CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 96 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Morning [music] boys are holding up bays by Auturo like 13 14 lines from the bottom. There was this oven. They put the oil of not oil the the fat of an animal. Fat of an animal is fleshik. It's a meaty here. Something like this rais here. He's dunking this paintbrush into shaman in some country somewhere in the oven. TECHNOLOGY. So that's said it's to eat the bread coming out of this oven. Any bread ever made in this oven in 15 years from now would be even if you eat the bread just with salt. The problem is You have fleshiks absorbed into or meaty. What do they say in what >> in England? Meaty. [clears throat] Yeah. Fleshix absorbed into the oven and that fleshik will go into your bread and you eat bread. A lot of people eat bread and butter, bread and cream cheese. But look what he says. He says, "Even if you're going to even if you're going to do some sort of uh it's called, you light up the the the oven over and over." No, it's absorbed in the walls of the oven. Get rid of it. Can't can't use it. Why? Because of And is made out of milk. And you might eat the bread that has flesh together with the milk. You don't need the dough with milksh and if you do everything that you the entire batch is also because you might come to eat that bread together with meat similarly you don't smear the inside of the oven with the fat of the tail and if you do the entire bread is what [snorts] does it say here? It says that if you do have if you if you heat up the oven that's enough to get rid of the flavor that was absorbed in the walls of the oven. A second ago we said that it doesn't work forever and never you can't use this oven. It's a bomb question says over here that works. So, we just established that you could take a cle and heat it up and you'll get whatever was absorbed in that oven out. So, if that's the case, if you have in absorbed in a you must break it. What if goes by then you also have to break it. Why? We we view this stuff this in the as you can't have pes you must break the question is why why don't we just heat it up you just said if you heat it up you could take anything that was absorbed in the clay so you'll heat up the remove the from within the clay >> yeah okay we're not going to this that we said before that you could heat up an oven and whatever it is will come out of the oven. That's a metal oven, not that of wear. You have to break. [clears throat] No, we're talking about wear. There's two things that we're talking about. We're talking about an oven and we're talking about a pot. When it comes to an oven, you could heat it up from the inside and that's perfect. Why? Because it absorbs from the inside. So if you heat it up from the inside, it's good enough. He wants to say, I don't want to confuse anybody, but the point is that it the heat, the ble, the absorption came from the inside. It'll pop it out from the outside from the inside. Ask the gimar. So what's the problem? So don't use a torch on the outside of the earth. use it on the inside of the earthenware says it's a problem since the pot is not made to put the fire on the inside like that. The pot where what do you fire? You fire from the outside. So he's concerned that if he puts fire inside the pot, it might crack it and therefore what? You won't do a good job. Either he'll he'll he'll fake it. He'll do he'll do a you won't do a great job in the inside or he'll use the fire on the outside. He'll say, "No, I can't do it on the inside. I'll do on the outside says he'll go. So they would use these clay tiles. They would flip it over like especially the tiles that go on the the spits of the roof, those round ones. Flip it over, put a fire underneath and uh bake a bread in there with some fat from an animal. Put a bread in there and cook it up. Because the way we here, check out this picture. The fire goes from underneath. So the fire is from the outside. You can't you can't put the fire inside because he's gonna he's gonna be a warrior that he might crack it and break it comes al this is forever. Why do you have to break the path of the mdash? Put it back inside the oven. In other words, if you put if you take any kind of earthen wear, you put it in an oven, there's no hash inside outside, it's going to get burnt up. All the beliefs are going to come out and that's it. The says you have a piece of Yeah. Let's say this is and I use this and there's some ble inside here. I take this as is with the ble. I put it in an oven. I'm not I'm not spraying it with fire from the outside, the inside. I'm putting it in an oven. I cover the oven like this guy just did here like this and I leave it in there for 24 hours. Whatever he did over there. But the point is that all the bas pop out and maybe I can reuse it. What's the problem? There's no kash that I only going to do from the outside and then and I really need from the inside because the heat of the oven goes in. It doesn't matter. The heat is from the inside goes into the inside. There's a gamorra in that says there's 10 things about your here. Here's a list of the 10 things. And number six is you don't make piles of garbage in you don't make kils all the smoke the what is it in China they have a lot of >> pollution the pollution smog air pollution you don't make you don't want to have black smoke says so what are you gonna do you're gonna make a pile of the stuff in the mdash it's also on the Number six, right before it says you can't make piles of garbage. How you going to make a pile of these shards of the of the broken pieces of says and he says when you break a earthnware vessel it gets absorbed wherever it is in that place. Why why was the why was the oven made out of metal? Make it out ofware. Why we establish there's two types of earnware. This is the oven and that the heat comes from within and that it's okay. You could heat it up and get rid of the ble. You have pots that are problematic because you have to heat it from the outside. People don't like to do it from the inside because they might crack. But in the mdash, we're talking about an oven. The oven is not a problem. You can just heat it up and get rid of the ble says until now we're talking about. No, there's something else to consider. We have the two breads and we have the the 12ish. We don't make any is made out of earth. you said this is a kiss from this if you remember this dates there's certain that weren't made out of metal they were made out of wood which was made out of wood in the mdash anybody what ah the wrong It was covered with with uh with gold. The manoya was made out of wood. They didn't have money. They they couldn't afford. They made out of wood and they said in later generation they went up and then they went up until they were able to get gold. But that's only wood. Never is even I think they even talk about it that it has now that it's like something wrong with it. It's like some it's earth. It's That's something else. I saying that even the itself it's just it's a very very simple cle and and whatever. Okay. I saw that they said that there's like a in it. There's like something wrong with it. Story time was a of a He decided to go to a different he went to gave he went to you know the feeling you know the feeling he goes to and who does he bump into oh it's uncomfortable very uncomfortable his old rebi so there's a saying and he called him basically the saying you think you're going to hold the hand of the duke of the prince or whatever the second command you think it's going to rub off on you. You think the the perfume that he wears is going to rub off on you. A lot of people think that if they hang out by they become or if they hang out by wealthy people he'll drop like a mill over here and you know it's not that's what they think. You think you're going to go to you're going to be what do you think? So when I was learning this, it was posit to me. You could argue. >> He wouldn't go over to this and say, "Listen, Rebby, I have a problem with the way you're teaching me. I want to go to another." He say what? He think you go to be like this. Not why I went. You when I would ask you a question. So he's being blunt with him. Why? Because you just you just he just ripped into him. He like him. He called him a belgiva. Basically, you're going for the wrong reasons. He says, "Okay, now I have to be honest with you. When I ask you a question, you use logic." The problem with logic is that I have a Bryce that says the opposite of you. So, your logic flies out the window. Was an expert in Bris says Raji. He knew all the >> Oh. Oh, I'm gonna get there in a second. Says when he came to meet when he metas he was he he used to shiver from from fear. So he's going to ask me now a contradiction to Bryce. He's going to expect me to know the answer. So was the big expert. He says I ask him a question. He brings me a R from a Brya. End the story. Ah, sometimes somebody's going to bring a Bryce. So you give a contradiction for another. So it's one B against another. So Roman took offense to that. Ask me anything and I will give you an answer with logic. You'll see that my logic matches the Bit A. So he asked him a question mix showing you what mixes means. I thought when I was learning it mixes cle what was mixes I I I I cooked in in a in partial partial pot. What does that mean? You think it means like you did half of the pot halfway up. You built made you cooking soup halfway up. That could be one shot but it's more like this to the width. I only used half the width of the pot because a pot of soup the all the steam goes up the walls. It's probably not as good as this. This it's possible that there's no ble on the left side of this. You made an egg on one side. Okay. He asks Bishop. We're going to get into a little bit more as we go on. [clears throat] Do does it require to wash out the pot? The entire pot. You just do that that area. You don't have to wash the whole pot. just that area of the food. So he tells him with logic that if blood hits part of your garment, you don't have to wash the whole garment. We learned yesterday, just wash that area. So to over here, you just have to wash the area that is ble says he tells him there's no bry like that. You told me that you're going to tell me logic and I'm going to match it up to a bryce. What does it say in the bry? It does say in the it says in our Mishna it says it says talks about clothing and I'm going to say a pot is like like clothing. So basically [clears throat] basically it's the same thing. There is a brace like me just like you only have to wash part of the beggot. You only wash part of the me dummy. What am I stupid? >> That's [laughter] just a joke. We used to say yeshiva me dummy. What am I stupid? Is this is this similar? Blood doesn't go anywhere. Bishel the the steam the the not even the steam and anybody made French fries or schnitle knows get your hands away from there it's going to go everywhere yeah it sprays it goes it moves now this is literally checkmate there's when you when it goes on the clothing you have to wash the clothing there's ara that doesn't And there's something that has that when you have to wash your clothing from blood, it doesn't have the works with all the inner ones, the outer ones. You have to wash your clothing. What about from a bird of a bird that we learned? No. But inner outer. Yes. Oh, so hold on a second. Let's explain. You if the blood gets on you before the dam, you have to you have to wash it. What'sifa is when you cook something in a pot. There's no cooking in any pot unless there's and by the way there's no cooking on one of those two. Which one? The something that meet that goes in the what do you do with it? You got to burn it. So there is no and also there's no before of the because you have to you can't eat it if there's no. So that's the of as we saw according to most is also now listen to this. What is this called right over here our part of it was on the fire part of it wasn't it's on the right side and the left side if it was part of the entire needs what is that that's a checkmate to says you don't have to wash the entire cle says you have to wash the whole cle so says the gimar You don't have this. This is only by conceds. He says you're right. Okay. If you have a I'm wrong. So what is he saying? Let's bring this home. What is he saying? >> You're right for leaving me. >> You're right for leaving me. I thought What was your reason? Because your could give you a Bria. I thought I could also give you Bri. I couldn't get you a Bri. So therefore you you did the right thing by leaving me. Why do you have to wash the entire even if you only cooked in part of the you have to wash out the whole So what does it say in the beginning of the whole para look the par of and where does it say anything about washing cumin in it starts It's the par and in there talks about how do I know that let's say you also have to wash out the pot after you cook a schlamad now wait a minute if it says it would mean only like and but not what's going on here so we have to see the so Maybe will include also there's an exclusion here. It is [clears throat and cough] says if you have any blood you have to wash. So means not wait a minute. It says in the only thing that you need is only but not then we have to understand it says so where did he get says if The Tyra was telling us only Kachim note. So then the Tyra should have just said Kachim and get rid of the word. And if it comes to exclude to beim certainly truma you don't have to wash truma. If you don't even have to wash a carbon called schlim then of course truma which is less than a carbon called schlam. So then why does it say the word? Oh is referring to also and comes to exclude only I love this when the does this you would have no clue what this means it's zero absolutely nothing if you don't have so says where goes through a whole thing I'm not going to go through all this but basically says I'll remind you If you shed an animal and blood got onto your shirt, but it never had a kosher. It was never kosher cuz you thought in your mind pagle there's no difference that and if you it had a was kosher animal then later somebody else touched it. Over there it says whether it had or not. So is using this this word that we're just talking about this for this the is not extra and when the Tyra says it's to exclude but according to the is extra why would the I could learn everything from the word from the two words obviously comes to I don't understand doesn't require and is on the outside ma is in the If you cooked meat in a dish, you're not allowed to cook dairy in it. And how do you know if if it's if it's bad or not? You get to taste it. If you could ta if you taste cholant in your spaghetti in your um what's a lasagna. You taste lasagna, you have a problem. What does always tell us? That it's 60th and with truma. You can't cook if you are not a bishop again. If you could taste the truma then candy. So you see from over here that you need to wash it out. You see that even by truma you need to wash it. So you have three roots and of course Truma needs. So says what the difference between Truma and everything else is that everything else if you if you cook in some of the some of the pot we just said you have to do to the whole pot. But when it comes to Truma the difference of Truma is of course you have to wash it but only that part that you use. Of course you have to wash through you have to use water not wine and not diluted wine but when it comes to truma you can be malle and use wine and muzz I think also inim let's say you're in a chocolate factory do you have to empty out all the chocolate and use water to do a kale or you can use hot chocolate to do a kale the answer I think you could use hot chocolate if you use other things when it comes to products Another thing that what's the difference between Trum and everything else is reading your stuff. They knew. Thanks for sending it to me. After Oh, only with cold water. What does it mean cold water? A boy say, "How can you wash out a P with cold water? How can you wash out with cold water?" What's the answer? >> After. After. Of course you do. Of course you do. Hot water says Rashi. Of course, you're gonna do the hot, but afterwards you do cold. What does that mean? Shuma doesn't require the cold. All you need to do is dunk it in hot. I think today to put it in cold water afterwards, but it's not necessary. I mean, cool it off. >> What? >> No, no, no. That's like going from hot to cold. It gives it a shock. Bof, all the all the bleers fly out. No, no, no. It's not to cool it off. You see, you learn new things here. There's in addition to the do this is the so why does it need in other words doesn't need there's there's two colds and one hat. Truma doesn't need two colds. Everything else the carbonas need two colds in a hot. Truma does not need have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor [music] at mdy.com.