CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 93 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Welcome back. Here we are. Oh, no, no, no. We're holding B here. Look at this P for a second. What is this referring to? What kind of katas is is it also referring to a bird? So this is a very interesting question. I'm telling you these are if you think about these questions they're all gishmach we know that there's no cliches when it comes to a bird an animal you do and what do you do afterwards kabala you have to take a kicharis you have to take one of the golden vessels and and catch the blood by a bird there's no such thing you take the actual bird and you put the bird on the misb you you swing it towards the misb you touch the mb you do you do mit what's the is the bird is the you don't need a clichus. How do you how do you view it? If you took the blood of the bird, you took the whole bird with its blood into the what's we consider the neck of the bird. The bird itself is what the vessel that holds the blood and therefore by bringing it in the whole bird becomes possible. No, it's similar to the animal. The animal if the blood is inside the animal and you brought the animal into the you could take the animal out of the and catch the blood and do and everything is good. It's not considered that the blood went in. It's only considered the blood went in when it's in it says by an animal not if by taking in an animal the meat and in the meat is blood. So maybe the same thing by a by a bird. If this bird was if a bird after the jumped into the was convulsing whatever the word is was >> checking with the convulsing >> convulsing >> I don't know but is that the right word is convulsing the right word in this case? Okay, he's convulsing and it just uh it had these movements. It started running into the and came and made a U-turn and came back out and I could [clears throat] infer from this it could be it's because she went in herself. But if you brought the bird in it would be possible even though there's no cliches here and the blood is inside the bird says that's not a very good because then the other way. So let's just see a second. This is let me show you the other one first. I think it starts with the other one. So but it's the second case we just brought it from another. Where do you perban the kachum? Where do you them on the north side of the of the of the aara? So you have an animal like with I saw with my own eyes an animal and they don't want to waste time. So a millise second after the they release the animal out of the cage and it drafts into a pit and it bleeds out or whatever and this animal got up on all four and started running around. So, >> no, we're talking about a behemoth here. Usually, the ones that I saw had four legs. We're talking about we're talking about an animal, not a bird. It went to the south side of the of the if it if it went to the south and came back it's now [snorts] the truth is it doesn't have to come back right she says it doesn't have to come back it's just to mimic the lion of the what we just read that if it went into the and came back out then it's caution once you do once you do this this animal could go anywhere anywhere and that's what the is basically saying you're going to tell me you want to be that if a human being after the after took the animal from the north dragged it into the south side of the of the aar it's possible why would it be possible you only have to do in the north you can bring the animal afterwards anywhere you want of course that's not the that's not a good deal so then if that's not a good deal here it can't be a good deal in the first part this animal went outside we we we need it for something else that if it came out it went out completely from the mikdash it's it's no good it's so in the also you can't make any another question if the blood from the bird spilled onto the floor what's the now >> and he gathered it he gathered it off the If blood from an animal spills on the floor, >> are you allowed to pick it up and do? >> No. >> No. If blood from an animal goes into and then from the klesharis it spills on the floor. You allowed to pick it up and do >> yes cuz it was in the cliches. Wants to know what's the with the bird? Is the neck of the bird its cliches? Here he did some sort of picture here like is the is the bird the actual birdleas? It's a is you don't need a clichus at all. Why? So over here you have to stick in not that you don't need a clear itself is a cleichar like this picture. It is a clich. If the blood falls on the floor, you can pick it up and continue your and your whatever you need to do or perhaps no it's also to use a therefore we don't consider the neck of the of the bird aaris and if you if it falls on the floor it's no good. You would think we learned the Mishna that the blood of requires a Mishna. We learned it in the it's a we learned in the Mishna that if blood from touches your garment you must wash off the blood. What about a bird? No is an exception to the rule. So possibly now asks a beautiful question and we're going to use this this kind of logic as well. Here's here's here's the the blood of the the bird and [snorts] it spilled. It went flying. We have this this this u this blood as this blood is traveling through the ear it became possible means the garment and it's as if before it actually hit here the the blood became puzzle. Now, let's go back for one second. Blood that's ple we learned in the Mishna does not require kibos. It's only blood that's not ple. But how could we have a situation that the blood of a bird is kosher before it hits a begged as it's flying through the ear? >> The blood of the bird should become >> ple before it hits the begg. So once it is the be it's already possible and we don't have to wash it at all. >> The pul is because it's in the ear of the be the bead. >> The be is not a cle you have to have >> no we're talking about we're talking about that if it goes off the floor right if you gather it off you can't it's possible. So the the ear as we're going to see soon the it's >> yeah the airspace above the cle as it's as it's flying right over the cle unless it hits like the front right over but if it's flying over the the beed at that point midair it turns puzzle and then it hits the beed it's already puzzle and it hits the bag there's a way to do it there's a way to do it you take the cle like this and you touch the beaded so there's no air space As soon as it comes out of the out of the bird, it touches the touches the begg it it the the blood goes from the cle from a behem talking [clears throat] about an animal. Now it goes from an animal to a begged to another begged once it hits the first one. So it's already no good and and therefore it becomes possible went to the second begged you don't have to do kibus or maybe listen to this maybe if it's on a cle on a begged you're able actually to squeeze it out and once you squeeze it out and you take the blood you can continue throwing it maybe and therefore the first cle didn't make it possible and could go to the second begged and it'll make the and you yeah the second bean and the first began would have the same that's a good question he said no I I'll either way any way you look at it this garment needs to be washed out why either if you could squeeze out a begged and grab the blood from there and do it's kosher kosher so you have kosher blood on the second begged and the second begged needs to be washed but if you cannot squeeze out the first one the blood is possiblely I hold like we're going to have this today we didn't see him yet we had in the argu that what that if this blood as it was traveling through the ear is a kosher blood and when it hit your begg it becomes ple and you cannot squeeze it out it doesn't matter matter because since this blood was kosher for 10 seconds of its lifetime. So you're right that right now it's pussle blood and pussle blood you don't have to wash but in this case you do have to wash to beg it. Why? Because it was kosher for 10 seconds of its life. The fact that right now it's not kosher. He holds that if you have blood that was kosher kosher kosher and then all of a sudden a tummy person touched it you still have to wash your clothing if that blood touched your beet you have to wash this garment end of the question now this question is about a 10-minute answer and it's galdic but I'm warning you that it it goes like till half the here so you got Pay attention. It's not difficult. But it's so just to remind who is compared to >> son-in-law. Oh is holding >> one of two son-in-law. >> One of Well, at least yeah, he who's the other son-in-law. >> Ra who was second was first and asked. No, it just makes a little bit makes it more interesting like you know what's going here's the question and this this we have to this you have to use logic over here you have blood that's flying through the ear flying through the air if the blood is tummy ley hear this if the blood is tummy if the blood is tummy you don't have to wash your garment the blood is kosher kosher tar tar tar car and it hits your garment which is tummy. So simultaneously it became tame and touched your beggot at the same exact time. How do we view this blood? The blood was kosher blood was t blood which you have if it touched your begot you'd have to wash your beggot but your beggot itself is tummy and when it touched your beggot it switched into tummy blood and tummy blood you don't have to wash. So how do we view it? Do you have to wash your begg or not? Oh, so it's why because we have a similar case where first of all first of all you have to maybe I should have mentioned it before but we kind of did since you're asking such a question it's so obvious this blood this blood in the mid in midair ear was it was tar tar I I don't care what it touched later. I don't care who touched later. According to that, that blood needs to be washed out of your your begg for 10 seconds of its life was kosher. What happened afterwards? Doesn't interest me according to obviously puta aside. There's no question according to you have to do kibos. I'm talking about according to the says that if eventually became t you don't have to do kibbos, you don't have to wash it. So over here it touched the tummy begg and it became t eventually. But but when it touched it, it was still so maybe you do have to do that's only it became and then it touched the but maybe if simultaneously it hit the as it was kosher as it was maybe you have to wash it maybe there's no difference you're going to love this the lush in here could spin your head but I'm going to make it a little easier going to take out one word this according to the answers. So [snorts] first of all we got to get rid of the word Rabbi because Rashi says as we see in the sug Rabbi was defeated in this case but Rabbi was grew up by so to give him honor we say that's according to so let's do it again like answers okay so let's get into it this is also very interesting telling I I love this stuff you have the Somebody went to touch the dead person. You have to sprinkle him with water. Not to be confused with damas which we're also discussing in the same next to each other. No, but seriously don't get confused between and referring to water. Damas is the blood that comes out of a carbon. We know anyway. I'm just going to throw this in because this has nothing to do with the meat itself. The one that that that sprinkles it becomes tom. The one that gets sprinkled gets tart. But what if the itself is a dead person touched the madas itself? A sher touched it. Does it have the power to make somebody or not? So we're going off a little bit and we're going to come back to our question. So now our question is which was and in midair and then it touched a begg that's is it considered to blood or blood. So now we have that for sure it's it became it has the power to make a person. How do I know a woman who who herself is tame? She herself is tame. She could get out of the she has two toas going on there. First she went to LA and she she herself is an So you could sprinkle her with meas to get rid of the tum of mace. All she needs to do is eventually when she can she'll go to the mikvah and she'll remove both tumas just like a regular person goes to has to go to the mikvah she'll also go and get rid of tumas tumas in the same time but don't say that the the the water that hit her in the face became tumasid even if it did it's good enough to be mire so you see that Water that's tame has the power to make a person tar because obviously when it hit her it became tummy anything that touches her becomes tummy. If she sits on a couch the couch becomes tummy. So certainly the when they touch her they become yet they have the power to make her tar. So you see that even something that's to begin with if the were to begin with they also have the power. goes like he's this is beautiful stuff. So here here's the sherets. This this guy is dead and we're going to pretend this is an oven. Doesn't matter. Just means in a box. Put the sherets over here somewhere like this. Whoa. I don't I might have broken it. Okay. >> No, no, no. inside the the the mikvah inside the this this it's inside this. Okay, >> this is an oven. Sorry. There's an oven here. We go like that. Okay, you see him? Okay, now there's a there's a cup of water over here. And this is a window. Yeah, you can. Maybe I'll turn it a little bit. You can see this is a window right over here. So my hand goes in through the window and I grab this water and I'm going slowly slow motion just so you see I just passed over >> the sherets the the oven that has a sher inside. Now, everybody remembers back in the day. I actually showed a football player or an athlete that took a football, an American football, tossed it, I don't know how many yards, 50 yards, and this guy's a speedster. He ran and he caught his own his own pass. But I don't even know why. Fine. So, if you say, let's I don't even we don't have to use that. But the point is that as it's flying over, it's as if it rested in every every moment. It it rests. It rests. It It's as if you put it down. So it's as if I put it down right into the oven. And now everything in my vessel over here becomes tame. Even though I'm flying over over the thing. What does that have to do with us? Because by nida also and in our suya also as it's flying over the nida it becomes tame. It's as if it landed on your hand it became tame. The blood as we discussed before the same idea the blood as it's flying over the the begged it's as if it rested on the beed [snorts] and forget it didn't have to rest. It's as if it rested. Every time it's flying over it's as if it rested. When you're flying over harab it's as if you're you're walking on harabites. It's awesome for you to to to do that. Yeah. Well, I don't even know if you have to come out to that, but you get the idea. So, let's see it inside. He is standing by the window and there's a sher in the oven. We're getting to I told he's going to take a few minutes to get to the over here. He stuck his hand in and he grabs the lugging. He takes the water and it goes above the opening of the oven which we saw the opening of the oven is on top. says whether the the water inside this vessel became mid ears as something is flying through the ear move through the ear. as if it is placed down in the oven or holes like the also the water as it's flying over is as if it touched her and it became tom and nevertheless it has the power to make her tar even though they're so you see that water that became tom to begin with has the power to make somebody tar the opposite it's not as if it rested And there's no need as a question. Wait a minute. This is not a good case. Why? He says there's a difference between what what type of what type of tum a there's a very severe tum that that creates tumas oil. What creates tumas oil? Raoai. And what? First of all, what is oil? Oil is let's say there's a dead person. I just gave it away. There's a dead person in the room. The entire room becomes tame. If there's a roof, it spreads everywhere. It's like a disease. [clears throat] What else could do this? What else has the power to make an entire room to? >> No, not mitz. a stone from a house that has saras on it that if you Yeah. If you go over it, he says the the the power of the to goes upwards. It constantly hits planes. It does everything. I got here. This is um a has superpowers that if he sits on a a mattress, even if 10 mattresses, they become they all become tame his kale the the stuff he wears. >> So >> yeah, this is this is from Nadarim. This is uh old stuff. that the if the if the mattress is anything that goes above it is only if it's the maze that that creates oil and anything else such as this comes to include the um gas here we go this Evan creates So he asks over here we're talking about a mouse. A mouse doesn't have the power of oil. So just because it went over it, it's not going to become that's not as if it's as if it's resting and not resting. Oh, think about it logically. I'm concerned. Maybe you it's going to rest. Maybe maybe you're going to put it down. That is only as far you could say if if the liquid is in a cle. So as you're going like this, maybe I got tired and I put it down. Maybe I feel like putting it down. But what if this liquid that's airborne, it left my hand. I went like this. I sprinkled the dam. I sprinkled the haz. I can't I can't manipulate anymore. I can't control it. >> But we're not talking about kimun. Gmorrah says everybody we're not arguing about kimun. It's Am I going to put it down? There is no I'm going to put it down. Once I left my hand, I can't put it down anymore. Maybe you're going to put it down. But if it's sprinkled, once it left his hand, left his hand. And here we go. What was the question? Let's go back all the way to the top of the ask his father-in-law. If you have blood that touched Tommy begged, what's the blood? Does it consider does it need to be washed or not? And now what's their source? This is not hard. It's just hard words. All it means is the meat the paradum water that was already can we learn it from that that's not tom yet but became tom as it touched the needle again can I learn blood that's or not blood water that's already to water that's not tom that hit a tommy person can [clears throat] I learn that can I learn one from the Are they the same? And this is very important. Pay attention here. Blood, water, it's all the same. Blood and water. Liquid that was tummy before. Is it like liquid that simultaneously touch something that's tummy? Is are they the same? And if they are the same, then it goes both directions. The one that's tummy before is like the one that touches something that's tummy and becomes tummy now. And the one that touches something that's coming now is like the one that's coming before. It goes in both directions. So he says like this rib holds that you learn one from the other. They are both the same what if. So now going back if the meat that became tummy before is like that's in the ear and it touches the knee becomes then so then we have to go to the reverse also that what that touches that's and touches atomic is the same as damas that was before my boy said what's the dam that's for >> no kibos. You don't have to wash it. That's the answer to your question. Finally, we got to the answer. You ask my you ask the father-in-law and then it's a big that the father-in-law had to do. So says we have blood. It's kosher kosher kosher hits clothing. That's what's is it's exactly as if it was already ready before ready before is doesn't need to be washed. Okay. Just two more lines of the then we're getting to really easy stuff says no that's not the water let's say you need 10 milliliters let's say this is a shil do you need any it could be a mashu one drop one says you need a let's call it 10 milliliters so let's say you pour it on a person only 5 milliliters then you Give it another Zets. Another 5 mill L there's another it's mitarif one and one equals two. You get this full share. 5 mill 5 milliters equals 10. Here's the problem. She's an 5 milliliters hits her and then another 5 milliliters hits her. Boom. It's good. Problem. The 5 milliliters that hit her, they for sure became tummy. Now how does it combine with another 5 millar is the it must be that the 5 mm that hit her they do become and water is good enough to make her that's the so it's a it's a catch like you wouldn't think about it on your own first of all I'm saying that you need a you need 10 milliliters and I'm also telling you that the two that you could do two different times and they get together and they work together. Not true. You can't bring a from her because even one droplet would make her and it's not a that water works to be if it's possible blood you don't have to wash it. Why? It says here's finally that says that if the blood was kosher for a moment and then only afterwards became we have a list here if anybody wants to see the list. Here's the bloods that were kosher but only afterwards they stayed overnight so they became plemy touched it or went outside of but if you have a thought of or received it then it's puzzle immediately never had a puzzle then you don't have to wash the clothing that's in the that doesn't matter if it was kosher for a moment or Because right now this is possible. So the clothing doesn't need to be washed. Oh, thank you. One comes to say that even if it was kosher for a moment, you don't have to watch the clothing. You saw the truma that when it comes to truma this we had yesterday that oh first of all here here this is and there's a concept called that when you have a you have to wash out the doesn't apply to truma if you have truma cooked in a pot you don't have to wash the pot out holds that listen to this Ashlim cooked in a pot. You don't have to wash the pot. So certainly not truma kachum is more than truma and you don't have to wash the pot of kachum. So you don't certainly don't have to wash the pot out from I don't need a puzzle for that says the as we all know that only blood that was in the you have to do not if it comes directly out of the neck if it hit the the and pop back onto the onto your bead you don't have to do what does mean you should think about this for a second means not that it hit the actual misbeh if it spilled onto the floor without a k then you don't need kibos. So then the question is why does the Mishna have to continue now? Why does the Mishna have to say that when we're ready? The whole M is talking about that it has to come out of a cle I would think that if it comes right out of the neck you have to do no you have to it has to be something has to be something that you could sprinkle and you could only sprinkle when it's from a thing that bounced off it ricocheted off your begg should have to wash it not if you already sprinkled on and ricocheted back let's just turn to the this we could say turning of the sponsor why have to say put it all together at the end says the it's not saying it again it's an explanation to what we said why is it if it's spilled on the or and you gather it. You don't have to do you don't have to it because in order for something to be it has to come out of a cle have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today mdysonsor.com or [music] sponsor atmop.com.