CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 108 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We are starting from questions over here. We're discussing about the mdash putting a an animal being macar a carbon outside of the ban mikdash. two is two different that we said in the Tory. Here's a question. In order to be you have to put a kaz in the what if the gaz consists of let's say a half a kaz of meat and a half a kaz of bones. What's the shil? Because bones is not something that you really are. Yes, it goes in the mb together with the meat but it's you know it's attached to the meat. So maybe it doesn't make up part of the or maybe it does. says why because anything attached to the the meat that goes onto them is has so it has the the ability to combine with the meat and make it a and now the person is they don't they're not the same Okay. So, we're going to see soon in the Gimmor why it might be different. I'll show you this video in a second. Check this uh video out for a second. This is a the head of a bird and everything you put on, you have to put salt on it. Together with the salt, it's a full kaz. Without the salt, it's not a kazay. So the question is on top the head itself does not have a so you're not and together with the salt you have a are you [snorts] isn't that we just saw a second ago if you have a piece of meat together with a bone. So, here's a piece of meat together with the salt. So, he says, "No." In fact, it's a very different question. Why? Maybe says that. Why? Because it's the bone. It's one animal. It's all part of the animal. Maybe [snorts] the salt that is not part of the animal. It's something that you added later on. Not melody. Oh, so here's the thing. If this happens, [sighs] if the bones fall off, you don't have to put them back on. It's not part of the meat. Listen to this. If the salt falls off the head of the bird, so maybe it's different now. It's a mitzvah. It seems like when you read it, just the words would mean that if the the salt falls off the head, it's a mitzvah to put the salt back on. No, that's not what it means. It means that it's a mitzvah to dunk it back into salt, not the salt that fell off. new salt. [clears throat] Okay. No, I'm just saying what it would seem like from the when you read it without looking at rashy the since the salt, you're right. It wasn't created with the animal, but you need it. It's it's essential to the you'd have to put more salt on it. So, the salt is part of the head of the and therefore you have a or maybe not. Okay. [clears throat] So, let's take a look at the Mishna again goes like this. If somebody shes and puts either he does a or he puts the whole animal I'll show you a video what it looks like because some some people getting confused like what's this misbeh put it outside what's going on yeah there's a mb outside he built it little and he put he put the carbon on top of says then if he did if he inside and he put it on outside great but if he outside and then he did the outside he's why says if you outside then as soon as you it becomes possible so they tell What did you gain? Even if you inside and you drag the animal outside, as soon as you leave the door, it would be possible. Then you took another hundred steps to get to your it's too late. It's already possible at that point. So what's the answer to that says? So Rebi decided to answer instead of you know if was here he would have answered this. So so his point his his point is that it had a a moment of fitness. In other words when you sh the animal inside the mdash there was a moment of fitness for that moment that it was sh that it was great. Then you take that animal, you bring it onto his back outside of Okay. So beautiful. This is a big says Rebi to explain. It's so beautiful. It makes a lot of sense. When you shut it outside, she never had a moment of fitness of cash. Now there's another shot over here to answer basically. He says instead of the concept that we know very well this idea that when you inside the mdash you take it outside of the mdash and then you bring it back inside the mdash. what happens and you put it onto the inside. So the here is not can I do if I inside and I bring it back to the even though I shouldn't it stays on the wow I'm not seeing it put in purple put it in blue doesn't matter my you don't have this idea of So let's just see this for a second. We have they say two two reasons in either what's an animal at night. So an animal at night never had a never had a moment of fitness was at the wrong time but it does have him. That's that's one. Another would be if you received the blood in a mundane vessel, not in a clay. So that's no because the moment you received it, it was already in a bad clay. However, do you have the same here? So let's see inside. Put it over here. Okay. Next. So for this we have to see the second part of the Mishna. Here it is. You don't have to scroll anywhere. The mish brings this because it's very similar to the first argument that we had a person who's and I'm going to show you person who's and eats. So the says doesn't matter what he eats whether it's or if it's or he's if he happens to be and he eats a carbon that's why because he didn't add anything it's already but but what does what difference does it make they tell him if he's eating something that's tar and he grabs it with his hand the moment he grabs it it becomes Okay, so that's the argument. They said a beautiful They said they were right. The chorus if he became Tommy first. [snorts] So let's let's do this to be very clear. There's two this is very there's two different ways to be over the is one is that you yourself are like on the right side he's red he's and he's eating meat that's tar let's see what this meat looks like it's okay the meat is tar okay [snorts] he's a nice guy >> his body is to and he's eating tar meat carus that's the worst if the if the body is he's green but the meat is a so it says the gar like this if he's tame first and then he goes ahead and he eats the meat that's that was t originally was tar but if it came second so certainly there's no question that since the car part came first, he became tom first. The is for him to eat that meat was first and that would be is the fact that the meat switched designations and went from meat to to meat doesn't change the fact that it gets cars to eating that piece of meat. So where's the let's see look what happened over here. Look what happened first. In this world, this piece of meat you could the steak is there. It's in the same package. Package 103 became tom became tot. If you eat it at that point you're unavail then the guy becomes step two is that the guy became so here's the question for him to be over now in that would be adding another is >> an isser is number one was the live you have in the boser that happened on Sunday on Monday the individual the guy with the beard became that happened on Monday that happened later that now you want to add another is a is with on top of the is of the you can't do that why because however there's something called what happens when this individual on the right side becomes he becomes to every single carbon in the world whether it's a aim a pes whatever it is and this meat on the part. So [clears throat] that say you could add the iss why cuz once he his his ofus added is to all the meats all the kum in the world. So that would include also that little guy that was yesterday. >> It's an umbrella. >> It's an it's a it's a is it it includes a lot of other stuff and therefore it's more encumbency. like that it's more it's an umbrella is it's more the umbrella encompasses a lot of stuff. So we'll include under that umbrella that piece of meat not because of which wouldn't work here but because since it's more encompassing it could include something else that's called we're going to call that amigu here in this for that one line say you could say it's more why again when he became himself he included all the indash that day everything including that piece of meat argues and that explains what is telling behind the scenes he says there's no and they say there is you could say he says there's no so asks okay granted there's no there's no migo here there's no not a traditional mig there's no isurf But wait a minute. >> This there's there there's a there's a what did I say? There's no but there's another thing here. Before we were looking at a lab and now we're looking at a carus. It's like a guy I don't want to give. Forget the m before it was a lav and now I'm adding carus. It's it's more. Why should I go with the carus over the lav? Just because yesterday if he would have eaten that piece of meat he was over a small little lab. So today when he could be over cars he shouldn't be over the car. He gets the car it adds because it's more the of is should this guy should be on the and not on the should on the lighter thing. This the is is wider because it's more because it has to it. So it should it should fit on top of the lab. Who told you what what is over here? You decided that it's more because the penalty is more severe because you get if you put a a piece of meat in the mikvah. Here let me show you what happens if you put a piece of meat in the mikvah. Here's a guy with a red frack. Why is it red? Because he's Tom. If he goes to the mikvah human being goes to the mikvah the meat doesn't become you can dunk him in a mik 25 times he doesn't become tar so that's the is the is on the meat the meat is more not the not the guy the guy is cal okay so he gets carus who told you which one is over here says the it's interesting because just yesterday we're learning that the [clears throat] and aliyah meaning putting the the to an animal outside of the mdash and to put the carbon outside are the same. Basically, that's what we're learning yesterday. They have this like sha we learned or we had the is the kids are the same. And now we're going to see there's things that are different about them. This is a that has that aliyah doesn't have. And there's things that putting the carbon on top of him is more than the [clears throat] So what does meanh? No. What does mean? What does it say about you guys? What's for a private individual? You pause what? >> A common person. >> A common person. But what does that mean? >> Huh? >> Okay. So that's why I'm saying that's why take your pencil. I'm saying what >> it's Yeah. When I read it, I also didn't in other words, you're not to you're for an individual, but it's really in the in the category of if you put the animal onto for individual obviously you're only for for that's a different story and putting an animal on. If two people carry an animal onto or one limb onto them outside of two of them. So we're talking about over here this two different helms. In other words, a person had an awareness that what he's doing is also by putting it onto the heathen in the backyard. Then he forgot he did it again and he did it again. The is going to say we're probably talking about according to one we're talking about different each time he put another limb onto the holds each and every time. I like to remember that it's who says who's the is the one that says so when the says so you know he's talking about it's talking about says each and every one says only once for whatever we're talking about all the limbs one limb if you have this and you put an animal on this are you >> the answer is no why >> because it needs to look like says the MishnaB is square. What else is missing here from this picture that usually has and this doesn't have it doesn't have a ram. It's very important to have a ram. What else? >> Huh? >> Fire. No, it has fire. Next. >> It has to have the car. Have to It has to have the horns. What else is it missing? >> Corners. >> That's what they're saying. The Kronis. Every corner has aid. It's missing his side. You have to have these things in your backyard in order to be says the We'll see. No, put it on a on a stone in your backyard. If it's a cell growing, it's a one of these things. You have a a little bit of a mountain in your backyard that's attached to the ground or just you put a stone there. You're also show real quickly what's going on here. It makes a lot of sense. Now, here we go. Here we'll do it. We'll do one by one. Just the the the five lines here. Very simple. It's interesting. We have things two things that are potter two things that are if you put on a carbon for individual noting you are potter why because it says in theem only if you do it forem two people who that we had in the because it says who if you for individual why not the one right above it is putting on individual that's but if you for an individual by ish and two people that put one limb onto the for because of So now let's leave that on the screen for a second. You'll see beautiful if you do it for an individual also that we said right below on the right bottom corner why it says there's a that I'm going to use for the bottom left corner. corner that if they two people bring up I needed for the top left corner two people comes to exclude one singular by the right top corner it says There's no if you were somebody put a gun to your head somebody tricked you also by the not just by this is but what about the somebody forced you to do okay so I have another here here's the puzzle if you want to Okay. Says twice in the if for individual. So how can you say that for individuals? So he says comes to say to exclude the the the goat that gets thrown off the cliff. Oh, okay. So, we have like here, which had I not uh woken up 10 minutes before, I would have made a few more charts. Just for the Why does the say two people grabbing onto a limb of an animal and they brought it up onto the outside. Oh, where was that? We had it. We Oh, here. Here we go. Look at this. It's So for those of you that were confused, this is not outside of that's the is to bring it up there and to burn it to be. So let's go back to this chart for a second. Oh, if you the bottom right cornering for an individual yet top left corner two people who hold on to a knife. So the top right corner where you certainly did. So then two people who grab the animal bring it on should be part the bottom left corner that one and not two are so one is two or what does he do with I don't learn anything from because that's how human beings talk what does do with with like we discussed before these three things you are potter that I know from the extra in the word that's how you say the word it's it's it's not an extra it's not we're not daring from that word from that letter how come we don't say also that the Torah is talking like human beings how come all of a sudden by He does use how do you know that if you for an individual he says you're right he learns it from a different which includes for human being we'll stop over here have a wonderful Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdyop.com.