CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 66 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning rap boys the job today is to get to the let's see if we could do it. So we learned that one of the differences between andas is the middle one like in what is that orange brown gold the you do you go through the two the it says in the you shouldn't go through the two so what happens if you do go through the two so the mission says it's possible if you go through the too basically let's call it you take off its head that's that's how we call it removing the head separating the head it's not necessarily separating the head it means going through the two rather than the one no good so three lines from the tab says that it's fine in other words. I heard that if you do remove the head of it doesn't make it possible. The Torah says you shouldn't do it. Don't do it. But if you went ahead and you were on it, don't be excited that you're going to get carus. You're not going to get carus. You're not going to get. Maybe you will get, but the animal itself doesn't have to be thrown out. It can continue being a carbon. that does not go like our Mishna. So we have to understand why our Mishna we'll call our Mishna Tanakama and the son of they argue what's the argument. So first of all I want to show you stop how let's familiarize ourselves here over here you can see there's thera the spinal cord the spinal the spine that's in the green that's the white line that goes all the way to the right when the k puts his thumb through the back of the neck of the pigeon he's going to hit that spine right away he's going to sever the spine a pigeon is different than than a than than chickens and animals. When you sh an animal, you come from the front of the neck and you get you cut the c and the vehic and the sophagus are together. The same thing with a chicken. When it comes to pigeon, he claims there's a distance between the k and the vet. One is on the right side. Let's call it one is on the right and one is on the left. And there's a chunk of meat that we're going to be calling roy baser. There's a piece of meat that that covers something. There's a piece of meat. Now, there's two ways to cut the two simum. Either you cut one simmon and go through the row of meat and cut the second sim, or you cut one simmon and you kind of push the meat out of the way and go a little bit around your your nails still in the in the pigeon. You push it away and you get to the second sim. You hear the two ways. One is to just goes through and through and through. But to go through and through and through, it's going to take you a half a second or a second to cut through meat. And then you get to the second one because you're going from the right side of the pigeon to the left side of the pigeon. To get there, you're going to have to go through some extra stuff that you don't that's a little bit of a heaps. Let's call it a >> hea. There's the other way is I'm not exactly understanding exactly how it works, but just believe that there's something called I could go to one and maybe maneuver my finger kind of push it aside. Push the me aside and go straight to the second one. One and two. Now, how do we do the malik for a here? Let's see. Let's see Malikica for here we for Here's the Now you see the white the white the white pipe that that he's going to hit first is what? That's the spine. We're not talking about that. What what he's what we're looking for is this pipe right over here. This pipe is the is is one that's the uh this is the the esophagus, right? This is what he eats from. This is the trachea. Okay. So, here goes. I think it's other way around. >> The other way around the the >> breathing, >> right? Right. The breathing from Yeah. Yeah. The breathing is the >> is the trachea. Correct. So, here we go. >> He just cut one simmon. You saw one simmon >> the esophagus and now he's going to the trachea and boom, he goes to the trachea. But in order to get there and he that's called yavdil. He did two simon chopped off the head. But there was a nice chunk of uh meat over there in the middle. You see that meat? Hold on. Sorry. That piece is called Ray Buster. Now, how do you do the same thing byas? So, you go through, you hit the one simmon. Do you stop there? Cuz you did one sim. That's all you're allowed to do is one simmon. No, you have to go through the baser and then stop short of the second simmon because you're not allowed to hit the second sim. But you must cut raser. So that's very important for today's sug if you do two that's then you basically cut its head off and you're not allowed to do that. It says in the but as we're going to see at the end of the not it's not maybe according to but you should go through the buser after you puncture the spine and one sim and and technically this this pigeon is dead you must continue going through baser that's important to understand the that that that right over there for the rest of the sug on on the that's not like that's not like the son of the son of says that you do [clears throat] cut the two in other words if you went through the second simmon by mistake ake or whatever. It didn't make it possible. The Tory says you shouldn't. Okay, I'm not going to argue with the in the but it's not possible. May over here doesn't mean your typical like what's the what is the behind? Why do they argue? Where's the argument? To understand the next section of the Garra, you have to understand this. Pay attention because you don't want to get lost here. It's simple, but you don't want to get lost. It's it's not not not complicated at all. In order for a to be kosher, it cannot resemble an if you do the of it's automatically possible. You hear this? If you mimic the of a of a throw it out. So, let me show you something. Take a look. anah you have to do two things. What are the two things you have to do by the two? What are the two avid by Malikica >> and if you did those two things by uh throw it out in the garbage cuz you mimicked the if you do the on in other words you do two plus throw it out either of the two or both. If you do both not either of the two you have to do all the like so says here very interesting this is all we're doing right now in this basically says what's the is between the son of and the tanakama is very simple is it can if what I'm doing I'm going to give you an option to cut off the head but you make sure that you're not like ana You're allowed to cut off the head as long as you're not like a how could I do a not being like a and still cutting off its head. [clears throat] Step one, I messed up already. I did like an I cut off its head. I did two sim. I have to make sure that step two is not like if I could refrain from doing step two then I could cut off its head. Our says you cannot cut off the head. Says you could cut off the head. So I'll explain to you why says inside the do I have to do I have to shmear squeeze the blood of this bird on the wall. Now if I have to squeeze the blood on the wall then I must do step two and I did step one. Bam. automatically it is puzzle because I did exactly like a but if I don't have to do mitsu on the wall so then just refrain from doing the mitz on the wall and the fact that you cut its head off is not going to puzzle it because it's not like an now I just have to find two other things that I could do after I cut off its head and make sure I'm not like [clears throat] our holds that you must do. If you must do mitsu, I can't say he didn't do mitsu. He did he knocked off the head and then he has to go and squeeze the body on the thing. So you're identical to identical to since he did then he he acted like a like when he was doing the and that's possible holds that you don't have to do. So if you don't have to do mitsu, so after you cut its head off, I have a for you. Don't do mit. It's not. And then you won't pass the animal cuz if you did, then you'd mimic. So don't do it's not the end of the world. Here it is. So the fact that you're going and you're and and and you're cutting more, you're already done because you don't have to do the meat. Oh, so now we're learning a new concept in means pausing for a moment. If you could if there's a continuous motion in a you go back and forth, you can do it all day long with the knife. You go like this for 2 hours straight in the if you're slow and you want to cut nicely, you go like this all day long. If you pause for one moment, doesn't matter. a moment, a half a second, a second, you're done. It's over. Here's the Shiloh. In postville, they one simmon on the chicken. It's good. You don't need to do two sim by by chicken. That's by an animal. You have to do two. One is enough. Yet there's a special you have to do two. That's special by you have to cut the head off. But nothing to do with the part. Nothing to do with the side. So since the question is what if he he paused in between one and two it's not a real malik there's no pausing for the second one I was with the one I have to do two for a side on the other side nothing to do with the malika but is there she or not do I am I on So it goes like this. >> I said that holds that it doesn't it's not a problem to get to the second to get to the second sim by by pausing is not a problem. So if you do this by then you're mimicking the by by cutting to it will be exactly like there's no no problem pausing and you pause over here by the it's fine. Why is it pausing? Because you must if you remember by by you must cut royer in order to be you have to cut one sim and roy buser. Now you cut the buser. That's a pause. But if a pause is not a problem, then you did it like a if you did it like a ple. So it goes like this. Let's see. Shia one simmon. There's three steps here. Step number one is [snorts] cut one simmon. Step number two is to cut the meat. Step number three is cut simon two. The question is, is the center thing considered a pause between simmon one and simon two? Because you just wasted time and you're cutting more meat. is like taking a knife and cutting the leg of the animal. Although you're cutting meat in the neck, you don't have to. You could do simmon one and then simmon two by moving your thumb somehow and doing sim. Why are you cutting more meat? But if it's not a problem by So here, look what happens. You're doing the same thing by and by. But if it's not a problem by then what would happen to the no good because now you mimicked the but if it is a problem by then it's not a problem by you what I'm saying over here if not pausing by by the meat part which you must do by is problematic for an then you could get away with you can do it by because it's not you have to do that by you have to most of the meat and it's a so it's kosher by because you're not mimicking the >> cutting the two is by >> cutting the two sim continuing on doing step one two and three cutting one by cutting the buser by which makes it possible by and then cutting in two byas now you're not mimicking the really because if you did the same exact thing by that would be x on top it would be no good. So it is good by it's it's it's a it's counterintuitive counterintuitive. If it is good by then it would be no good by because now you're mimicking and no good. But since she cutting the bus or by makes it possible. So if you did the same exact steps which would make it possible by it's good because you all you need is one and you need the fact that you continue there and you did simmon too is not a problem. I I just want to tell we'll read inside the word says how did he do by cutting bus or by cutting that thickness [snorts] of the meat. In step two so it's okay because you're just cutting meat. We have to get at least olive today. Do I have to really cut most of the meat? Now what if [clears throat] let's do this. If you need to go through so in other words start from the top. Everybody according to everybody agrees that that this cutting through the right buser is Mak [cough] that the she is everybody agrees. The question is if I must do the right buser but if I must it's it's going to be possible to go through the buser. Why? Because it's and it's so our our tanakama holds this is [clears throat] a like a little piece in Rashi. Rashi says that our Tanakama holds that he'll agree that if he actually didn't do shy he went around let's say he went around it would be kosher just the holds we have to make maybe it won't go around maybe it'll go through the so we said that if you knock off the head of the it's a parab in other words here let's just see it inside Here here we go. If you do one simmon and then shah and then second simmon according to that's whether or not it's user and if you do the same thing and would be okay. So the sh is if is a problem or not is if or not everybody agrees that's a problem but do you have to do or not? Sorry. In other words is actually uh another this is I'm sorry the second terrorist of of question is but you're telling me if if he didn't do the bosser is he or not It seems like you must you should do you should cut through most of the meat. You do one simmon plus in yes that's true but I'll prove it to you from how do you do malika first you cut through the spide and the uh what is it called? I don't know how to say you don't do the royer first. You go either to the right or to the left. You're going to bump in. That's You see how it says it over there? It's much like vice versa and are not lined up one after another. Rather, they're to the sides. One is on the right, one is on the left. So, you can make a right turn and get to the let's say or make a left turn and get to the you you cut one of them. You cut one or most of it and then rabbi then you cut the bus or part when it comes to in other words saying is you need the the entire thing or have according to you have to cut both completely according to so they told over these three of how to do how to cut off a head and not be like an and be saved. He said, "I don't understand. You didn't hear this. It's not a problem to cut off the head." What are you looking for all when the Tyra says you can cut off the headd and what is that? What do I mean that you shouldn't cut off the head? [clears throat] You hear this? When the Torah says don't cut off the head, the Torah doesn't mean don't cut off the head. Says you don't have to cut off the head. >> You have to do >> no you don't have to do one sim. And if you you want to cut off the head, cut off the head. But all you need to do is one sim. It doesn't make any sense. Are you telling me in the whole Tory? What does Loy mean? Loy means no. Now you tell me means you don't have to. It says that the person dug a pit and he didn't cover it in middle. It means it's it's a good it's a recommendation. you you should cover it if you feel like it doesn't make any sense. Now just points out real quickly on the smallus shouldn't ask from other things. It says a lot of times don't don't eat a don't wear shenas. Why did the ask from there? So, so he says that [cough and clears throat] cuz over here logic tells me I should cut cut too. The more you cut the better. Yeah. If the if the animal has two, why not give it a quick death? Cut it spine. It's two things. Yeah, it's better. No, Peter would love it. So, it's better to cut two. That's why the says that I don't have to to take away from your in the is what what does logic tell me in a in a pit >> that you should cover it be a mench cover you made a pit cover it so was coming to tell me maybe maybe like by us maybe means you don't have to to tell me don't eat don't wear sh that's there's no logic that you don't wear sh there's no logic you shouldn't eat an aa it's not logic the says don't eat aa But something that has logic then the Torah says don't do it. Maybe I'll think that the Torah is saying it's a recommendation says what do you bring me from from a bar says that the the owner of the bar should pay. So it's obvious that he has to cover the pit. Thank you. his [clears throat] is going on the person that that has to pay. So if you have to pay obviously it means you have to cover. Now to read it is a little complicated. It doesn't doesn't go well says Rashi. So Rashi has his own. So actually like this very simple it says vik means only it's a limiting only this do you have to cut to how do I know means they have to cut because it says means that it's it's a recommendation you you don't want to cut through don't cut through you could if you want to you don't have to and then the the the the vote is number three is because if means that it it's like we thought to begin with the whole don't cut it's then maybe is one step less than that if if means so what's one step less than it's the opposite then would mean it's so you have to say that is and That's why we say by us means you could if you want to because if it doesn't mean that you want to then mean that it's where am I so we said in the if you squeeze out the the blood of the body that's enough even though even though you didn't take out the blood from the head I would think that if you took out. You squeeze the head on the wall, but you didn't do the body. That's okay. Who? What does mean? How do you see it? Most of the blood is in the body itself. So that's the mitzvah. So you have to squeeze the body and you don't have to squeeze the head. We have a few more minutes. This is very very simple. If you don't even look inside, the words could be confusing. We know all these. If you do a where you're supposed to do a which is above the red line and you thought about and you did everything like is it kosher? >> Yes. That's the first line in the Mishna. I'm sorry. Now we're talking about a bird. So if you take a bird and you do where you need to do it here, like over here, that's what you're supposed to do. The animal is above the he did everything like he's supposed to do in the right place, in the right time, with the right thought with no over here. If he [clears throat] did the action of a but he thought that it's an that's the first that if by you have the wrong thought of you think that it's the different a different carbon plea he took this but did the actions of we're going to see what it means exactly he did of that's also possible And of course, if he took and did everything, the action of the it's possible. If he did it above the red line over here, he's supposed to do it below the red line. He did it above the red line. The the place is wrong. What's And he did it either like whatever it is. It's possible. Why? is the is is is an now we're moving on to supposed to do above the red line. So he did everything the right way that it's we're just trying to be symmetric here. We don't have to say this line but we say it. But if he thought about that it's another carbon that's in the first of it doesn't ruin the carbon you have to bring another one. If you took this and you made it like a you did the the meat everything like a we'll see in the what it means and or you did everything even the was that then it's possible because the mice is no good and if he did it below the red line instead of above the red line let's turn the page so at least we could do the sponsorship says what did he change. Have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy.com.