CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 6 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[Music] We're holding like 15 lines from the bottom. Yesterday we were discussing what happens if a woman gives birth and she has to bring two carbonas. a bird as a katus and a kvis as an and she was only able to bring one and then she died. So if she brought the katus first then her kids bring the afterwards. Okay, this comes to answer the question of why do we bring a asham if it doesn't accomplish anything after the person dies. So if they mess up in the why do you have to bring the ash says sitting around again the third time on this is sitting around and discussing has that it's possible to have a carbon this woman died already. So the carbon is coming after her death. It's cauter even though it doesn't do anything. It doesn't accomplish a kapara. She's dead. What does it do? Nevertheless, you bring it. So what's the problem? Do the same thing for what do you mean? It does accomplish something. It accomplishes aap for the children. And the yim when the yarim bring that carbon they'll get a little bit of a kapar. Let's think about it for a second. How could you how can one accomplish a kapar with a carbon if it's not his? The yam own it. Who owns it exactly? The woman owns it. The yam own it. They own it completely. They don't own it completely. If they don't own it completely, how could they get a kapar from it? How could they use it? How could it be a soul says I don't understand you bring this carbon after you give birth what does that have to do with her with the with the children they didn't give birth this kid he didn't give birth so what does he bring a carbon here what carbon is this since it's an this could accomplish a lot of different things not trust to give her a kapar. So we said, oh, you know, I don't know if we have to mention it that she she brings the carbon because maybe she swore whatever the reason is, but it's a and has a side benefit that if she was ever over on an assay, not just an also a class, what's a good lava class the comes to Mrs. And so just like she brings it for those essays it comes forap for her. So comes forap for their for children. But we have to say that the children acquire this. The only way they could have a kap is if they own it. person left a carbon his two sons crave you could bring this ma and we don't consider the two sons says every single carbon comes as a as a partnership But not you can't bring as a partnership. So how did the how do the boys the bring it? It's not a problem. But if a acquires it so they both acquired the two sons acquired with a partnership how could they bring it? So what are you going to say? So they don't acquire it. If a person leaves over an animal for his two sons and then he dies, they bring it as a carbon for the father and they're not over on what's is that if you have an animal, you have one animal that you designated as a carbon. It's also for you. You think it's a good thing. Then all of a sudden you see a nicer animal, right? We discuss this all the time. here. This guy has an animal. It's a carbon. Basically, he's saying that the second carbon, the second guy on the right should be instead of the one on the on the left. It's nicer, heavier animal. That's is right called. Now, this is something that not a lot of people know. Tomorrow, if you're part of this year for a while, you know about this is an addition to that. that what partners cannot do tumor. If you have an animal that's owned in a partnership, you can't do tumor. It doesn't work. So says, "These two brothers that inherited an animal, they bring the carbon and they cannot do tomorrow." Wait a minute. Why can't they do holding like the last line on base? If you say that they actually acquired the animal, then it makes a lot of sense. They acquired the animal. Now they're partners. The two brothers. So two brothers are partners. Partners cannot cause. They can't change the animal. They're like partners. But if you're telling me like you try to say over here that a that a son aish does not acquire the carbon from a parent amiu they should be able to do. Now the obvious question that people should be asking to themselves right now is they don't know it. If you don't own it how do you do tumor on something you don't own? You can't go to somebody else's animal say oh that should be instead of that one. If you own it, you can do tomorrow. Okay, that's not such a problem because it's a gonna see that there's a a puzzle that says they could do as but they don't own it. Okay, says the shiabish. That's the it's a double y. Why? Why double the rabbis is that what that someone who inherits mascul tell me if there's a double that one could do it and not two people only one by we also have a double lion We're talking about let me just show you again if you're new to the sh you just started let's say this is for the new guys not for the old guys the way it works is you have a pile of fruit you have to give 2% to the k approximately 2% 10% you give to the levy the next 10% that's left over you take for yourself it's yours it's called my sheni in years 1 2 4 5 let's say you have a lot of fruit you own a tremendous amount the trees, whatever. And you cannot bring all that fruit. You must eat that fruit in your You can't bring it. It's too heavy. You can redeem it for cash. >> You give the guy the fruit and you get cash. You take the cash to your and you buy any food you want. You go to a restaurant, buy steak, the whole thing. Besides, what can you buy there? >> Water and what else? >> No. Fish. Fish. Can't buy filter fish. >> Mushroom. >> Mushroom. That's salt. Yes. water. >> Okay, because you can't buy a bottle of water. Bottled water is no good. And fish >> cannot you can't buy sushi. Sushi and water. But everything else you could buy. Wine, nice wine, whatever you want comes out. Now when you redeem the money, you have to add 25%. say when it comes out because it says double only one can do it not two but we know that two could different it's different is different because you see that partnership does work but you can learn from if you actually acquire it. I get it. If one actually acquires that's why he could do Yeah. But if he didn't acquire Okay, we have two people. Yeah. This guy that needs a kaparo. He didn't have a but he doesn't have any money. So he has a good friend that sees his predicament. He says, "You know, I'm going to buy the carbon for you. He buys the carbon for him." So the guy on the left, he gets the kapar. He's going to use the animal for to get rid of his a guy on the right purchased that animal. Now, who's the owner? Who owns the animal? Allah. >> The guy on the right. He purchased it. >> Oh. >> So we're going to see it depends for what? >> Depends for what? For certain things. The guy on the right. For certain things, the guy on the left. So it says like this the guy on the right when he comes to redeem the animal he has to pay 25% more but if somebody else redeems it he doesn't have to. So now in this case let's go back to this one guy bought it one guy used it who's the owner who has to pay the 25%. You're right the guy that purchases it he has to he has to pay the 25%. However, and it's interesting because we see it says this is by it says the one that designates this the house for whatever it is we're talking about the one that's by by carbon also he's magdish he sets it aside as an animal but he puts he gives another who has to give the magdish guy who's the magdish guy in our case it's the guy on the right, the guy that bought it. Look at the next. And this is the we're looking for. Oh, the one that gets the kapara, that's the guy on the left who's using the animal for zra. He he could make this animal. He could say, I want this animal to be instead of that and both of them will be kadesh and he gets an a for that. Now if the inheritor doesn't get a kapara he wouldn't be able to do tomorrow. You see from over here that in order to get to be able to accomplish tomorrow again. What's tomorrow? This case where he takes one animal does the other. You have to be the one that gets the kapara. You have to be Yeah. You have to be the one that gets the kapar from it. In this case we just saw that. Not the purchaser but the guy that gets the kapara. So let's go back to our case. We have an inheritor. He's able to able to do tomorrow. Wait a minute. If he doesn't get a kapar, I can do tomorrow. So it says, and then we'll just finish up. This is a super interesting. That is if a grandfather who's a Yeah. A guy has a lot of tuma. Truma. I'm talking I just mixed it up. A guy's a lot of truma. What's Truma? Has a lot of fruit and it's worth a lot of money. This fruit could be millions of dollars that goes to the cayen. There's a trick he could do. You could manipulate the guy that's giving the million dollar truma, right? A guy owns a tremendous orchard or something. Yeah. He he imports exports fruit to all over the world. He has to take 10 has to take 2% give it to the coin. that could be worth a million dollars. I know the guy. I'm a Isro I'm Isro. I could go to the guy and say, "Listen, here's $10,000. Give the million dollar truma to my grandchild. My grandchild is a kay cuz my son-in-law is a kayan." Not in real life. But let's just say that's called tyano. I could because I could ask somebody to give the the truma to a certain person and I could benefit a certain amount of money from it. Who gets that benefit? Again, here's a who's doing the trauma for his friend. He knows his friend can afford it. He gets the benefit. the zadei that's paying money that the truma should go to a certain person he'll have to give the money to the guy to the friend that's doing the chuma not the owner of the fruit okay says a very interesting thing here the real kaparo you don't get over here you get like a secondary kapara like a a weaker kapara now in lus you have to understand that what does it mean either it's either it's it's like saying that a woman is she's a half in the mat. There's no such thing. Either you're completely in the mat or not. You can't be [Music] either you get a kapar you don't get. Okay. But the gumar says the main kapara the main kapara you don't get from this just what you get a little bit. So what does it say over here in terms of since a yish doesn't get a real kapar doesn't get the full kapara. So he's not considered a partner here. So when it comes to mka, him and his brother don't ruin it. It's not like there's two partners giving a mkah because he can't be a partner when you give mkah. They're not partners. Why? Because they're not getting the full kap in terms of making. They have enough kapara, a little tiny bit of kapar, whatever that means that they could do tomorrow. They're not partners, but they have enough invested over here that they could ruin and make. That's what says next. Hebrew the the started off if a person brings a carbon and the and had the wrong intent. He thought of instead of saying this is carbon he sayslam whatever it is the question is does the does the carbon accomplish a temporary kapara? What does temporary kapar mean? Since the guy is not available to bring a carb in for the next two weeks. Will Hashem punish him in between? Does he have like a a protection for those two weeks? Because he he did bring a carbon. It wasn't great. It was there temporarily. is talking about the whole thing. There's no because if they they did have a kapar if there was a full kapara then why you bring a second one. Okay. So there's no so there's no why why you putting it on. Oh, you didn't understand this. What does that mean explains rashi that even though there's no what happened? I brought an to the B of mdash. I told everybody bring the kaya messed up. He said it's but I had the right intent. I did the right thing. So because I did the right thing, put on the What do you care? Put on the veni. So why do I have to bring a second one so I can get a kap but the reason why the first one goes on is because nobody me the k messed up I didn't mess up I did there was a good when I brought it to the mdash the ruined the but if there's a a full with the first one what do you need a second one for this so now we have a is going to lead. It's going to go for the rest of the day at least. What is dila? Da comes we're going to see it's a gift to Hashem. But it also comes forap if you and also etc. If a person brings an heates this animal he's on the way to the bdash and he sins am he he messes up. He steals a little bit he messes up. Does the work for him or not? Obviously, it works for everything that was prior to him purchasing it and designating it. What about post designation? And that's today's like when you bring and you sin afterwards, it doesn't work for that. Let's say a guy says if you don't learn Shabas you're guaranteed to be Shabas you don't know what you're doing you don't know about you don't know about M you don't know about anything so guy he's a you know he's a very uh he's a serious guy he buys a carbon kas before chabas this is going to be for everything I do by mistake on chabas does it work >> it doesn't work so so ba should also not work why why does This is what's the comparison every you have to bring every one. So maybe it includes so many so it include also a post designation. You lean and you get aap. What? What comes first? You do. What comes right after what happened to that? I thought I thought the kapar is in the four especially the how can you have aap just from I'm flying now because we got to go. What does it mean? You treated the like a nothing like you didn't even do it for keeper. You get a kap and you don't get a kap. What does that mean? It's a what? You get a kapara for all that all that say that you did before you brought before you designated it. But you don't get a kapara on this final one over here that you just messed up that you didn't do because that's an that happened after the designation. So you see for me you don't get a kapar on something after you designated listen to this. This is a beautiful you bring me a ride from think about it for a second. When are you of not doing when you brought a car into English? When are you over? after the it only have we're talking about whether or not there's a kap before the afterm of course you don't get a kapara it's too late >> you have a you have a dead animal so when it comes to we can't even talk about whenever when you that's not our question is not about our right before the not after the if you don't if he didn't he wasn't over yet he could still do so when is he only at the time that the animal's dead and you can't do anymore. That wasn't our question. Of course, after the zeroap, you can't kill an animal, do whatever you do, and then do a say, oh, it should forgive my no. Oh, she says, no, but maybe the is keeper. Maybe the is a little different. Sorry. keeper but they warrante is not happy with it whatever that means this is also we're learning so many new concepts it's hard to comprehend and to to figure it all out one of the I don't know this might be the longest procedure in the Torah is when a person is a matra and he comes to the b mikdash And there's a whole thing where the cayenne takes the blood, puts it on his big thumb and his on his toe thumb and on his ear and then he puts oil on his thumb that has the blood and on his toe that and it's all at the entrance. So what happens if you mess up? You don't put it on his head. If you put the oil on his head, the guy the gets a compar not not. No, no, no. It's the leftover of the mitzvah. It's not the main part of the mitzvah. If you forgot, he gets a kapar. Keeper, but it's as if he didn't get a kapar. Wait a minute. He gets a kapar. Doesn't get a kaparo. My keeper. If asked to bring another carbon completely, you just told me he gets a kapara. So if he gets a kapar, he doesn't have to bring another carbon. So what does it mean? The guy gets a here we see this concept of the person has a forgiveness but he didn't say doesn't he didn't give to the Hashem is not happy with him. Maybe that's the of No, the is simple. He he was putting it on his thumbs and on his ear, but he wasn't yita putting on his head. So what does that mean? So what if you're not yita? That means you have to bring buy a new bottle of oil a lo and just put pour it on his head. And according to you would have to start all over again. What's the question? The question is if a person designates a and then he sins afterwards is the going to work for him or not. So here we have he bring two loaves of bread. That's the mitzvah to bring the two loaves of bread and you bring with it and you bring says what do you mean it goes together with the with the breads why do you need two it comes to forgive on the tum and the mdash remember the kite stepping on a on a mouse I don't have it here but if the kite steps on a mouse on the bd mouse he has to walk out right away if you're talking to walk in. So for that for that it comes to be I don't understand if you already got aap by the you went through the whole all four and you sprinkled the blood on them there's aap why do I have to do it all over again you're not going to believe this what if a messed up and he became in between the two carbanas now what are you asking if so you should bring a carbon every five minutes and the entire year. Forget about forget about every single day. You should bring forget about every day of the year. You should bring a carbon every 10 minutes just in case there's two me between this carbon and that carbon. Soon as I brought this car maybe somebody a dead mouse showed up over there. You're right. you should on the on the money of Israel and he said it's enough just two over here but the problem is what's the right you you designated these two guys yeah these two guys are designated together so when did the tuma happen in the mikdash between the first and the second they were both designated already that means that a carbon works to forgive a sin that happened after the designation. They were already designated says that's not you're right. If like you thought that they were both designated together, great. No, he designated one and an hour later they designated another one for the in between says that makes no sense. Tell me the whole is talking in such a situation. No. is asking me a question from these two animals that are brought by the community. What happens is that the bezdon the ones that are in charge of the community when they purchase these animals they say or when they designate it they say the designation is happening right now but it's only going to be when we want it. In other words, these are designated as serum, but the first one is is is going to be the designation is going to it goes into effect at 12:00. The second one doesn't go into effect until we decide it goes into effect. That will go into effect at 2:00. So, anybody that comes to me in between will get a kapar from the second one. They are they're able to do it because it's basin. They can decide when it goes into effect, when it when it doesn't go into effect. real quickly. We're going to see it tomorrow as well. The way it works in we bring two carbon tots every single day. One in the morning, one in the evening, but we have four six four six sitting in the pen just in case one of them becomes the last day of the year which is the first day of we start this whole thing over the whole pres with the we start bringing new carbonas. What do you do with the four left over? So they just go out. Why? But they were they were designated as carbon. No decides when it becomes a when we bring it in at that moment if it's comes to before that it's zero. You can go ahead and that's a oneita. Why? Because the the the knife is what decides to do it have a week for coming. [Music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.