Daf Yomi Eruvin Daf 58 by R’ Eli Stefansky

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tomorrow and unfortunately i i wanted to meet as many people as i can and do the whole thing but unfortunately with the situation we have to be very very limited meeting as few people as possible i know muncie wanted to do this whole thing we'll meet the people the regulars and this but we got to keep it very very tame i'm staying by my brother who you know that we we do a whole little uh whole revolution for my sister-in-law it's her house bar hashem she's recovering but she her immune system is very very low and i don't know why he invited he really wants us to be there i need to be really really careful so that being said i'll meet people but but i'm very limited and masked in social distancing unfortunately i promise i'll be back one day we'll do it the proper way but i will be in new york starting from tomorrow i'll try to make my rounds a little lakewood a little muncie a little brooklyn but again we'll try to tame it down small small crowds uh the less people the better for now all right that being said i do have a i don't understand some somebody wrote this tremendous long muslims saying that i gave i i set over a story how i found an asterisk and i didn't mention that it was the seat of the sheminate protest i thought it was very clear i did say it's mdy my memphis you're right but maybe maybe he wasn't paying attention or for anybody else who misunderstood what i said it was a mifas godel it was a seattle shane kamayu it was the end of the day there zero destroy him i decide okay let's just at least buy a lulav and not only did i get an estrict somebody came to return nestor i have no idea what he what he had instead of disaster like how could it be better than this it even had a garter i never had an esri that had a guy the middle was like squeezed in it had the perfect it has a perfect color the perfect everything i have to show you a picture of it zero zero i mean i looked somalia remark so anyways no it was the moifes golden it was you know it was a good thing you do yeah you prepared the daf do your thing i'll take care of you that's how i felt if you didn't understand the story no reason to write such a long long music moves on something that was so clear what is going on here okay here's a quick email it's also not so quick because it's this long but first i should say thank you for getting me into the daf this is from mikhail david sukh i think this is pronounced it's been about 25 years since i learned gemara and hearing this year was getting a new cycle got me inspired i found that in august it's going to try to category a voice i send in your emails i'm ready to do more emails send them in and also raboisai upload or update the app only about 400 people have updated their app we need many more there are a couple thousand people that have the app so update it be one of those people i'm telling this kadai it's been about 25 years fine i found that in august oh so he says like this and i was going to try to catch up from brachas but your instruction that it's the young me and not so much the daf convinced me to jump to aravind it's been a wonderful journey so far i'm catching up on weekends with brachas and shabbos and hope to have them finished sometime in the next year give welding oh that's the way to do it you jump into aravind and you worry about bronchus and shabbos at a different time worse comes to worse you don't do it this psyche you'll do next cycle but at least we get going you don't let the heart get in the way but here's the kicker yoshiro are wonderful i watch them in the mornings in oregon usa so we have a guy from oregon usa i don't even know yeah i don't know where it is it says usa i guess it's in america i also see you were live in chicago as i'm getting ready for bed it makes me charcoal yeah makes me chuckle it's like it don't get worse it's one hour later may this year continue the next seven years and beyond i've checked that other online stream and find that you don't rush through as if your shoes are on fire this guy only does them with owl so far i guess like some of the more yeshiva show ones and you don't get too technical or too boring your liveliness banter interactions the real wellness make this year engaging and fun thank you and you shakayak and then ask the whole question about uh fine i hope you have a great job it's a good yantef may the weather be decent in chicago believe it or not in today's daf there's actually a word there's a word in the word but we're holding three lines down we were over a big big no no in da fa me and that is to go into the next day's death but i couldn't control myself we did it fast and we're going to go we're going to explain the mishna more or less in today's gemara says how do you know we're talking about how you measure you measure at home with a rope that's 50 ammo long i hold one end you hold the next end and we just keep on going until we do this over and over until we get to 2000 ammo 40 times i hold this end then you hold that in i hold that 50. it has to be a rope of 50 ammo binary melee how do we know that we use a rope that's 50 ammo long omer vido marav do macro or hotspot and we had this gemara extensively where we're learning kara fifa is how wide is a cara fav and we said at 70. yesterday we were talking about the chiropractic of 72 thirds how do we know this amount from this it's 50 wide by a hundred it's 5 000 amaz if you want to square it out instead of 50 by 100 you do 70 and two-thirds by 72 so that's how we have the measure of 72 thirds but the politics says all the possible should say is verizon the width is 50. why does it say the actual word teaches us that the rope that you measure the throm which by the way is the rabbanaan it's not even an apostle but this isn't as mata unless you're bakiva it's beautiful if it says it's doris who else says is there isa mayor we by the way the rambam passing is like rebecchivo that trum is the right but everybody else seems to hold differently so we know from the passing from the extra word um you should measure with a rope that's 50 ammo jaime lamar is going to explain why 50 ammo what's so special about 50. why not why not 26. jaime bailey little commissioner but we already learned that extra word to teach us the idea of seventy and two-thirds by seventeen two-thirds for karfaf that's not much of ludira mkay namakra mishamishim there's an actual word but not only is the actual word commission but it says it's actually base and an extra commission so you learn two things from the commission you learn one thing from the base you learn another smash me no i can learn two things out of this video now why can't this rope be any longer than 50. tonally pockets you know if you have especially in those days how do you how are you creating this rope you're taking different uh reeds whatever you're doing you're taking this vine that the growth so if you pull it too strong you might you might stretch it a little bit today also i guess if you have a rope they're stretchable they're not like it's not metal so the mela if it's 50 which is manageable i grab one end it's 100 feet long it's pretty long by the time me and you we start playing tug of war it's going to become 51 let's say or 50 in a couple of inches that's a problem below your sir that's if it's shorter but if it's very long if it's already 50 ammo by the time i pull it you pull it we get it nice and taut we're not we're not going to make it any longer than 50. now why not more than 50. okay so so do 60. 50 it's not going to become any stretch it's not going to stretch but that's 50. what about 60 60. now it's so long that there's going to be a little bit of a give in it you can't pull it that taut when it's more than 100 feet there's going to be a little bit of a of a belly there it's going to be it's going to dip that dip is not good you need to get it nice and straight nice chemo i love these gemaras so i don't get anything by telling me what a schema is because i'm telling you it's nargila okay and what's not gila minor gila or mervyakov dick love navarro we had this many times you have this uh like some sort of grass that grows around the palm tree it's a singular grass one piece the chad nevarra and that's how they made the rope out of that's the only material you can make it out of ikeda now in the ikida armory in this shot we have two shots either it's nargila i don't know what it is but the kumar knew what it was the first shot was it's nargila which is dikla now we're saying no it's either nargila a or b it's dikla it's from a palm tree thank you i would use metal chains because the metal chain you can't stretch and you make it nice and tight inviting young and i have a perfect well why are you using reeds uh something from a some some sort of grass that grows around the palm tree that's not very yeah use a measuring tape that's a piece of metal it doesn't matter we don't know avoman acid sharia omertoro but the turret tells us not to use a metal chain in the future base amigdas yes describes he says oh he's going to have he's going to use you know what it might be this year right now this week this coming week after you know climbing and then trump and the whole zach everybody say she's coming next week so but they're not going to go to home depot and buy that ubiode is going to have a measuring rope that's it no more no matter but it also says in the same powershell by haskell in the future based on mcdodge they're going to use a stick not a rope oh the tarry you use a stick when it's a very short measurement you want to know that how wide the gate is so use a measuring thing i i just seriously i'm sitting here it's the same people that were here night one are here tonight and the same people that sat with me till one o'clock in the morning er evante it's an unbelievable sacrifice you're getting a nice vacation now for about a week i'll see you next week baja hashem and there's actually good news they might let me back into israel if you weren't in america for 21 days you could apply for a permit so but if you're there for more than 21 days then you cannot so i guess my daughter is going to be stuck here for another few months but anyway viktor we'll be back soon can't wait voxiv not that you guys are terrible just i don't feel comfortable i feel you know geshmach and rbs mdy you know the maths of my house this i don't know 11 15 at night saying what happened you guys are the best i miss you i miss you tons miss your tons y'all's gonna miss me there's nothing like old bergman i gave him a tour of my house today yeah but uh y'all was gonna have to come through this drill fine the three types of ropes now we are arguing on rivassi ravasi says we're using the fascimo which is either nargila or it's decal and yeah i just need a cup yo yo his mom is uh big taddick either and he brought water he brings it from his house he doesn't it doesn't take from the kitchen he brings it from his house unbelievable and linen shall magog laparo why would i use reed for the para duma para duma can't have any toma the reed is not makable this you take this million dollar cow the guy in upstate new york a few years ago had a para duma he wasn't religious he said i'm not selling it for a million dollars maybe the messiah will come tomorrow i want to be the one with the para duma some khasit offered him a million dollars supposedly he turned it down this part of that's worth a million dollars you take it and you burn it and you take the ashes and you sprinkle it on somebody that's tommy mace yeah avada so we're not talking about part of us now i just threw it in for a second when we get to those alakas we'll discuss it so you take the paraduma in chicago they have all these interesting questions i'm just whatever don't ignore them so you take the prior duma you tie it up with a special rope called magog because islamic kabatoomi can't have the party get get from a rope why would you use a bark of a robotry the saita for the site because one of the things the queen has to do is he has to rip her clothing from her shoulder exposes her so that she shouldn't be exposed you take this rope and you tie it above your chest shall piston what do you do with the linen limit though oh so anytime you have to whatever needs to be measured like by us by chrome or mccloud all these things you measure with a linen rope but it's what we said before that it's made of out of episkemia what is it called a fast chemo nargila fascimo now he's saying no he holds reverse of holes it's made out of linen not a fascimo all right let's just go real quickly i see dvr nedwin that's kevalde i just want to see who's on first mikhail kaplan seltzer it's always great to see him mati middledorf i don't know what that is aaron razovsky is gewaldek in chicago freezing i guess he rather being a sucker than b by us he doesn't drink water outside the sukkah finally decided to come on to the shear i know i know you're there every day no i know you're there every day i'm hocking in shining who else jonathan bottner wow wow wow he doesn't you don't have to smoke these days it's all sorts of stuff anyway fine who else um and jonathan bottner raboisei it is a beautiful sukkah wow beautiful sukkah andrew love it he had a minion for him kipper and rosh hashanah there don't ask so jonathan every time you see jonathan reminds me of basketball i haven't played in seven months i think okay her voice i we're going into a beautiful sugar i gotta go back to the other other screen right here we go okay from schwartz is here the boy's side right piece of waxman gets a big mouth he his uh grandson i think got engaged right now i was supposed to meet him here in chicago he's here in chicago and i kept on pushing him off and now i'm flying away from here show me around maybe when i get back but he's leaving okay hi maiden so we had a very interesting case i hope i didn't mess it up he's trying to measure this blue line he's trying to see where this 2000 am is going on this blue line here's the city and he goes out goes out problem is that he encounters a valley here you see this black line valley so you cannot continue over what does he do the problem is that the valley if you look over here this blue line shows you the the the width of the valley more than 50 ammo huh canyon call whatever you want canyon the mark calls it a valley a gay a valley canyon this blue line represents the width of the valley even though you can't really see it so well the picture but trust me it's the width of this blue light the blue line is too wide your only 50. you can't use a rope that's 60. so what do you do so the idea that the mission says is you go all the way you follow the valley till there's a very narrow area you see here's a very short blue line that you could use that you could have one person stand on one side another person standing the other side and shalom israel the problem is that there's a red line the red line indicates that there's a troom you passed the chrome you went past this red line you can't go past the red line it's outside of the trom so the mission says don't don't do that don't measure from outside because people are going to think that the throne continues past this red line they see you measuring over here but the troom is up to here okay it doesn't say when you read the mishnah it should say that if there's a a canyon a valley you toss a rope to the other side of the valley reuben stands on one side chimney stands on the other side they pull it and they pretend there's no valley just go right there as if it's as if it's straight planes somalia and david feinberg how are you how many days are we into this i don't know what's going on there what's my what's my record 300 and what anybody know okay do your husband and get back to me please umar says from the fact that it says in the mishnah what's the losses if he was measuring the gala guy and higata valley or lago de mavlioi so all it should say is the halacha of mavlio means i pretend there's no valley i stand on one side and my friend stands on the other side and there's no valley for all we we don't care about the valley why what's the tremendous kid to share tremendous because if i don't have a halacha called mavlioi then i would be i would have to go into the valley measure downwards measure the floor measure the upward climb and go go on who says that i could do an aerial measurement the kumar says i could use my drone and go right over the valleys if nothing happened that's called mavlioi but then the mission says a word the choice what's the medal who where am i going to where am i going back to i'm there i'm already there i have a rope here and i tell you go over there and we continue what's the kaiser oh from the word it's telling me a new a new idea and that's the idea that we discussed here that if i can't the valley is too wide what's going on avi what's the big joke over here what's the sim card i have no idea that if i can't do it here do it do it later on in the line let's see if i have a picture of that no okay fine let me show that the point is i could do it over here forget about the trom i can do over here as long as it's not outside of the throne that's the hyzer i do it over here and then i just figure out where i am compared to where i was before i continue on i go up that's the heiser i do it in the narrow part of the valley where my rope fits the 50 almond fits i take that measurement and apply it to where i was before the hyzer and i go back okay says it's too wide the valley is too wide i go to a narrow part of the valley um and then what with cypher this never works everybody says i don't know how the mother thinks it's going to work you look from a distance you eye it you your eyeball you say oh i was back over here middle of the desert no no no a little bit to the left okay let's continue from there okay fine the seife connected me doesn't continue measuring your two thousand dollars the guy you were measuring you're trying to get two thousand but you get that valley if you could pretend that there's no valley go above the valley great s so we're going to go according to the second channel ratio if the valley takes a nasty 90 degree turn so you're measuring but then the the valley turns the narrow part of the valley is after return could you see it yeah you could see so you're trying to measure from here from the city you're a thousand i'ma let's say you cross the valley but you can't cross the valley why because the valley is too wide so you take this little trip through the red line you take the red line and you measure the valley over here and then you go from here you go you measure as if there's no valley on the flat surface that's how raj is going to learn you take a trip over the valley over measure and you continue you follow this red line and continue invite there as if you went over the valley over instead of going over the valley in the white part you go over the valley after it turns you're on the western side of the city you're going to go to the northern side climb over measure and continue okay as i state um if the valley takes a turn makader voila as follows this is not going to work for different reasons it doesn't work it's out whatever so what you do is this is the macadam you drill through and through basically you take a rope from as the kumar's gonna describe later on and on base from one's chest to the to the feet chest feet so you have a straight rope all the way up and or all the way down the valley highly causal what happens if you get to a wall an immika of a causal you can't puncture the wall in other words what does it mean to puncture a wall you can't make a hole through a wall so what you do is you take a big rod two rods and a string on top and you go over the wall with that and you imagine like that basically the same thing you would do to a valley just you do it over a wall you're using a string above a wall how two poles two ladders do it any way you want you just take a string you pretend there's no wall you go above the wall introduces a new idea we have a bunch of ideas i'll try to make a say there of everything that we're learning because there's a bunch of alarms here when we finish the suggest so now we're talking about the idea of a med i just estimate or let's call it guesstimate guesstimate i look at my wall and i say ah that's approximately two and a half feet let's add two and a half feet to the top let's go right there it doesn't exist next tremendous cooler now this is a step above a bigger cooler than just taking a rope above the wall taking a rope above a a valley this is like just in your head whatever you decide la la it works frankie maro how could you say that i could just guesstimate we learned that if you have a get there in the mishnah it says he girl a guy or a god there get there and a wall is the same exact thing offense meaning a pile of stones something you can't contend with so you have to you have to use mavlion you have to use rope that's above the wall you can't just guesstimate hassam niko where i can use a rope so that's called mislocate a sore metal harba if you recall that term of the rise over run if the rise over run is manageable i can walk you see people are walking yes it's kind of an incline but it's not the worst in the world then you use a rope here's your wall it's a wall that's manageable but if it's a really steep wall a regular wall that has you can't climb a wall we're not monkeys so that you could estimate where do i say this of coider so you see how many ideas we're throwing at here we have koider we have oymed we have mavlia hoider is to drill through a mountain how rope chest the foot chest the foot etc when do i say this aloha of coider ellos when i worked in construction back in the day and i did and i used to build walls and stuff like that we had to use something called a plumb line it's some this you could buy this exact thing you buy in home depot today it's a piece of metal steel or whatever and it has a string and you you hold it from a highway whatever you hold it from a certain position and it shows you exactly where the point below your hand is what's that noise um ellie you're lucky you're not in rbs right now your shirt would have gone black your power went out really we had that problem here in chicago you don't remember we had one night we didn't have any a disaster is that the stuff that makes a mark when you go like down that's something else anyway so the gemara had the exact same thing it's called hotels it's a plumb line and just by mistake turned off the wrong switch they don't have the like okay that's we're not going to talk about that the difference between chicago yeah every once in a while the electric just decides to go off they don't give you notice you're in the elevator no electric why they decided the guy next door we were in the middle of a shear and they just turned off the whole electric why because the guy next door decide most likely nobody needs it right now but we were middle of the shirt at night that time and they shut off the electric anyway but we're here in chicago we have electric you guys will have to watch it on youtube later omar have you done now here's a nice picture from the israel huddler here's he has a nice little steel ball at on the bottom of a string now if the if you could use this guy in other words as the gamora is going to describe later it's not more than four ammos of an incline you don't have four amis a part of the canyon it's a it's a steep vertical plane and the and the hood this plumb line goes to the bottom great location when do you do d-ro when do i use the rope and the whole thing and people hold it and this and that is when i have more than four almonds of an incline in the my my plumb line is not going to reach the bottom it's going to hit the wall so if it's going to hit the wall i have to use kadira i have to use the other the other way of doing it i have to hold these i have to do this guy yes if my plumb line doesn't reach the bottom i have to do this kadiro now we are turning to daf nunchus and by anonymous by the way i found out who the anonymous five thousand dollars was bor hashem he's the true anonymous not one of those wannabe he's the original original anonymous you're not anonymous you'll save that's kind of his family to be toro jews all right listen to this this is a cooler you hear why is this cool can anybody figure out why this is a cooler if the plumb line goes to the bottom meaning it's less than four amish of an incline medida so i get to measure the bottom surface of the canyon i climb into the canyon and i measure the surface of the canyon and then i climb up i don't i don't include the walls the verticals the bottom so listen to this beautiful critters here i have up to four amas on both sides in other words 3.99 amaz if my plumb line works up to 399. in other words i get another four amis almost on each side for free part of my trim that's a cooler again if i put my plumb line into the canyon and the whole wall is is a bit of a what is it called a bit of an angle of incline of 3.99 ammo there's a little bit of a slope there great there's a little bit of a slope but it only it's only 3.99 on one side and 3.99 on the other side okay then i can measure from the bottom to the bottom but i get all this for free this is 3.9 amaze and this is 3.9 almonds i get almost eight armors added to my now i did notice that the beer aloha says that it doesn't matter whether the top part is wider than 50 amish or not although the rush learns over here that it's dafco if it's more than 50 hours do we do this okay the common increasing guy how deep is this canyon up to the 2000 armor because 2000 ammo is its own little chrome up to 2000. it says that it's only up to 100 why are you telling me up to two thousand when do i have law when do i use a rope from side to side it's only up to a hundred not two thousand villain okay this inch more and you just said even more than 2 thousand amma and tanaka certainly is not because this is up to 100 depth says so if the the plum line doesn't go you can't do it in other words it's more than four atmos of a slope so what is this how much of a slope are we discussing as we said the most you could include in a slope it doesn't have to be 100 vertical it could be a little bit of a slope of 4 ammos but there's enough gamino whether you could use the slope or not whether you get two thousand ammo or more lahar okay so you know we'll continue and then i'll show you what we have over here mountain so you do have on top of the mountain as well you take a string you pull it on top of the mountain if you can't do it it's too wide you go somewhere else where it's narrower and then you come back on omarov so we have two lashings in pay attention here very interesting if the rise to run is tenth for him across four ammos here i don't know if you could see so well from the picture but you have four ammos and tenth ten falcon tall over a a run of promise however you have to go over 5 amis which is less of a slope might be then you just measure it as you're going a normal regular measuring that's shot number one last year number one in rava ravana you have nothing massively cool buddha says if the mountain the rise to run is tenth for him high after it goes up five ammos takes five amas to get to tenth falcon so he only has two measurements here there's the rise to run five over ten over five ammos and ten over four ammos ten over four amis is oymed you just give it a little bit of a look you decide on your own what it is now i know we're running out of time here we must see twice this inside and for that i did a little bit of a chart if you want you don't have to replace this i'll read it you could look at the chart go down eight lines two four six eight lines the hashtag to sum up the whole suggyo we have four halachas in a mountain if it's a very nice incline it's walkable then you just measure it as if it's flat the aim is like but if it takes if it's on a bigger steeper incline mavlia then you use a string on both sides you pretend it's not there it's two whatever make had there then you use that of drilling use people the dash miche if you can't walk it you can do it then you give it its own little estimation now you skip a little bit of tight space go down a couple lines two four six eight ten lines and it says like this uh fizzy lotion in rather number two that we had before we said you measure regular he says no according to this last year we do have law you use a rope um and if it's ten the right to run is over four oim then you do an estimation and if using a plumb line then you ignore every or the entire whatever the four amis less than four amps of the slope fine oh and one more chart here and what about a valley there are two major outlooks in the valley what you do is either mavlia you go over the valley but if you can't go over a valley you do coider you drill so it's my vlog there now if there's if you could use a plumb line then you do a media you measure the bottom of the valley all right those are the lockers here again in a valley you either use a rope from the side and if you can't you you you drill but if you use a plumb line then you go to the bottom of the valley and you measure the bottom floor of the valley but actually i'd say says the gemara um why can't he go out of the tomb and that was this case over where is it let's see if i can find it all the way in the beginning oh so right over here he's trying to measure no he's trying to measure the line but he has a valley so he goes to the narrow part of the valley but the narrow part of the valley is past the trum going this way past the trump sees now i go past it home why not um executive people are going to say oh this is in the trom even though the line is over here they seem measuring so they'll say i could go out of there we learned this we explained it how do you do oh yeah everything's messed up here oh how do you do this how do you do kedur how do you the bottom one against his heart alien connecting the megalith and the string the rope goes to the other guy's feet omar by nakano named this string is only four hours not a centimeter more um if they find a body between cities and they don't know which city is closer so they wow i lost 10 people there what's going on they're running the shockers so they got rufus they have to measure which city is closest they don't know so they use you don't do keith you don't drill you have to use a a rope why it's dairisa vilaibari miklot and if somebody kills somebody by mistake he could run away from the guayaladam from the relatives and he could be within the trump of the city of the emiglot or the arya levine why can't you do keith why can't you drill me toyra you know what we'll stop over here this will be new york's daf non-test we'll start from the mishnah or a boy side have a wonderful wonderful day evening night very good no i'm still on or he ran ah that's why we lost so many people i hear okay let's power so no i'm just gone i think i think my twin should oh here he is i see noah i so know i'm somewhere no i mean what does he tell him yeah i know y'all say if you also if you want to say tell him somebody said yo you say to him go [Music] foreign [Music] foreign