CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 12 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Says the you did it early in the morning and you had intended it should be let's says it's like doing it two days before P. Therefore it's kosher. It's like what's the difference? It's before the time. So before the time has yesterday, two days ago, a month ago and this is the we're going to be talking about comes up with it's as if you did it in the afternoon, but it's not the afternoon. It's a few hours before on that the is going to start off saying that he holds that the morning of PES is like the afternoon of you could check. you could check all day long for us means in the afternoon says means from the morning in the beginning that's what the holds in the beginning I heard from 72 what's that what's 72 plus one that's the day that they got rid of they they removed I should say they removed who's the replaced what did he testify basically we learned in the mission the first mission of the peric that there's two two that if you you have to toss he comes and he adds one more the also but he says it in a very typical He doesn't say he says anything that could be eaten. You have to bring another one. So what did he add? There's another animal that you can't eat at all. Nobody eats from it. That is the he adds which is very interesting. How did argue in 72? Okay, here we are. I didn't realize this. That took us five minutes basically to get here. Fine. What happened was he came and he brought a carbon early in the morning be 6 hours before he's allowed to say holds that if you the carbon pes in the morning that's the time to you're allowed to in the morning and therefore if you p which means it It becomes puzzle cuz it's still the time anytime that you can check the carbon pes and you have the wrong intent it becomes puzzle you got to throw it out burn it the problem is why does he say it's as if it's as if you in the afternoon it's not as if it's good you just shed it in the morning it's perfect that's the time to it you're right it's just to match the words so we have some symmetry some some rhyming in the it should should be easy to remember The word is not is not the appropriate word really. But I have a great question. So why are they arguing about a side point if he had if he didn't have the right intent? Did I have the right intent? I have a major question in can I p at 10:00 in the morning before says you could and tan says you can't. just a ma a major sh that really belongs in let's say when do you from the afternoon or not and then we're going to go into the word says you're right I need to say the the the question is if they didn't have the right intent not if they had the right intent why if they argue just on the whether you could check the carbon in the morning then I wouldn't know that this is if he had the wrong intent. I would think that in the wrong intent everybody agrees that it's possible why we're going to see this today since later on in the day everybody agrees that you you after after that's the time to shed according to everybody. So it has a little bit you know it has a of in the morning and if you have the wrong intent everybody's going to agree that it's possible even if you hold that you can't in the morning it's still possible if you have the wrong intent for because it's coming up it's about to be in the afternoon no so I'm telling you that this is even with the in the morning now What does mean between the evenings? So just understand why typically means the afternoon. Why? Because the sun starts going down by starts getting darker, starts going down by that's the beginning of the end, you know. That's where it starts >> uh sun setting. Yeah. downhill from >> downhill from there. >> So it's called Bane Harbine between it starts going down. So that's one one evening from and the other evening is when it really gets dark. So it's called between the two evenings. So that's why we understand that means in the afternoon if means in the afternoon and then the says our boss are here when you in the evening. In other words, between the two evenings, between the two evenings, which is the afternoon. You could also learn it between the two nights. Between last night and tonight, what's the dead center between last night and tonight? >> The morning. So, you can start checking it in the morning. Okay. So, now we have to go through all the all the different places that it says and see if that works out. This is this is the should be the official. When do you do one in the morning and one in the afternoon? You're constantly learning. Obviously, you can't check both in the morning. One is in the afternoon, one is in the morning. Oh, sorry. Here's the question. You telling me everybody knows that the second carbon is in the afternoon. So, how can you tell me that you can check the second carbon in the morning? Says the says biker in the beginning. Here you can see the biker. So, one is in the morning. So, the next wording that says cannot mean the morning. It already says morning. >> So, no, it's persistent. You're right. It does say biker. So, maybe one is in the morning. The second one you could go from the morning all the way to the evening, including the afternoon, including the morning. Maybe do one after another in the morning if you want to. Says, "No, it says only one you can do in the morning. The second one, when do you do in B. So obviously B is not the morning. It says one you do in the morning, one you do. Over here it must mean is the afternoon. What about the says in the look at the end of the interesting because we're going to use that what's talking about at the end of this. So, but it does say and we know that they used to light them in towards the evening there's you light the early in the morning. You're right. You can't be lit from the evening. Everybody knows it's the evening. You should give enough oil that should go from the morning from the evening all the way to the morning. It teaches us another here's you shouldn't do with the blood and to do the going to speak about in a second once you light the that's it everything shuts down that's another that we learn from here what about that we just saw here and it says before we know everybody agrees that the is in the second is in the afternoon since it's in the same possible variability. So we have one to the other. We just established that in the evening. So too says it says but also says you can't tell me the evening means morning. You want to say means morning. Okay. It's a interesting shot between the two nights is morning. That's b. But Arab, how you going to explain Arab says? Oh, interesting. We know that we have to bring two carbon tots every day. One in the morning, one in the evening. When the time for the second carbon comes around, then you no longer bring the the carbon P. You have to jump in and do the carbon. If you're late, we're gonna see in a second says both, right? We saw we spoke about before. So it says both that should be pushed off to something. So it comes before the current. So again according to you're allowed to bring a carbon pes right after davening the whole morning evening. So you allow to bring the carbon at 6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, 1:00 comes around. Oh, now it's time. Now it's time. Boom. You stop. We tell everybody, you want to bring your current P, you have to wait now. Now you wait. Now we're going to bring the T comes first. Is there such a thing? I'm allowed to bring it the entire morning. And when the afternoon comes, so all of a sudden we say, "Whoa, whoa, it's the time for the other thing. Put this guy on hold." Where do we see such a thing in? Yes. You have just showed up and you're about to start Musf. You do you do MK. Now we established that these guys or this meaning is not not we we know that you have to go by the by the evening because of different reason but not because why is stuck up he tried As he's saying, he tried to answer when asked a question and he says, look at the wording. How can you compare the 13th of Nissan to the morning of 13th has no connection to PES? You can't bring a current B on the 13th of Nissan. And he says, not even a little bit. Listen to what he says. Rebi the author of the Mishna says but on the 14th of Nissan Pes only part of the day can you bring a carbon pes meaning and he's trying to explain don't tell me that holds you he can bring a carbon pes early in the morning ones rebi himself says you can't he says in only part of the day you could bring the carbon meaning from not in the morning and if you write that according to you can bring the carbon even in the saying should have said the entire day is a day they could bring a car. Here's the says very very important. We'll do this slow. It's very simple. If you bring a carbon pes in the morning, it's possible Why? What's going on here? Let's think about it together. If I bring a carbon pes in the morning, 10:00 in the morning when everybody's burning the I sneak out to the md and I bring my carbon pes what's the according to >> it's going to be possible. Why? Cuz it's not the time yet. So what if so what if I don't bring my carbon pes I say you know what it's 10 o'clock in the morning let me bring my carbon pesa let me make it anah what's the going to be it's possible why because I could bring it in 5 hours from now so it's it's almost there I could smell it it's it's the same day it's it's just a few hours away if I brought it in the morning as a carbon pes what's that it's pos Why? Because it's not the time yet. But even if I brought it as a carbon, it's also possible. Why? Because it's what it's it's almost there. It's a little bit there. Typically means to curse, but everybody explains over means that he went like this like I don't understand what you're talking about. He did something with his hand. Some some motion. We have a situation that we have a 6-hour period in the morning of Pesal where you can only bring the carbon pes after but that whole morning is a time period where a carbon any type of carbon is possible. If you try to bring it as a carbon p it's possible because it's not the time yet. And if you try to bring it as it's possible why cuz it's it's the day of it's so comes out says the says it turns out that every single carbon in the world that was brought that was designated as a carbon p is possible forever. Why? Because we have a concept called D means it was pushed off. So since in this 6 hour period whatever hour period let's call it 6 hours you cannot bring any kind of carbon at all. So the carbon pes that you set aside you you bought you went with your mishb a week before pes and you said oh this is going to be a carbon pes you put a sign on did a carbon pes for the six hours in the morning you can't bring it as a carbon pes if you were able to bring it as another carbon okay so it's not pushed off the misb you brought as a schlam you brought as something else but since it's pushed off completely there's no way you can bring this carbon according to so now it's pushed off from the misb once it's pushed off from the misb you can never bring it back. Even if the reason that it's pushed off goes away now it's I can bring a car and P it's too late. So here you have a 6-hour period that's pushed off the day before I could have brought it as it's not pushed off. I could bring it as another car. You're right. I can't bring it as a carbon p the day before I can bring it as if you hold that you could bring it in the morning according to you could bring it in the morning as but according to there's a problem in the early morning because it's if you if if he decided to buy the carbon in the morning then it's pushed off immediately. It never had a chance to be a carbon. It wasn't a carbon that went off of being a carbon. It never started being carbon which is not as strong as being a carbon being pushed off the average and if you did like every normal Jew at least one day before you set aside a carbon pes near that's the worst it was it was able to be a carbon pes was or orim the day before now you pushed it off completely for six hours you can't bring it at all as anything not even so it's pushed off for good so what's the what's The obvious answer. Okay. So according to you have to designate this animal only after no it could be in the morning. There's no such thing if if you're in that day then it's not considered as it was pushed off. You're in the day of that you could bring it. It means even the night before the night is not a problem. meaning is there's a maybe not everybody's familiar with it. You cannot bring a carbon when it's less than 8 days old. 8 a 6 day old baby you cannot bring as a carbon. So the question is when could you bring it as a carbon? The night before or the morning of only? We have a contradiction in the you could when it's night time you could already put it into the pen and start counting the 10. One, two, three, 10 becomes in other words, you can make it. That's a contradiction. It says in the only seven days, meaning once seven days are over that night, the night of the seventh night, the night before the eighth morning it's okay. But in the other it says only from the meaning the night before it's not not okay it's not the night before you can make it heish the day of you can bring it as a carbon meaning what if I messed up like a regular carbon I have a carbonim and it's a mish carbon and I shed it at night I didn't mess up so much you put it under this b over here if you mess up nothing zero Where are we? We're talking about an animal, a live animal. So, could you push off a live animal or not? There's a whole can you push off live things? Maybe it has to be already over here. The animal is alive. Yes. I have an animal that's owned by two partners. One partner designated his 50% to the B mikdash. Now what just happened? You can't bring an animal that's only 50%ish. You can't bring it as a carbon. So right now it's not royal. It's not it's not it's not available for the so therefore it's pushed off. Now you have 50% that's pushed off. You can't bring it in. So two days later he bought off his partner's 50%. And he made the other the second 50% also. So what's that? It's has because now 100% is but you can't bring it on his back. Why? Because it was pushed off but so what happens over there both of them remain. Okay. But but the second guy the big guy over there with the both have the the larger one cannot be brought as a carbon because why? because it started off not the original guy can't bring his carbon because he's he's pushed off. So the second one also you see from here three simple we're talking about live animals here. So you see a live animal can be pushed off forever. These animals never had a chance for a second. This animal that was in a partnership was never a carbon. The first moment that it was available to be a carbon, we said it's not a carbon. So, so you could push something off all the way from the beginning. It doesn't have to be available for a carbon, not available for carbon. Not available for a cover from the first moment. What happened here? So, we know there's two there's two categories. When an animal is available as a carbon, it is a carbon has inherent. body becomes kadesh. There's another one that's only available for monetary. That's our case. This adult that that had a 50% partnership, a 50/50, and the one partner made his half kadesh, then he makes the other half kesh. What do you do with it? It's now what? You can't bring it into car. What do you do with it? You must sell it. You sell it. So, it has the only thing available is the money, the monetary part of it. And that monetary part you say is is pushed off forever. So you see push off the monetary part if a person eats he eats fat and he brings it he puts aside a carbon what they say I don't know if that's there's a better way to say it he went off the he went off the path so when a person goes off he doesn't believe in the anymore becomes an atheist so that moment he can't bring a carbon anymore if he went to the b not door. They'll tell him uh not today became well that's our case this carbon he set aside a carbon that's because it's was available be a carbon he decided to go off to another story person by mistake ate carbon and he set aside a carbon we could all relate to this beame happens to many of us all of a sudden you lose your mind and when you lose your mind you can't bring a carbon so it's it's pushed off but then he had a once it's pushed off it's pushed off forever so we have two cases here we have the case of a person went off to and a case that became a we need both cases the first one became a m became went off he did his own choice. But when it happens by itself, it's like you're sleeping. How come when you're sleeping is not considered it's you can't bring a car when you're sleeping? The answer is cuz naturally you're going to wake up from this. So over here also you wake up from your you go in and out. You have different periods of time. Sometimes you're crazy, sometimes you're not. It's like and if I would say it over here by the a guy that goes off in his mind, he doesn't have the choice today. I'm going to become normal or not. He could come back anytime he wants. Maybe it's not considered pushing off cuz you have the ability to come back. I need both cases. Same story. A guy ate by mistake. He set aside a carbon and all of a sudden this was mish in your favorite of all time. If if the bezdon decides that today what's then you don't bring a carbon if you ate. Let's say after the peasant says they made a mistake and you go and you eat what's you do not bring a carbon so I ate yesterday and I set aside a carbon and then said it's maybe my carbon should become considered pushed off [Music] is it considered pushed off or not you're not going to believe it says the old man started the from all Three cases. You have the case of a guy that goes off to you have a guy that becomes you have a guy that the said that it's which case talk about the case of the becoming why the other two cases of a guy going off the person changed his mindset changed either he went off or something happened to his brain but the carbon the carbon remained the same over here the bask No carbon today. We had in the 72 who said that is also one of the carbanas that you have to toss out. Why does it say in singular all 72 agreed? There wasn't even it wasn't 69 against three. It was 72. Everybody said the same thing. Where did it say? We already used this this idea of who it you have to have the right intent. So that's the we already had that a few times. Not this one. Who? We had this three times already at least that it says only afterwards. Afterwards it says who? Okay. Says look at the it says it says Victor. Who comes after Victor? Look at this. We have another one. Who? Okay. It says twice. So we learn from the second one. Look, we have two different. Oh, so now we're going to go into the classic that we all were very familiar with from it. It's not as it doesn't have the same as yet. If you have the wrong intent, you think that it's instead of you could toss it out. You have to destroy it. You go around the circle. Each one has a positive and a negative. They have one common denominator. But the bottom line is if you without the right intent, it's possible. says he doesn't like it. Why? Because of what we just said that the two types of two differentes. One is because you didn't bring it. One is to forgive on other people. Ask the nami. Look, check this out. This is galic. It's three words, but we we now we know what it is. We had this yesterday. The garra wanted to learn that ashram should be possible if you don't have the right intent. from says no is not good because you pour the blood above the red line. So oh so it's not above the red line. What's the says no? So so you go around in a circle. What do you do now? >> You learn from both of them that what sorry is that they both so what do over here? Same thing that we did here. Both of them together you can't learn from them. Why? because they both have chorus. But according to Ben, that chorus is not a good answer. Why? Cuz there's two different types of carus. Look what happens. You have to put a line through it. It's no good. So you have to come up with a new. What's a new that they're in? Now that you know that, look at look how beautiful it is. Three words. I don't understand what it means here. lazy. No, you have to go back to last and now you get rid of the so now you should also say that it's another I could go to the original I could say this at the end of the day got it from a mess from generation to gener generation passing all the way to so why does he use and this answers Simon's question throughout a lot of it is just to get us sharp to understand to teach us how to say to teach us how to frag up have a wonderful day [Music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysponsor.com Our sponsor at mdyop.com.