CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 104 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] voice holding by the Mishna says the Mishna we're continuing to talk about the hides of the animals of the Bdash all the carvanas had hides what do you do with the hides so we had a mission yesterday we'll discuss the mission that we discussed yesterday and we continue to remind here we had a cool little animation also something like this to remove the the skin. So if the let's say became before you remove the hide the hide does not go to the k. So what do you do with it? A boy say what do you do with it? Doesn't go to the k. So then what do you do with it? You have to burn it outside. Let's say you took off the hide and then happened or you're saying then the hide was not second in charge. I've never seen such a thing. I never saw them burning the I think is going to have a whole question answer kind of thing later on. What do you mean this gets burned? Yeah, you're right. That gets burned. But that's the mitzvah to burn. Well, this gets burnt. Yeah, you're right. What what he's saying basically is I've never seen something become possible and then they had to burn the height and therefore what I could learn from this if let's say you take off the skin of a firstborn animal that goes on and you found out that it's a tra afterwards like something like this Yoshi put this together with we have 3D 3D version of these animals so he just added the uh like a x-ray x-ray vision of like a nail in its I don't know what what is that its lungs. So let's say you took off the hide and after you open up the animal you find that it was a it was a tra. So the traa actually happened before he took off the hide. It seems like that could use the hide even though the animal was a tra before you took off the hide. Why? Because it goes by when you discover the trava and you discover that it's a traa after you took off the hide because somebody said I never saw it. I never saw it. It's not a riot. Why? Maybe he just happened to to space out when they were burning it. Maybe he wasn't there that day that they burned it. I mean, just because he didn't see it doesn't mean that that's that's the I'm going to ask because somebody testified he never saw it. If it happens, you have to burn it. says in we learned in the previous culturally as long as the top of the it says that if the doesn't get the meat then the don't get its hide but the doesn't make a distinction if it was taken off the body not taken off like our mission makes a whole distinction even if they took off the hide before So who does that go? According to this must be the blood of the that you throw on this doesn't have the power to make the hide kosher. So what does have the power to make the hide kosher? The meat. The meat. If you put the meat on them, says the then you could use the hide. It has nothing to do with this. The problem is what do you do with our mission over here? So let's we'll start this just a very simple chart. If you take off the skin and then you do it that doesn't go to the that goes according to that what you just said that the blood what does it say you take off the skin and then it becomes ple it goes to the k that must go according to rebi that says dam is so we have a contradiction between The go that blood is not and the goes according to that blood is must go according to that the blood thrown in is what causes it's a done deal. So it's a it's a question how can that be that the go and the goes like sorry I skip so we're going to go like this okay so now you can see that the safer line up they're both rebi who says dam is just what says it never happens that they take off the skin before the it's like almost impossible. You have to do right away. Now if he did take off the skin before the then is but it never happens. Now, let me just maybe I could do it in a different way. And Ra says both the and the are you're right. It's one but not it's what does it mean before and after taking off the skin doesn't mean literally taking the skin off and not taking off the skin. What it means is before and after. That's what it means. It's it's a code word for when it's possible to do skinning of the animal when it's not possible to do skinning meaning before and after. Now where do we see this? Oh, the sob is basically saying that we have two separate entities over here. We have the hide the skin and the meat and they they work independently of each other. So the blood could be mats of the the skin. Even if let's say you have a problem with the with the buser, not a problem for the skin. We have you do the take the blood, you spritz it on the it makes the the hide good just if it's attached to the meat it's one one thing then then if there's a if something happens to that whole piece so if something happened developed in this meat that has a wrapping of skin on it so it doesn't matter before then everything then then it's one piece. No, no, no. They don't work independently. And when the skin is together with the meat, if there's before the then the skin and the and the meat are the same. Once you threw the blood, if the meat was okay for one minute, then you remove the skin and you give the skin to the we have that says the blood is moratza. And then we have says blood is not maratza. Again, blood can blood affect the the castrous of the hide by itself. Rebi says yes. The blood of says no. Now the is going to bring two other that lived before rebi and say maybe it's connected here we go that says the blood it's the words are almost the same and the is going to say no they're not the same and that's you see so green lines up with green the wants to say that they two say the same thing and says that says the same thing like says boser maybe it's the same so let's see inside. >> Yeah. Now it's just easy to understand. Yeah. Famous. Those two on top have the same as the two in the bottom. It says in the So what's the problem with this? You should do your why these two things together. You should do the You should throw the blood and finished. You should I don't know what put the the meat on the Why does it say what's the connection between the meat and the the blood? That they're connected and if blood so now you don't have blood to do with it. So what do you do with the meat? Just throw it out. Maybe I'll think put it on the So he says, "No, no, no. You can't put on the If you can't put the blood, you can't put the meat. So they connect it. If the meat's a problem with the meat, put the blood on. They're not connected. So why does it say the puzzle the two things? It seems like they're both connected to each other. You need to toss the meat into the fire. You can't place it on the grill like we do. You know, you take it. Anybody throws steak on his grill? No. You take it, you put it on the grill. Not it's tossing. You must toss. We had it already in the there's a space here. Let me show you the There's a gap between You see that between the ramp and the misb there's a little gap the must now let me go to the next one. The cayenne must do this. He stands. He doesn't go onto the He stands on the ramp and he must toss it onto I would have stopped a little bit. Yeah. He's now like hovering over that gap. I don't like that so much. Fine. So he tosses it into the fire from that point. So let's go back to this. Yeah, it lines up very nicely. Rebi who says that blood is not isa lines up beautifully with that says without but now we know what that means that one works independently of the other lines up beautifully blood is not because they work together says no maybe everybody agrees to rebel in the right bottom corner that Dam is without meaning that they work independently. Maybe everybody holds maybe even holds like but we're going to have a little bit of a okay that lines up beautifully. If you say is not what says the blood by itself could be when it comes to the meat. What happens when I tell you that you have to toss out your whole? So the the owner has to bring another has to go to the store unfortunately and spend another 500 bucks on another on another sheep and bring another. Does the cayenne lose anything from that? Zero. Why? Because the was going to get the the hide and he's going to get the hide now from the second animal. But now if you tell me after the the the uh the height was supposed to now it doesn't. So now the have a loss maybe will say in this case that it doesn't work like this. Why why would I say such a thing? Because the we see a similar thing when it comes to in other words after the fact if the me became or went outside and we're talking about says don't throw the blood says you know what don't throw the blood but if you didn't listen to me and you threw the blood you do get a kapar so to over here if you didn't listen. Okay. So the get the the hide. Very good. Now we have a much easier sug that that you you don't burn the hide. You give it to the say just because somebody said he never saw it doesn't mean anything. So as what he never saw what do you mean all these years in the he never saw them burn hard you have the bulls on you have different bulls that the the goats of certain times you have to burn a goat on the he never saw it says of course he saw it I'm not talking about a mitzvah that happens every year I'm talking about when you mess up and you have to burn it that that he's never seen says recall if it became possible before the removal of the hide and before this recall what what happened then what it never happened before the they they took off the hide that a dead rat touched the animal touched it never of course it happened over the years I'm talking about where the animal didn't have the high that he's never seen asking. But there is a case after you remove the hide. Yeah, you're talking about after you remove the hide. Here's the case. And before we just said according to it's still on the board. Show it here. According to So what's the answer? That's according to what about Rebi? He looks like Rebi. Uh he holds like the one on the right could hold just like we said that holds that it doesn't it never happens that they take off to hide before this. So we're going to say the same exact thing. It never happened like like that. Oh, that that happens many times in the mdash where you you open up an animal, you see that the I was in a I saw many unfortunately too many. I would have to ask the professionals. It's probably more than 50% is is strafe. It's a big issue for for people that are making kosher. It's it's a big expense. What do you do with all these strafas? You have to sell to go. It's a it's a it's a that's why that's why kosher by the way costs a lot of money. That's one of the reasons. I'm not giving excuses for them, but it's very very difficult to make money on kosher because of this issue. You buy a $2,000 animal, then you find uh some sort of thing in the the lung or the heart and 50% of the time, let's say, and now you have to figure out what to do with this animal and you have to give it to the non-cooser line and it's a whole hassle and you have to market, you have to this, you have to make a deal with the guy beforehand that he's going to take your animals, otherwise he's stuck with all these animals that are worthless to you. So that happens. So what do you do with the hide? Of course you saw them burning hide. Why do you tell me? I never seen anybody burn hide. No, the gets the hide in that case. Here said that you see it even in Bkar that you could the could use the the hide if you found the tr meaning allonus get to use the hide but the ask has a basic question what did he add says oh you see from that if you find that he's a so what if what did he add says all kbanas if you find a traa Then the could use the the hide comes says oh yeah and by the way also yeah isn't thear one of the what did he add over here why iskar different than anything else says I'll tell you what thear you could eat it even if this happened outside even let's say outside the you found the in the in in thear the could eat could could use and benefit from the heights that the the goes to the but he only said this you need a professional that's the whole issue because you know if the has let's say a little hole in its ear then it's a soul it's a then the k gets to use it outside the mdash if not he has to bring it all the way to md hassle for him [snorts] so every Kayen could go and you know take a punch hole thing and punch a hole right through the ears. Oh my animal's a I don't have to. No. So first of all it's a big issue. It's a hole that we're going to learn. But the bottom line is you need a he can't decide on his own. You need a you need a professional to say this is a and then the retracts and says no is not like according to at day and then takes out these words that no just because doesn't mean that's all right says the so you have these bulls that get burned once in a And you have the goats that get burnt. In other words, not your typical animal carbon that you bring and you put on them. There's something that get burnt. Where do you burn it? And it makes the clothing. So special that the people that burn these animals in the Badesh and there's a special place called Bad. Do we put it in today? So you have Bad. I'm going to show you a picture of Badash here special that if you're the one carrying the animal to the Bad you become so that your clothing becomes and if you didn't burn it properly you burn it inside. We'll see exactly what is but then it doesn't give you too much to your clothing. They would carry it on these poles. Imagine you have a a bull. How much does a bull weigh? A ton. How much is a ton? 1 £,000b. >> 2,000 lb. A ton is 2,000 lb. Yeah. Weighs 2,000 lb. Yeah. weighs a ton. So you had four people carrying a ton. That's a that's a ton of weight. Yeah. That's 500 lb a person. That's that's very very heavy. So that's what it seems like. Four people carry it on on like four two two two beams. As soon as the first ones left the wall of that, they became coming. The ones behind are still inside. Right. First the two front ones go out then the two back guys the the second guys only become when they leave once all four leave they all become when the fire grabs most of the animal then they become tummy if they chop up the meat once the meat is all chopped up and everything it's all destroyed Then there's no let's see now. Now we can see first of all what's so we have here's a bunch of remember when wrongly they say there certain type of love of the animals. So all of gets together they buy one bull. They have the if they make a mistake they do have and you have the we know as the and its counterpart that's the what's this? So we saw in the video here he had some sort of fire in the mdash on the side under those pillars. It's on the Okay. There's three. There's a very large one inside. That's where they would burn all the kachum. What's a kachi kachum again more? Huh? A what else? Aam. What else? So any kach that became possible let's say touched it whatever you burn it right there inside the m on the very large and also the inards of the So the calendar which usually go on the but if something happened to it then you put it on the fire. That's number one. There's another one outside. That's where you do the the the happened after after and when you want to burn it like the mitzvah tells us to burn it on the that's outside the three camps. I should have had a our famous picture of the three camps. You have the MA of the which is in the B mikdash. Then you have the then you have is the kids are outside. Let's let's call it the today. That's the three. And this is a very slight variation of what we just read. There's three. The difference is right over here. Before and after. is so here the difference is on the second one the only you do over here before we make a distinction before and after that's the first B the second one now we're saying both before and after go into one B the second B is for that happened for you took it outside by mistakes that you have to burn and this is the same as the first price if you do when you have to burn something and that's the mitzvah to burn it not because it's because that's the mitzvah they have to take it outside the three camps is when the the stays overnight does it ruin a bull or a goat that is supposed to be burnt what's the question I'm reading it makes a lot of sense on something that's edible these the bull and the designed to be burnt from the beginning this overnight thing doesn't pass them or perhaps doesn't make a difference asked me this exact question and I told him that if he had a thought to eat this bull this bull is supposed to be burnt and he thought to himself of pigle as he'sing he's saying I'm going to eat this in three days from now that's nothing it's not edible it's a bull that has to be burnt not eat eaten so since there's no concept of pigle by this so therefore there's no lina either that's what tells there's no lina there's no overnight just like there's no pigle there's no overnight says maybe there's no thought of but there is a problem of I'll bring you it says there's in other words if you try to use one of these bulls take it for a ride use it as as your tractor for a day but it's was designed to go to the bd to be the the bull that gets burnt you you owe the b mikdash 25% penalty plus you have to bring a carbon Once it was possible then the meat becomes available that if somebody that's went to the mikah that day but he's waiting for to happen or he has to bring a a carb in the following morning or it becomes possible Lena's boss. Aren't we talking what does Lina mean that the the meat stayed overnight? We're not talking about the meat. We're talking about the parts the meat parts that go on the a few parts like the skirts that the the the kidneys that has a problem of. So we're talking about being by using this this bull. So now it becomes oh so we're talking about that's how we got into it. Talking about the kidneys talking about overnight of the kidneys. But wait a minute, it doesn't match the end. You're all them in the in that the fire pit until the meat goes uh what's the word in English? How to say? It's uh um consumed. It says it's talking about in the so it has to match. It has to no mio says it has to match the rationer. The second part of the mission is talking about meat in the first part is talking about kidneys. But here's a it says that something happened as they were going out of the what's the what what happened that it was overnight the different of going out of the another question and that's we're going to finish with this one another five six lines if before the of the blood these bulls left the B mikdash doesn't ruin the bowl. So the problem is what happens to these bulls where what do you do with them? You take them out of the B mikdash and you burn them. So now they went out of the B before the but they have to go out anyway. Maybe you shouldn't make it such a big deal out of it. What's the problem? So they left. that they're going to leave anyway because the problem is according to says it's not their time to go out yet. They jumped the gun. Maybe that's only there's such a thing by the meat of this animal because it's not you don't have to bring the meat out but maybe since these guys these bulls have to leave completely. So maybe they if you took them out before the of the blood it's not a big deal. says, "But maybe there's such a thing." Listen, if you jump the gun, it's poss like what we said before we're talking about going out and here. So, it says leaving the mdash makes this meat possible. So, I could I could change the answer. In other words, I can do it any way I want. Before I said it's the because that fit me then. In other words, I was just pushing you off. Now I'm going to push you off also. I'm going to tell you I don't have a good ri because maybe I'm talking about a different not of leaving. It's not a ri that if it leaves it's possible because maybe I'm talking about of overnight. Have a good and for you guys a good chabas a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.