CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 36 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. [Music] We know that in order to ruin a carbon with your mind, you have to there's one of three thoughts. What are the three thoughts? And what else? from what is here. We're trying to do it's the is not getting it 100%. Let me ask you a question here. I'll throw out a question. Let's say the kayen as he's performing the he's doing and he thinks himself he's going to take the kidney which belongs to the he's going to put the kidney onto the misb in a week from now. Is that pigle? Yes or no? >> No. No. No. No. Yes. >> Be quiet. You >> okay? >> You used up your thing. You say no. >> No. You're all wrong. It's Yes. Of course it's Pagle. Of course it's Pagle. Why? Because the MB is eating it. >> It's eating a steak. And that's what I'm saying. We got to get these things clear. That's why it's too easy. >> Oh, there's two eatings. Not too easy. Two eatings. Yes. Two eatings. There's the eating of a human being that eats a steak. outside the lot of time is also the eating of the misbeh how many things does eat throwing the blood on the misb is a type of eating so if you think about throwing the blood on the msbak next week it's also pigle if you think about putting the kidney on the mak it's also pigle if you do also so what do we have what do we have check this out just very simple on Sunday during the he during this he's thinking himself self that on on a Wednesday he's going to eat this meat that's a thought that he had and then on that day on yo malif he actually takes a bite out of it that's kus without the bite it would also be a problem makes a possible but in order to get the kus to be the mitzvah mameish with all the hurim you have to eat eat from it after you do the now all this could take place in all four avoidas. Here we go. All four during the during the cabala, during the during the he has the same thought. It's one of these. It could take place at one of these four times. What is he thinking? He's thinking either that he's going to eat it himself or that the misb is going to eat it. Like zer is a type of eating of the misb so to speak. The misb eats the blood. The eats the im. It could be just this >> or it could be just that. It could be just but it's that's the And where does this take place? And one of the four stages of says the mish now what if a person thinks to himself as he's performing the I am going to give this carbon to a person who doesn't have a brism a 35-year-old that came out of Russia doesn't have a brisma he's awesome for him to eat this carbon I'm going to give him this carbon to eat does that make the carbon possible that's our Mishna that is our Mishna the answer is remember there's only three things that can make a carb possible having somebody with a eating it is not one of those three things somebody who's is not one of those things putting the blood on if I think I'm going to throw the blood in the wrong place on top instead of the bottom the bottom instead of the top outside inside in the outside these are all terrible things to do but they don't make it possible in the your your thought of doing these all these things I'll list the 10 things cannot make the animal possible the only thing that makes an animal possible is says the one of the 10 things if his is to put the blood in a refrigerator on a shelf that's not eating that's nobody's eating here the refrigerator did not eat the shelf is not eating what's eating to spray it to sprinkle it on him here. Let's say he did this as he'sing he's thinking himself that he's going to put this blood on a shelf at a further time. That's not that's 100% to do but not in your mind. You cannot think about it and make it and ruin it. Not to put it down on a shelf or to take the kidney and put it in the refrigerator on a shelf. Remember this one. It's another one. What? Tomorrow, the next day on Wednesday or to think that I'm going to take the blood and bring it to my house. That's also you're not allowed to take the blood out of the B mikdash. the the action is also to take it out. But if I think the action that doesn't ruin the carbon and says that these first things in the Mishna are problematic if you think about them he brings a ple he holds that even these things are also but the rest of the he doesn't argue on we pass like you can see the gimmel over here that it's only three things that passel a carbon not thinking about putting it on a shelf here we go here's the rest of the list if he thinks himself I'm going I'm going to put it on the ramp of the misb. That's not a place that you put blood or he thinks to himself I'm going to put the blood not I'm going to put it in the red area not on the neon green area that the neon green is the that's the base of the only two walls and a little bit had that and that's the only place you could spray the blood sprinkle the blood [Music] this is the normal way you do it you Take the the blood of let's say a schlamim and where do you pour it? Under the red line. What goes above the red line? the katas. So if you took the katas blood and you put it on the bottom or you took the and put it on the top that is also to do but if you thought about it it's not enough to ruin the carbon means inside the he thought oh instead of me doing of the inside the I'm going to do it outside. Look at this new one that Yoshi did. This is from our new artist bas going to have something beautiful. He's working on it. It's a it's a work in progress. The colors are not 100% there yet. But here just as a a little preview of what we are trying to achieve here. This is you could do it like a drone flight in the misb going into the and you see you see the the caum over there and that's the misb. So instead of putting it on the outside msbak where this one that's the capyus that's the that's the separation the division between the kadashim. Okay. He messed up the placement in his mind in his mind not he didn't cuz had he done this this would be a problem but he's not doing it he's thinking it the thinking himself that he's going to give a person who's to eat from the carbon he's going to allow somebody who's to bring the amim onto the he's going to allow somebody who doesn't have a to eat from He's going to allow somebody doesn't have even though he's Jewish and let's say even though his brothers died from it, it doesn't matter. He himself doesn't have a bris. He's not allowed to be m says the says it says you're not permitted to break the bone of a carbon pes and he thought the as he's shacking the carbon p I'm going to break some bones here. know if he thought that he's going to eat this carbon pes raw not completely broiled or I mean soy how do you say solely roasted that's awesome things in that one video breaking the bone and eating it raw another problem of mixing the kosher blood with not kosher blood blood that let's say had of pigle in it and you mixed it with regular blood all these say all these thoughts that the carbon remains kosher why and the finishes off the only way you could think about a carbon in the wrong way is thinking the first only the to the carbon pes and a carbonas that you think that there are different carbon as the thinking this is not a carbon this is a carbon it's possible you can't do anything about it you don't even continue that and that you think to yourself this is not or whatever you're thinking that ruins it my time why does say there's only three things that could poss Even if you think to put it on a shelf, that's also a that could ruin the animal because actually when it comes to do not leave over the the meat of a carbon there's one by carbon that says the famous do not leave over any of it. You have to finish the carbon pes to the last morsel because of it says why the double if it says carbon we know by carbon you're not allowed to leave any of the meat over past a lot of time and then we have the famous concept that we have many times in our right we don't need a puzzle that you shouldn't leave over physically this is coming to tell us you shouldn't think about leaving it over. Even the thought says will your carbon ask of you telling me it's telling me this is telling me that you shouldn't think about it. He uses it up for something completely different. And once he uses it for something different, he doesn't have another he doesn't have a lim to teach me that you can't think about it. Here we're learning another today. Carbon is what what kind of category is it? Kachchum. Kachchalum. >> Callum. Oh, everybody knows it's the lighter type. How many days do you eat a kachum callum usually? >> One night, two days. >> No. >> In general, >> but there's a that says that that is one day, one night. So it says in a lot of words here should say what is this here we go very simple just Yoshi did a nice thing here the words that we're learning is of from the word basar we're going to learn that anything let's say you lost your carbon so you have to bring another carbon and then you find the original there's a tag on it and the guy brings it to you or the carpent has a baby or somebody did it. All those things one day, one night comes to teach us nothing to do with the other. So one day, one night you bring a carbon the brings three types of carbonas all one day, one night. And from the word carbon we learn that the breads of the carbon also one day one night. How do I know that if it was lost and you had to bring or it had a baby or somebody said this should be instead of it which is this is the but you can only eat the second one also only for one day one night how do I know that which is similar to how do you know it's only one day one night one of the three is that's where he he he cooks his hair under they cut the hair. They put it in the fire on the peso one of the five that you should bring when you go up to the ones. It's not just the carbon. How do you know the bread's also one day one night [Music] take this and tell me they don't even think about he already used like like the first says how come over here it says [Music] there's because of the different language I could also learn that isert start to think about putting it on a shelf. One of the first things in the Mishna is to take the blood out of the first line in the Mishna. Take the blood outside which said also parcels the carbon. Where did he get it from? Where's the P for that? Then another question. It seems like is talking from logic, not that he has a real why don't you admit to me that from logic that if you put it on a shelf, if you put it on a shelf, it's possible. So too, your thought to do something like that is possible. You see, he was using logic, not a possle. In fact, you're right. Yehuda is only using he's using common sense logic. He did not learn it from a puzzle. He ask me how does he know that these three things are carbon? Because logically if they if it actually ruins the carbon by doing it so thinking about it would also ruin it. The question is then why not the rest of the things in the Mishna? And then the Gimar is going to go through the whole list and show you one by one why this logic does not apply to the rest of the Mishna says why all of a sudden the picked these three things from logic to put the later a thought of bringing the blood outside but to and putting the blood on the top and the bottom and all these things he doesn't he doesn't argue. So let's go through it. Which one? Let's say the the thought that he's going to break the bones of the carbon and or to eat it raw. Let's say somebody eats a whole carbon then he breaks the bone of the car afterwards. It's not going to become puzzle retroactively. If he thought that somebody who's to is going to eat it or be mackerel let's say somebody to put the on it doesn't become the the so therefore if you think about it it's also not going to make it possible he thought that someone without a bris is going to be mid eat it what if somebody that doesn't have a bris ate your carbon so so retroactive the carbon is not going to be good so certainly if you think about it it's okay and Another is kam. Do I have the power to make somebody else eat it? How could I think that somebody without a bris is going to eat it? It's not in my hands. That's his option to decide if he wants to eat it or not. So what about we learned that pingle could be that I'm I'm going to say that the dog is going to eat it cuz it's eating. Is it in my hand to force the dog to chew it? So for that says that when it comes to it doesn't have to be but in other things in other like that is not that you can okay we continue with the one of the things was that he think himself that I'm going to make a mixture of blood that's possible one blood cannot it's so it's for even though you have bad blood in there but some of it is good. You could do with it instead of if he thought to himself he's going to put the blood instead of on top on the bottom instead of on the bottom for the put on the top. It's kosher that. So if you think that you're not ruining the carbon why it's actually a good but he should argue what if he thought about this case the the case of instead of putting it inside the he puts it outside or instead of putting on the outside he puts it inside the it's they say it's really on the second case instead of putting it on the outside he puts it inside over there. Doesn't the doesn't he agree that it's possible that we learned in order for the people to be you have to think that you're going to put it on a place in a place that has the three things that you could throw the blood there, they could bring the imam there, you could put the meat there. There's one place in the world that you cannot do two out of the three and that is inside the therefore if my thought is to do to perform inside the it doesn't work it's not a good pigle why because I don't have those three things I need three conditions and since physically I can't ever put a piece of meat inside the and burn it so my thought cannot go there either asking does he does he even believe in the Three that you have to have the three conditions where do you the side of the mdash of >> that everybody knows but people everybody's getting confused there says in the a blemish called what's called If you in the in the south side of the Okay. So you see that even bringing the blood inside the inside the uh makes it possible and Rashi says it's talking about thinking that I'm going to bring the blood into the not bringing it thinking it. So now you're telling me he doesn't believe that you need three things. You just prove to me that you don't that you could think about bringing it into the a second ago. He said you need three conditions. But wait a minute, he does hold you need three conditions. Or maybe if you bring this the blood of the inside the it's not a problem if you do it on purpose. It's possible. We explain the bisher when he did inside says if you physically bring the blood in it depends in law. You literally have to do says very very good. How can you think about bringing blood into the and it should be puzzle even if you physically brought the blood into it's not possible unless you physically did a so thinking about it is not going to ruin it. Of course it's says okay so we have a problem on the one hand we see that does not agree that you need three conditions on the other hand he said he does so therefore we have to conclude the two didn't once said this way one say that way they didn't know what said exactly oh really say that if you the animal on the south side of the of the If you put a see that he doesn't say it's such a bad thing says you're right on the one hand he says it's not a bad thing to the on the other hand he says it's a terrible thing to shut them two they said different things here's another I think Everybody knows what if somebody thinks to himself that he's going to eat this carbon as he's shingling the carbon. I'm going to eat this carbon in Bamesh. I'm going to eat this in New York. Obviously, you can't eat a carbon in New York and you can't eat a carbon. Has to be either or in you can never eat a carbon in Bamesh. What is that called? And a second later, he thinks himself I'm going to eat it also in one month from now. And then after this and everything, he takes a bite out of it. Does he get carus? >> No. Why? Because he had two makovas combined. You can't have it has to be a pure of just let me ask you another question. What if I take one of the cases of the Mishna? I I I thought to myself, I'm going to take this piece of meat and I'm going to put it in the refrigerator for a month. The Mishna said that doesn't pass a carbon. It doesn't pass a little carbon. I thought it and then right after that thought I thought to myself I'm going to eat it in a month from now a thought of pigle does the first thought of putting it on a shelf which the Mishna says is doesn't ruin the carbon does that make the second thought a second thought or I don't consider the first thought at all and have a pure thought of pagle what do you guys say >> what it's a pure one what do you says if he had a thought that he's going to put it on a shelf which we said in the Mishna is not a problem but according to is very problematic. So even according to Yehuda, if I had a thought that I'm going to put it on a shelf and it makes the carbon ple I could still go ahead and think that it's peagle and I'll be over and I'll get carus this tremendous and I'll prove it to you. Here's one of these cases that Rava was having a really bad day. They struck him down three times in a row. Here's time number one. First strike one is I'll prove it to you that what that if you have a thought to leave it on the shelf and then you have a second thought to eat it outside of the a lot of time that the second thought is a good thought of pigle and you get cars for that anytime a person thinks about pigle before the it's nothing but once the comes So Rashi explains, in other words, every single time that there's a thought of pigle, you have to leave it. You have to put it on a shelf first. What are you thinking? You're thinking that in three days from now, you're going to eat it. And where was it for 3 days? It was on a shelf. So in other words, you had a thought to leave it on a shelf and then you had a thought to eat it afterwards. So it's a double thought yet it's a real thought. It's only one. We only consider one thought. It's a great It's not a at all. Your thought is to eat it in 3 days from now and 7 days from now your son's breast. Okay, in order to get there, you have to leave it on a shelf, but it's it's the thought of eating it in in a week from now. Over here, you're thinking about two seven things. I'm going to leave it on a shelf. And then you're saying, I'm going to eat it outside of time. It's two different things. Lato we learned that if you're thinking to put the blood on top of the red line instead of below the red line if you think to throw the blood right away this is cauter. So therefore this animal you thought about this thought of putting the blood in the wrong place since the thought is a kosher thought. So ma what happens if it's a kosher thought then the thought of pigle is a perfect thought and you get cars for it there's no second thought that was a puzzle thought it's a kosher thought however if you think I'm going to leave the blood on a shelf ple that makes it poss over here says that there's no once you have a thought of that's a bad thought and it ruins the thought of pigle but wait a minute said that the thought of is not a bad thought and the thought of pagle takes effect and you get cars for it says by cars that would be a bomb If a person thought himself, who's going to eat it? Somebody who's told me when? Tomorrow. Tomorrow is what? Tomorrow's pigle. But the person eating it is not right to eat it. This is this is real pigle. I'll prove it to you. You're not allowed to eat the meat of a carbon before you do. You didn't finish yet. yet even though you can't eat it then you still have the right to ruin it with your thought. So you see, you don't have to be able to eat it in order to have a bad thought. Says, "I'm telling you is having a bad day here. You're wrong. Over there, you're right. You're you can't eat it now. But if you do, you could eat it. You have an ability to make it. But over here, the guy whose can never eat it as as a had a beautiful saying. of the meat of a carbon pes which I'm not going to show you the video again. I'll just show you the picture. This this video it wasn't ready. It wasn't done well. It wasn't roasted raw. Now is like this. Somebody who's to he's only if he eats a carbon that's it has to be a piece of meat that somebody who's t could eat >> for a tar. If he eats a piece of meat that's not not now the over here is that's considered before it got cooked. Why? Because means when you go through the four you did. It's not cooked. It's still considered for cuz you went through the process of the Yes, you're right. Right now you can't eat it. Why? Because it's not roasted. But still consider from the 40 breads that you do when you when you want to say you want say you have to give four of them to the and you didn't do your to the yet if somebody who's tummy eats it and I'll prove it to you. What? >> I said no, you didn't say the the kidneys of the if he eats it. Now, you're not allowed to eat the kidney that goes in. So you see that something that's to eat and somebody eats it is to eat and you still even to eat this. Why? Because it's not cooked. Nevertheless, third time in a row that they strike down over there. You could eat. Who eats it? Eats it. You can't eat it. But over here, there's nothing you can do with this meat that wasn't roasted. The same thing basically says you could put on his merit this of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.