CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 9 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning [Music] live from Lakewood smack in the middle. So, what's kamita? For those of you who are brand new, haven't been to yet, you're allowed to bring as one of the you bring a min is a flower gift. It's like a carbon, but it's made out of flour. You bring this there's a few things you have to do. Some of them you add oil, some of them you don't. Takes his hand goes like this into the flour. Takes three fingers worth of flour. That's the kima. Inside is the kits. He takes the kits, puts it in another vessel. And then they take that, they walk it to the misb put it on his back. He takes from here. He goes like this. It's larger than this, but okay. He takes out three fingers worth and he puts it on his. Now, where does he do it? He's supposed to do it in the blue box, the blue dotted backs. What happens if he does it in the red dotted backs? What's the red dotted back? It's called the is a very tall building. It's about 400 ft tall. Yeah. 200 feet tall. 200 feet tall. Inside you have the famous you have the with you have the and past that you have the inside inside all the way at the end on the right side of the screen is the he goes inside the inside the red dots and he does the is it good or not good if it's good in the blue dots which has less certainly in the red dot. So first says we see this by the so here you have the with the 12 upon him and there's also two spoons full of leaves and what happens is you have to take the levina off of the I'll zoom in on it. These two spoons, you take those off and you burn them. And then where's the in? Oh, this taking the taking the and put it is similar to the just like the similar to and and and and the take the kamita the put it onto the onto this bath. It's like everything is similar. So you might understand just like we're able to do such an in so we could also do you should do from over there. What's over there? Now there's an area if you look in the back of that you could see it clear. It's called I'll zoom in on here where it says Ezra. You see it says Ezra Israel. There's 11 am like 22 feet. Not here. Let me see if I can find it. Right over here. This one. See the red dotted lines? That's where Israel stands. Us us guys, most of us in this room, we stand there like all like sardines in this 22 area foot uh area by the by the width of the azara. 11 hours. So it says that you should do the commits over there. That doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense. Why should you do over there over there? Do it anyway. Do it all over that. Why over there? Understands maybe that you do it over there, not inside. Only over there. The has to do the with the right hand. What if he messes up? He does with his left hand. We had a whole yesterday. Put back the flower. Start all over again with your right. I don't learn that the has to be over there where the stands means. Do in that bowl. It's not in the place in the in the place of the bowl. Same bowl that you started doing the that's where you should do the again. Who might he himself asked the question and he answered himself that what he answered the question it's not it's not from from that place of the means from the bowl he'll explain that you could do the in the entire I wonder if I put it was in the other days d I don't think I have it here you see this this wall right over here where the laser is going that's the northern wall of the so from this laser all the way down here is the northern part of the azor which are kos They're all down here in this area. Like, they're everywhere. This entire area, even in the south, right over here. Says, "Oh, I would think that a could only be done in the northern part from the downwards. Where do we only in the northern part of only half like from the downward?" So too I would say can't bring you put the whole thing on the on the so that's why you need but not you get to eat it's a it's a lighter kind of thing so there's no reason why to do it only in no maybe I'll learn the get to eat from it and nevertheless it has to be only in the so maybe the is also very people that did. So let's learn from what's meaning. So the says you get theap through the it's a different kind of it's that's why you need soften upon him. Why do I need this? of the what does give me now is different than a carbon. Oh, so now we're going to talk about for those of you who learned, you know, those of you don't might not know what aos is. So here's a if I can find it. Aosa. Here we go. Then this to take the flower and put it on what corner? Anybody that knows, >> huh? >> Southwest. >> Southwest. How do you know? >> Airplane. Very good. Southwest airline. That's right. Obviously, these guys never saw the shar. One of the main corners of them is B. And you can see on the bottom you have the two sheet over there. Not the sheet. The uh >> you see the plane. So I I once said southwest I I I threw on the screen the southwest airlines just by remember they remembered a year later southwest be the so means you take the bowl of flour you take it and you literally touch the corner of the misb the southwest corner of the misb so I would think that just like haggush is wear on the southwest corner of the misb so the kamita also should on the southwest corner of the should be done right over there in that area. That's why great if you take and you bring it into the into the says that if I take usually I have to where in the blue that area is so I can check also in the south south part of that but what if I take it and I bring it into the into the red into the it seems like a little extreme nobody goes into the goes in there likes brings a once a day, twice a day. But an animal blood, yeah, you bring it in there. Why? It has much more than the so certainly should be okay. So says the are around Azor and Rashi says in that they're shooting missiles into the Azor. That's what he says over there. Then what do you do if the Gim are surrounding you? You go into that zor the go into that zor and they eat they eat the ki the and the leftover after the takes three fingers full of flour the rest goes to the do that if the are surrounding you you go into not literal means one step before the say it even means but the problem is if you could eat what do you eat in you can't eat you have to eat it in so if you could eat so certainly the same same made before you should make over here if you could eat in so certainly you should be able to eat them in the why do you need a for that says the I'll tell you to do to do to do before the I could say that's something normally you could do in front of but to eat that's already not prop eat [Music] to take it to that step to eat inside the which closer that you don't do and that's why you need a so you need you need a that you could eat in front of you could eat you don't say here so this we do have a video but this is more for learning purposes. This is not a funny one or anything. This is how you make a you take a cle called an isar. You fill in enough flour for is now inas the first step is you pour oil in first then you put the oil the the flour you put oil again and then there's a third time you put oil you mix it all together. What happens if you do this mixing this you do outside of the base we have [Music] first you do all these things you put the oil then you put the only afterwards then comes the By the also agrees to this that the that aar could do all this just everybody agrees. So says since we learn from here that put it all together and this is the they argue on and since you don't need is also good. So he makes a he does a jump here. If he could use the to do the law so he could also do it outside of the argues. Look at this picture. What is he doing? He's doing it in golden. It's a cliche. So since you're doing it in you're right certain things are you don't need a you don't need a like it's not but it's not but it's part of the the process so putting it in is also part of it. It might not be you don't need but but it's still part of the the process but and therefore you definitely need to be inside the we have a bright if you do it outside the it's boil inside you outside of the Uh right over here. So we're going to have two two two over here over here have five five steps you have putting the the flour in the putting putting the oil bilah mixing it in and now comes the kamita. After it's all mixed in, the coin goes like this. Not because right, we're talking about a that has oil. So, it's not into the flour, it's into dough. And he does the the kum. What happens as if the is missing part of it. Now, obviously, you can't do a when part of it is missing. But what do you do says go home, bring some more flour, fill it up. Not a problem. You can't do it. It's too late. We're lack of this. This is finished. Why? [Music] It's good. Why is it good? Because when he did the had the right amount. He did. That's it. Now it became ah it's missing now. Okay. So you can't be the So go home and bring a little bit more. Says in the Let's see if we have the over here. brings that you can't have anything missing from the but it has to be a not it has to be a so what what makes it aka the makes it a from that point down it can't be missing once he put it we know it's the char has powers anything he put in becomes oh once I put it in it became therefore it's locked out says [Music] we're talking about this is a yeah it's a golden has he's pouring the oil into another's left hand >> and from this left hand he goes through the whole process this is the process you take first you put the blood on the on on the thumb and then on the big toe and then on the ear. Then you take the oil and put it on the same spot on the thumb on the big toe and on the ear. The leftover oil the left from the left hand where does it go? It goes on the guy's head. Oh. So what happens if from this look? So I the this whole video is for this picture. This look it's a clicharis inside this kicharis is oil. It's kadesh. What does it say? If some of the oil is missing the the oil from this is missing, if he didn't start the process, fill it up. No, even if he poured, but this is just like said before the bowl is you can't that's it. You're locked out. So here also you're locked out. You can't you can't add oil. It's already you see like the Fine. So now we're moving on. We go to the next chart. Now you'll see why this chart is so here. You see this chart first. We'll go this chart. We're talking about that the the flower were missing between the bila and the kamita. Now we're going to this chart moving over. Oh, you saw it moved. He already did the kima. Now the flower went missing. Now let me ask you something. Let's see who's paying attention there. After the is done, go. What's the problem? Go to your counter. Go to the thing here. Is some just add a little bit. What's the problem? >> Huh? No, you put it has into the bowl. Make sure what do you mean? What's the real >> what? >> No, I'm going to go to the closet. Get some new fresh flour. My bay. The answer is it's a big bay. There's no kamita done to it. You already did the kamita. You already did kamita. How can you add flour after the kamita? You didn't do kamita on that flower. You'll never do kamita on that flower. So, you can't add flour. You That's it. You're done. But the question is, can I continue moving towards put it on? So what if in this bowl something went missing? This is the this is the I'm going to eat later on, but my was done nicely from the right. Let him continue going to the says it's okay. He cannot leave in a second. We have what is of the opinion that if the this side the leftover flour gets burnt gets lost it's not a problem take the kets and put it on this bail why the same thing that we have by a carbon this is a is based on a carbon What happens after you shut the carbon? The carbon goes missing. It got burnt. It's It's gone. Birds came ate it up. Can you do it down? Can you take the blood and throw it on this says yes, I don't need the I don't need any carbon. So, it's perfect. Everything got burnt. Who cares? You have the in your hand. You have the the dam in your hand. Throw the dam. put the but according to you need you can't you can't just not have any of the oh and so the says it's possible is going to hold because you have to have the the in front of you before you do the the however even in you can say that's why does he say over there it's because nothing is left over zero. So when zero is left over, you can't put the kit on his back. When zero of the animal is not is is gone, you don't have a single part of the animal left. Then you can't do but over here we're talking about that this is still here. Just what a little bit of the flowers went missing. So say that it's good. Why? Because you have a nice amount left. Oh, and I'll prove it to you like Oh, so right over here is the from this line and then we're going to continue if you have from a carbon one of meat left over weighs a,000 pounds you have one little amount left over or what's the difference between goes on boss Ber goes in your mouth, right? Buster is edible for the and so if you have of meat left over so for that that's left over I could do but if I don't even have that I can't do or if I have a also I can do like but what if I have a half of steak and half a of that go together I have a kaz and the two different types of they don't go together. If I have a half of meat and I have eyes of they combine together why the entire oil anyways goes on there's no such thing as edible and not edible. The whole thing is for the oil. So half of me is both together. This needs explanation. We're going to get to explanation. And if you have a you hear this, if you have even if the entire is full, you cannot throw blood. What does blood have to do with this? Where's the where's the over here? You see, we're learning new things every minute. There's something called that comes together with a carbon. What happened? The entire carbon went something happened. And I burnt and I have a a a mazri full of blood that I'm supposed to do with it. And then I have this I have a a a bunch of flour that went together with the with the it goes together have to bring. So maybe I would think I could do why because I have the left over and it's part of the carbon. Maybe it's considered part of the carbon. No. Yes, you're right. You bring it together with the carbon. It's not a carbon. It's the carbon is missing. You can't do Okay. And it's it's very simple. Oh, no. I already said this. Yeah. You have four lines from the top says the the do from says you need the entire some of it goes missing you can't you can't put the the on what does that mean the point you look over here in the it's very interesting This ma has a lot of parenthesis. So over here it's like two lines of parenthesis which it seems like someone other than the put it in here. So it comes out but he says it's like it's like a in other words as long as at the time of the when the put his hand into the flower it had a full shear. What happened afterwards? I don't care. Put the kam that at at a certain point there was a it was good. There's there's the right amount. Actually, this is we had yesterday. We're talking about the Oh, here. This is a nice video you did. You have the comes a and grabs one of the breads. I actually had the the to hold one of these and it managed like that. That's what happened to me basically cuz they're impossible to make. There's a guy Sidel, his name is Sidel. He tries to make these. He tries to show you how it's done. The kits are the shape and it's so heavy and so big it's almost impossible to make. Anyway, the guy grabs it. What happens? It breaks. When it breaks, you have crumbs that fall to the floor. They get lost. So now you're missing part of the part of the it's a problem. So actually if before they pull the you see the in this picture are holding the in their hands that's called but if it's right before that the is still on the table and this and grab a piece of bread without and he breaks it and then it gets lost part of it gets lost then you're out of luckle you can't eat upon You have to have full breads. You have to have everything perfect. If something gets lost, you can't eat the bread and you can't put the on. What if like in this picture where the are holding on to the they already took it off the table? We had two days ago. How do you take it off the table? Fork had him walk in. One kind grabs six breads. Next kind grabs six breads. One kind grabs one spoon. Next spoon. Another fork on him. They bring in the the new bread and the new. Fine. But if you already took the out then you can't eat the bread but you could put the on it's missing some of the bread and according to if some of the is missing what's going you can't put the so over here some of the is missing. He can't he can't put the on his now we go. It doesn't mean that took the off the sixth hour of the day. Did anybody look it up? Says so we have a problem that if some of it is missing some of the bread some of is missing. How can you put the on says goes according to we saw that if the entire carbon is burnt the entire is burnt you can continue putting the you can continue doing oh my I don't like that you're telling me I'm telling you a whole that goes according to one and another You tell me a very small guy takes a like you saw in the video and he breaks it and then and three crumbs fall to the floor. O it's missing. I'm going to tell you a much bigger. If the entire was burnt, not a not a single morsel left the you could still put according to you could still put the the the Why are you telling me a case where a few crumbs are missing? The whole thing is missing. He didn't know what to answer. Why did he something is something for the community? We have when it comes to the community. So a little bit of is missing. So for the we're going to allow I'll tell you why you didn't answer because when something's missing it's like a like a broken leg. When you have a broken leg even can't get away with carbon that has a broken leg. So this bottom is about. So even wouldn't work. So he sent it over. It doesn't say where argue they'll argue even in a case of on the second day we bring which allows us according to some allows us to eat the new said So I'll just say the in one second and that's the end of the we have that both say that you're not to have any flower missing. So that's a bomb on who says that if you have flower missing you can go of the tub in fact are against both of I remind number one number one was when the flower went missing between the bil and the kam where says n problem just go home and bring more and number two was after the kam but before the octto where says It's not a problem. So since we have tukim over here and they both say you can't have any flower missing. What's one is enough? No for both of these. And for that we have a test real quickly. It says in the which is flour the fine flour. If it's missing from the that that holds it's possible. If it's missing a little bit from the oil from the L that holds the oil a little bit is missing. We learned another another if it's missing anything from the from the no good to say that if some and we're talking really about the flower about flower missing why do I need that these two charts. this one and this one to tell us that is wrong in both of those charts is going to say that if this happens that the is telling you if you're missing some some flower not that it's possible maybe go home and bring more don't be good if you don't bring more then it's possible And the other one is telling us the second case. You're right. They are talking about these cases, but not like you're saying that it's a no's going to explain even though you take this this and there's a big you went ahead and you put the the but what about this? What about all this flour that's left over? Usually get to eat it. The says you're not eating according to like says that you could take the put it onto the butto when the takes that's one. But when after the more goes missing that's and that you can't eat so is that as long as that during the you had the right cheer what happens afterwards doesn't matter you're allowed to eat it the could eat it have a wonderful day [Music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysonsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.