CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 75 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

We're holding on. It says in the different animals that get mixed in with good carbon, what do you do? So the says, one of them is a traa. One of them is an animal that has some sort of defect that it's not going to it's not going to survive. It's also to bring it as a carbon and it got it got mixed up with other carbonas. So the Mishna goes through a whole thing whatever you do for different animals but one of them is a trauma says I cannot know if there's a an animal that was that somebody did an iss with it or did an iss with another human being you can't tell on the animal itself but when it comes to a defect in the animal what kind of defect are we talking about if it's a obvious one you see that leg is cut off. It's considered a tra without a surgery. Poof. Cut off. So you see the animal, it's missing a leg. You take it out. What's the problem? How did it get mixed in? And if it's one of these, like something like this has a hole in the heart. You don't know. So you don't know. So how did it get mixed in there? We're talking about live animals here. If it has an inner traa, how do you know that has a tra has an outer thing that you realize it's a traa? So great, take it out. It has an inner one. They didn't have MRIs then. So how do you know? We have three answers. Here are the three answers. We just need it for the end of the we don't need it but it's it makes it more says there was a a puncture in one of the animals caused by a thorn. That did not make it a tra. It didn't go through and through a little a little boo boo. There's also another puncture that happened from a from a wolf. And Rashi says here, we had it a number of times in Shas when we talking about cats that the wolf it injects poison into the venom into the we understand it today. >> It's like an infection, rabies, whatever it is. Cats actually have that till this day. They they have something in them like a special uh uh enzyme, whatever it is. The Gar calls it a venom. It means that this animal is not going to survive. You get a you get a wound like that, it's all over if you don't have antibiotics. Bye-bye. So, you have two animals next to each other. They both have a puncture wound. One is kosher, one is a traa, and it got mixed in. You don't know which one was caused by the venomous wolf. And you don't know which one was caused by a a simple thorn. Yes, you could see it, but it's still a problem. Still problematic. it got mixed in with an animal that fell off a high place. So if an animal fell off let's say a roof was playing around in the roof and fell. So this is what what do you do? One mandar says well if it gets up and walks away nothing happened to it. The other mandama says, "No, even if it got up and walked away, I saw when I was a kid, I saw a cat that was run over by a car. In my as a kid, I remember it going around the wheel and then it fell off the side and it picked itself up and walked to the sidewalk and then died." I say, if you see it walking away, it's an animal. It's not a human being. They have they're built a little differently >> and a deer, whatever, all these things. But if it he holds that if it walks away that means it has no internal injuries. How did it walk away? The other one says no. Wait a minute. Just because it walked away doesn't mean that it's not going to collapse in two days from now and die. So says so again what's the question? The question is how if there's if it's visible so how did you how how could you not see it and pull it out? If it's not visible how do you know about it? says it's not visible because it fell. It's one of these things that you saw it fall and you don't know it just got mixed in there. Now you know one of them fell and it might be a tragic. What's the problem? If it if it could walk like Rabbi Stfansky did then it's not a no. There's another man that says that even if it stands up on two, you still have to wait 24 hours. And if it walked, you don't have to wait 24 hours, but after you shift, you still have to open up to see if there's any internal injuries. One last shot can go. You know what? You cannot tell this tra. Why can't you tell if it's tra? Because one of them is the offspring of a traa. It's not a tra, but its mother was a tra. And so what if the mother's a holds that the offspring of a tra even though you yourself are not a traifle the tra's offspring the tra is a problem but the offspring is also a problem so says the gamar so we have these three wat says that it was a puncture by a thorn and a puncture of a of a wolf and we can't differentiate and that's why we have a problem here. The other shot is that it got it mixed in with a with a with an animal that fell more than I think. And again, it's something that you you can't see on the outside, but the mother is a so you know for sure that there's a tra here. How come the other two don't say that it got mixed in with a thorn? Well, it's so obvious which one is the wolf and which one is the thorn. I searched and searched. I know. I took the picture myself. We were in the safari and we saw a crazy thing. It's better than this picture, but I'll just show you what something came. It looked like this. Literally like this. It was a lion that tried to grab a zebra and uh with its paw just made three cuts in one shot. You have to understand that. You understand? If you try to try to slice through a cow or whatever it is, the the outer the thick skin to do it in one second. That's how >> sharp and powerful those things are. This this is a real picture of not mine. I didn't take it, but I took one similar to this with more. I have four marks. Says a thorn is a circular wound. Look at this wound. This is an elongated wound. says, "Sorry, that's why I I'm not I don't think that it's gonna I'm gonna get I don't get confused between the wolf and thornish. How come they don't say that it's talking about that it fell and it got mixed in with others? face they hold like Rabi Stfansky it's brought down over here that if the chicken gets up and runs away or an animal gets up and walks then there's no concern that perhaps there's internal injuries we don't say that it got mixed up with the only that holds that the the offspring that you don't you're not even a tra it's perfect but its mother was a tra you don't bring to the that's only and we don't hold like him. Why? I'm not exactly sure. Maybe because he's put him, you know, we don't we don't go with usually says it says in the Mishna that if twoanas of the same type let's say two got mixed mixed together. So you just bring it and you say this whatever is owned by Ruben goes to Ruben. Whatever is owned by Shim I don't know which one we put both of them in this and Whatever >> it is, Hashem will decide who I'm putting it on. Hashem knows who the real owner is. Great. The problem is you need to lean on the animal. It's one of the things. Let's do for a second. You got to put all your body weight on it. Okay. He killed this poor animal by the Fine. you have to do. So I don't know. I I see on top over here. So is over here. We could just do trick because we know that is not if you forget. So what's the problem? You have two two animals. You put them on the So but you don't go and put them on the when there's a there's a way out of it. Let them graze. Send them to Kevland and you have a way out of it. So is problematic over here. You need we're talking about a woman's carbon. A woman doesn't do. I just think to myself, imagine if women did do I can just see ankle disgusting. Help me. I need gloves. You know, it's not it's not something it's not such a thing that women are into. So they don't have to do what but if if it's a man's carbon you're telling me that since it requires so let's say two got mixed up you're not going to bring it to the md only two carbon of of women I have a problem so we have three cases here you have two that the like our case twoas going to want to say that this is talking about men's carbon why is it a man's carbon because look at the next case you have two communal carbonics let's say the of the oh no two is two two different types of carbon for the but over here it's men only men are involved there the carbon of an individual and a carbon of a comm of the community they got mixed in. So three cases. So what do you do? So let's say we're talking about let's review you put the blood on four on the four corners of the you do it twice on two on the southwest corner and the the opposite one whatever the opposite one is northeast. Great. Southwest one which is two one which is two. So let's let's say let's assume it's it's a two. So you have to put the blood on four corners times two because you have two. So you got to repeat the same process twice. 1 2 3 4 and then again 1 2 3 4. And if you did one one uh one for each one. Good. This is an interesting one. It's a little different than what it seems like. Means assuming that it's an So you you do one which equals two and then another one which equals two and that's enough for two carbonas. In other words, one for each carbon. You hit the southwest corner. That's one, which equals two. That's for one carbon. Then you hit the northeast corner, which is one, which equals two. That's for the second carbon. Yeah. You look confused. >> Yeah, I am. >> Okay. It's one one z per carbon if he did it. >> But that's only one corner for each carbon, >> right? >> No. No. It says one. One. Time out. Let's go back. Let's take it back. >> Yeah. >> One step before that. You're talking about you got to hit every corner. He didn't. He did one corner for Carban by the name of Larry. He did another corner for Bobby. So that's enough. Now when you have a it's now you don't do four corners. You're supposed to do two corners which are four. So same thing. You do one corner and that's for Larry and the second corner for Bobby. One corner happens to be two. The other corner happens to be two because you're hitting in the corner and it's spreading to two walls. We call it four, but it's really two that are four and and two is enough for two carbonas, one for each. You really need to do the full process for each one. But let's say you got lazy. Let's say you ran out of blood. So is going to take issue with this line over here. What says is the difference when when you when it got mixed up. when the these animals were alive and well and they got mixed up. But if they got mixed up after they were you have all the blood over there in one cup. So you give you you just put apply the blood to the four corners. You don't have to do it more than once. You have two. You do one, two, three, four. And that's it. Before we said one, two, three, four. And do it again. 1 2 3 4 for two animals. Over here the two animals just one time. will do the report. If it's a let's say and if you apply it one time just one corner for two animals where really you need eight different applications but you did it once you rash brings a new concept that we didn't see yet. It's called bilah means it's mixed up well different than that's different. It's also lotion of mixing over here. The blood the molecules of the blood are all mixed in well and therefore if I apply it once I really did the application for two separate animals again something that the gimmar doesn't like so much revi says that there's a there's a minimum amount of blood. Yeah. You need let's say two milliliters. What how they say ounces? Not an ounce. Yeah. Now you need an ounce of blood per animal. Just throwing out a number. So listen, if there's enough blood in there for two animals, great is going to ask a question on it soon. But meanwhile, before we ask a question on Rebi, why do we bring this whole thing to prove that men even when a man's carbon gets mixed up, you could bring it as a carbon? And we're not concerned about the There's three cases. The first case is a and a that got mixed up. Then we have a with a then we have sorry and but the bottom line is we're talking about men here have understands that the is only men and therefore the other case of of is also two men that got mixed up. And what about even though you can't do you bring it on the misbeh so you see before we said it's only a carbon of a woman and now say no even men when they get mixed up you can bring their carbon you tell me you really think that this BR is a good B that doesn't have any issues that it's a perfect ba no it's a B you have to say you have to go explain away different things and therefore you can't ask questions from it how do I know that it's a problematic because it says It says this only applies when the animals got mixed up when they were alive. But if they got mixed up when they were already dead, when the blood got into one cup, it's not a problem. Just do one application. What's the difference if they got mixed up when they're alive or got mixed up when they're dead? If if you caught all the blood in one vessel, you're right. But what if they're dead and you caught the blood in two different vessels? So what's the difference if they're alive or dead? You should apply it from each from each from each k you should go ahead and make a make a what's the difference they're alive or dead? It doesn't make sense. The live or dead doesn't doesn't help us here. Doesn't make a difference. So we have to explain what the means. Not that there difference between they're alive or dead. Alive and dead just means whether they're in different kum or not. If the blood is in a different k that's the wholeina like just like when animals are alive they're completely separated from each other you can't you don't have an animal within inside an animal they're different animals meaning different they have different kale you have to if you have the the blood and different ca you should do the sadam with different kale if the the blood is mixed into one k like like at animals. Then you just do one and everybody's you don't even need to do four corners. do one corner and you are now we're going to go into Rebi for a second says no but there's a minimum amount of blood you need in a cle you can't just do for for two animals from one you have to have a minimum two ounces one ounce per per animal throwing out a number yeah if you don't have that amount you're possible it's possible does rebi really hold of this culture. >> So let's talk about for a second. We have brand new for today. If a person becomes in the time of the Bikdum, you have to give how do you how you have to take the paradum burn the the paradum take the ashes mix it with spring water. Then you take uh some sort of uh asa even a different thing you dunk it in the water and like what I did to Rabi Shoberg you mash my spritz. So the point is that according to Rebi you don't need a shear it could be even a tiny drop of the special parad water and and water from the faucet is still enough. So how come by us rebi says that the blood has needs an ounce per per carbon? It should be whatever it is what it is. No. So what's answering somewhere? >> There's a difference between this and this. That's one of the answers. Thear says one says you're right holds that you don't need a shear just like one drop is enough. So one drop of blood is enough. He's talking about don't you agree that you need what's the connection between sprinkling blood on to sprinkling water on a human being? So now we have easy stuff. Let's talk about aar for a second. What's a bar is a f firstborn animal. All you have to give it to the kay. It's 100% the kay. He the takes it to mdash puts part of it on the rest he eats. If thear has so then the gains then he don't have to put anything on the on the whatever he could eat he eats. But akar still has in it. It has a but still kadesh. So we have to treat it. It's different than most carbanas. We have to treat it with respect. Even though it has a mum, you cannot sell the meat in the marketplace. You cannot try to fetch top dollar. That's the best way to get the most money. You weigh it. You can't weigh it. You can't do these two things. It's called Litra. Litra is a is a weight. It's a like, you know, we say today a pound, a kilo. So, it's a liter. You cannot weigh it. That's the best way to get your most money for a piece of meat. You have to just sell it. You look at it. You say, "Okay, are you willing to pay me $25 for this piece of meat?" Then the guy rips you off cuz he's getting 5 lbs extra over there. But it's not proper to put him on a scale. You don't weigh kum. Imagine weighing a human being after he's dead. Oh, let's weigh him. Or that's why I I guess I'm I'm happy now. Sometimes you have a 400 pounder that gets on a plane for free. You know, he pays one little ticket. It doesn't go by weight. It would be to start weighing human beings before they get you weigh a suitcase. I have a I'm saying for my 70 lb suitcase you weigh but I weigh 10 times the amount. No, that you don't you don't charge me. Well, cuz this is this not just thought about it now. Don't Don't send me emails, please. Maybe it wasn't well thought through. Oh, this is He's Wow, he's doing this. The other thing you're not allowed to do is this. You can't sell it in the marketplace. You want to do a private sale in your home but not in the marketplace even though it has aid or any person who has a tuma emanating from their body like a z also can't eat you have to treat it with respect. So he asks him you remember right a person has a carbon in this case it would be a car now I say it's it's small I want to get the really nice carbon for the can I switch the carbon >> so what happens they both they both get the same gusha and it's awesome so the question is byar also they both get a gusha can Can I redeem the big guy? The one that the fake one. He's only He's not a real BR. Maybe I'm allowed to redeem it. That's question number one. The the let's let's call the guy on the left side. He's thear he you cannot weigh and then sell him in a marketplace. What about the larger one, the one you did? Could you weigh him? What's the question? You're right. When aar gets a and you cannot bring him as a carbon the you could create a somebody by mistake or on purpose says this animal should be instead of this so they both become have the same exact you're not let away weigh the second one either we're only trying to get to the what happened there who received received a bur and now the bkar has a so the the is a nice guy he says you know what he says I want to give to the to the mdash I don't have cash but instead of me sheing this animal and not being able to sell in the marketplace let me give the entire you could do it in the the donors things >> okay now but not every has the ability okay fine so you going to the donors so I've been taking this whole animal giving it to the what does mean they could use Is it the the BA mdish will sell it and with the money they'll they'll they'll do renovations in the BA mikdash could the B you hear the question it's good question it's now owned by the BA mikdash so could the B mikdash sell it in the marketplace and get top dollar or no it has to it but but it's better for the B mikdash if you sell it >> all other carbonas we sell if we redeem a carbon you sell it in the marketplace why so says the you hear the question on the one hand it's a redee but on the other hand every carbon that's owned and you redeem it, you get top dollar in the marketplace. I don't care if it's a bizarre or not. I want top dollar ford over here. You have a combination. What do I do? Is it better to give benefit to the mig or maybe I don't put down the by weighing it here? Carbon A is a is a carbon B is and they got mixed in together. What do you do? You let them graze until they befall him. And then you have to treat both of them. The also in this case have to treat it like a meaning what? You cannot sell it in the marketplace. You cannot weigh it. So you see same thing should be over here. Over here we have an animal that's both andar. You should treat the part like the part. Meaning you should not be able to weigh it. You don't get top dollar means you shouldn't be able to weigh it. This is a typical no. That's a typical is how do you make a distinction between A and B? There's a big difference. What's the connection? We did this for a second. I don't know if that helps. is one body but you want to divide that one body into two parts. say that one part is a betabay part and one part is akar part and then we're gonna say no may maybe maybe the will win and you could you could sell it by weight >> over here it's two separate batties one is a complete one is a complete they got mixed in so why should I so that that the that the bda should gain by selling the for more money why should I take aar that's 100% of and put him down on the right side he's not 100%ar he's half and half he's half bkar half he has two things going for the same animal so maybe I should put him down a little bit so the bade over here why would I put down animal A so that animal b I should get more money for it's like uh sort of you know I'm not supposed to be so that you shouldn't be that's your problem not my problem so anyway says says, "Yeah, I said this. two two dishes into one body says I don't understand why should why should it work if if a says hey come and and redeem this animal and the is going to gain by you redeeming it are are we going to redeem it no we don't listen to him so why should we listen to him now why should why should we sell it by the Right? Says that's a that's don't compare uh redeeming to weighing on a on a scale. Weigh on a scale. Don't weigh it. Don't be. But over there, of course, he can't say redeem. That's not a that's not a question. Oh, just because he can't redeem, so he shouldn't be able to weigh on a scale. They're two different things. What is the one? Maybe maybe it's okay. Now the just explained you have a an animal that was a made him into a can I weigh it and get more money for the mdash says how's the how does the have permission to give the mdh more than he himself has what does the ken own in akar he owns the meat and he's not allowed to sell it by weight he's not allowed to sell it in the marketplace. So that's what he gave over to the mdash. How could it be how can the mdish be better? It's like the mission says every single animal carbon can mix in with another carbon. You could get confused. There's only two that you cannot get confused. So the says why the is going to try to see maybe there's other carbon you could confuse them with each other. You can't confuse a male with a female. is a female and is a male and they don't get confused. Okay. What do you mean is a female is a how you getting confused? says you know sometimes sometimes you have that's a also when it comes to the says in other words the still you could you can't there's another situation where you can't differentiate between no one is a goat and one is a sheep so you you could differentiate says P and don't get mixed in. Why? One is a year old and one is two years old. How you going to get confused between a 2-year-old and says, first of all, no this sorry they're also a year old. So sometimes you have a year old and a P is a year old. So they could get confused. Sometimes you have a little kid that looks like he's a 2-year-old, a year old that looks like a 2-year-old or when it comes to to an animal. 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