CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 23 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

live from the MDY that his that performs it's not in the we have it in says in the ar is somebody who's a m doesn't believe in a verb is that doesn't have a that means somebody who brothers died he's a shig like he can't help it because his brothers already died during a so he's not going to risk it he doesn't have to risk it nevertheless he can't perform a in the mikdash How do you know that this ruins Okay. So it says that ruins I would think that it means a non-Jew like no it's somebody has a problem with his heart. So why does it say why does he use the stranger? It means that he's he's a stranger to he doesn't he doesn't believe in hem. means a stranger to Hashem. How do you know that if he doesn't have a bris, he passes out? I need both. Somebody that's a m and somebody that has has a physical one because I would say okay if he has he doesn't have a bris. He's he himself is mo he's repulsive but a person who his body is fine just his mind is messed up so I would think that somebody like that could perform that if he performs that it doesn't ruin it that it ruins it and if I talk about just the it makes a lot of sense look his heart is in the wrong place he's not he doesn't have the we know everything's about everything's about. We said this already. So it makes a lot of sense that a aer who doesn't have his heart in the right place. He's not thinking that he's bringing a carb into he's out his but somebody that doesn't have bris. He wants to get a bismillah. What should he do that his two brothers died? his brand new. So there's a onf that tells us who Zikni are. He doesn't really tell us, but he says that are and if they're could argue, they could argue another. And then he says perhaps they're okay the elders of the south. So it goes like this. First of all, we all know this concept called tumor. That's kind of number one and that is that when most of Israel 51% of Israel is to and they can't bring a carbon let's say carbon let's talk about a carbon p they are they can't bring a carbon p so the md perform and bring the carbon pes there's another and that is what if most of the are good but the khan went to their rabbis And 51% of them are that's another type of okay now when do we say when or the went to what about if they didn't go to what if they touched the dead mouse they all touched the dead mouse 51% there's a whole m of mice and they all touch mice dead mice Then what? So zikn say a fascinating thing. We don't really hold like them. Nevertheless, they say here when the Mishna says that somebody whose t cannot perform that mikdash it's not talking about somebody whose t through touching a dead person and going to a funeral. That would be okay. That kind of a is not a problem. Why? Because there's a concept called since if 51% of Israel went to we let it slide they could bring the carbon today. So if only one person went to a funeral the himself went to a funeral and he messed up and he forgot and he performed a so we're going to let it slide because in the family of going to a funeral we see that a cayenne is okay. Why? When of go to a funeral it's okay. So if one k went to a funeral and he performed it's also okay. But if we're talking about a sher there's no such there's no such a heter of 51% of cholesterol going to touching a sher. So if there's no heter for to perform the oner so there's no if performs by mistake after stepping on a dead mouse. If he performs that, we're not going to let it slide because in the family of that doesn't exist. Yeah, understood. Simple enough. So says what the Mishna says that is possible is no good. He's talking about if he touched a dead person, which is in Hebrew, there's a good line. I don't know how to say it in English. The opposite on the opposite like it's counterintuitive in English. Oh, that's even better maybe than a counterintuitive. If you touch a very severe tuma, like a dead person, then we're going to let it slide. If you touch a little mouse, we're not going to let it slide. Why is a dead person more to more severe than how do we know it's more severe than a sharet? >> But why? What's the what's the logic behind it? >> So the gumar tells us what the logic is. Let's see because think about it. How long are you to when you go to how long do you remain to seven days and you have to do a whole purification system you have to get sprinkled by the paradum twice by shar how long are you by shar that day that's it only that day. So Aram is talking about a who touched a dead mouse because if you touch a dead person say you're fine we're going to let it slide since there's a concept of that if the a big a large amount of the majority of they are you could bring the carbon so we'll say that a person touched a dead person dead yeah if a touch a dead person and he performed it's going to be okay. But what time is it? It's 17 minutes in. But what time is it? Because of the Israelis. I have to think about that. What? Oh, so we have another we have another 30 minutes. Okay. So a by touching a dead he should for sure be able to perform if he if he did going to let it slide. Why? Because it's much worse than he let it slide. So certainly it's what's the when a person touches a dead person he's the dead person is the it's the top top level of to nothing is more than that. So he has to go through a process of seven days of tum and on the third and the seventh day gets sprinkled. Nevertheless, you can bring a carbon sabore when the tab brings carbonas if they're all tom mace you could bring it. We let it slide between. So somebody who's from that does not require to get sprinkled on the third and seventh day certainly it should work says the another you can't make such a why a mapper and a mscapper what's a mscapper mscapper is somebody that gets the kapar who's that the person that owns the carbon he brings the carbon needs to call the mscapper what's a mapper the person performing the otherwise known as a so you have to learn the from the isim or the owners of the kurbanus they have to be the same they're mentioned in the same it's a heck you learn one from the other that what just like the person who gets the kaparo he only gets the kaparo when he's if he's through to a dead person, not tummy through a sherz. And we're going to explain why. You hear this? If somebody is tummy from a sher, he cannot you don't you don't have any kind of header to do a carbon for him. Why? Let's we could go through it now and go through it again because there's no need to there's zero need to. Why? Think about it. How long is a person tame if he touches a sher just that day? So let's say he touches a shar at 12:00 in the afternoon. He jumps into the mikvah at 12:01 and he becomes t what time at. So let's say he has to bring a carbon pes and it's pes he touched the sher by mistake he's careful the whole year punk that day that he has to eat the carbon pes he touches the sher what does he do he gives his carbon to his neighbor he says go bring this to the m meanwhile he jumps into the mikvah at 12:00 at 12:01 he's already called a and at night when it's time to eat the carbon pes he's ready to go so why should I make a to to allow him to eat the carbon when I don't need to make a he could eat it anyway there is no concept of when it comes to but if he touched the dead person and and and most of went tof and they all touched the arn as was going by and they're they're 51% of kai Israel and now what are they going to do 51% of krail is going to wait for for pes sheni they can't do So we say they could all bring the carbon even though they're on day one of their so he says the the could only bring a carbon when he's sever of mace not if he's coming from so too that's what we're talking about right now the who's performing. It only works. It only works when the touch the dead person then we'll let it slide. We're not going to let it slide. if he touches a sher. So if you think about it, uh somebody who touched a dead person and he's on his seventh day, in other words, that night he's going to be tar, he's exactly on the same same level as somebody touch the sher. Yeah. He doesn't need to come on to the special of on his final day. that night anyway he's going to be eating the carbon pes on his own cuz the sun went down says mi so this is I we already discussed this so this is not this is simple for us what do they hold ain't to make if somebody touch a dead rat there's two ways to look at it he cannot you cannot check a carbon pes for him why because right now he's Tommy sherets we don't hold that I already explained that we hold that you I'll prove to you that they don't hold that why because then if touched this dead rat then why can't we do why can't the perform if a single person cannot you cannot check the carbon for him right now then if 51% of me from that we would do it how come we don't do it must be that we hold that tumas is different than tumas. Tumas is because anyway the sun is gonna go down. You're gonna be able to you're gonna be on your own. There's no need for me to make a head for the to do to perform that for you. Why? Cuz I'm going to perform that right now. I'm going to sh your carbon pes even though you're very very but since anyway you're going to be tonight when you're able to eat it then it's a good it's a good So we said this right we learned this. says, "What an interesting he objected. He was upset about this. [Music] I don't understand something. What has more power to push off? The the the is bringing his carbon, whoever it is that's bringing his carbon or the the owner of the carbon has more power than a kayen. Why? Because a individual could bring his carbon even though he's when he has to he just sends his carbon with the with his friend to the B mdash and they and we it whereas the when he himself is cannot do the mdash. So you see that the person who is get receiving the kapara has more power than the person giving the kapara and therefore what listen to this explains it word for word what I just said when the owner he became a b he touched the rat he's allowed to send this yet a who a coen who became tom with The shar cannot perform that. So, but in a place where the person receiving the touch the dead person there's no way you send your carbon. So, let's say you have a carbon of carbon carbon pes and you cannot bring your carbon to why you went to a funeral. So, what do you do? So, what do you do? It's a trick question. Everybody knows the answer yet nobody could think of the answer. What do you do? you shi you bring the carbon in the second P right now you can't bring it so certainly so if the if the one receiving the kapara can't bring his car into the mikdash when he touches a dead person certainly the kayen shouldn't be able to to to perform that yet say that a m could perform that remember why because if he could be perform so we're going to let it slide also it doesn't make sense he says says not true. A person who went to a funeral could send his his animal to the Bikdash and it'll be no if he like if he like didn't tell people about it or if he didn't know about it and he didn't know that he's and he didn't realize that he touched the thing and then he found out later. We'll let it we'll let it go and not we're not going to make him do it again. Uh sorry let's go back that a person could send his carbon to the md but it says for that purpose that's the best way to do it. Oh, it says in the P that you could only be part of this carbon if you're going to eat from it. Remember, we all remember what do we remember that famous uh thing that the old man with his teeth. If you you can't check the carbon pace of somebody doesn't have teeth even. So, if you're m like we're talking about right here, he's m and he sends his carbon into how he he's like a guy who doesn't have teeth. He can't eat it right now. He can't eat. If your tummy you can't eat, it's how the chef says mitzvah. Yeah, that's only mitzvah. They hold it's a mitzvah. If you want to do the best, you should be able to eat. But if you can't eat, you're also what are you telling me that it doesn't it doesn't pass the carbon? Oh, there's a concept in learned very extensively about it that in order to eat from a you have to be on a list. You go around I'm not going to be able to eat the whole thing. You're not going to be able to. So let's let's partner up. I'll take it this part. You'll take that part. And if you're not a If you're not on the list, no good. So says, "And what if you shed it? you shut the car for somebody that's not on the list. You'll think, okay, we didn't do we're going to see it in a lot. When the toy repeats itself twice, it means this is for real. We're not This is not a joke. It says it twice. Let me see if I have it here. Yeah, here we go. The two words that are the same meaning to teach us. If you're not on the list, do not eat. So just like you only for somebody who's on the list, so too and he so too somebody that could eat it. And if you if you cannot eat, why can't you eat? Because you're m then the then you cannot check for him just like you can't check for somebody that's not on the list. So you cannot for somebody who can't eat it's not a question they don't have this this heckish between and so if you can't eat and for you not the end of the world says even if they don't hold this but I have another I'm going to say when a person becomes he himself the owner of the carbon became from so we're doing the same exact we said before so you all know it we're just adding one word I could send my carbon in the first place without any worries even though I'm shar because tonight I'm going to be completely to eat it yet the same when a coin is from he cannot perform when the touch dead person went to they cannot before we answered oh you could the the hall If he sent the carbon after the fact, it's okay. No, no, no. I'm now sticking in the word. They cannot send it in the first place. Certainly. How do you say that who performs when he went to a funeral? It's okay. We're going to let it slide. No way. Simple logic tells you that it shouldn't be like that. Okay. So, end of that. And now we have a question on what does say that if a by going to a funeral he performs by mistake we're going to let it slide. We have a question. We don't have to understand everything here. We have to understand the next part. We're talking about a nuzzer. We're talking about a carbon pes another is a person who says I'm going to refrain from drinking wine and grapes and at the end of the 30 days or however long he took it upon himself he has to bring carbonas and there's a whole process carbon pes we know what that is sits this is the tits the wears it oh I should have shown that picture from shalom I have to getto the sits the reason why the kangala wears this is to give a kapara for all the problems that they had in the bdas from toma the tum of the blood. But we're talking we're talking about says we're talking about the owner here and it won't give it it doesn't help if somebody's to in his body. What kind of tom are we talking about? If you're talking about just they touch a rat. We said that not only that you could go and and check for him. He's talking about somebody went to and we said that the doesn't help. Here's a question on over here. Seems like you cannot send your carbon and you have to wait for if the the we're not talking about that because if the owner became you're right that is that's like in our who performs after he touched the sheriffs according to apostle actually everybody holds that if the touches is but wait a minute it doesn't really jive with the so here's a very cool a lot of us didn't know about this until tonight so it's there's something called Did anybody hear of no great so we're learning a big means a tum that nobody was aware of before okay there's a dead person that an avalanche covered him once upon a time and people oh here we have We have a video vada. Here we go. So now he became red. Why? Because he just went over a dead person. But here's the thing. Since that dead person is unknown. Nobody ever knew that he's buried there. Only later on years years later when the snow melted, they found the body there. So everything that people did there before it's it's an unknown tuma. So we let it go. All their carbonas the everything we let it go. So, let's see what it says over here. Could it make sense that we're talking about the before? We thought we thought we're talking about the owner and now we're talking about the performing. Wait a minute. How's it go with the that lets it go by? It's only when a dead person is buried under the avalanche. to come to exclude what? What if a dead rat is buried under there? No, it doesn't come to be no. We're talking about that. Oh, so real quickly because the Israelis are coming, but we have to talk about ze for a second. Zea is when a person something comes out of his body and if it only comes out once, it's like he's a balkari. like uh it's a disease that made him that made him hap that made this happen. If it comes out twice he becomes a real zul three times he becomes but he has to bring a ka and he has to wait seven days seven days of tarot. Now three times or two times means once and then there's a break and then another time or on two different days. So what happens if a person has a zea from before a very very long emission a very long zea and it goes all the way after ski is that considered two days or one day the answer is it's considered two days because it's a long zea but what if a guy had a zea during bes mash for 20 seconds during bes mash and now you don't know if it it belongs to the Sunday or the day afterwards Monday so that's a suffix and that's So we're not coming to exclude a coming to exclude a who's performing on a he had a question. He didn't know how to answer it. Does the work here or not? Do you say it's okay or not okay? Based on what you're telling me that's we're talking about the performing that you see from here works. So says of course are going to argue because he holds that this is talking about the owner not the but they hold it's talking about so they argue with each other fine we have a now on what does say that pes when the owner is mace is possible so he says These guys are talking behind me. It says that the that the is how what exactly does it come to forgive? [Music] So this is a tricky thing. I once said it in was going to say it all the time. What does pigle mean? We know pigle to mean when when the coin thinks that he's going to eat the carbon and he's going to perform this outside of its allotted time. But in theory, that's not what it means. In theory, it means outside of the allotted place. So that's what it means. Over here, which means says, you're not going to get a you're not going to get a kapara. And over here, I made a mistake in the Hebrew. I did not prepare well on Friday because of the whole sand Friday. Not a good excuse, but I mamished him pretty well. Noiser over here does not mean noer leaving it over. Noer over here means the same thing that we always call which is thinking about that's what over here means. Oh, so what does it come one minute before sponsor that sits comes to give a kap for tum not for not for not for but for and why because it's once in a while we allow it to slide when the is so that's why we're make on it through the tits my what kind of we talking is talking about the the dead rat history. So what does it mean history? Like we explained there is no way in the world that you ever need a to perform when somebody touched a dead rat. Why? Because you just wait till that night and you become anyway. Obviously talking about a dead person talking about the owner not. So over here you see that you could send the carbon even though you went to your and what are we talking about? Huh? Yeah. It's not Yeah. That that it works with all these things basically. What are we talking about? It certainly doesn't work with why you have to start all over. Everybody knows no becomes tom what's the start all over you're talking about a guy that that has a and he sent his carbon like asked before how answers he did it. So it's not like says it's not we're talking about you ask me but says no what do you mean the the says that and doesn't apply to shar you're 100% right it doesn't apply to shar but the concept applies in the world there is a concept called where by a dead person the seder so we threw it in there and say the exact opposite. Let's just finish this and we're done and we'll be where the Hebrew is. There's a riot on it says what's the it comes to be for the carbon that's but not for the kind talking about is never why because he wait till that night it's the dead person says Not like the what that the he can't perform says no same kind of answer we said before we're not talking about the we're talking and that so therefore it's not a we're talking about nothing to do with everybody agrees about he can't perform that why the price of brings this business and that doesn't apply to sher so it makes more sense that we're talking about a mace No, we're talking about a sheriff. The reason why the Ber brought to the concept exist in raised. Thank you for coming. [Music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.