CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 87 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We ought to give Vikav. I'm serious. So yesterday we were learning about midnight is when the the the meat that's like it's not a coal yet. It's not ashes yet, but it's like it's muscly. I said it's a lush muscles. Forget it. Shiri, you want to call it Shiri? It's tough like wood, hard like wood, but it's still it still has some time to to go until it's like literally ashes. So once hits makes it what's a good word for mukal in in Hebrew, in English? >> Not digested is right. That would be the the literal word. But like um >> yeah, like what does digestion do? it uh destroys it. It It's gone. It's finished. >> Consumed. Okay. Consumed is we'll use the word consumed. Consumed. 12:00. Let's call it 12. Midnight. Bof it becomes consumed. Whether it is or isn't as long as it's in a stage of then consumedly. So says the all the way in the bottom of vase. So you have to ask yourself what exactly does do is a combination with the it has to be on the plus it's true >> or it's so let's say the the food the the the carbon is on the floor not on the but you have so maybe creates a situation where it's considered consumed here we have it before. Let's call for argument sake. I don't even know when is a few weeks ago it was 11:00 here. So 11:30 where where is it now? >> 11:32 >> 11:32 11:32 So 11 at 11:00 the meat falls off the [snorts] 11:33 1 minute after he puts it back onto the So here's the problem. He missed. He missed. What do you do? How do you make this meat considered consumed where I could go ahead and use it? Let's say I don't know if I want to I want to do something with it. I shouldn't be over I have to wait for or maybe not. So one is you have to wait for but you miss. Okay. So another is coming up the next day. You wait for the next day. But has a magic power. It makes it it's consum it makes it consumed. We have to wait until the next day. There's another time in the in the day that has a magic power. It's called we learn. So why maybe 10 minutes after maybe two hours after why? What's this magic power that has? Yeah. Equal say equal. There's a concept that we learned when we mentioned it. It's almost the same thing. We learned about lean and noise are very similar. Sometimes they're actually interchangeable. Maybe they're different. No is when somebody has a carbon that he could eat, he leaves it overnight. He leaves it past the lot of time. Let's say you can eat for two days in a night. He left it in his refrigerator overnight into the third day. That's Lina is the same thing, but it the food that goes in the ma. So you have meat, you have blood, things that you have to take care of before night time, and you left it out overnight. When does it become possible? We said we could do it the whole night. You can put it on his bed the whole night. The says soak has the power to change the status of food into Lena. Now it has a status of that it was it was Lena. So certainly it should have the power to consider this meat consumed. doesn't have the power to do lina is weak but it could take a piece of meat and and call it consumed that has more power than it can make things into so certainly should have the power to make something into a consumed object oh so now we have another case he missed the boat the first case was he missed you know like you forgot my it's too It's after whatever it is. You miss. So what do we do? He said you wait until the the next day or until but now you miss the meat was often miss. So now what do you do? So you'll say okay so according to the you wait until for the next day. wait until the next day. But what about the says you wait until this coming and you miss? Do you have another chance for another? The answer is no. So here it came off before and we could do this one. I like this one better just not less less things. It came up before and comes and goes. He didn't put on the and he puts it on the daybreak. After daybreak puts it on So according to who was it? Rabo he says you wait till the second. So according to Rabo you wait until the second. I don't care when you put it on. You have until the next day but according to that is what causes it. No it's not going to you can't wait till the second. You missed your you missed the boat. So this item right here is never considered consumed. zero consume. So, so what happens? It's not consumed and therefore what? So, if you you messed around, you took it and you did something with it. There's no it's it's not going to be considered consumed forever. So, this is interesting. He asked and by him asking a question that's the he asked the bomb question or he he he opened up our eyes. Who told you that it's in conjunction with the it's a time on the clock time on the creates consumption? It's it's nothing to do with wherever you can find this meat even on the floor of the is considered consume who's and how do we know boom if you ever have a sh like that there's a whole monopoly born on says it doesn't really mean nobody argues on him it means he did he said a nice thing. He said he said who said it has to do with the it's it's the time of the night that causes consumption. So it could be also on the floor. We see the same thing. A little bit of a freebie. If the meat was often before you put it back after there's no meat on it. Why? Makes it consumed. We see the same thing says there's no ask since already passing like everybody agrees to this. There's no sh that it's not to do with the time makes it consumed. What did I say? Oh, now it's time. I'm looking at it. I'm saying something else. The we just had on top of the Is it the second? Is it that that consumes it? What? Why the second the first has nothing to do with the mak? You have you have shri meat. Meat that's hard like a rack, hard like wood, says Raji. but not 100% consumed and it's on the floor of the on the floor of the of the comes the first forget forget the second the first boom comes consume okay and that's the end of the we're talking about fatty meat something like this which it prevents the meat from completely being consumed And if it was a piece of the inside without the fat so comes and makes it consumed but this has like a layer of protection. So for whatever reason now we have on such a type of meat. So here he goes I'm saying this is this is what's so about this if What's a good muscle? Like when you play tag, you have like um I don't even know how to describe like, you know, you're safe. If you touch a certain thing, you're safe. If you touch a pole, >> it's on base. You're on base. Okay, you're on base. Very good. You're on base. Is the is the like you're on base? In other words, you have meat on the Lena can't attack it. It's it's safe from from Lena. He ate. If you have a piece of meat on the misbeh says Rabbi No way. Put it back on the What's the case exactly? If it didn't come off the What do you mean? Anyways, it has immunity like he says cuz if it was there was in it went on top of the of course you don't have to take it offer, right? That was one of the things you have pigle you have lino that was one of the one of the items meat that went overnight and by mistake you put it on you don't take it off so over here the meat is on forget forget that it was in the if you put it on you don't have to take it off it's on already of course you don't have to take it off of course you don't have to take it off we're talking about a case that came off after came off and the question is can I put it back on the what's the This law, do I compare it to the I love the We take it for granted. Something like this. Imagine three years ago. This what I'm about to show you. Yeah, we saw it a bunch of times. Hey, new next. It's unbelievable. See the You see the It's in a beautiful room. It moves. Okay. Came a long way. This is in the house. This is our guy drew this from scratch. Fine. So the shil is is it like the so what happened by the a that says let's say you couldn't get upon him there's a problem there's noon that the bakery was out there's no coals they couldn't make a fire they come up with the upon Sunday goes from shabas to shabas so what happens if there's no lapim in there on shabas you start on Sunday what do you do you go you go to the next shabas you go to the next shabas 13 days later. So you see that the the doesn't become spoiled so to speak. It doesn't there's no lean on him this even if the bread is on the the I shouldn't call it bread upon him is on the for many days there's no le so the meat also even if you took it off the after and you put it back on it's okay there's no lean is made out of stones so it should be compared to the ground and there is there is Lena Lena Rabb tells Raa asks Rabb it's important to remember the names ask is there does the MSB give you immunity I like that word okay at the end of the day I like are you safe by putting the meat on the m says yes 100% there's no leno when when it comes to msba if you take it off the misb put it back on the mbina from msb asked the did accept it doesn't get any easier than this. I'm going to bring you a Beta that says is safe and says it's not. So what does that tell me? The RA did not accept it. If you have, let's say, sitting around, so you could put it on the entire night. If it stayed on the then you could go and and put it on the on the fire forever. That wasn't our question yet because our question is if you took it off this is our question. If it came off after our question what's it's to remember this just these words says that even if it comes off the put it right back on the says you cannot put on you see still argues with Rabba. I see a dollar there. I didn't look it up. It just looks like the the passing is like it wasn't what sorry. So now we're just going into ali we said that the misb has the power to if you put meat on this part on this part of the misbu it has a power of not to be mikadesh it calls it mikadesh it's notes it's not didn't it didn't become good just you don't take it off the question is what about the ramp the ramp is not part of the misbak you get to the msbak through the ramp So we say, "Yeah, how do you know if you dropped a piece of meat right over here on the on the on the on the on the ramp? It also has the power that you don't take it off. s the rabbis together with how do you know that that a cle in the mikdos he put something inside a vessel in the mdash also the same idea doesn't come off the we're going to see what it means clear exactly I learned from so asked a question and didn't understand what he was saying because neither would we understand what he's is asking he says understood the is asking him if you have a this is your and you have a you have flour that's t now typically speaking if you put flour in a k and it's not tom so the the flower becomes becomes top level gusha and nobody can redeem it because it's kusha group only m if it has monetary gusha then you could redeem it. So he asked him what if you take ple flour flour that's t and you put it in the k does it have the power to give it gooja to the point where you cannot redeem it does it become or maybe not so he didn't understand we learned in our yes it has the power to make it where you cannot redeem No, no, no. Rebi or my friend or uh whatever he was to him. >> Yeah, but they were more like but okay. Whatever he was, no, I was asking something else. If I put something in a cle I have a dominant cle, could I put it on his back? So he tells him in seconds. Yeah, the first one was in seconds. The second one and then this is not this is this is a this is a tough one to come up with this in a it says ruin receive the blood and then ruin sprinkle the blood on the that's but it's mash says this is like wow we didn't even um doesn't even explain the gimmar. You have to understand by yourself that what if ruin received the blood but Shim who's a kosher person sprinkled the blood he could do but he could go ahead and it's only because it's one person that's he's possible he's a he received the blood and spring of the blood that's why it's went on but what if a kosher person did it so you Yes, if it goes in a cle you could you can spring a little means it's one person doing the but that's not how we learned when we learned the mission was two different cases did again I put on another case says the shim did what I do with it Okay, but you can't make a dick now. It's not Ruin that did both things and I'm making that. If it was Shim and the kosher guy, it would be okay. No is is a separate case completely. Listen, this is I'm telling you, you're going to love this. The airspace of the is it like the or not? In other words, if somehow there's a piece of meat not touching but over, let's say you're holding a piece of meat, you're holding a piece of meat or you use a fishing rod. Is it considered that it's on the misb touching the misb and the airspace in this? This harab is down here. Look the dome and and anything above is considered also if I'm over here I'm touching it is what's the difference touching the iss like it's it's there. It's over the don't come up. Is it like or not? Listen to this. It's This is beautiful. We said that the the ramp is like the If on top of the ramp is not over here is not like the ramp and over here is not like the MB, I have a major problem. Why? Because the mission says that if you put meat over here, let's call it here's the meat. It's on Let me Let me climb over here. I put the piece of meat on the ramp. It's mish like the ramp. Now, what do I do with it? It's like the ramp. And then what? I have to pick this up and bring it over here. Oh, I picked it up. You picked it up. It's It's out of the It's not on the the cabbage anymore. Where is this? Right over here. It's not on the kvish. It's in user land. So, I took it off the kvish. Oh, you took it off the cabbage. You can't put it on his If it comes off, you can't put it back on. What's the answer? >> Huh? >> Oh, you push it. You got to push it all. It It never It's on the floor the entire time. You push it right into the fire. That's the answer. But you hear the If the airspace one minute, one more time. If the airspace above the ramp is not considered like the ramp, but you want to put the meat and burn it, that's what you're supposed to do. So, if you lift it up for a second, now you just lifted it even though you're standing on the kvich, but you lifted it. You lifted it up and now it just went outside of the kvish. And once it went out of the kvich, so you can't put it on the kvish again. You can't put it on the again. You can't do anything with it. One answer the going to say all the way then is that you are standing on the kev and you are holding it. So, it's like you're you're connected. right? You're saying that the and the ramp have the same and if this is not the airspace above is not considered there. So on top of the cabbage is also not how could you move the meat from the ramp to as soon as you lift it up. It becomes as if you took it off the says the gargedlay the nugget. What does the nugget mean? He dragged it. He's shleing it on the ramp. He's dragging it. And notice how I had to make Yoshi changes cuz he lifted it up and threw it on. I said no you can't lift it even for millise a little bit it's like ku because once you lift it on the mb it's also is not you wouldn't be able to put it back he dragged it all the way to the fire and pushed it into the fire very good this is check this out look at this hold on well we don't know exactly how big of this space Some people say it's millimeters like a kima. Some people say it was an ammo. Let's just say just is for for argument sake. Look at this. So when you move the the meat over that gap, you just went over ear. That's puzzle earier. >> So how can you put it on the >> says? Oh, it did. You're right. But that still is considered. They say it go went over the he's asking. But good. It's still considered here. That's the whole point of putting that gap there that it should be over here. You're dragging a large piece of meat. So at one point most of it is going to be on the kvish. So then it's kosher and at another point most of it's going to be on the it's going to be kosher. If it's 50/50 says the going to use a little bit of a little bit of the kvish together in conjunction it's kosher says the gammor. Okay let me just say this. Check this out. This is galdic. Look at this boy. Look at this gap over here. Let's pretend there's a laser beam that comes out of the gap and shoots out >> puzzle stuff. Here we go. We have this uh laser coming. That gap is is puzzle. It's puzzle. And as he drags the meat through, each piece that goes through there becomes puzzle. So what do I care if Roy is over here, Roy is over there? The only way to explain that is cuz it's all connected. It's one piece. You can't puzzle a tiny piece of a piece of meat that's connected there. It's all one. That's if you hold it's all one. But what if you hold that every piece of meat is made out of a million pieces and there's no connection between them. So as it goes over the gapiece, >> each piece is getting hit by that laser beam. Every particle becomes puzzle puzzle puzzle. This is a that it's connected because if meat is not connected but doesn't know this asks is meat or no why is he asking from our fact that the says that he could drag it obviously it's connected because if it wasn't connected it would become possible at every given time. Okay. So, so you answer the question very good you could bring from here in other words our doesn't agree with him or does agree with him let me say this also super galdic said where do you do malika to a bird oh wow it's late where do you do the malik of top of the misbeh let me show you we have A brand new video for today. He's on. Look where he's standing. Mish is beautiful. He's standing on the mak and he does Malik with his long nail. Okay. Not not so bad. That's Malika. Check this out. If he's standing on the misbeholding in his hand is not considered part of the misb. Why? Because the a of the misb is not the misb. Standing on the misb is like the misb. holding it is like an inve what is the kind I want to do I want to do pigle an in oil I want to do pigle what am I thinking thinking that tomorrow I am going to uh do the blood on the muzz guess what the bird is on the mb the bird is already on the mbah as I'm thinking this it's on the muzzbah why is it on because I'm on the muzzbah and I'm in the airspace of the mbah and the airspace of is the misb so it's on the mb so what what piggle is any piece of pigle that's on the could stay on the that's one of the things in the list if you even if you have a pig if it goes on doesn't come off the this bird the only carbon really that you do on is a bird so ask about a bird I'm on the so I'm thinking about so what leave it there and you could you could you continue being mak it it's on the misb already so it doesn't come off the mb that's if you only if you hold that the ear of the misb if I'm holding it in my hand. It's not. So I could have like that. So what's the the answer? Let's think about the answer to that. The answer is going to be that he thought he's going to take it off. That is that was I'm going to take it off the if you hold that the ear space above. So how do I have a situation of pigle by a bird? As soon as I'm I'm on the grabbed it says in yeshiva we used to say why not that was he's going to take it off once he comes or we had if a bird stays on the overnight says even if you take it off you can put it right back Rabbi said there's there's no this is safe. The MB is immune to Lena. So what is he thinking? He's saying that tomorrow I'm going to take it off. So what if you're going to take it off? You can put it back on says Rabbi. That's exactly what just asked now. Ra argues and says once you take it off you cannot put it back on. That's a galica bad of you like that. A gal bad of gald and bad don't go together but over here it does. You want to get the the words are like confusing here, but it means according to that Lena doesn't work. Lena, in other words, it's bad. It's Lena. It is Lena on the so if you think that you're going to take it off in the morning, you're not permitted to put it back on. And that's why it's possible says that even if it's if it stayed on the whole night and you took it off after you're permitted to put it back on the why because the is immune to so there's no bad of say yeah I found the one there is a You're going to very good even admits that if you take it off before then you're not allowed to put it back on and that was his okay so we'll stop over here have a wonderful day >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy