CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 7 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. We're holding on the bottom of the four lines from the bottom. Do we really have So what was the idea? I don't know if I finished the idea. The idea is that it's all dependent on Bezdon's mind. Whatever they decide this carbon tom is not going to be a tid until the last moment they'll decide when it happens their heart decides their mind decides and therefore when these animals are in the pen they're not a when they become a carbon when the up till that point they're not take them do whatever you want with them however the problem is say in the name those extraim that are not necessary. They according to and that's the one that we're trying to to to find a good good uh answer for. You cannot redeem them when they're whole. They have to go to the Kev Land park befall and then redeem them. But we're talking about There's a question. You have these two goats of has four carbonas. First he brings the two the two loaves of bread that we said is like the main carbon the main thing accompanied by two schlam the cheesecake whatever. But then he also brings the two serum. We said why do you bring two goats? Two goats is for the tomb and the B mig. What's the second one for? For the to the mdl. Why don't you need two? Maybe he was tame in between. So maybe four 400. Hashem is compassionate about money. Only two. So now if they perform on the carbon number one, why in the world you have to do for the second one? So he explains Shazil perhaps somebody became in the 5 minutes the 10 minutes between the two maybe then but the says so let's go back to the now that we know the question it's a little better the whole question was what if the guy is over here in this place between one and two can this animal give you a kapur on a on a is that you did after say there was that if the to happened over here certainly the carving is going to come and give you a kapar even though it was already named and he already has a sign on him that he's yeah there's already a there was already he's called so that answers our question from that the animal the carbon that was already designated and put aside as a does have an ability to forgive afterwards. So the says you're right. There's no right. The reason why he didn't ask the question from this stage and he only asked it from this stage is because he's saying if you say this stage is good, the animal does work. What about this far far stage way ahead? It's all the way after all the the zika of of the first one but before the zika of the second one. Does it also work at that point? In other words, he wasn't sure about this step right over here. So, don't don't ask me a question that you see from here that it works. He still wasn't sure. This is a little tricky. In other words, just to to explain very carefully over here, let me ask you something. When you have a mind to bring a carbon for your friend. Yeah, we said that's called and meaning you change from a tolim you change from rub to shim. Those are the two things the has a bad thought in his mind. Instead of thinking to himself that he thinks himself as he's thinking to himself as instead of him doing it for the guy with the red beard he thinks to himself he's doing it for the guy with the blue turban. What does it mean? So we have to explain we have to explain a little bit means I want the guy with the blue turban to achieve the kapara. I want him to have the forgiveness from that animal. But over here it's a little different. That's why I'm pointing it out. Rashi says right away, we're not talking about aid. It could be any carbon in the world. This is just an example. What did he do over here? He didn't do what we just described that he wanted his friend to get a carbon the the the the achievement of the carbon taido. Over here, he said that this tid should be his friend. It's different. It's very similar. Let me show you rashy. What I'm saying I understand it's a little it's a little Let's see. Maybe Rash will explain it better. He wasn't thinking that over here. It's more it's similar to to changing the the type of carbon it is rather than the owner over here. Why? They both Ruben had a carbon. But here's the here's the thing here to to explain a little bit. It's similar to to saying that this over here instead of it being for blood it should be for the I'm saying instead of it this this carbon so basically instead of the carbon being for Rub it should be for now that should get a kapar from it I'm changing designation the the the type the carbon instead of rub it should go to rabul if it's ker or Rabbi, what's up? What's the what's the difference here? The bottom line is you're right. You messed up a little bit. You put this this animal on instead of on but it was for the right the right one. It was for you need to do it for the right person. How do you know I'm right? that it's end of the day. So that's that we had the other day. This is not coming to tell you that if you for somebody else you're the coming to tell you that if you sh the tid with the wrong intent. You said this is it's if you remember I gave an example of making on an apple which if you make on a on a cucumber in other words is in the category of is not in the category of this now Since is not called a taid. So if you say the schlam is a no good it's only because he's saying is a taid. That's why it's possible. But what if you say is a taid like our case which is a little bit of a stretch because in our case he's going putting a tid on somebody else. He's saying the my tid reubin should be for shim's kosher ending says my even for a friend what does that mean this guy he broke out of algatres and he swam across the ocean to get home so he did two things he he came out of jail and he also went over the the the ocean so he has to bring two tidas and in those two taidas he messed up like like he had to bring a taidas and he brought it for the but don't mix up a case of his for his friend. So says so you tell me that it's possible if you do for your friendl if you already tell me a case of that by mistake you messed up instead of saying you said it's possible I have a better case listen forget going from one type of carbon to another within itself I have a case where it's possible if I do for and I say it's possible and then everybody would know that would be possible that if I and they say then it's possible to possible sole. No, not true. No, it's not true. I would think that if somebody says instead of it would be good. Why? Because if somebody says the opposite, it is good. So for yeah is in the category of so if I say it works even though it's even though if I say that this should be instead of it works but I do the opposite it doesn't work I need to tell you that here even I got just I just got mixed up but don't bring that mixing up somebody else's with your is okay I would think that it would work that if you say that this is a that this is This is a you would work. No doesn't work. So we're going to learn now seven says seven. Fascinating thing happened yesterday. These are all the and this is taken from the end of the it's a very very interesting thing. Here we go one by one. If you have two, one is for one is for dam. You say that this number one instead of I did a for I wanted the messed up. You told the look this called I wanted I wanted to come to forgive on my and the messed up. says it's for the dam which both is going to bring a positive but if the messed up and said that this should be what do you do with it? put in the garbage. Burn it says you have to have intent for he had the right intent just for what it is that you messed up. Okay, but it's for caution. No, no, no. If you go to another category of next So that would be this one right over. Now we're doing if you for another owner what is that called just to remind that's at the one called but when you're doing you had in mind for another owner or when you're doing you had in mind that the zri is going to be for another owner. But if somebody designated and I say that this should be for somebody else. your your friend. So your friend has to be similar to you. It's only when somebody is like yourself. We'll see a little bit more later. If you on somebody for somebody else who doesn't doesn't have an so to speak, it's possible why everybody has at least one little could come and and give a forgiveness on the assays Like we mentioned yesterday, I say could be could be also certain things that have to do with it. It's why if this is so powerful to come and forgive you for something that by mistake but if you did you get so certainly it has the ability to forgive a very smaller smaller What? You're telling me that this could forgive things that in other words it's in the same category? These are in the same category. It's the same. We just established that for somebody that's one category. So you would be possible. But if you have in mind for the the it's cauter why it's a different category. So says the gammoraprau. So we had this concept before this is the main this is the main a that the cannot take care of the main assay but this miku this is like the secondary the the little ones the little guys. So it goes like this. If a person set aside an so then those aas doesn't do anything for it. But if the guy didn't set aside a for it so theas is going going to take control those little baby a whatever they called the the ones that float on the top the secondary ones. What happens if the katas takes over and takes those little guys then it becomes possible you know you hear what's going on the since since the katas cannot do other a and you didn't take care of them yourself with the and it grabs onto them so it becomes possible if you didn't designate a carbon then it wouldn't become possible another that we learned if Somebody messes up the K messes up by the and he thinks himself the wrong I'm I'm making thislam not. It's also to continue with that thought with the with the rest of the process with the rest of that. You just get back on track and you do what you need to do. You messed up and then we said then it's for life. You can learn this from a Ishmar we said a whole that the P starts with a nether goes off to Nava and then we said because this is a nether why say because if you mess up of the nether you don't do the nether it becomes I love this I love this if you mess up what you should continue messing up you mess up so then you you take control and you go right there like we said in the beginning the parent of another if we had the case of the woman she died right after she brought her but she didn't she didn't she didn't she didn't live long enough to bring her so bring the let's go back there maybe the needs a little refresher if the kids bring the carbon and the the the messes up and thinks that this is not a this is a aim It is apostle. But if if the cen messes up, it says it's not for the woman who gave birth, but it's for this guy that uh I don't know what he he needs. They didn't mess up. Why? There's no ownership after she dies. She died. Finished. No, there is a concept called bringing cover for somebody after death. And that that just messed it up. when he says >> what >> the have to bring another carbon. But the question is did he mean did he mean seriously that there's a is considered ownership after death ma the have to bring another carbon or the is that the get a with that carbon but they don't have to bring another carbon dam no the have to bring Another carbon another. What's an a gift? It's a gift to Hashem. After you get a on your you bring that also. I don't understand why you bringing this. If you didn't if you didn't do it's a strong language here. You did one. You didn't do chuva. You did a bashig. You didn't bring a carbon. Hashem despises the the carbon of a Russia. If he did, if a person was and he did, you don't need to bring another carbon on this. You see from here that it's a gift. It's an extra. You don't have to, but it's it's a good idea to bring it. So now you see what I'm saying? Everything we just learned is in these words right over here. Let me just show you again. So here it is. His everything put together is really for two different things. These are the seven we just learned. And huh >> one more. >> Sorry. What do you mean? Why? Why do you bring a person doesn't have he brings? Why does it come before you have the how do you say pract in English? Not not a lawyer. A represent an ad. Oh, I like that. That's great. An advocate. Beautiful. If the advocate was accomplishing accomplished, then you bring a gift to smooth things over. So we learned in the Mishna that there are two kurbanas that if you mess up there's nothing you can do about it over here you don't say let's continue on let's go the if the messes up and he says this is not a pel this is a carbon this is not a this is the story toss it how do I know this that you cannot continue easy stuff now He shall do a she will call us every step of the way must be for and if you have in mind one second that it's gone. So that's okay because that's the different the different thing. So don't mess up in the and call it something else. Where do we see over here? This idea of messing up also the ownership messes it up completely. once again we have another in the saying the same thing that you cannot mess up in now we have this concept you see on the screen if I I can't use this pos for the same thing again I already have it what do I need another let me use it for something very very similar different but similar I don't need it anymore to teach me that I cannot mess up the type of carbon So, I'll use it. I cannot mess up the owner. Okay, this there's a few there's a few steps here. Like we said in our mit regular carbon, it's not the best. You're not getting the the top mitzvah, but you continue going. You won't have a kap. We have you have to bring another one. But this carbon is a good carbon. So, that's all I know so far. How do I know it's puzzle? Throw it in the garbage or burn it, whatever you want to call it. The second there's another poss since I need this for something else as we're going to see in a second. So I don't have it available to tell me that you have to burn it and get rid of it. What does say don't this is a famous you designate you put your carbon pes on the side everybody so excited we're going to go to the bd what does this little guy do runs away so this guy he needs a carbon pes so what does he do he buys a second carbon pes what always happens when you buy carbon pes second one 3 minutes after you shak here he is somebody looked at the chip and they found Oh, this is yours. Now what do you do is literally it's in the category of and therefore you could bring it as I already used the entire to tell me this could take a and do it as and it says in the how do I learn it from here I don't understand something comes from goats and from sheep why does it say cattle to remember this just to to engrave it in our memory because it's very he says why could be a a male female a goat and a cow and a sheep could be anything and then he goes just to describe other things that every every carbon is either this or that. He says so to remember they're always male also not only is always and he says we should like give from now on like a skirt there's one type of that we learned in the beginning the king brings a but to remember again is always a male is is female is everything both and a male fits right into the carbon should be you're right this tells me that if you have extra carbon after make it as so where am I learning from and what does it say at the tells me that if you mess up in a current pes you say that this is not a current this is then you you it's a mess up but we only have a mitzvah now but we don't know that you have to toss it out yet and I have another to teach me that if you mess up in order you also messed up here's the positive just to see we have the two And the actual word who is you toss them out. You can't use it anymore for how do I know once I see this that includes all four. So also includes all four. I don't like that. He says how do I know all the You guys remember the song here. But what's missing here is and that's the really in the beginning of the I should have told you is not on on this list over here. It's not that. So this is important. Rashi brings this down. Look at this. This of so to speak has all the afterwards says from there I can learn out also what's missing in the top and that's called so that second that adds the ones that are missing and the Tory says that these two are connected like we already established that that that you have to have the right intent for owner and for type of carbon. You should definitely have that intent and if not you have to bring another carbon but you continue going with this. There's no difference what at what point of the did it all four fine now but if you're already was learning from the who you need but over here we have a whole he have these so why do you need the word who it says the word who by by who and that tells us that you have to toss out this it's to teach you the who Not. It's not like that. Where does it say the word who? I forgot to bring the pause again. It says the word who? I showed it to you the other day. The who comes at the end when it's already not important. It's important but not it doesn't ruin it. If you don't bring the the pieces of animal onto the still kosher. So doesn't ruin it. Not like a car where he ruins it. Raoai have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.