Daf Yomi Bava Kama Daf 34 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] go morning ra [Laughter] [Applause] [Music] Bo [Applause] it's to be back the r see that the R I expect the to laugh at my nerdy [Laughter] jokes love it love it I realiz this is the longest I've been away in the last 10 years and I realized that every day that I'm here in is a gift from Hashem a gift for my wife something a gift for myself but uh it's great to be back bem it lasts it's long lasting um before I begin this year I it's the first time I'm here and I didn't even see I'm going to look now Robert could you please come here as it's possible I know it's Robert ear is here I did not see him or speak to him since the tragedy and I could come to you but thank you I'm here I'm here gave us a lot of pH that you were here the day after is unbelievable and have what that's me so when you learn uh yeah sorry half of hold on hold on hold on hold on I got to turn this on this is the first time this ever happened this's a sign hold on on it says RF mute off okay good sorry go I saying when I the she loading half of sh for my son I felt little obligated to come the next day which is good that's what did it it wasn't a d it was it's not I want I want to say thank you to everybody for taking on the D and making it such and everything else and for coming and thank uh a lot of people asked me as I walked in here what's with what's with the weight why so I'll tell you B I'm not going to take off the weight until the war is over what yeah yesterday I had a little bit of a boo booo in sheer I called the famous shimmy braw I called y Schwarz and I I mixed up the names and uh I'm not I'm not making this up I came home my wife came a day before me I came home and on my desk on my desk right where I Learned was this picture of yidi Schwarz so there shouldn't be any doubts who he is in my mind this y Schwarz and that's shimmy Brun shimmy Bron is the mat guy y Schwarz is this guy he told me a mice about this kid this little guy that because of the shear I said once in Shear something that the little kid should be watching the da instead of watching Barney see since then he doesn't watch uh what's that Lulu what is it called something melon Coco lemon I don't know what Coco how do you know okay anyway you know what Bo said because we we had a very very late start because of the tech and everything Bor we'll just skip the emails and we'll go straight to oh this is TR P from Staten Island fine sometimes the undiagnosed ADHD is worse than the ADHD itself and yes I'm probably writing this email to celebrate three years of learning DFI it all started when meny greenl f43 started a group called Citywide DFI which I Jo joined after curiosity this is the first time I opened up gamar in four years and actually stood something then came the cus where Sam gillig ch12 made his first C you remember all that all the guys back in the day and then Along Came my sim I successfully made a see on the first in my life watch attach video rebell your meaning of has become a new reality and I'm proud to be part of this reality attach of photos of us from many different occasions I threw in a few of them I want my friends who may see this to know that if I if I can do it so can you P St New York this is PES wearing a SP here I am with him here he is as a in the when I went to Brooklyn and uh talking about I'll skip this one for now but here's f94 because somebody sponsored uh that that a to come back to the DA and here he is he came back to the DA I said it's a STI a loss for mdy because when he's off the D we get a lot of sponsorships okay B will stick it out will take the loss the and worldwide in memory of honor of alah in order to attend the sheer live daily no pressure oh I need you in Chicago like wow the guy did you really time out you really moved there because of the share 100% where you thinking about moving to where else but show me your your uh sweatshirt you're real you're the real deal here come over here are you able to get through we got to start we got to start ma welcome now you can't miss it he also said he moved there for the she and sometimes he misses once in a while no just all right Waldman Jacob third y former principal of Jew College London and leading expert in jewi studies Chicago they never spoke through the I'm not used to this crazy for the harness month for the art for that come from supporting here's a question if you learned this da don't answer if you know the M don't answer the question is how it possible that an animal does damage and you're for that damage but if a human being does damage you Potter the animal's worse off than a human being anybody without cheating so all the guys that learn to die for not cheating knew what's the answer human human being should be worse animal does damage he oh very very good we're holding three three lines from the bottom we know that a is here we go you see meaning that when a when a that does animal that does damage less than four times he pays half only but he only pays the value of what he's worth that animal that did the damage whatever he's worth up to1 if he's worth $100 up to $100 what's going on who's okay not me ask thear like this brand new what happens if this animal that damaged another animal the owner owes a lot of money to somebody they come the malva that lent of money comes and grabs the animal whether the damage that this animal caused was before the loan after the loan the guy comes and grabs the animal again the only place where you could get the money from when a Time causes damage is from that animal comes and grabs the animal now we can't get paid the cannot take the animal it's reserved for the damage that the animal caused to somebody else if the damage came so the he came first but wait a minute what happens when there's a loan that happened before the hezek the [Music] now we have let's say you have two loans one happened in January the other one happened in February the guy from February comes and grabs something is it a good grab or not he's the second in line and we you see over here it says there's there that's how we pass him maybe he could prove it from this over here you see that the second guy that comes and takes something for his doesn't work no the second guy could grab over here by the by the ax by the you the lender There's A lender and there's a damager or I'm sorry the damaged I should say the one that got damaged there's two people here fighting for this bull the lender grabbed a bull so the damaged party tells the lender if the bull was in your possession and damaged me I would go after you what kind ofar is this we have to add a little bit from ask in other words say I have no other option my only option is this bull you have other options go after his house go after this car what do you need the bull for the bull is reserved for me I only have one place to go I'm a I was n by a Tom I could only take from the Tom's body that's it so what are you what are you messing with me it's not we're not equals over here when when I lent when two people lend $100 at different months but they both they both coming from the same tinina one was first one was second over here you're right that the bull the damage happened afterwards but he has no no other option if the lender is going to take the bull then the guy that had the damage to his own bull is not not going to get paid at all that's the over here what yeah so they have so the talk about it that this he was he gave right no no I hear what you're saying he's asking how does a guy with a loan ever go after a bull it's met so you have to say it's a so it's a then he's also the only one that's what he's asking it's a good a but they they talk about it and they say that they gave him two leans property and the bull that's what we have to say okay good didn't want to get into it but if you're asking ready Two bows that were equal and we're going to have this case similar to this case but this is the classic in the t two bulls that have equal value they both worth 200 and he caus damage that's 50 and this bull that caused damage went up in value sorry here let's go let's see this inside oh this is sorry okay here you have two two bowls they both 200 and it caused 50 damage I you know what this might be later in the mishna the the the animal that got damaged got fatter got bigger ate more go with the first one which he likes it went up in value it it reminded me of let's say of Co let's say you had a car accident right before Co so your your car you bought your car for $10,000 it went down in value now it's worth $5,000 then Co hits and a used car that was worth $ 30 $40,000 remember you couldn't get a car so went up in value but he's saying but if you didn't hit me it would have got up in value to $50,000 you caus me damage yeah you're right that the damaged cow went up in value even more than it was worth at the accident but it could have got even more could have got even double this is a big that you go by the meaning that's it but if it would have gone up think about it for a second the is telling us something here according to first that's what we're going with had it gone up to 800 he wouldn't pay anything which is a py you you hit a guy's car you owe him $100 and the guy says I don't owe you anything you know why because a week later when you came to to claim it your car went up in value so much more than than the than the dent I did so what but at the time of the dent you owe me $100 no but today you could sell your car for much more money I don't owe you anything that's what thear says if you could get to the 800 you haven't L huh you haven't lost but at the time of the damage you lost at the time of damage you lost so today not okay yeah it went to four it could have gone to right because it could have gone to eight only because it could have got and you only got four now pay up the dent that you did all the way in the beginning the 50 but if not if it didn't if it didn't if it didn't just go up to 400 it went up to the potential to the 800 then he doesn't have to pay 50 that's a huge what if it went down in value so we're going to see that it has to do with like an internal injury that it kept on going down in value because of the injury it sustained before so now you can't say oh in January it was only $50 damage today it's $500 damage why should I pay 500 in January it's only 50 no because in February it's 500 because of what happened in January he gave him a gun zets in his lungs and now the guy can't bring it anymore it's going to keep on going down in value because of the damage that he did in January so has to pay whatever the B says months later no I would say time out time out no time out no I'll give you an example I'll give you an example what if the what if the body went down in value we said that the N has to eat the loss no it's not always so POS at the time of the death that's it listen don't give me a hard time now I just came back from America everybody they let me do mistakes all sorts of things right you complain of mistakes and now all you're going to start asking me L this guy's asking me crazy he could have put me here on the spot it's not [Music] nice this is you guys should be like Chicago Chicago is the highest level it's not a lot of people the very high Lev if the now we're going to the not the animal that caused the damage went up in value the time they went up in value you give no by the time of the is this the time went down then you give it whatever it is at the time of now let's go back for a second let's see if the animal that caused the damage went up in value we only give as the time of we're talking about yeah we had between do we view this as a partnership or do we viiew this as a loan he owes a money he took money from him he has to pay money so the fact that his up or down in value doesn't matter anything okay uh fine I what yeah we're g show like we did before look at the secondly we learned that when it goes down in value then we look at what the future holds what the bz said later on that's that that that goes like r that says that they are Partners can't be that within the same sentence you're going to say two different what they're Partners we should go based on whatever is better for the guy the beginning the end the partners we're talking about where he F an animal himself the mazik went and gave the animal food food food he blew him up so the N can't come and benefit from because of that fattening I just want to say remind one of the probably the biggest slip that I had since I was saying she is when I said this word and M in this case I'm not going to go into it but basically I was trying to TI up the uh the thing in yish and it just came out really bad and I turned colors on the spot and uh some guy in New York decided it would be funny if he took the clip of me saying that came out like a not a nice saying in English but I was saying it in yish so he took it and he put it on a reel and he said it over and over and he sent it out okay so at the time it was like it was embarrassing it's it was not comfortable but then about a year later uh a certain individual came to the shear and he said I want to tell you something I could tell you Bish he said I could tell you Bish that I brought over a 100 people to your I said he said he does certain therapy and certain people the shear is the best thing that ever happened to them saves their life blah blah blah blah blah hold rash so I said you're exact I said over 100 says by the way you know I came to yes CU I watched that clip so you never know sometimes it's a it's a terrible thing I B won't do the mistake again but I'm just saying it now I can use the story over and make different things out of it you know if it's talking about that he fat the animal how does it fit into the if the animal is worth 400 no we go back to what it was at the time of the damage what why would I have a hav a that the should get and benefit from the fact that the the mazik upgraded his animal and he fattened him and put in GPS and all the good stuff into the tractor why should he benefit from it so says the most B answer sort of you're right it doesn't it's even that it's talking about even if you f him or It Happen by itself is not in the case of fattening the the regular case that it had it went up in value all by itself not because the maik did it so I would think that the N should share in the prophets right that was the's answer talking about fatting you can't talking about two cases in the the ra could be talking about both cases only one case if the of the became uh the truth is let me see now I have this here thank you have Remy you know what let me sayy who many many times many times got up at 4 3 4 in the morning I don't know if you've ever done it when somebody wakes you up in the middle of the night the kid wakes you up it's the most annoying thing call him AB Remy I need your help mark on a on a plane to Phoenix because he goes every week no M don't don't even bother don't worry about do it to for going through the through the nights and all crazy hours to Gary to all the [Applause] people um here this guy this is just a um a thing that to thank you thank you to AI factor for for being obious [Applause] Factor now you thank you to I don't know he said I should say thank you I'm saying thank you for being there for buying me barus for when I came home for being everything what do you mean why so here's you have tar just Yoshi went through the these are animated things he was able to show a k and a sham a fat guy and a and you like it okay good I wasn't going to go to it but because I've REM through the sin now I have let me just show you I have on my screen I could push any one of the slides that I want and that's that's what I was missing in America B one day soon yeah I was missing not huh this week's pirate show with the very nice you were waiting 20 minutes to say that himself okay asking simple what happened if afterwards the guy used it he used his animal and it became weaker so he says you are using your animal you're making it worth less and I have to pay for it it got an internal injury that's how you say internal injury in the gamar your your horn is buried inside my sh I married a daughter of a surgeon so I've heard many stories that happened with not but his Apprentice they do surgery and the guy comes back a week later says I'm having crazy pain my felt felt this felt that all a sudden he feels like a bump he hoed right away to he says you have to go is really his Apprentice we need to do an emergency surgery right now they opened them up pulled out a gauze sometimes things get stuck in there after surgery it happens it happens as a matter of fact he showed me that the gaues have like a blue line on it that you can see in the X-ray what yeah okay not anymore cuz it didn't happen to my shirt happened to the other guy anyway there is such a thing um so two things I just want to say real quickly first of all we're talking about it's almost khaka and khaka is this what we're talking about so the we know that the kar was also used as a baby battle and the B say that the Yim wanted the children when they very very young with the baby battle that's under battle right like million Kamas teaches their babies to to to kill y that's why they're so good at it and they love it and not to to love to die soba theba if you teach your son and you learn that in front of him and you learn obviously yeah the other thing is that this car just we should take it as many times and I'm talking to myself because I'm probably more guilty than anybody else in the room about you give a guy a a bad word it could stay in him the K that could stay him for many many years and people say all the time you once told me this and this thing you remember you me this and that what right fine but I have to be more careful because people get more insulted more okay 200 against 200 and a total loss and this we have some beautiful charts here to make the sug very understandable here it is so they're both worth 200 I don't know if you notice on the the sh it says 200 and actually the the well yeah okay you could see that the letters move it's like in the skin of the sh it moves together with the sh it's very interesting so the guy's dead and now he's worth zero so the damage is 200 so is you pay half of that half of the damage that's the classic case in the to of hold on here you pay 100 I forgot this part great okay it's 100 now here's the asks but what about the last four words in the what is that doing there you're right if that's the classic case and that's it 50 great what about the rest you are 100% right and there's no in this Mna what a Time everybody agrees 50% however what are you going do about the the the the carcass you should divide that also oh so what is the case here it is it's very simple and the bottom line is it comes out the exact same thing the is going to ask the question so what's the difference between bu it's identical but the way he gets there the way okay the reason why he does it is because the T gives us a riddle and we have to answer the riddle what's in the riddle the bottom line is but why does so comes to this m it's like P almost okay and it goes like this 200 against the 200 and there's $150 150 damage why because the NAA the carcass is worth so let's go over here for a second oh now the Maz is word wor 200 you have to split that in half he gets half of that the the he has 50 left how much is half of 50 25 so you take the 100 and the 25 and you put it together and you give it to the it comes out if you do the math here I'll show you over here he takes he takes the 200 splits in half that's 100 it gives it over there you take the 50 you split that in half also 12 each one gets 12 25 it comes out how much did he how much did he receive at the end of the day received 75 he received half of the 150 NE he started out with 150 damage he got 75 why because you take the the the live one and you split his value in half if they're equal 200 and 200 and you take the Dead one you split in half how much Nez is there there was how much value is in the dead 150 you divide that in half you could do that in all numbers anyway you want will come out to the same thing because a little bit from here a lot from there you put it together you make a mishmash you put it there and at the end of the day he's getting only half of the Nez the was 150 he's getting 75 why did the T say like that we'll have to see maybe we come huh no no no go to go to the next case two lines before the end fine h no he ends up with 75 75 huh he gets heav he gets he ends up with 75 that's what he ends up with no no no [Music] anyways we don't have no no no he gets 75 look Rashi said we're just doing it word for word again but in Reverse we're saying rebiew the first and second but it's the same exact thing as we just learned this what we just said no there's no says is worth zero a total loss only gets 50% he gets 100 now answers what is he saying why does say that he says very very simple that the only thing you're going to get is half of what the live one is worth so if you have the damage that you have from Death in other words the damage the only thing you're going to get for the damage is what the live Maz is worth half of that the t is telling you you can't go crazy you can't get more than that you can't get less gar is going to give us some examples so basically what the is over here that not every time you go based on the live one but sometimes you have to go so you're never going to gain the bottom line is if you're only going to get half of the damage in other words at the end of the day each one is getting half the damage you're getting 75 so then where is the oh my so one try is this is something that we already had in the who has to suffer the loss of the carcass when the carcass starts going down in value every minute the the clock starts ticking when it when it dies it's worth a 100 a day later it's only worth 50 by the time you get to bz it's only worth $10 who suffers the $90 damage the has nothing to do with this he's not a partner at all there's a partnership over here each one right what did I say you don't gain at the end of you don't gain 125 you don't gain the lost the Lost he lost 75 it's it's a complicated thing to say a very simple thing just to in order to combine the two statements in the if you're telling me that the ma is a partner here and he has to participate in the in the loss of the carcass we know that when it comes to says the owner the has to take care of it nothing to do with the so when it comes to time review that says the Ma has to suffer consequence in other words time the the damager is more responsible than a m if you're going to say yes that makes sense it's not we learn we have if you don't watch the animal this doesn't make sense logically but that's how it is and we not going to explain now that if you don't watch your animal correctly properly if it's a time you have to pay more than a m why see see yeah there's such a thing that sometime a time is worse than a m hey yeah you're right brings from if you don't watch a well you have to pay more than if you don't watch a m well fine however and I'll prove it to you anyways we're turning huhan sh the his holy nephew son of Robert ear Robert and Jen so yes I'll prove to you that the time is not as as more it can't be that time is more than one that's worth a 100 damaged one that's worth 20 and the N is only worth four here we have a a chart here real quickly the mazik is worth 100 the N I see it's hard to see from over here is worth 20 did I put 50 over there no it's supposed to be 20 now no it says on the anal it says 20 in the bottom it says 50 maybe I messed that up now now it's worth four so how much damage is there four four minus 6 20 is 16 yeah the 16 damage so comes out if you take half of the hundred that's 50 half of the maze is two so it's 52 I would think such a thing now what you hear what's going on here theik had a $20 damage he's walking away in the bank with $52 does that make sense $20 orig you're you're telling me no is just asking me he's asking he's if you're going to if you're going to take going to go in every single case the same way and take half of the maik half the comes out that he's gonna gain and that doesn't make any sense why is he called a obviously it's only pays exactly what he he says what does he say the word is more than a don't ever tell me that a is more like the second word on this that was your question oh comes out the is more himself says the is so in order to answer the question that it seems like the ma is in the loss of the no the opposite when it goes up in value that's says there's no and therefore it belongs all the profit of Thea goes yeah like right now the so manyas guys in jail that you have to feed them carcasses dead smelly meat so the value of the Dead smelly meat goes up in value he first was worth 20 now it's worth 100 there a big demand oh himself says there is a so I'm going to split with the I'm going to split with him the the Mas is going to take some now tell gets to share in the profets of thec here is 20 that the maik was worth less than the a 20 destroyed a 100 and the is worth 50 so what happens you take half of 50 is 25 half of 20 is 10 so he gets 35 but that's not yeah the mazik he he started out with a 20 animal he's going to get paid 35 that's like what happened somebody threw a stone at him so he goes to bzen the D says oh you owe the guy that threw the stone at you why because he he helped you be make his Dam blood letting remember the the maic gets paid you have to pay the maic what he took a stone through it in his head on the judge's head he says now that you have blood now you pay him okay she wasn't exactly anyway no so the bottom line what just happened there it's true that the mazik shares within is he shares only to deduct from what he owes but not to come home with a prophet you can't damage somebody's car and walk away with a prophet you could say oh I'm I'm a sh in your cars so m i don't have to pay that much but not to not to profit from it oh and another thing I never found such thing that but I also have a is talking about when no five against five it's worth 10 more than what it was before maybe in that case the Mas should take because there's no loss at all for the if he's coming out of pocket it doesn't make sense but if they're the literally we call them calls them partners and there's no loss for the N why because it just went up in value so maybe should take a little bit never gets money what do we do we have to go V because we started we started very late because I came how how many how how much time are we in we're only 42 minutes okay till the Mish okay now we saw from the right the last part of the he that you never go over a half you always get the guy always gets half that's it so this one I did I just took Yoshi's thing so sorry for the sloppiness I I'm just basically on what Rashi says here Rashi has a case the Maz is worth 50 the N is worth 40 so the mazik did damage to the N which is worth 10 less than him the dead body is worth 20 split the 20 that's 10 split the 50 is 25 together is 35 half of the is 10 it comes out this here over here we don't have a problem the is benefiting the is this this is if you want to go within what you're telling me that you have to take everything and divide everything in half and give it to each other so over here you take the 50 of the ma the 40 of the n divid and half boom boom boom comes out the 35 35 is a little bit more than the 10 that he's supposed to get for and it's not possible says the no that what it can never be more than half remember learned from he can never give more than half both both may learning it from the same exact POS which one we said said one that's on the if it goes down in value but said if the goes up in value that's what we learn from let's just see this the word is extra we have he does does learn from the last four words but he used three words for one one word for the have a wonderful day it's great to be back oh let's do shal real quickly everybody together I know but the that's watching [Music] for that