CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 92 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. All right. We're in the middle of a if a person, as we learned, could give a gift to the give a gift of oil, what do you do with it? says you take one part of it, three fingers worth you put it on the rest the could eat from. Abay comes along and argues and he says no also holds like says no the entire thing goes onto the everything. So says the Gmorra this is a seafer there were two bowls silver bowls and you poured the wine into those you saw that the plumbing went into the misb itself you let's follow this is where the wine goes It's a It's a drain. It's a drain. Goes straight in and it goes right into the sheet. It goes into the ammo. It goes straight out and the oil goes into the fire. My love says, "What do you do with the oil?" the oil. I'm sorry, the wine. What do you do with the wine? Says in the entire amount goes into these bowls. So, wine is similar to oil. So, the entire oil goes onto the fire. So, what's the how could say that everything that's left over goes to the everything goes on the fire. Not to eat it. It's not edible. It's something that goes on the fire. says who said wine and oil are two different products. The wine goes completely 100% the oil doesn't the oil is is divided up. We actually had a video here. Here you want to see what it looks like. This is abio and that's what it seems like. No, just because the oil the wine goes cool to the doesn't mean that the oil goes cooler. When a person gives in a dove of oil, he has to bring he can't just bring a cup of oil has to bring a whole log. Let's call it a liter. No, three times that amount. But what's what's where do they get their measurements from? There's a concept throughout not going to go through this whole thing. This is back in the day the old technology. So we're going to skip forward. Basically what it means is when I'm learning one thing from the other. In this case we're learning oil from an ada. >> We're learning. That's how we learn. If a person could bring >> flour as a gift, she could also bring oil as a gift. Now that's step one. I learned that. Now what do I do? Do I continue learning the amounts from flour or perhaps the amounts I could learn from something else like wine? So if you say and you continue learning out everything else. So just like I learned the idea, the concept the main the main idea that I could bring oil as a gift. I continue learning from MKA. What do I learn? First of all, just like a ma you bring a lump over here for a second. When I bring a mah, this is what it looks like. I bring a bag of flour, an isar of flour. I also bring one lug of oil and I bring some frankincense, some levo. That's a mah. That's how I bring it. When I give the gift to Hashem. So if I'm learning I'm learning uh oil from from flour, I'm going to learn the same thing. Sorry, wrong one. I'm holding over here. So just like a min is one log, so too she is going to be one log. Just like the get to eat from it. So too the oil get to eat it. So I'm going to learn everything from top to bottom or no. Let's learn one concept. They can bring in a double and stop. That's it. Don't go any further. I'm going to stop right over here. I'm going to learn the concept and I'm going to stop by the red. What am I going to where do I learn the the amounts? I'm going to learn it from oil from wine. Three lug like wine. And just like wine, what do you do with wine? You pour the entire thing on the so to the oil you pour the entire thing on the fire. I I learned from they could bring actually I didn't know you could bring she as an adult and I continue learning. It's only one load. It's one load by oil. I do one. That's it. Three fingers worth and I throw it on and the rest 99% of it I get to eat. So two oil. I do the same exact motion. I go like this according to take this oil put on the rest of the oil I get to eat. and the one who argues yes I learned from but only one thing I learned the concept and I stopped and then I I continued learning from look it's a liquid so let's let's learn I don't know if that's the reason but let's learn from the mount is different three times the amount of oil it's three look just like the wine the entire amount the don't get you to drink the wine it all is poured on the entire is on the if I'm sorry if you if Reb is learning it out from no everybody's going to learn the entire the mount also one and then the whole thing and then the get from so he comes up he says look there's a it says by oil the word Ezra it has to be like like oil and like wine by wine it says the word and wine is three log so two oil are you talking about it says how could you say such a thing we learn from the from the word not from wine the whole word is you got the the learn you got the the the wrong Rebi who says three that's not learning it from wine he's learning it from so how can you tell me that rebi learns it out from wine when he says it's in the he learns it out from Italian I I wasn't aware of that sorry I retract you're right he learns out from next we [snorts] have a lot of beautiful today what do do with the wine say typical wine that comes with the carba and you pour it in the says no when you have wine they brought as a dava what do you do sprinkle it on the fire let me show you this and tell me if this is okay pouring wine onto the on the actual veil what's the problem with this >> huh so what's the problem go out doesn't go out anywhere says to put out the fire. How do you know that you put it onto the fire? You sprinkle go like this. Sprinkle. Maybe this was a little bit exaggeration the way you poured it. Put it on. It's like a carbon. asked the Gmorra, "How could you do it?" It says in the putting out the fire, says the what you're thinking, he's not putting out the fire. He's putting out one coal over there. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said it. even one coal that you put out you're so yes if you're going to put out a tiny piece of a coal you're also says no that that you're not allowed to take out one coal from the from the bring it down and then put it out the that's talking about there's only one coal then you're o but if there's a thousand coals and you put one out you're not over anything over here there's a thousand coals you put the wine on it, nothing happened. You're not allowed to put out a flame on on the doing it for for no reason, just to put it out. But over here, you're trying to to give out it's like putting a carbon on the on the coals and it puts out the a coal. Is that a problem? No, it's part of what you do. >> Yeah. The Gar calls it. It's interesting, but means since the Tyra gave permission to bring wine as they could just pour it on, extinguish the flame and then take the Truma. You're not you're not supposed to. [clears throat] So says Mafurish that you're not supposed to take even a small amount. You're not taking all the all the coals off the m you're taking one shovel full and even that you're not allowed to extinguish >> even. Yeah. Exactly. Even though it's a mitzvah. So first of all you don't have the mitzvah. You don't it's a little I don't know if to go that's what he says over there because you don't have to put it out when you put the the wine on. That's a mitzvah. That's But anyways, even though it's part of the mitzvah, even though it's only small part, you're not allowed to do it. You know why? Over there, you just have to you can just wait a little bit and wait until the the the co is extinguished and then take it off. But over here, you're supposed to put it onto the fire, the wine. And when you do that, it's going to extinguish part of the flame no matter what. says you don't put it on the on the fire like like says so argue with says you put it on the according to rabbika she only she can retire from the oil you put onto the fire according to but according to the the wine goes into the into the drain so to speak not onto the fire why why does say you put on the fire when it's problematic you're gonna and it says this is if somebody brings an of wine put it directly into the bowls maybe you should put on the fire like says so you're telling me that holds He holds. That's why you're allowed to pour it onto the onto the Here we go. You have a piece of metal glowing hot which is very dangerous to children. If they see it, they probably want to touch it. See what it is. And you have a piece of wood. The isser [screaming] is to put out the wood. >> Forbids extinguishing the wood. >> One you could extinguish, one you can't. The wood is isa to extinguish and the metal it's not real fire it's just glowing hot it's not is to extinguish on and because it's dangerous for people they allowed you to extinguish it on shabas now the question is top of exactly where we need to be at 10 to 8 to extinguish a fire on on wood is This is their now has a throughout and it goes together and there's trickier means it's a classic case. If there's a dead person in your house on Shabas and it's uncomfortable the stench whatever it is so you move him outside. So Rash here says a very uh like a very hard lion. He says I prefer that he wasn't in my house. I don't I'm not enjoying I'm not benefiting from putting him outside. I don't I didn't want him in here. When you have a flame let's go to our case. You have a flame on a piece of wood. The way to be is when you want the flame [snorts] to go out. You're trying to put the flame out. You want the flame and you want it out. You want to create a coal. How do you make coals? Take a piece of wood and you you light it up and then you extinguish it when it's not completely done. It grabbed it's nice and black. It's charcoal. Then you extinguish it. So you want the flame. You want to put it out over here. You wish the flame never existed. You never wanted the flame to in the first place. You don't want a dead person in the first place. You're not You're not like, "Hey, you can deliver a dead person so I can take him outside." >> No. Oh, you do want a flame on a piece of water so you could extinguish it so you could have a piece of coal. But not in our case. Our case the the fire is bad. I wish there was no fire to begin with because it's a danger to society. So that's I don't need to put out the flame. I wish it was out to begin with. So that's now holds if I pour wine onto a coal and my intent was to do a mitzvah just as a side how do you say the opposite of a benefit uh >> side consequence that that it's that's going to extinguish the the flame I don't care about that thing that's so it's but he also holds that is also so why is putting out a piece of wood in middle of a raven where there's children running around in the park. How come it's also so the answer is because he doesn't agree to that? He agrees to number one but to this he and that's why he says >> he in this case they don't go together says I thought that is through you know you have to take if you it's a package deal if you hold one thing you have to hold two things no it's not a package deal oh that's the you hear that you smell that that the smoke from the motor to extinguish the fire because it's you don't need to extinguish the fire. You wish it wasn't there. Let me just show you rash real quickly because it's a very hard rash to understand. When we get to Shab, we'll talk about it, but he just says it only applies when you try to make coals through his extinguishing the flame. You want the flame, you want the flame, you want the you want the the coals. for you and putting out the flame in our case is not for the actual you're not benefiting from the actual thing and this this is what's controversial. I wish he didn't even have it. It's like taking out the dead person. Okay. So when we get to say why it's controversial says answers you're right pouring on the on the flame is not a problem because he holds but the second that if you don't if he doesn't care he doesn't want the fire to go out he wishes it wasn't there he's just trying to save kids from touching it he holds that it's awaren to put it out that's the end of that so if you didn't get it it's not the end of the world here We are brand if you have wine that became what do you do? Let me just show you Rashi real quickly. So he says why why would I here? You know what? Let's show what it is first. I believe this is Kobe. So Yoshi's in America. They told he's and uh so Yosh Kobe our Hebrew editor he stepped in. So basically you take you make a flame on the floor of that which is super interesting. We never saw this before and you take the wine and it's tummy wine and you pour it right here. It's flames rashy. Why do I need it? It's rashy because if you're going to pour it onto the misb it's not noticeable. It's a it's a liquid. You don't see it burning up. You want people to notice it. Yeah. There's nothing going on. It's just the liquid. You should burn it in the which is We see the same thing. All these things that became blood, oil, even the wine that we're talking about. You make its own individual fire, you burn it. Because if I say in front of 10 people then the word will spread. You can make a fire and you burn it. Do not get confused cuz I did. So I want to make sure you guys don't. We learned that you shouldn't be washing clothes. The the clothing of the the kan. We learned with with washing detergent without washing detergent. This is a new I'm going to say it. It's a very bad mush but it's just to understand sometimes when there's a terrorist attack whatever you know the the comes or zaka comes they clean up and they they put the clothing in a bag they bury every piece of blood is is a problem meaning it has to be buried. When kata's blood gets on a begged that's a problem. It's like similar in my mind like you got to get rid of it. Not because of the begg but because of the blood. We're looking at the blood not the clothing. You're not you're not washing the clothing to make the clothing clean. You're washing because you shouldn't have blood of a over there. Blood of cannot be on your beetone. It requires washing. So we have three things here. There's three types of remember I'm not I'm not being anything. This is the we do every day on the regular you know this is the you do once in a while you do the and then you have the bird it says in the here let me just show you here's the sorry theor says you have to wash it there's no that's not a but what are you washing the inner one or the outer one which What is it? Or maybe it's even a bird. It says it could be one of three things. So this holds there's one all the are included. So does it also include a bird? No. We'll see later. But this is we have to remember once the isle doesn't matter what. So let's say you shed a and the blood went on your clothing you to wash it. Yes. 20 minutes later you made the the blood ple you touched it whatever you did it's tummy it stayed overnight. Do I have to wash the clothing? What do you guys say? Do I have to wash the clothing? 10 minutes ago I had to wash the clothing now that I made it possible. Do I retroactively remove that? Huh? Yes. No. Anybody? >> You don't have to wash it. Why? It works retroactively. Very good. Doesn't matter if it was always possible or not. You don't have to wash the clothing. What does it mean that it was good for a while? It was good. So, you had to wash the clothing then it stayed overnight. It was good for a while. In other words, you had to do you had to it but it became tummy. So, you don't have to do laundry anymore. Or you had to do the laundry and somebody took it out today. You don't have to do it anymore. This we all know. How can you make it possible immediately? You made a not that you physically shifted it outside. You thought in your mind you're going to bring it outside. You thought in your mind outside of that you're allowed to bring it or outside of the you said you're going to eat this carbon in three days. So you did. So it's impossible right away and that's accepted the blood. So you don't have to do on this. So this should include also it means all the you just told me there's one for everybody. What does it say? There's an exclusion only this. It says only ones that are not a bird that has malik not so that doesn't require washing the clothing maybe it's talking about things that are eaten what's eaten a bird what else is eaten maybe this comes to exclude the inner right we have three things that we have one thing is certain the outside one the talking about the outside one let's include the inner one. Let's exclude a bird. Maybe no. The opposite. Maybe it comes to include the bird, but to exclude the inner one. No, we have a if you have a you have a something to include it. Include also the bird. So we have a let's take off a bird. Let's include inner the famous question to take the bird the the inner and and exclude the bird. What usually 99% of the time or maybe 100% of the time I don't know I didn't check what comes right after the word isa Mr. Abra it's a it's a sar I'll just give you I'll should remind you and then the goes through a list the inner one is similar to the outer one and here's the list 1 2 3 4 5 the bird is similar to the outer one two three more it says oh this list has more so this one wins every time >> what do you No, here we go. Here's the the seven things that it's similar. They're both animals, right? They're both the is you have to accept the blood. A bird, you don't do that. A bird, you don't have to do. You have to put it on on the horn of the You have to do it with your finger and you have to put it on the the corner, the spits, and you put it on the fire. Seven things. is clean. It goes on the horn of the both the inside and out. You do with your finger on the the the spits the spits of the car. Well, yeah. The car of the car. Exactly. The corner of the car on the fire the opposite. Both of them are outside of the they're in the bird and the outside both of them you eat. Where's the inner one? You don't eat says the another thing like the says you what is the Let's think about it. No, eat it. If you have two things that you could eat, eat it. This one and not that one. It's not referring to I want to exclude one thing. You should eat this and not this because there's two that you could eat the bird and no you should eat this and not the other not the bird. So it's going to exclude the bird if you already excluded a bird from the word. So what is he what's going to do with the word heav is saying you should eat it not not a bird eat it that's the way we talk is more of a meal together with I learned from though is going to say the exact opposite until now we're saying that the is coming to tell me but I need to learn now we're going to do the opposite the is telling You have to wash your clothing if the blood gets on your clothing. But now and now the government is going to do the whole thing all all over again. Come to exclude a bird. Maybe come to include a bird because we have a list and this list is larger than that list. What do you sprinkle? Not put on the sprinkle. That would be the inner kas. Here we go. Uh you do the inner inside the know that inside you have to wash the clothing. How do you know that? Wait a minute. The is talking about something that you eat. How can you tell me he's talking about inner that you don't eat? The talking about something you eat. No. Oh, the P that says talks about eating this thing. Remember this video. I'm going to keep on going because we're a little late. There's an idea that when you make a tas, you have to wash the the pot out. There's no that's something that you eat. The puzzle that's talking about laundrying the the is talking about the inner kas, not the outer kos. Just a simple language question. If I'm talking about an inner kas and I want to include something else, what do I do? Say I say not only the inner kas but also the outer kas >> it doesn't make any sense to say not only the outer kas but also the inner kas. I'm not talking about the outer kas. I'm talking about the inner. So the first word I should mention is the inner kas which is the outer. It should say the opposite the one I'm talking about. Not only this and also the the one the the one the from the outside you're it's a great question let's change the language to in fact you have to actually change it according to the comes first so why don't we say that includes the bird because we have like we saw before it's the same all over again so we can go faster so let's exclude you have an exclusion so say is not included that you don't have to wash your clothing if the blood touches it. No, there's a so you have to you have to include something. But why include the include the right? The next word is always from this is the only difference you do. You sprinkle. You don't put you don't apply directly to the is more that's why I include the inner the outer have a wonderful day >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysponsor.com or [music] sponsor at mdy.com