CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 65 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Welcome. Welcome to all the guests. So, a woman, let's say, gives birth. She has to one of the she brings is a bird. What's the procedure? He goes up the ramp and makes a right turn and that's it. That's where he stops right there on the first corner. It's called southeast corner. We spoke a lot about the southwest corner that's opposite that corner. Obviously, they're both on the south side. The south side is the the side of the ramp. So, if you make a right turn, you would hit the southeast. If you make a left turn, you'd hit the southwest corner. Sometimes you make a left right away. Sometimes you go all the way around to get to the southwest corner. Most of the time you go all the way around. So if I were to ask you what are the differences that you could come up with between and bird both birds above the line and below the line the you take off the head and the you don't take off the head. Anybody else? A the you don't eat and you do eat. What else? If there's a or no sprinkling or no and what else? What place on the bath do you do it on? >> The you do on the south. We're just reading now. East and on the So here's the little list I put together. Do you do above the red line, the you do below the red line. Do doesn't have a Zo. Katus has a Zo. You chop the head off or you cut the two sim says it's to to cut the head completely goes onto them the the the is on the souththeast corner unless there is overflow. There's too many on the southeast. So then you go, you could also use the southwest and that's where you throw 30. He doesn't go up the ramp to the top. He has to take the the first exit. >> He takes the first exit halfway because he's going to the to get to the to go to the ledge. You can't go all the way up to the top. You go to the top, you miss the ledge. The ledge is is halfway up. So he has to take the exit here. So he takes the exit off and he that's the corner he's at. He does his thing. He does the malikulu. Oh, there's the mitsy on that corner. Now he's going to he has to separate the head, right? The head and >> what what happened over there? >> Yeah, that's only the head. >> Oh, it's only the head. >> He goes and dunks it in salt. There's a thing of salt on the bay. He puts it in salt and then he tosses it into the fire into the mara. Then he has to redo the whole thing. He has to do that same thing, the same process with the body. First he does the head, he does the body. I saw the kaz says the imamish goes all the way around and he's walking 300 meters according to the kazh. Kobe added that he did the salt to the to the thing because we didn't have salt yesterday by the Hebrew. He would he would do malik in the back of the neckd and he separates the head from the body. In other words, what does it mean separate the head from the body? It means to go through the the trachea and the esophagus, the cut in the no. He goes and he gives a good with the body on the wall of the not on the wall of the not on the wall of the ramp on the wall of he takes the head. He goes and he he puts the head on the over here is to to put it on the wall. So he does then he goes and and he okay really means to absorb. But he he dunks it into the salt and then he throws it onto the fire of the the he comes back after he's on top of the to get to the top. He has to go down the small ramp, the exit ramp and come back up the main ramp. He does that whole thing back >> stayed on the on the corner on the corner of the MB on the southeast corner right there where he did the Malikica. He left it lying there. >> He leaves it lying there. >> Yeah, you have to leave it lying there. Go. If he comes back to the body, the only issue we have is that what if there's other there? So, they probably had barcodes and different things, you know, scan and this is mine. That's yours or different I don't know. And then he opens up the body of this animal of this bird and he takes out the muro which is the zep here. This is it. >> The crap. So, so we're going to learn we're going to see the word in Hebrew means a feather. So, you take the feather with it. We'll show you how it's done and he takes the and he tosses it as you saw yesterday into the which is an area 10 down the ramp next to the ramp and it absorbs all the things miraculously. It goes into the ground. So just means that you take it and you rip it open. You with your hands you open up the bird, but you don't open it up that much that it separates completely. You don't want to make two parts out of it. You just pop it open. But if you did, if you were too strong and you ripped it apart, it's kosher. You submerge it in salt. Then that this part also you toss into the if you didn't do one of the that occurs after the which is like the and we know the is like the final m it's the one it's the thing that counts most. So if you didn't do those other things it's not the end of the world. You didn't take out the crap and the feather. You didn't take out the the inards. You didn't dunk it in salt. Since these are all things that happen after the which is like this, it's still kosher. We're moving on to the if you took off the head of the bird which the says you should not. So it's possible or you did not remove the head of the which you should remove. In other words, you should go through the two and by doesn't mean literally removing the head. It means you went too far. He went through two through the trachea and the esophagus ple no good. If you only squeezed out the head of the and not that of the body but if you squeezed out the blood from the body of the is going to explain that most of the blood it's actually a it's the body is theor the head is the tel. Oh, now if you recall, this is easy stuff. When when you bring an let's say you bring anah and you think to yourself, the kind thinks himself that it's not an it's a what's called the is okay. The the owner didn't get a kapara. you would have to bring another or let's say promised anah you'd have to bring another but you continue the you continue putting everything on the continue this the whole thing it's a good carbon the only two carbonas that if you mess up on what it is are ruined are the >> that is where where do we see this >> first of it's kosher If you switch the type of carbon it is. So by the way a bird is like a animal. So if you mess up you you think to yourself that this is an bird not a katus bird. Take this bird toss it into the garbage. Wherever the garbage is not a literal garbage you put on a special garbage heap over there. It's not a good it's not a good katus. But if [clears throat] you the reverse if you have a bird and you thought to yourself it's a katas it would be okay the owner would have to bring another one. So says the Mishna. Now it's very important if you think about it. What are the four avoid of a carbonita? >> What comes after? And after that and after that >> what happens a bird. What do we have? We have which is like what else do we have? What about kabala and don't exist? So there's only two is by a bird. So therefore the first is to do to they can't say to what would be a better word in English um decapitated. No. To um how do you say to slaughter? You slaughter it. So it doesn't matter how you slaughter. There's a from the front. Malik is from the back. Okay. So the you if you did by you thought to yourself that it's done ple and what's the other option that you had that thought during the the blood on the wall. thought to yourself it's not a it's in the itself you thought to yourself it's a and then you thought to yourself no it's you thought to yourself it's and you thought to yourself doesn't matter which one you thought first all these cases is possible why a you cannot think about another type of carbon during a doesn't matter if it's an animal or a bird But if you thought to yourself while you're doing an you thought to yourself it was it's kosher but it doesn't work for the owner you'd have to bring another one kosher just means you continue being mate oh those are the two that's the only two times. So let's talk about lama here. I mean pigle. What is pigle? Just in the simplest terms, pigle is let's say you have an animal that you could eat for 2 days. It's a schlam. You're allowed to eat it for 2 days. So the who's doing the he thinks himself he's going to eat it in 3 days from now. One more day after you're allowed to eat it. It's outside of its allotted time. Instead of you're only allowed if you're allowed to eat it for two days, he thinks himself he's going to eat it for 3 days. He's going to make a bris for his kid in 7 days. is going to eat it. Then you could have that thought during you could have that thought during here. It has to be during one of the four. You could have that thought while you're while you're doing while you're doing and while you're doing what thought? It could be anything that has to do with eating. I'm going to make a barbecue in four days or I am going to put this meat on the misbehing. Why is that eating? cuz the misb is eating the meat. I'm going to do the in 4 days cuz is also a type of eating. I'm going to do the shirim in 4 days from now. That's also type of here. So it just shows you it's two two conditions. I'm going to do I'm going to fine that's just to make it more complicated. But just p if you want to just get it the easiest easiest form. While he's doing he thought to himself he's going to make a barbecue which is the last condition on the number two on condition number one one is and 42. So that's the easiest one. Pagle is super sensitive. In order to be on pigle it has to be a thought of just pigle just it can't involve any other bad thoughts. It's you want to be over this a you want to go through the whole toy and say I was on Shabas I was on I ate a McDonald's and now I want to be on pigle. So you have to make sure that you think this thought that you're going to eat it outside of its allotted time and that's it. But if you once you add another thought let's say I'm going to eat it outside its allotted place where I'm only allowed to eat the in and he thought himself well I'm going to eat it in Bamesh. Boom. You ruined the pigle. It can't be pigle now. Even though you thought to yourself, I'm going to eat it in betsh in 7 days from now. You said I'm going to eat it in seven more days. That's that's pigle. But since you said in betsh it knocks off the pigle. Pigle has to be pure just I'm going to eat it outside of it all of time. And therefore the Mishna gives us like six cases of the same exact idea. So it goes like this. And by the way it's all it's all stuff that we learned before. Here look this is just the kabala and he has a thought what's his thought while he does one of these four things we we discussed this is what we just discussed he thought he's going to eat a barbecue or he thought he's going to do fine [clears throat] what else could I show you to to confuse you okay give out oh here means he's going to eat it in seven days from now he put it in the freezer that you get carus if you eat it means I'm going to eat it outside of your that makes it possible there's no carus on that pigle that we're discussing is the one on the right [clears throat] so here goes so what is it seven eight lines from the bottom so all these that we learned in the beginning apply exactly the same way to a bird says he but there's only two by a bird there's only the so these have to occur during those two so either he did or he squeezed the blood out of the wall and he thought to himself what do you eat which one of the birds are you eating only the not mainly the is what little part of the he thought himself he's going to eat it in thinking that thought during those two a either or makes it possible but there's no severe punishment of cars but if he thought himself he's going to eat he's going to eat this carbon bird he wants to serve it at a shami wedding Till this very day they serve pigeon at at your weddings to the so he's going to use it next week at that's cars have cars for that as long as you do everything correctly. What does that mean? So we know what a matter is. Matter means that when you do the you have to do malik you have to do mitadam. Once you do mitam, that's it. That's the matter. From that point on, you could eat the bird. From that point on, you're even if you mess up, we said even you didn't put the the salt, you didn't you weren't m whatever, it's still a good. Okay. How does it work? If the first of you didn't have a bad thought, it doesn't matter. Why? Because the second you had a bad thought. But when you did the thought was to eat it in 4 days from now, no good. It's possible. Or he started off thinking he's going to eat it in 4 days from now. But the second of the squeezing of the blood, he didn't think that. You don't have to think in all a it's enough to think in one out of the two or he did think in both of them. That for sure is that's a good pigle. [snorts] This is she's a he's a Russian. He did that very perfectly. Beautiful. Okay. There's a lot of language here that for the simple just a simple idea [snorts] if he started off thinking to himself he's going to eat it in the wrong place. And also in addition to that, he thought he's going to eat it in 4 days from now. [clears throat] Oh, or he started off he thought he's going to eat it in 4 days from now. In other words, it doesn't matter. According to this, it doesn't matter which one came first. The came first and then the Oh, the came first and then that's not a good pigle. Why is it not a good pigle, Rabbi? Is he? Because he added another thought. There's two thoughts here instead of just a pure thought of pigle and this is not both of them were so there's zero piggle there's no over here what if only bird is there a problem of the we said bird there's no problem of the was the first mission inv about animals. Now we're talking about a bird. So he had a bad thought. He's going to he thought to himself, it's not a bird. It's a bird. So does the thought of ruin the thought of pigle? Yes. It has to be a pure thought of pigle or he started off beautifully was going well. He thought he's going to eat this outside of it's a lot of time in four days from now. But then he ruined it by thought that it's not it's he did both of thinking that it's not like he was supposed to. He's not going to get. So now the Mish is just telling us that in order to do pagle you need a kaz like everything else in the world everything. So if his thought was one insh one in four days from now or he reversed it the first was in four days from now second I'm going to eat insh or so now over here you don't have the you have only a half a she don't combine even they did combine it's two different so therefore you don't get cars >> [clears throat] >> What is possible? Review the argues and we have the same argument when it comes to an animal. So he says if you thought to yourself you're going to eat it outside of a lot of time then it becomes the fact that you added 7 minutes later a thought that you're going to eat it that doesn't ruin it you already is it how you going to undo then it's cars then you do get cars however but if you thought that you're going to eat it in came before the thought of that's when you ruin of then you don't have just a repeating now. Now he's he's he's he's confusing two things. I'm going to eat a half a on a on a on a barbecue and I'm going to put a half on a on a I would think I would think they're both eating. One is human consumption, one is the misb consumption. So maybe the no they don't go together. If you don't have like me, do not read a viku cuz that would ruin the whole here cuz that would be plural is singular. That's why I have this is plural which is also plural. If a person is bringing don't be cheapkate or don't be hard on yourself. You're you're a wealthy guy. You pull up to the vikdash in your $200,000 car. You think yourself I'm going to go into the vd now and bring up lousy bird. That's all I'm going to bring home. I'll come back tomorrow with a with a real thing that No, this is what you have now. This is what you do. You bring one. I would think you have to bring two like everything else in the T. It's always two. It's the bird for the woman, for the for the for the whoever it is, it's always two. No, you could bring to the I don't care how wealthy you are. I don't care. You can bring one. Bring whatever it is. Whatever you have right now. It says so why does it say who could go? We see in a second only could go to the gets the death penalty if he goes. So I say perform the simple when it comes to sheep even and you have to do it only in the north part of the you don't have to do certainly maybe even should able to do it. That's number one. You need a to do another perhaps you should use a knife. You don't you could do but you need a knife. I just say Rashi brings the later on. So certainly certainly you should need a knife. It's the finger. It's him himself does malik why I need a malik look at the over here you not should not go close to his back the reason it says that it should be done not with a knife should be done with the finger of the that's why not that you shouldn't have you in a know that the do with his finger maybe you can do even on the bottom the bird it's above the red line why how do I know it's above the red line not below the red line like like bird because it says where do you do where do you throw the the bird into the fire on top of them Another it says it should be the should be done in the back of the neck not in the front like a chicken like today. Maybe it should be in the front like we the chicken. [snorts] We learn it from it says by the K means by the it must be done by the back of the neck. Oh, if you learn from so it says you're not allowed to separate the two. In other words, you shouldn't separate the head or you shouldn't separate the head. In other words, you shouldn't separate the may Maybe you shouldn't separate the head. When you do, as we showed in the the the video, you have to bring the head by itself and you bring the body by itself. You're to dod you should be who told you coming with an assumption. Who told you this assumption is true that and the the body and the the head are separate because it's extra say before that another time talking about two different one of the body and two of the head it doesn't say that he took it says all the blood of the get sprinkled out you sprinkle blood on the on the not on the not on the ramp. On the upper wall should be on the lower wall. We had this we had this logic yesterday but in the reverse if you take the animal just look at the animal is above but the bird is below. So when sorry looking at the animal itself you have the animal is above but the animal is below. So the same that is above but when it comes to bird you put it below and so certainly the should be below you do and then you burn the head and then you squeeze the blood. How's it possible? Where's the where's the blood going to come out of the head if you already put it on a on a fire in a very intense fire there's no blood left to tell us that is on top of them should be above the red line how do you do this we saw this go up the ramp you come off the ramp on the exit and go to the which is the ledge You you do you separate the two take the put on the wall. Beautiful. Check this out. He's standing above the red line. He bends down and he does the mit below him. He has one. It's kosher. Why [cough] celebration? Not true. You're not allowed to do it over there. You have to do the higher up. What's beautiful? If you run out of room on top of the for whatever reason, there's an issue over there and you want to make another fire on the ledge. Not recommended, it's a fire hazard, but let's say you want to do it. So, this is what you do. You make another smaller fire right there. Mm. What? Since I'm allowed to make a fire over there according to the shita, then I'm just going to do the mitsu right by the fire right below it. It's beautiful. But if I cannot do the fire over there and the fire is on top, how could I do a mit all the way below? It's too far away. This man is going to hold that the mitsu has to be higher up on the wall. Has to be clo. You can't even do it on the lower part of that wall that he's standing on. You hear? That's a little bit of a con here. I didn't say this yesterday, last night. He's going to hold it. Has to be close to the fire. Anama below that. I don't know how much, but not all the way down the wall and certainly not below his feet. >> Doesn't he have to walk all the way around and spritz? >> Then he won't walk around. He'll jump over. Here we go. We're talking about the This is the animal. Here's the zepic. You see the crap. You see the gizzard, the corkan. And it looks like this today. This is vice fish with the zepic now. here like this. Here's the bird. You cut it comes out with the zepic, but a little bit of feathers with it. Now, check this out. This is important. This is going to throw you off. You take out this crap and you take the gizzard out also. >> No, the inside it's a gizzard. I show you the gizzard. >> No, here. Look, look at the that's in maybe in Hebrew. >> Look, this is this is the gizzard. It's a part of the intestines. So now the pop. Oh, pop. Oh, the inside of pit. Okay, now what we call the belly butt. Okay, now I want to ask you something. According to this mandar, do you take a feather with it or not? This man says you take the crap plus the the the gizzard the the what about the feather? The answer is no. No feather according to this. So write this down with your pencil. No feather. Why? Cuz he learns the word doesn't mean like we know in Hebrew night means a feather. He learns disgustingness. What's disgusting? The he says yeah he cut it like a like a window. So some say it's no m is between the two shittas. Those two sheetas some say no they have to be very exact according to the you just square right where the giz is you pop it out or the crap let's just do this little unfortunately you're supposed to tear it open you do it with a hand. You don't do it with a knife that he tore open the lion. Have a wonderful day. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.