CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 30 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Here [Music] we go. We could just go back a couple of lines from the end of the Mishna. You go to the Mishna on the end of and you go down the mission. It's a long Mishna that we said it was pretty simple things that concepts that we're familiar with. And it says Omarud by me. It's eight lines from the bottom of the DAL. This is the rule. We're actually going to talk about there's a rule. When you have a rule, there has to be at least two things in the rule. Has to come to include something else. Says man. So all is saying depends. We're talking about somebody that had uh more than one thought in his mind. So we're talking about pigle. Pagle is when a person thinks in his mind as he's performing the mdash, he thinks that he's going to eat this animal in a year from now. He thinks he's going to eat it past the permitted time. So if you're allowed to eat this animal for 2 days, he thinks in his mind he's going to eat it 3 4 days from now. And then he goes ahead and eats it here. It gets a little people have a little bit of a hard time here. He eats it. When does he eat it? anytime after the if he didn't eat it we saw according to one of says if a person had two thoughts it depends which thought came first did he have the thought of or the thought of we didn't discuss mak it's the same idea he thinks in his mind that he's going to eat this carbon outside of outside of the base of mid if it's a carbon he can only eat in the base of mid he thinks himself he's going to eat it in If it's a carbon that he could eat in cuz it's so he thinks himself he's going to eat it in that's never gets cars. So says if you allow the of time to catch on because you did it first then it's cars. But if the first makava was the lesser one that you're going to eat it outside of your chalim and only afterwards you had a thought of pigle but what does it mean you had a thought afterwards? What's afterwards? A minute later, two hours later maybe it means in a different you had one by and then the second one you had by or maybe it's within the same thing. It's one after another. Boom. Boom. What is it? So let's skip to the where it says we're talking about that he had one thought of I'm going to eat it outside the time by let's say and then by this he had another that is he's going to eat it outside the place and that says that you get carus why because you allowed the in between there's two different avoidance One was the cabala, one was the during the cabal, you had a perfect thought of I'm going to eat it outside the lot of time and you let it it grabbed. So that's it for that moment it grabbed. So now 5 20 minutes later you uh you went and you did and during that you thought okay I'm going to eat it outside of your it's not it's not good enough to undo the you had before the thought that you had before. But if it's during one performance of you you were receiving the blood and in second number one you thought to yourself I am going to eat this outside of time and then 10 seconds later as the blood is flying into your cle say oh and also I'm going to eat it outside of your that's a combination of two different thoughts and what happens when you have a combination of two different thoughts during pagle it doesn't work has to be pure to be one thought only not two thoughts So according to if it happened during one it doesn't matter how far apart within that let's say the let's say took him he's a really disgusting person he or he's old and he has a really rusty knife and he's shafting slow it's a two minute it doesn't matter it's within that two minutes he had one of minute number one another minute number two it's a mixture of two different thoughts Then it's not a real pigle. You don't get cars for that. Pagles by itself. One thought by itself. And this is going I really should have done maybe Gary could do for me. I like to do those, you know, over here. It's the mus called you should grab on to the first thing that comes out of the guy's mouth. We don't really care. We're not going to ask him any questions. We don't we we're not concerned with what he thought and what he's going to tell us later. We're concerned about what is normal. When a person says something, he says or thinks something. In this case, he thinks slash he says it even with his mouth. He says, "I'm going to eat it outside the lot of time." Boom. We that that's the one that goes. Let's let us pay particular uh uh focus attention to that lion. What he said afterwards is the lush and sheni. I don't care about I care about says even if it's one one during he had two thoughts we go with the first one now is a classic thing this whole long Mishna it's actually a very long Mishna because this is the tail end our Mishna that we see here B we already learned is the safe of the Mishna that we had earlier it's a long Mishna but don't we want to be consistent in the Mishna don't we want to be if the beginning of the Mishna is talking about the guy had thoughts during two. So then the end is also two. So no, we're not so concerned. So the says the case that he when he did and then he did the said two different so it makes a lot of sense. Now we're talking about two different that's what says matches the ratio matches the beginning of the which I'm not so bothered by the was bothered by it so the knows better the ratio is talking about two different well the ra is talking about one kazay and then the is talking about a half a kazay there's a lot of different cases in the mish no for some reason let's be consistent the ra is talking about because maybe if you're not explaining oh that's If the mission is not going to explain itself, so once I know that we're talking about two, so the whole the rest of the mission must be talking about the same case. Otherwise, it's going to explain it. Maybe that's okay. We're talking about not in Yes, you could say, but we learned in the number of I pointed it out. You just read it. This is the rule of cars. If the pagle came before the then it works then you get cars because we're talking about one according to according to it's only in two accord either one two doesn't matter. So I have room in my rule. My rule is one or two. That's why I have to say it comes to include even one but says it can't be talking about one. It's two separate. So what's this big rule that you're telling me? You saying great. It's not a rule. You're right. It's not awesome. We know. Everybody knows. Hopefully the whole knows what is. He's walking with three animals. He has a and aim and he sees this beautiful atom. He says, "You know what? That beautiful atom should be both an guy. You can't have two two coronets in one. They're contradiction goes in and you burn it completely. Asham is something you could eat." No connection. But that's what he said. Now, there's different ways he could say it. It's a little bit of what we're going to be discussing. Not a little bit, a lot of bit of what we're discussing today. how he said it and what did he mean? Look at look at what is lash. He says this giant beautiful fat animal is a he says two times the word. What he could have said is no no. He says now I could explain it that he he uh he he messed up. He realized immediately he messed up. He says, "No, no, no." In his mind, the no one knows his mind. He repeats the whole thing. Why do you have to say another word? >> He could have just said, if he really meant to be crazy and to make one animal two, he should have just said that's not what he said. He said, maybe without a pause, with a pause, doesn't matter. But he said the word twice. We go with the first. What what do we call that? We grab the what if the first thing that came in his mouth was he said a second later. No, we go with the first one. Now I want you to pay attention here because the is going to say doesn't argue with and immediately the shuts it down. What do you mean they argue here? This is right over here. So remember it. If if he really wanted to to make both of them he wanted to make that one giant this guy right here on the screen he wanted to make him and what is he supposed to do he's not the how how is he supposed to say it should be both so he said that's what he wanted to do I raised oh so in other words I say what he's saying is I say that it should Both both of them should be it should be both. So we have to remember this cuz we're going to this is going to come up two three times maybe three four times even. We might not even mention it one or two. But let's say it now. What happens when it's both? What? Okay. So it's both. Now what? What do you do? Huh? What do you do? It's both. Now what? You're not going to bring as you're not going to bring because what do you do in this case? You take the money and you divide it halflim. Okay, this is an addition to that video. In other words, first you make sure it gets a boo boo, a mum, a real mum, broken leg. Then you sell the brokenlegged animal carbon and whatever money you got 100 bucks, 50 goes to 50 goes to why? Because it's both. It's a great okay so we're going to see that three times today. It's not important to the I'm just telling you what what happened. But says continues. If he said I want this to be I think everybody knows the the answer to this question. He said I want to be then he took a nap. He paused and then he said he made a nice pause over there. He stopped. So of course the first one goes okay. So does he argue with absolutely saying something completely different what if he removes that word yeah I think we had I didn't even show this on Friday but I mean it's not a big deal. The first one was in other words he says the word twice. Now we're asking what if he says okay he just took out the word this is a lot what a lot more likely he you're serious about making this one animal two two different things [Music] now another question maybe you don't need the lid over there the point is he's literally dividing it he himself is the division. This last case is going to say that he he he didn't there's no retraction here. He's actually explaining what he wants. He's saying this one giant animal this 200 pounder 100 lb 100 pounds. He's not retracting anything. He's explaining what he wants. And that's why both of them are It's both and even in this case where he says check it out [Music] and you grab the first language and what happens it automatically spreads to the rest of the animal even though he said you say that this certainly There's no because he's saying what about we had in the person he says one is for I'm going to eat it in 3 days from now and one I'm going to eat it in other words he did in one isn't that in the in the one he's doing two things. He's saying one for one he's doing and still he told me that in this everybody agrees that both of them should happen if if you're talking about that when does the happen that's that's another when does when does the occur when is when he starts cutting Unless he goes, let's he has in order for him to chef and he has a very dull knife to go back and forth four times. When did the happen? throughout the entire four times or all the way at the tail end when he got the two seim on him the trachea and the esophagus boom he cut them that moment that's a so we have so if you say it's the last moment then the the two the two the happened simultaneously in the same exact millisecond because the happened in one millisecond so the occurred in one in one millisecond. But you should know a guy when a guy is cutting the it's a long process and therefore as he's cutting the trachea he thinks as he's cutting the esophagus he's saying it's two different sim we're not going to go into The point is it's like a whole thing in itself. Two parts of the for instance is going to bring in a second. I'll give you a guy's walking with the blood from point A to point B. It's 25 ft to get to the every step that he takes is is part of the but it's it's another thought. Thought one, thought two, thought three. It it's a process. It's not a millisecond. It's a whole process. Then I could throw in different especially if it's a whole like he said it's a whole piece. It's a it's a whole esophagus and here's a whole trachea. It's not half of the esophagus and another half of the sophagus. It's this whole sim for this for that. Very nice. But you can't say you're stickle when it comes to to to taking a fistful of of flour because over there there aren't two parts. There's only one part. It's this. That's it. How you going to divide this into two? Says now the says we're not talking about the we're not talking about this part. We're talking about a part that he's not showing in the video. That's the part putting it on. And this goes by itself and the flower goes by itself. So it's two different parts. That's like that's like the that we said before says very good when he spoke when he when he thought about was when he was doing the the flower when he's thinking about was when he's doing the so it's two separate things sinners or a guy goes into and he can't afford a regular car and he can't even afford a bird so he say you know bring 25 cents of flour over there there's Remember saidar and Rashi explains we don't care about your hashem said it has to be a terrible like a ugly carbon without any oil without any frankincense nothing plain flour so over there how you going to say there's two parts there's no two it's only one part flour you're right and there's over there no is over there and comes you know what maybe there's over there please see Because as he's walking with it in the each each one is another when it comes to when a person says he talks about one animal he says half and half there's no everybody agrees that he meant to to to split it up that even in a case He said holds like is still going with that what it's not we learned now of course depending what comes first if his mind comes first so his mind goes when you really want to look into it. So I pointed out before we have they say straight out it's I love they argue what they argue they don't argue what they don't argue meaning that they both agree that you don't say twice a second ago we said that mayor you say no they both agree there's no twice when a person says I want this to to apply itself. I want it to be and then and he says and afterwards I want this to be and afterwards it should be because he said it first should be this and then it should be that. So the first thing is is is what what applies itself. But if he says he makes a stipulation, he makes a condition, he makes the only way I want to work is if so I'm sorry we're talking about an animal here I the only way I want this animal to be a is if it's so then both then it becomes both it becomes and what do you do land then you take the money and You put it in the pushka. You put half says when he says the double here, if you want to see the top one, he says the the lion that seems like he's saying two different things. He should have said this the middle line. He should have taken out the word and he didn't do that. Obviously, he's retracting. He middle in middle of a sentence. Oh, yeah. No, not he couldn't have said this the middle line over there. He's thinking himself, how could I say that? That would mean 50/50. Each one this animal should be 50. No, I don't want 50/50. I want 100% 100%. Whatever that means in his mind, he wanted it to be 100% 100%. And what do you do? He actually and you divide the money who I say that they do argue. In other words, even when a person says the middle line is going to hold I go with the and I ignore the here's a it it's just a it's a funy if you but you got to pay attention it's it's it's it's really interesting like you'll see what I'm talking about in a second. Does anybody here inv I'm on a trip to I need to know if you what do you say? So explains [Music] maybe the mission is talking about but when it says now the two thoughts go together and what happens when they go together is it pigle or not pigle this is a trick question >> huh >> why not >> because you have to have a clear pure makava and when you mix two makavas together it ruins it it's not real pickle it heavy ple but not you don't get cars perhaps no it's a number two he breaks it down as two separate thoughts and what do you do when two separate thoughts very good holding if the which is more likely that's one thing he breaks it down to two so certainly if there's no v it's completely And therefore twice and whatever he said first should go. Oh, here it gets super interesting. You need this chart like you got to flow with me. 1 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 1. Okay, we're going to do it slow though. Well, slow as we can do before the Israelis start coming in here. Ley asks Rebi. Reb is the one that authored the Mishna. Now he could ask him whatever he wants. What did you write in the Mishna? What's this question? What number did we just say? Three. You said the word once. It's both. Means means that's number three. What's that? He asks Rebi. Now, why didn't he ask Rebi? Any other question? That's the of the he had the opportunity in front of Rebi the aren't he asking what's what's wow that's a very good question you should know the number three like we kind of anticipated it's a mixture of because he stuck it into one he didn't say he didn't say one boom you're done that's the most obvious but it's a good question he tells him So now Reb's son, he has more access to his father. He says, listen, didn't you teach us in a could be these were even before Rebi? There's a says it says that's number one. all these cases. So tells him, why does the Mishna use case number one? Tell me case number three. I'll tell you why. Because case number one, you could separate. You could say, but not in case number three. That's why you you didn't put case number three in the mission. You you said case otherwise you would have put in it's obvious from the Mishna that case number three it's so I don't understand why Le even asked you he should have just read the Mishna and see that we're talking the mission says kaz and I would it's obvious that just kaz by itself there's no pigle he said he's not he's not upset at him he tells him listen you don't understand I taught you one thing and I taught him something completely different. I taught you one and two. So you can figure out that number three is is part of it's a mixture and there's no buty I only taught him one which one let's go with number one [Music] and he heard raban say that they learned two one and two even he heard them talking about and then he thought to himself the dafa what what what what Revi taught me which is number one is that's the only one he taught but they do and they messed up a little bit they added number two there and it's a mistake and number two would be probably a mixture of just like number three number two is also cuz he said kaz when I say number two and everybody's like on Spotify and they don't see what I'm talking about I feel bad sometimes I'll explain it number two is kazuk okay but was he was confused there. Maybe Revi actually taught them that one and two you could break it up and and he didn't tell me everything. He only told me one. So then just like he he didn't tell me the rest of the the rest of the cases. He only gave me one case. He didn't tell them all the cases and he probably left them case number three and that would be And that would teach us that what that the case number three is of. Now which one did he teach his son? Uh sorry Ley. Which one did he teach? Which one did he teach him? Did he teach him number two? The middle one. And that's considered what? Two separate because he said even if he said above. Now if that's considered two mach what about number one? 100%. Even if he says, which is more likely that it's connected, and he says it's not connected. So, of course, number one, where he doesn't say, he says, it's certainly not connected. That's considered two separate. That's he didn't leave anything out. Of course, is going to hold that's in number one. That's certainly separated. Oh, says obviously he taught his son the first one cuz if he told him the second one it would be obviously what the first one is. They don't first one. Now the question is what did he teach Ley? I'm sorry. Why didn't Ley ask him a different question? >> Why did he ask him number three? What's plain? You should have asked him what's I'm like like said I'm only asking him one question. So let me ask him one question I'll be able to figure all this stuff out from it. And here it goes. If I I can't ask him if I ask him. So it depends what he's what is going to answer me. I have to anticipate the answer. It's cool. I'm telling if I ask him number two, what is he going to answer me? It depends on what he answers me, then I'll know where I won't know. If he tells me that it's mixed in, everything's mixed. It's one. So then if number two is one, then certainly number three where he only says one, everybody agrees with me. That's posh. But the problem is, but what if he says number two is you break it down. Now I'm stuck. I don't know. What the law is number three? If you break down number two, for sure you break down number one. But what about number three? I don't know. So that's not a good question to ask him. Listen to this. Hold on. That's not a good question to ask. I only have one question cuz I don't know what the answer will be. Depending on the answer, if he answers me that it's broken down, number two is broken down, then I don't have a good answer in number three. Oh, brother. Did I skip that? Did I say it? But if he tells me it's broke, number two is broken down. I don't know. Says, so what did he gain? And what did he ask him? He asked him number three. So why is that good enough that question? If he says the number three is broken down, then the whole list is broken down. That's for sure. What if heal if he tells him it's it's mixed? So now he only has an answer for number three and he won't know what to do with number two. And that the gimmar says, listen to this one. Are you Is anybody holding with me here? >> You won't know anything. >> You'll only know three. You won't know two. And certainly not three. Yeah. You won't know anything. Yeah. Says, "Listen to this and then we're basically done." You have to you have to use body language over here. It depends how Rebby answers. says, "What are you talking about? Of course, it's it's mixed makavas." Then then then number two is also mixed makavas. Like what's wrong with you? Why are you asking such a silly question on number three? What if he says, "Oh, that's a good that number three is mix." Then I'll know the number two is not here based on his on his on his on reby's okay if if number two is is a mixture number three is certainly a mixture what are you what are you asking such silly questions so that's why he said I'm going to pick this question and not only going to listen to what he says it's a mix but I'm going to say how he says Does it makes like not the he not going to say that he'll say it with a with a red face for coming. [Music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.