CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 5 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. So yesterday we learned that you need to have the right intent for the right owner. If Ru brings a carbon, you can't the cannot think that he's bringing a carbon for it ruins it. And we brought this this nazer a nazer the ram that a nazer brings. We Okay, very good. You see by the the ram of the Nazer, you have to have the right intent. Very good. But how do you know other and let's start off with other schlam? This is a schlam that this brings. What about other and if you say it's obvious if the ram you have to have intent so too the other in the world take a look another has to bring three different so he's a thing anytime you have something that's extreme and anytime you have something that's more than usual then you can't learn from it since he has to bring three carbon you can't learn another carbon from it says okay but over there it says by me it says schlamov notice in other says >> shmel is like the improved version of schlamov means his his carbonus the carbon of the nazer it doesn't say his it says a very general lion Seems like the T is talking about all the rabbis. That comes to include all you have to have the right intent as great. So now I went from the ram of the tolim. What about other? What about And if you'll say you shall learn all from just like you have to have the right intent of the owner. So to whatever no I'll tell you is different. Why is more severe than other carbonas? You need three things together that other carbonas don't These three, some of them have one, some have two. But no, no carbon in the world has these three. What are the three things? You need to lean on the animal. You need to pour the wine on them. You have to wave the breast and the thigh. So you can't learn from something that has all these things together. Once again, style. This is the the we're going to learn all these from what? From the all are similar to we just established that you have to have the right intent for the owner. You can't think about another owner. It doesn't you cannot flip. That's you cannot flip into just like we learn so other you'll need all you need in both things can't flip can't flip the owner we just establish you need to tell you you have to have intent so what does that typically tell me if the says you have to have intent and you don't have intent what's going to happen should be possible. Why is it that in our Mishna it says in the Mishna if I can find it here somewhere? Oh, what's the first we learned? If you don't have the right intent, why the says it's possible, it says you have to have intent. If you don't have intent, not this is for the third, fourth time. And today we're going to have it another time or two. It says in the you should you should you should keep the words of your mouth what you made a nether for and then the finishes off as nether what are you talking about didn't we say here I'll just remind you in case you don't remember here it's nether nether means you are whether or not the carbon dies Why you tell me it's which means you don't have to replace that? It's a nether. If you did what you promised, meaning you had the right, the right, it's going to be a nether. If you didn't have the rightavana, continue bringing it. It's not possible. Continue bringing it as ana. You just have to bring another one. Says the okay. So I learned really from the of that you continue bringing it it's still so if the Pik tells me that I continue bringing it then what do I learn from that says that all the animals are equal that all the carbonas are equal to the yeah we learn two things here says the Garman if I'll just say the that if you don't have the You should then you bring the carbon. So if I learn from that you need then why do I need the the whole schlam thing that everything is you see from you keep on going. So then what am I learning from the that says that all the are equal. So very simple. It doesn't say anywhere in the we're talking about that's like a jump says I wouldn't know what we're talking about. I don't know that we're talking about that that we learn from we know that needs and we learn that all the are similar to so you need you have to think about the owner you have to think about the right carbon in all because okay so I just have the like we started the but in that it doesn't say whether or not it's kosher or not it should not be kosher if the tells you to do something and you don't do it so it's not kosher It's a big so the combination of the two we have a that talks about so to speak the of of that puzz teaches us that you need but we have another puzz that tells us that if you don't have that it's still kosher so that's why I need the combination of the two so right over here this is super interesting it says was laying on his stomach and asking questions in the base maj What was this question? And we're going to be dealing with this question for most of today's daff. What's going on with this carbon? We have to understand if this carbon is a good carbon, so why doesn't it bring a kapar to the owner? And if it doesn't bring a kapara to the owner, what's the point of bringing it? So, I think the g says over here, >> whatever. What is your big question? I'll give you another example of something that you bring as a carbon and it does zero for the the original owner. A woman she gives birth. So she brings she has to bring two carbanas. She has to bring which is a bird and she has to bring a sheep as an she died in between the two carbanas. So depends which one she brought first if she brought the katas first. So you're permitted to bring the after she dies. That's is why would you bring the what's the point? She's dead. So you see that even though it's not a real it's not a good you just continue bringing it. But here's the problem. If she brought the first and then she died, could you bring a katus after she dies? >> No. It's one of the five that must die. So what just say what do we just say that if the owner dies and the katus survives the katus is alive can't bring it nothing to do with it put it in a in a room and a later afterwards that's why if she brings the first the katas is not brought but if she brings the katas the katas first what's left in oil you could bring after she dies but they're proving from here they answered there is such a thing as a as a as a carbon that doesn't accomplish a Yet you bring it. It's not. He says great, but doesn't that doesn't answer my question. You're right. That's a woman who didn't bring the I can bring it. So this is his Let's remember this part of the question. Doesn't come Asham comes for a ver and if a person dies you don't bring it. So the actual asham as we're going to see later what we do with it exactly but the actual asham doesn't come. So why is it that if you have a carbon asham and the cayen thought about that this is for shim or this is uh instead of asham why would you continue bringing the asham makes sense cuz anah comes after the death of the owner. So bring it, continue bringing it. But asham that doesn't come after the death of the owner. So if the messes up with intent, what's the point of bringing it? Where do you see that you bring in asham that doesn't come for? So they told him, you're right. Great. What you're what you're saying is a very good point. And that's the the rebel. That's why they're probably not rebel and they they say rebel. I just realized now. Soazar is saying in the Mishna says you're right. Even asham is possible. And you're asking me why asham should continue. It doesn't continue according to you're you're perfect. You're like, so he says one of the famous in a lot of times in you know or you know very very sharp. This is a person they say is a is a real Mishna and you're telling me I'm not talking good. So does I'm asking you why does the Tanakama say that the the asham should continue and pretend nothing happened and the should continue bringing it as a carbon where do we find that a carbon that doesn't come after the death of the owner should continue you know what says you guys are not helping me out let me figure it out myself let me let me figure this out I'll I'll open up I'll I'll come up with a solution on myself by myself I forgot to mention oh even I put it in my gim but I didn't have a sticker and I put a arrow forgot to tell you the whole says rashi didn't know about our answer that we said on about the that's why he asked it's a that you continue just continue this we we said together what >> I don't know I guess not it wasn't so famous and he comes up with [Music] and he has question. You start off with the nether and why you tell me it's like we said and that's what you learn from you start off with the nether try to have the kavana if you don't have the kavana then it flips into but continue bringing it all these people and was sitting around they were saying so we're going to have here in this like three of these all talking aboutish is very unique that they're sitting and discussing has a question. How does it make sense that you cannot bring it as a forgiveness after the death of the owner? And so, so how do you bring it? How do you continue bringing it? Like the death of the owner is like the and the answers. He answers why you see it's a that you could So they asked him they asked what are you learning from the what is it says in the netherava something like a something like that's a nether that's a I'm giving it because not because I did because I want to be I want to do something for for the I want to bring it I want to get close to Hashem maybe that you should continue bringing and it doesn't accomplish what it's supposed to accomplish. But asham that comes from that's not in the lazy clown maybe you shouldn't bring it at all says I don't know how got to this but says you you didn't understand you missed the whole boat does bring the but for something else completely he starts out with a different puzzle that's is the says the word which is an exclusion and it says has a major problem and obstacle you can't continue to that that's what the Mishna says there's two animals twoas that you don't continue with what are the two animals you don't continue with and what else why because the says from this I learned that all other are fine continue. So then why did bring the I don't know how jump to this like who mentioned it at all but even if you don't have even though is very similar to but it's not it's not so this is why brothers maybe it should come to it will even give a kapara to the owner and he won't have to bring another carbon No, it drops down a level. It goes from toa. You continue bringing it, but you must replace it. Okay, bring it. Maybe the is talking about a nether and bring it. No, no, no. Maybe when it's a this is like a real like a like a maybe the asham should not only you should bring it but the guy will get a kapara [Music] he says that's impossible he can't say that asham is going to get a kapara why Listen to this. This is very very simple. What does accomplish? 10%. Let's call it 10%. It doesn't do a lot. It does very little. It doesn't get rid of your ais. We're going to see it gets rid of some of your mitzvah, your when you say but a and nevertheless, what do I say? No, it's not. It's not Miratza. You have to bring another one. So something that does 100% certainly it shouldn't work. If the 10% guy, the guy that does very little and it doesn't work, I have to replace it. So guy that wants to do much more than 10% wants to do 100%. Certainly it shouldn't work. I want to learn that is not that I have to bring another carbon just like a it doesn't it's not the is not on a on a but it's not it's nevertheless it does very little and yet it doesn't even accomplish that very little that works really hard. It does much more. So certainly it shouldn't do the whole job and he didn't change any certainly it does not going to accomplish. You're going to have to replace it. So that's why it goes up there says no don't learn from because you have to burn the entire animal. So the says okay but then I have something else that you don't burn completely called >> it's still >> and it's still and learn from it that it's you you bring wine with and you wave the boom knocks that out because doesn't have those two yet it's so goes in a round in a circle has something special called and the has something special called each one has but the bottom line is there's a common denominator between they areas and without the right intent it's accomplish So I can learn awesome from it here. Let me bring the back up here that what I learned from the and from the the two of them together teach us asham is not I have to bring another carbon but it's not true. Oh, so now we put in here and next step. But they have a is rabbi is not. Okay. So comes and therefore if all all three of these things they're and you have to have the right lashma and if you don't have thema you bring it anyways but it's not meaning you have to bring another one. So too should be in that category. Check this out. You have to bring the 40 breads. Says [Music] prove they don't have the 40 breads. So each one has a has the breads has the has the fire. But bottom line is what's the common denominator? The bottom line is without the it's kosher. You keep on going. You nothing happened. You keep on moving forward. Doesn't come as a as a gift to Hashem. It comes because you have to bring it because you messed up. You did an aerial. You swore falsely when you stole something. Whatever it is, it's for using something. You messed up. All these other ones and this is all voluntary. Oh, typical we come up with this. I'm not going to show you the video again. The that all the are mentioned and they're all similar to the just like and if you do without the right intent you think about instead of continue you have to bring another one yes you go v in life you got to deal with the past sometimes you still got to bring but you go v says the okay but look at this if we look at picture. What do you see in this picture? Katus is on the right is in the left. Why did you decide that all the should be similar to the one on the left? Maybe it should be the one on the right. And what does the mission say on the one about the one on the right? If you mess up on, what do you do? Throw it into the garbage. In other words, burn it. Who told you to to say that old is like you're right. Great question. But it's exist we had in the over there by only it is something you throw in the garbage only you throw in the garbage not all and all the other things another one of them sitting around talking and learning asked a question I don't understand Ash doesn't come after the death of the owner. So over here if the ka messes up and thinks that it's for sh instead of ruin why do you continue bringing it and what was the answer anybody remember the answer does come after the death of the owner how in a form of anah it comes for something else the money goes for anah the original asham does not go in the mbah Okay, very good. Very you didn't accomplish anything because if you want to go that route, there's a case of when somebody designated two animals for one and he brought one. Now what do you do with the other one? You same thing goes to the year of park wait for it to do a flip and fall on its head and then you can redeem it. also and if the owner died in between you can usually if owner dies by you don't do anything with it but in this case when he brought two even you could send it to the park and get for it so that doesn't count you're right okay good you could bring it you could do another here we Oh, here's the puzzle. Okay, this is that if it wasn't get rid of it says here same who says very good. When when are we saying that there's a there's a kaparo? Let's think about it. When's the top top in the four that the guy gets a when he sprinkles the blood on the he gets a kapar. This is after that. It's too too late. He already got a kapar. If you already got a kapar, you can't go retroactive and say you got to get a new kapara. He already did. We're talking about imm the the the the meat onto the that's that's later that's that's called that's something else that's when the T says so cannot be an exclusion that it doesn't work it it worked already it's too late since doesn't have the word who came after you already put the animal parts on But the animal itself, let's say the forgot to put the meat on top of them. It's completely kosher. So why do I need the word who? Why do I need this? Who? What do I learn from the who? Beautiful thing. We saw that this animal first the owner dies. Then we bring this animal to what? To the park. Let me ask you something. What happens when the animals goes into the park? Is he asham or anah? The answer is he flips into even before his injury. You put the aside that it should go graze and get and somebody came over there and it becomes for what? For and we learn only if you put him through that door into the park. But you didn't do it yet. Not who? So this is what we learn from this that once he's a he's a not asham then even if he's without any it's a but it has to be that you put him into that park if he's before going into the park it remains ash and it's not have a wonderful what the second mi shabas in English 9:30 check out the new time 9:30 Hebrew 10:30 have a wonderful day of shabas Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy dot.com.