CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 11 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. [Music] Here we are. We're starting from four lines from the bottom of not awesome. If you take the blood and you put it into the which is 200 ft tall the uh carbon becomes possible. >> So you take a katas it's a good katas but somebody puts the blood inside the it automatically turns off the katas. It's gone. It's a goner. Now the question is is it just the katas or it's other kurbonus as well. Perhaps it's in the perhaps it's all or perhaps it's only the now what does the say only the every single carbon how do I know it from the first word of the it says okay allas no no no we're not darishing any The says now we have a third is similar to himself in our Mishna the first Mishna when the Mishna says that if you have the wrong orb you have to destroy the animal it's it's a goner says asham is similar to in all things in this also that if you to put the blood into the it ruins that we had yesterday. The says it's similar and are similar. They're put together in the same so they have the same he just explains his reasoning. We have aish what are they going to do with this? Why do they argue and say no only says it's impossible why to say that if you bring the blood inside the pass the actual is so powerful that all of it goes and if you bring the blood inside the it remains kosher. Not like asham is less than that. Some of it is eaten by the certainly if you bring the blood into the it should remain kosher. No, but has something that that's the opposite of it's a it doesn't forgive. It doesn't you can't get a forgiveness from if somebody brings a so if somebody did a sin certain certain and he can't afford a carbon he brings a bird and if he can't afford the birds he brings a so that if you were to bring some of it inside the it doesn't ruin it so too shouldn't and ruin it. Says first the digresses for a second. Why did the Gumar bring from the there's something much better that's that's more appropriate for our which is the bird that's one bird is one is the bird the bird that if somebody has a little bit more money than a real real barber he'll bring the bird and why is that better? Because it has blood. It's a lot It's a lot more similar than jumping all the way to to to flower that doesn't have blood. Says I couldn't use a bird. We're not sure that if you bring the blood of a bird into the it doesn't ruin the the bird that we weren't sure about. But we were certain that if you bring part of the into the it doesn't ruin the and now the is is saying within the words that go is the is the is the don't you can't bring a from the flower because flower doesn't have any blood. It's not a it's not a carbon but is a carbon and you bring if you bring the blood into the it doesn't ruin it but so you go to which is but it's not a but is also not you go around in a circle each one has a positive each one has a negative just like in real life but the denominator is that they're and if you bring the blood or the it remains kosher I can learn from them the bottom line is I want to learn you need to pay minimum two shekele for the carbon a and the don't have that. So if there's a certain there's a certain minimum that means it's more if it's more I can't learn from the other two literally I have here three of these exact same thing for three different [Music] it says in this I just showed from its blood. But its blood only's blood and notam's blood. It's a me. And says that asham does if you bring the blood of asham into the it ruins it. What is he going to do with the word? Seems like there's a meal only only the if you brought a piece of meat into the that doesn't ruin the or only blood. I agree with it. Everybody agrees that how does he know that? Because it says instead of d. So now I'm learning two. Dama means it only it only the and also the reason why we we said instead of dam is another way to learn and doesn't learn two from one word in this case very similar what's going on here there's two when it comes There's a that's possible. We're going to see that in a second. If you say is no good and asham is good. So now I have a case and therefore I could say that a is like a and like a one is kasher one is ple. But if I say that both and are the same and they are both possible. So, how could I say that a min is like a they don't come out that both both are both possible? But that's not what I'm trying to get to. I'm trying to say that one is kosher and one is possible. So, that works beautifully like because they say is possible and asham is kosher and aka is like a like asham. One is kosher, one is possible. But according to that both and are possible. So what am I saying? A is like a and therefore what they're both puzzled. No, I'm trying to come to the situation where one is kosher and one is let's see inside you'll understand more. I have that's and I have that's when you do that's why the says in a second we'll see the [Music] that that we we compare a what's a it's a made out of flour. We compare it to the that what you bring it for a sin it makes a lot of sense. It's similar to is also brought for a sin. So if you you do and you bring and you have the wrong what happens to the you thought that it's you got to destroy it come if you do you go like this and you think to yourself I'm doing this not for but I'm doing this for you ruined it and and And a dava when a person out of the goodness of his heart wants to bring a gift to Hashem made out of flour. He can't afford an animal. So im she's a poor person. He goes and he asks his wife to make him like a to give some flour and he brings it to Hashem. That's like an if he did the without without the it's kasha. Now I just want to show you this rash. Yeah, we'll show it later. It's not for this. That's great according to that one is one is possible but according to we're both the and are both puzzle if you have the wrong intent. So then what does it mean? What how is the comparing one not right? There's another limo learned. It's not you all know that there's a cle is full of flour. It's a golden cle has the cle you put it into the cle becomes kadesh. Then the client sticks his hand in like this and he folds his fingers three fingers top bottom and whatever is whatever remains in this what does he do with it? >> What does he do with this? Right? He puts it on the but before he puts on the misbeh also but you put in the cliches. So if you don't do you didn't you you're missing one of the four one of the four essential is doing you forgot to do that's so we're going to learn a new according to it's okay why this is learning that it's says says that if you you have a choice. You want to hold the in your hand and go like this to the great just make sure you do with your right hand. Now if he decides to do with the vessel with the don't get confused there if anybody got confused Rashi explains right away you could do it with your left. You don't have to do it with your left like we just learned from this that if you don't do the pass it says says no the main comes to say that that we just said that if you do it if you do with your hand make sure you do it with your right hand if you do with the cle you could use the the left this of of of I I'll get another source and if you don't have the right it's another positive he this is what we had yesterday the word he who is what shows us that you have to have you know what is the same word he [Music] according to what do they do why compared to what do they learn from this? This is one of these I think that's like under the table kind of thing. It goes in still when they ask you on a test. This is where they get you good. What do you learn from learn that this you have to lean your body weight on a just like you do for a What does say that if you take a carbon pes that if you take any carbon or a carbon ple let's see inside the Not only if you take a carbon pes and say that it's aim you ruined it forever you have to destroy it but even if you take aim on you say this ones is a carbon you also ruined it you have to destroy it also says the same thing no they argue if you take other and you have in mind for that's where the is you have a carbon pes that's too old became a old man it's already over a year old you can't use it anymore for carbon pes you take this 2-year-old carbon on you say this should be a carbon peso if you take amen on you say this should That's that's says the same that we just read in the Mishna of that what if you take another not only if you take a carbon pes and say that it's aim on PES not only on P the 6 hour window that we have to p if a guy messes up and he says this is not a current p this is a schlamim what happens take that animal and destroy it says ribbazzar And so says that if you take a schlam the reverse you take aim say this is a carbon pes not only say carbon pes this is aim but even if you say this is a carbon pes destroy it says so now we have these back and forths these it's also the same style that we had before these to prove it and it goes to the bottom of the so if you don't like these You can take a little break now for four minutes. If you take a a carbon pes and you try to the carbon push, what happens? >> Garnished. But if you take other and you try to make it a pes it's becomes that because only ones is a problem itself this is this is the logic that doesn't like so if you take a p and after it's good for so certainly if you take and say that it's a pes It should be kosher says your logic is off because I can take the same logic and use it against you. If I take a carbon, it's not going to be a carbon. I cannot check the carbon. But if I take the carbon on I say it's good listen what's going to come out according to your logic I'm using your logic come out that if oh so certainly on PES where I and it is good so certainly I should be able to take the carbon and make it aim and that everybody knows is not okay on you'll take a current make it go okay you're really going to look at me in the eye and tell me that's the case I'm just using your logic and your logic doesn't work and now the says the interesting thing here and another question he says it has to go it's a two-way street so if in if in the entire year I take other animals other and I take aim and I say it's a pes what happens it's and therefore if I take a pes and I say that it's aim it's kosher so throughout the year onash I can go both directions I can take aim make it a p take a p make both kosher so he's saying on on it should go both ways also to make it possible if I take a p and make it aim It's puzzle. So if I take a schlamim and make it a car, it should also be possible. The two-way street should work both directions in both situations. Again, if during the year I have a two-way street, if I take a schlam and make it a pes, it's okay. And if I take a pes, make it, it's okay. So pes, which we know for a fact that if you take a pes and make it, it's not okay. Logic should dictate that it goes the opposite way also. That if I take and make it a carbon p, it should also be no good. What you just did is prove to me that is more severe than a carbon p. Why? Because if becomes ple on pes that means it's becoming a carbon pes becomes ple yet a carbon pes on is kosher. So you see that is more severe than a than carbon pes you hear the it's interesting and we know that carbon pes is more severe than everything else the tells us is more severe so that can't be okay that's the hard part for today so takes it back says okay let me let me come from a different angle if you have leftover carbon what do you do you bring certainly you cannot take that's the first you can't take another carbon and make it into well that's his leftover do not become a carbon not the first so now he's starting with the by the way this is this is going to end very soon this back and forth you could later convert to a so but but nevertheless if I even though I can convert it later on in the year I could convert it to but if I try converting a what happens I have to destroy it so carbon that never becomes you can never convert aim into a carbon didn't that's if you try to take and make it possible oh my lawyer I'm going to take your logic and ruin it for you why I'm going to take the same logic and say let's do the same trick with I could convert leftover into how do I have a leftover only one way >> because If oh no no no no no that's that would not work. So the only way to make a converted into is if I buy two and say one is going to be how do you say in English >> backup backup >> a backup. A backup okay backup is a good is a good uh we'll use that if you have leftover a so what do you do if you have if you brought two and one as a backup and you actually ended up using one. What do you do with the second one? The second one, it's not like one got lost and you replaced it completely and you checked the number two and then you found number one. That's not what happened there. You brought two and you said if if I'm not going to use one, something happens to I'm going to use two. Then you take that one and you make it but never do you have leftover that that converts into. And therefore I'm going to use your logic and you're going to see that doesn't work. that could turn convert into we know that's the first mission. If you take and try to switch it, you have to you must destroy it where there is no converting to never convert into. So if you take with with of course it should be possible. Now we know that that's not the case. You know why that's not the case? because all year round 365 I don't know 365 but all year round but only has six hours a year and therefore what sometimes sometimes the the current is puzzle when when you do it so therefore it makes more sense that other others that are for a current pes should also be puzzled fine done. Oh that what I'll remind this is here if you take uh a higher up on the list from the count list is higher up in the list. So it's it's more than the one on the bottom the micer. So if you go that that route, it'll make it possible. But if you go the opposite route, if you go from micer, you take the micer you say I want to go is more then it's kosher. And not only that he says and if you go from the list on the left say take a say it should be that's great you're increasing the that's good but if you go to say should be no good. So where do we get this from? They can go up a little bit and it's okay. You go down, you get the alarm. Now typically means to separate. But we're going to use it like in Hebrew to go up to go upwards. If you go from down to above then it's a good carbon. So if the guy looks at a micer and he says it's then it's a good carbon. If you go downwards it ruins it. This is needed for something completely different. How do you know if somebody eats food that you didn't take true to get the death penalty? a heavenly death penalty. It's very means in the future. But right now there was no trauma taken. It's in the future. Okay. So I need the whole puzzle for truma that is from the different way of writing it. I can learn the two. learned that if you eat, you eat food that you didn't take from, you get the I also learned that I could go upwards in a carbon and it's okay doesn't mean does say that you have to bring another carbon then he's only arguing one thing on the the when it goes downwards that it's possible and they say it's perhaps he said the in two things he says and it's a perfect carbon and he argues two things what's your first born is it is it coming to forgive anything no what's all your new all your babies over there you take one out of 10 and you it's not coming to forapar for anything and you take that [Music] If you go downwards from top to bottom if he meant that it's meaning it's doesn't come for that's basically what is asking so you must say that when it comes to there's no So all cases what he means by by this is this is the ratio when I go from the right column to the left column that's the ratio and and this would be the the safa schlum to messer because in all cases there's no why because if in this case micer there's no kapara because doesn't come to give a kapara so too when the tail or I should say asham and whatever said all these cases are not for kapar says classic line who said this there's no kapar in the ration this is a kapar so why does it talk about what do I gain from that from this this thing right over here uh no this one what do I gain from this case right over here if there's no and there's no know that there's I'm telling you that even on the left column there's a there's a higher up there's hierarchy there's a there's a and there's less case of here I I could learn that from this case right over here if I go from so this this higher this lower no from the right count to the left what is what is I think that to do one of these to take from the left column aim and flip it into a micer it doesn't they're all the same they're all that's I also know from a different place it says what if you come to md you're holding and he's holding a the looks at both of you what do you got I got what do you have akar what is he first heim first so you see thatim is higher up even though it's they're on the same list of kim butlam is more than and explains why it's not because the different type is you have to do all four walls. You have to lean on it. You have to bring wine with it. You have to wave the the breast under the thigh. I thought for me at least that there's a there's a priority on the list. There's the the there's the top, there's a bottom. Oh, there's gold. You see I see the gold guys status comes first. They get in first. So no. So by us that's where we learn the one the the over there where it says that you learn that. So let's think about this for a second. We know if you sh the carbon pes in the 6-hour window in other words from until the night and you think to yourself it's not a carbon pes it's carbon destroy it if the carbon pes after pes then it's a before what if you p in the morning before the time when you're supposed to sh it in the afternoon you did it in the Is it does it ruin the carbon or doesn't ruin the carbon? It didn't. It's not time yet. So he's doing he he heed before the time of heed it in mind. What's the difference in the morning is the same thing as doing it on the 13th and the 12th of of it's before the time the is going to start off saying that maybe hold that the whole day is kosher to even in the morning. That's why he says that it's possible he says it's possible. Interesting lesson. I got I got a tradition from 72. It doesn't say zakmor is going to discuss why it says zak. In other words, the all 72 said the same exact thing. Shiva the famous story that they they got they got rid of who's the and they put in there. Yeah. The famous story. basically this is coming to argue on what we learned on the in the first of what do we learn in the first that there's two that if you mess up you have to destroy the carbon pes and now he adds another one more all animals that you could that are edible that are edible he says that you had the wrong intent for the but you have to bring another one. The cauter continue bringing them but you have to the owner has to bring another one. So what did he just add? We already know he had another one. One more third one is not edible. If you mess up on the on the you got to destroy it also on have a meaningful fast have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.