CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 79 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Okay, so we're talking about we're just starting talking about one of the things we're talking about is we're talking about how to how could one object overcome another object. So we know the famous concept of roy if one object is 51% the other one is 49% it could overcome it there's another way which is much less than ro and that is if you could taste it if you could taste it even a little taste which we call uh bashishim one out of 60 that's one way another way is called ryan ryan is you make Believe if you have you typically use it when you have two items that are very similar. They look the same. They taste the same. So you do a ryen means you just replace one item with another item that's not similar. If two items are similar, how could one overcome the other? They taste the same. So you pretend that let's say when you have wine, wine and blood. That's how we first saw it in the Mishna. wine and blood, it's a it's a different type of rin, but when they're the same color and no matter how much wine you're going to pour into the blood, it's still still going to look like blood. So, what do you do? So, you pretend that the wine or you pretend that the blood is is uh is something else is water and then you base it on the water. How much water do you need in order to overcome the wine or how etc. So, we're going to talk about Roy a little bit. So the question is how come when it comes to minim and again here here in MDY people don't have trauma from minim anymore we we learned it a lot we had videos with it just means two of the same thing how come we use a and not should it should go even it should be in in other words 160th when you have Then what do you go with? Go with Royan. Go with Royan. Meaning pretend that one is not the same item. And over there if it's not the same item, even if it tasted slightly different or it looked a little different, then it would be bottle. How come we go with Ry and not with Roy? So says Gimar, let's just do it real quickly. I'll I'll read it quickly because we did it yesterday. Um it's actually smack in the middle of the like 2 4 6 8 nine lines from the bottom. There's this one right over here. I don't remember anymore. This guy, look how he steps up to the water. He has a a vessel full full of w of of milk and he wants to be and the problem is that the water from the mikvah is not going to hit the inside of the k everywhere because there's something there there's another substance. So if like in this case there's less milk than air in other words the is less than 50% of the clay is full of milk. So you go by the most of what went into the is water. It's a good So if you have white wine, you pretend that the wine is not white, it's red. So here's another way to do to do over here. The the colors are similar. The kazusa the way it looks is very similar. They're not the same substance. One is water, one is wine, but they look the same. They were both white. I had a bottle of white wine here the other day. >> And it's okay. We don't need it. So what do you do when they look the same? So you do a ryan ryan. You pretend that the wine is red. And now how much water does the red need to dilute it and that it should look like like water? >> Cuz by mikvah it goes by the way it looks. If you put enough water into this cle that if had it been red, it would be diluted that it would look like water then it's a good puzzle. So yes, you have white wine and you can never dilute white wine with water because it's always going to look the same. Pretend the white wine is red wine and how much water do you need to overcome? So you'll do some testing. You'll take some red wine, fill up uh a liter of red wine, and then you'll fill up enough water to see how much water do you need to dilute that red wine. And then you say, "Okay, so that same thing is is that one liter is white wine, and that's how much water I need." The same exact water that I do with red, I do with the white and I diluted it. If I dilute it, it's a good it's a good it's a good >> you have a uh bucket >> a bucket that's full of spittle. So says it doesn't have to be full at all. It could be just a a small amount because spit sticks to the bucket. And what is that a problem with? That's a problem with you're going to fill it up with water. You put it into mikvah. The water of the mik is not going to hit all walls because you got spittle over there and you put in the mikvah it's nothing. What do you do with over here? Also of just means that water touches water since is similar. It's different than water, but they they're similar. So, you do a over here. You do the the you replace the mel the urine with water as if it's water. You pretend it's water. And how much water you need to dilute it? But what about if in this clay you have paradum water? Paradum water is very dangerous. Why? Because paradum water, how does it work? If somebody goes to Lao, you have to sprinkle in with paradum water. You take the ashes of a paradum. You burn it and you mix it with a special water from a Mayan from a spring spring water. That water you can't be math with other water. Why? Cuz everybody knows this water is super interesting. It can make somebody that went to but the guy that sprinkles him is Tommy. So if you touch that water, you become. So what's that water? It's the water is a source of tuma. It's also it has it's like a it's so that kind of water is different. So what do you do when you have that water? Let's read it again. Let's start from look what it says here. [Music] Over here we're using a concept called next line. It's two different ways to do it. One is a one is a ryan. I would say that ryan is much more. You have to do more. You have to put in a lot more water to get to ryan. You have to dilute. You have a liter of wine. How much how much water are you putting in there to dilute it? Not not 50. You have to do it more. So some you go with some you go with with man. Who's the one that told us this idea when it came to white wine in the mikvah we mentioned before white wine says but it also says that's enough to do you just you need one more percent than the other one and you're good. cash again before we said. Yeah. So which one is it? Do we do or we do himself actually holds? All of like we see by the the br says if you have you have the paradum water what do you do that's oh this concept of that you need more that's askis anybody that learns knows that all over is the one that says bottle And over here he's saying holds. So says we because we we go with Ra's shot in two minutes. So once we see how come throughout we say that happens to be that there's a there's a connection says between in other words if you hold by so also they're connected you do like a like it's like a heckish like a if if this is by one you have by the other here this is says in the name of a dam one blood since it's there's no and Rashi over here says cuz somebody was questioning it yesterday he says by both by and by in other words by yesterday we made a distinction between if you're doing or if you're doing which is two types of spittle a kosher spit from a somebody who's tart cannot overcome with a roy the spittle of a zv anything that comes out of a zv's mouth z's body same same would apply with a za and aid it's it's avat and if you take another spit from a to person it's not And the same applies to that you have you can't add a bunch of and say why not okay now says holds it according to everybody even according to remember that's what says this is where we get it that even according to what about two two different types of things then we do we do Ryan this is what R is saying according we're going to do Ryan just is different is different oh why completely different than what we answered you before Noam something out of left field take a look over here this galdic three alas we're going to show you here. Here you have a mouse who's going to have a heart attack. I don't want to scare you. What just happened? He's dead. He touched the cle from the outside. The entire cle becomes tame including the inside. That's number one. Number two, take a look. You have mashkin. You have liquids that are because it's a mass liquid and you pour it inside the clay. What happens? The entire clay becomes tummy. Even the outside. We're not talking about here any cle. But take a look at this. You have mouse water. You have all the good stuff and you pour the water on the outside of a clay. Take a look what happens. the outside becomes and the inside is what's going on because this whole is the Rabon it's not a Rabon said so Rabon said that the outside is t the inside is t what do you do in such a situation you dump the clay in the mikvah just the outside you don't have to put any water in the inside why because only the outside is you have a cle you need to get the entire exterior of the k into the mikvah without getting water inside the k. Why? You have something super important inside the k. It's called paraduma water. You don't want to mix the paraduma water with nasty mikvah water. It's going to ruin the thing. So you put it in slowly slowly into the mikvah, but it has to touch every single surface of the outside. You know what's going to happen? Water is going to come in. So what do you do? You don't really put it 100% into the water. You leave a millimeter. So then you didn't do you didn't do a tahara. It's not a real mikvah. You So what do you So what's the is you have to make sure that water goes into the inside. You have no way out of it. If you want to make sure that you got every single surface 100%. I need water to come in. I don't care how much a half an inch of water inside. But if you're going to be so happy that even one draft is not going to go in, then I know you didn't do a good job on the outside. And they say, "No, no, no. We need more. You got to you got to you got to put in a significant amount cuz there it's going to be something like this. Let's see if we have the video here. Here he is. He's not going. You see how he's he's not doing the whole thing. He's he's scared that the water from the mik is going to go in. So that's not good. So let's see inside. Now we know what's going on here. It's talking about a inside is but the outside is to ra. How did that happen? How did it happen? Because he took mouse water. He took water that's tame and he and somebody applied it. It spritzed on the outside of the clay. So when that kind of thing happens, water hits the outside of the clay. So the outside becomes and the inside is the whatever the is. If you want to make a good you make sure that a tiny amount goes into the said that you have to fill in the inside. Fill up the inside. You know what? Do a dunk dunk. Make sure the whole inside be gets full of water. Not because I need to make it because I'm concerned that the outside is not going to become if you don't put it inside. Why? Maybe you'll be so concerned about the inside of the that you won't you won't put it inside the Oh, hold on a second. And but now that's why you need a not that you need a fak. You don't need anything inside the cleave. The whole point of putting water inside the cle is that you shouldn't cheat on the outside. So as long as you have a little bit in the inside, it's enough. So said in this one case of you could put a that's enough for me to to be comfortable that you dunk the whole clay into the water. But otherwise we go with says he's making uh of the whole there's three ways to overcome another object. One is with tam taste if I could taste it which we call it's 1/60th cuz even if you have 160th of another food you could you could taste it and there's another way to do it is you're you have more percentages and another way to do it is if it looks it looks a certain way when it comes to two different types of objects like okay so now we have two different meaning we just saw we had the rice and the the wheat and that goes with taste if you could taste it then matzah whatever it is if it's the same exact thing so this way interesting thing he had over here calman's meals on wheels a bunch of nuggets and this is vine nuggets. It's miminoi and then you have a you have some sort of mix up between this. So it goes byino and when it comes to here very good red wine it's really white wine. You want to make white wine kosher. So or if you want to make red wine kosher. Yeah. If you if how do you know how much red wine passes a mikvah if it still looks like red wine? If it you could dilute it where it becomes sort of like water then it becomes kosher cuz by mikvah it goes by how it looks. So there's look there's flavor and there okay so that's the end of this. Now we're going back to the other suga. Where was that? Yesterday we had this sugariz and it's mixed in. They're mixed in together. He he he choose it becomes this. >> So he said that even with two isum these are both isurum one could be the other the one that's the is the other one says the that was you can't give him cuz one overcomes the other and then we said that it's because now the didn't know what to warn him for. We don't know which one overcomes. What is the noiser overcoming the pigle or the pigle overcoming the noiser? Just like one mitzvah. Even if one is very sharp and want to taste very very strong, you eat it with another mitzvah. It's not the lesser the lesser tasting mitzvah. I disagree. If you eat two and you do something like this, one is the other. Even if it looks like marble, >> you'll get malus. In this case, you and I told you not to eat it, you get malus says. Who's the man that says that a mitzvah is not another mitzvah? Hilly, the famous the hill. They sit on hill. He would take the carbon pes the put it all together and he would eat it in already asked that some of you are thinking to yourselves if it's a so then how do you see from here that is not okay that's t is over there okay now I want to show you this unbelievable video those who understand understand I think you're going to have a lot of know from this video So anyways, if you only washed it out two times trying to get it out, we're talking about it's cold, right? If it was hot, it never comes out. It's cold. So I try to get it out. If I rinse this, not it's a glam on. It's what is it called? the um >> no what is it called on chabas when it's imam is disgusting so that's if you try to rinse it out with another thing called water but if you didn't use water what did you use another according because it's the bulk [Music] says, "No, you don't need it's it's fine. You could with even two at the same exact type one. It'll take it out three times rinsing with will come out. Who is this man?" We discussed in Alf that says that the same men or like who said before one blood cannot be bled another blood one spittle can we even had one of cannot be bottled through the problem is that says that if you rinse it three times with water it does come out he's not because it's but if you rinse the if you rinse the this lime out with the water it does come out after three times. So here's this is to do. Very interesting. It spins spins to spin. Well, look, you add a little bit of this of of wool and it becomes thicker. It's unbelievable. So check this out. You have a woman whose tummy spittle is avatum. So the the the actual string becomes tummy. Comes a guy and he picks it up. If the spit is dry then he remains green. If the spit is moist then he turns red. He becomes tummy. >> Why? Cuz he's messes. He he moved it just by moving it. >> So you moved it. Why? Because it's dry. But it was it was moist. the person who who moves it becomes because this is a fluid that came from her mouth and any fluid that comes out of a it's like let's say you take a dry rope that you know that put saliva in there because that's how they used to do it and these women they that that was their job that was their number one prasa you know to to make uh thread It involved a lot a lot of spit that it helped the whole process. So now now obviously she's not going to sell it moist. It dried out. You come and you you add water to it. In other words, you wake up you're the sort of Yeah. You're waking up the spit that was once dry because then then the spit is again moist. Even if you rinse it out a lot. So over here the says even if you rinse it out a lot it's not going to help. And before you said if you rinse it out three times it's enough according to. So which one is it? If you rinse out this pottery with me three times is enough. If it's saliva it's not enough even 10 times. You can make a distinction. Saliva by the way I looked it up. You know how like mothers do this they go like this. It says it actually has spit actually has an ability to break down like stains certain stains not oily stains >> enzymes because your the saliva has certain so like food stain you have some cake it's a good idea to use saliva anyway the saliva doesn't come out of your out of the clothing as easy as mime comes out of the one more short soya do we have time three minutes let's get to the mishna we learned in the mishna this of here let me just show you the mishna quickly because it's important to see this. It'll make it easier for us. There's two lines in the mish. Regular good blood that you were about to do became mixed in with dam of something that's possible like the dam of pigle. What's that? You pour it into the into the drainage here. Like this. Yeah. [Applause] One more the damatamsis. What's damatis? The two bloods. There's the blood that comes when you the initial blood is dam. That's the only blood I can use for when the animal's dead. It stops moving and the blood comes out after that. That's called damat. It's no good. So if that dam mixes with regular, what do you do? If you were writing the mishna, how would you write it? You'd probably write it in. Why do you have to write twice? Put it in the drain. Put it in the drain. The answer is going to be very very obvious in a second. And then hold on. Here's the ribbar says no. If you have a mixture of Thomas or Dustle with regular blood, you could use it. But what's do I need? What's made a gather? They made a fence. Don't do this. That I'm concerned that in the m you might have more of the damises than dam nephesh. It will be possible. I have more piggle blood than regular blood. It would be possible. So even in a case where it's less throw it out. Do I do or not? say you have to make and say no of course everybody holds you make pay attention what just happened in the second case only the second case do I have to be concerned that there's a lot of dams look most of the blood comes squirting out when the animal's still alive gallons and gallons of blood do I have to be concerned that maybe one time there'll be more blood from when he's dead. What does that tell me? That the top case is not even a concern. Yes, I do have to be concerned. Everybody agrees I have to be concerned of there's always puzzle stuff in the Bdash. There's always this that that's so in that nobody will argue and everybody will say what throw it into the drain. This is Rapa saying it. Rapa only says his answer on one case on the damsis. Is there more? Do I have to be concerned there's more? It's common. It's not common. Says that now makes a lot of sense. Top case everybody agrees that what the second case says that's where I have now I understand why it says the twice because the two separate cases one everybody agrees on the top case the middle one but accord it says twice it should say then only one time it's in Back to Kashra boy side. Have a wonderful day. [Music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.