doesn't care if it's more than two saw even more than two saw i could say it's great no he brought it in for repair he wants to put a new layer of tyre on the whole outside so obviously he doesn't want to live in it he doesn't want to live in it it's not it's not habitable it's not considered resident it's not considered resident then the makitas don't go up rav only says that when you have a residence so this would be very interesting because it'll come out that according to this what about a beam i have to look into it more actually discusses it what about a beam that's tenth and it's tenth falcon tall four by four you're not living in a beam so then why do you have walls that go all the way up you need walls in order to make that beam you have to come on to good asset that the walls on the side go up so right now he's going to hold there it's not it's not it's not considered nobody this that he asked him all my leg three lines from the top that we had did you retract or not retract and he said yes i retracted it allah is like rav when it comes to the question was actually asked of shmuel do you retract your aloha on a ship and he said yes you could carry an entire ship and rebecca said no it was not asked on a ship the question was completely different there was a macholicas in a second here we go you have an exadra in middle of nowhere all four walls are not against anything raph says you could carry an entire thing anywhere and shmuel says no why only four hours these here this is how my pergola is built it's a little different some people have these cross beams in the beam mine are actually on top just like this picture rashi seems to say if you look at you see this there's a beam over here and then you have these guys on top that's how rashi says it that it's only because you have this very large beam that comes down and you pretend you have an imaginary wall on all four sides now notice standard the gemara asked the question on a it's a middle of a desert it's the middle of a bicker but if it was about it against the wall one wall even then there wouldn't be a shyla it would everybody shmuel would agree you get to carry everywhere then you then you couldn't close all four walls it's because it's the middle of nowhere that schmuel argues and says there's no pete dick or yary besides him on all four sides okay i mean you don't say it and on that he came and he asked shmuel hey did you retract that and on that he said yes i retract allah and i pass it i later on in my life i regretted it is like rav who says he could carry an entire thing so she says that regretted on a ship and who is this the son of rava says he regretted this of the pergola says the gemara this is one of the most interesting rashes that i've seen in terms of hajj man how it goes through the whole soga these are ginormous rashes i'll try to do my best i mean it's not necessary for the sugiyo but let's see what we could do here virav alibadore mayer rav who says according to her mayor that what according to a mayor the rooftop the entire thing is considered one russo's it's considered the whole rooftop so if you have a rooftop that's we actually learned the other day and we're going to learn it in a few minutes remember holds that all roof taps are are russos all hat series are russos and all car fabs are russos but you cannot go from a cutter to a gag and from a gag to a caravan you go from many gagas but not one for you can't mix the categories why not if a gag is a hundred percent division is 100 why can't i go from my rooftop to my cotter what's the problem says the gemara zero meshum only because you're right you should be able to but because typically the roof is higher up than a than a khattar so that's the luck that we learned the other day that is a concern you might carry in russia surrounding you you might take something and put on on top of a beam because if i allow you to step it up to go up and falcon you might do something versus a rabble it's like zero nothing with anything else now why didn't the gemara ask this question shmuel and remayer and why didn't the gemara ask this question rav on rabbana and that's what rashi goes through beautifully i encourage you to look at rashi but i just did a really short one over here so rashi just says rav the gemara's question is rav in remainer that the rooftop is considered one why can't i go from a gag to a gag to akatsura i wrote russia okay sorry which is why not ask the question according to albaran because in fact you are allowed to go from a gag to hutter as we're going to see in a minute so there's no question the only questions according to remember says you cannot go from a roof to hutter why not they're both but according to abandon you could go no question great now why is this only a question according to rav in remain what about jamal shmueler and mayer hold that the rooftop is a carmelus oh so then you cannot go from a caramelist to your khatzer it's you can't go from a conversation okay fine and as we explained that good asic doesn't create a malcolm dero it doesn't make it into it doesn't make your carmelos roof adiron okay next question and this is the last one ushumuel ali [Music] who holds in a singular roof that's more than two saw nitato mega carp shouldn't they be the same category a a giant roof that's more than two saw that's like a carafe that's more than two saw so why do rabonan hold that you cannot go from a carafe to a roof from a roof to carafe they're in the same category shouldn't you be allowed to carry from the same categories and the same kind the different names one is a gog one is a carafe but it's the same category they do the same thing they're both giant open spaces that are not meant to live in why can they carry from one to the other i could carry from one chiropractor to another caravel from one god to another god in fact say you could go from a gag to hatches we're going to see soon but why not from a doctor if through the same category very interesting we are concerned and here's a little bit of a picture as much as you could get but if you look over here you'll see that there are a bunch of bricks in a pile in other words this based on the picture before in kuala lushan this rooftop came came all the way out and now it is it was reduced in size now what happened is that this entire rooftop is less than two saw less than two saw creates usually say and then it would be awesome to go from the chiropractic you see this nice chiropractor of all the wood now it's a different category the whole question is when it's more than two saw then it's in the same category as a car fav but if it's reduced and i don't and i'm not paying attention that somebody reduced it i might carry from here to there says the gemara oh it doesn't make sense from the carpet not me loyalty tattoo so anytime you have back-to-back car favorites maybe one of them is going to be reduced in size and then you're going from a kaif that's more than two assaults or a car that's listening to saw oscar one of those one is that says that are surrounded you see a kaifa has walls around it so when you reduce it it's noticeable you'll see that it got smaller but it's very in open spaces it's very hard to tell how large open space is and when you reduce an open space area without any walls very hard to tell that something happened fine again if somebody has time you should go through these rashes rashidi mask rashidi is a good one and then we have over here in the static aleph it's a very short sugy of three lines but the rashi goes all the way down to where it is wide also amazing stuff says the gemara and we had this gemara that's why we learned it even though rashi's uh of an amazing rashi here um when you really look into this and you start thinking about it the divirabe mayor so we have like any other time we have a three-way macholicas so let's let's just talk it out about pep we have the shita of rip shimon he's the most makeable he says you could go from a gag to a kaifa from a kaif of tagad where is that you could jump from here to there to there we'll see story my sister they're all the same category god kharfa khattar all the same mma like you go from one to the other through the whole city not even owned by one person he's the most makeup then you have ruby mayor he divides them up he says no they're all separate carpets are by themselves a hutzer is by itself gog is by itself so he's on the other side and then you have rabona there in the middle they say some of it is the same category so not hotzer and gag are in the same category but kapha is by itself so rashi here says a very interesting thing he says that you could go from a hutter that's owned by an individual tohata that's owned by an individual and then he says you go from a chat that's owned by the rabbit you cannot go from a cutter of an individual to a cutter of an individual five five-ish i haven't seen you in months show malachim and also absorption feather i haven't seen you either maybe it's the america thing huh okay a lot of new people not new people constantino pashkis what's going on here oh i thought you guys left me tamar levy uh it's time to get up and make a record now shalom alaikum abe newman so what it's only because i was in america you left me that's it back there okay i got it it's the night chair thank you thank you wow it's great to see everybody there's a bunch of other people here also okay good girl what does that mean divided up if you're we we just discussed this a lot the game are are separate they're different you can't go from gag to gag in rav but it means you could go from a gag to a hutter your own gag your own roof to your own clutzer carpet and all the chiropractors are by themselves and rashi if you want to see a beautiful rashi how ravihuda understood this how he realized that this is what does it mean because himself when you look deep in what is the deep rashi brings you through the depth how he was medic from this and got this and all the beautiful stuff her boys have a wonderful evening have a wonderful week oh that's right leon the whole shop is asleep i you know you're in trouble because i spoke to you on thursday you didn't mention a thing to me garnished was this a it was a side where is he where's the yeah here's leon mazel tov leon mazel tov casa narcissa all i hope yeah all right is everybody why is everybody not unmuted could i mute people don't mean they're muting okay good he's a big he's a big night guy mr bashkins he came a few times to mdy at night but come on you couldn't visit me watched you on once we thought we had the shoes when you're out of 10 pounds to go to youtube where are you you're here you're in ramachamish hey lon wow very nice welcome welcome thank you thank you ryan buddenheim what's going on i hear you get you're getting a guest soon in gimel it's not it's not like i don't know if it's official i don't know i heard it he's telling people about it so whatever we won't talk about it robin what hi akiva did you get your lucky back you're lucky in cairo did you get your mother back i sent the mother back home to you it wasn't in the best condition but it's it's not bad oh the schreiber's oh my gosh i forgot about these people joe you couldn't visit me in a month i don't care what's going on there i was having khaleesha's i was thinking about all these people that left i said fiveish and joe and oh yeah yeah i was it was one of those multi-shop awesome even though i had an hour and a half still didn't even have time to put on my tie i was used to america because in america we didn't do the thai thing because it's sunday morning what no i wasn't on the whole shabbos i didn't wear the whole shabbos let me let me shut off youtube hold on we don't want you to hear the politics about ties