CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 8 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. We're holding all the way on the bottom of two lines from the bottom. Got it? One of the examples is Kipper. The takes the blood of and he sprinkles it seven times in the floor. All different procedure. Little bit on a little bit here and we say we say that's the sprinkling of the blood. Can he receive that blood of the in two different vessels? So Rebel is of the opinion that if he receives let's say four drops worth in one vessel and three in the other, no good. Says did he really say so? It's amazing. It's beautiful. First of all, very easy daff, a flowing daff, a lot of stuff. I love this stuff. It's all about, you know, when Mia comes and mdash and different things that we're not very familiar with. And one of them is, did you know that a brings a twice a day? Every day he has to bring a flowerly gift to Hashem. And he has to bring the flower from his home and he he puts it in a vessel and he s and he divides it half in the morning, half in the evening this you can't sanctify it. You can't make it half and half. You're going to be using half in the morning and half in the afternoon. So you think, okay, so I'll make half kadesh right now. What does it mean kadesh? When I bring a bag of flour like I have sitting over there, I used the flour yesterday. Bring a bag of flour from your home you bought in Costco has no but as soon as you put it now I could say that I want to I want to make a out of it. So then it will change into it'll become but I want it to I want to elevate the I want to make it really kadesh I put it into the vessel I have a gold a gold bowl I pour it in whatever hits the gold bowl becomes I need to pour the entire is into that vessel and I cannot do half and half that's what says no he argues Look, I am going to put on the a half says since it's brought at two different times, you can make two different times. And if it's true that you bloods are hold that you cannot collect the blood that you're going to be sprinkling on your kipper on the floor or whatever in two different vessels madame why did you say that it's okay to put all the flour in two different vessels let's learn from the blood that you cannot if holds that you cannot put blood in two different vessels has to be in one vessel so you should learn from there the idea by flour as Well, we should learn flower from blood. So that's interesting. We're going to have this concept three times on the daff on this even and I believe it's only a concept in kachum there's certain things that are unique to the seder kachum and this is one of them that perhaps you don't learn one thing from the other thing because throughout the you learn one thing from the other but we know maybe don't learn one from the other but I'll prove to you that he does learn one thing from another that is these These are the that's the red dots and the blue dots is where you're supposed to do the supposed to take the flower the kind goes like this grabs three fingers worth puts it in another vessel etc. That's supposed to be done in the what if he didn't do a he went into a holier place called it's okay why we're going to go back to this one. This is the also from my very talented artist. Well, it's a combination. We have actually three people working on this. So on the you have 12 breads and two spoonfuls of frankincense of levo. The way it works is that when you take the leav, you take the two spoons and you put them on the then that allows the to eat the 12 breads. Before you put the on, you cannot eat the bread. The is a it's a it allows you to eat the bread. So the action is very similar to the there's a similarity. The is what allows you to eat the rest of the bowl of flour by you taking the putting it on. So do the where do you do? Where does this take this whole video? Where did it take place? Let's see this. Where is this? Where's the the is placed in the that's where the in the we have the we have the and we have the anything else that I missed out I don't know so it's so you see that you're allowed to take from so you can do so what do you see learns the from says that's not fair you're learning from but guess what is also a sort of it's a bread it's a flowery is that a word it's it's a it comes from flour so it's like a I don't want to learn from blood that just like blood you can't receive in two vessels so too the the you can't accept in two vessels you can't learn it does really learn Actually, if before they removed the two, we don't have it, but here I just like the picture of the So, I'm going to go to the end of this video if I can. It's not letting me. Okay. So, again, you take the two spoons, you put it on the What happens if before you were able to put it on the MSB, somebody took a a loaf of bread and broke it in half? Now, what happens typically when you break something in half, a loaf of bread, you're going to have, you know, different crumbs fall to the floor, you're going to be missing part of the bread. That's a very big problem because anytime you have missing from the from the actual or from the it causes a lot of problems. So, here's actually if before you able to remove the two spoonfuls, there was already some of the bread missing. you have a major issue. You can't do anything with the bread. You can't eat the bread and you can't even put the on. However, once the removed, we saw yesterday we had a video of eight. Remember, four bring the new breads and the new and four remove the old. So when the remove the old the the once they remove it and then the grabs a loaf of bread and cracks it in half but if that happened afterwards so you can't eat from the bread because some of it is missing. However, once you remove the already, you can put it on the promise. He says doesn't mean that you took the off the table. It just means that it's the time that you can remove the which is the sixth hour of the day. At that point, even if you didn't take it off, it's as if you took it off. You hear what's going on here? You don't have to physically take it off. You have to just be at the right time. So if learns one from the other, so you basically can learn the regular from the upon him and vice versa. So let's consider this a that that was missing a little bit of any that's missing some of the flour. That's it. You can't do anything with it. So here also it's missing a little bit of the upon him some of the bread, right? Somebody took a a loaf of bread. He breaks the bread in half. We said oh it's okay because if the it's the six hours in the day anyways have to go on a but time out. Part of the bread is missing. part of the bread is missing. You can't you can't bring can't do anything says no if you want to compare I want to show you there we cannot compare to reg no when you're doing when you have a bowl of flour nobody knows where the is you didn't do the kam yet but we know straight out what what the kamita is so to speak. The two spoonfuls they're sitting right in front of you. So it's different than a where you don't know what the kam is. And therefore park as long as the time came six hours in and I know exactly what the what the kam is. So I don't really have to put it on and even though some of the bread goes missing I could continue putting it on. Now if some of the upon him is missing after the were taken off the we said it's okay just continue bringing the onto he can't eat the bread but continue with the why there's one opinion that says that if you do the and you're bringing it towards them and then some of some of the flower in the bowl went missing the time is you don't put the onto because some of the flowers missing. Oh, so over here also by how could you continue bring the he like the other opinion that if some of the flower goes missing you could put the so if so some of the goes missing I'll put the on that we saw that brings every day we saw before that's how we start off the share holds that you have to put all the flour into one vessel and make it at one time. Argues since anyway he's going to be half and half. So he can make it half half. Let's just go into the reasoning here because he learns it from a half of it. In other words, first it should be a period. When you have the whole thing then you you chop it in half. But I have a big problem say that he should not bring it half in half. We should bring a whole which is the measurement and then cut it in half. I wouldn't know this. But since it says, I do know why. Because if he should bring a half a bag of flour in the morning, half a bag of then go back home and bring another half. He should bring the whole thing together from his house and then cut it in half. So what's the question? The question is how does say that he could be mikadesh? You could sanctify half and then another half. It says you have to bring the whole thing. That's how you do it. Says the one word this that it says that you should bring the whole thing in one shot. It means it's a better it's the better way to do it. It's the more way to do it. If you want to get the the the most out of the mitzvah, you you bring the bag of flour and you in one shot. However, if you didn't do it like that, you did it half and half, you're also like If you look at the here's the it says means like we know it's a rule you don't ask questions and there's no way around it anytime the says that's it says so therefore and we just said it says so you bring the entire thing and then cut it in half. So, how could you tell me, "Oh, it's it's it's in the first place. That's how you should do it." But if you if you went and you cut it in half, it's okay. It's not okay. It's you have to do it only one way. This is means when you bring it from your house to the it should be whole, should be one part, one piece. So this morning when I gave shir in Hebrew I'm like why who cares you bring what does a care how you bring the flour from your house from your pantry. So the the art scroll brings the Khaz I I looked it up now right before Shir and he says the says what it means I it's beautiful now what he means to say is that you should you should sanctify you should at least make it in one shot the lower level of then when you want to make it like um what's the what's the word um not kache kadesh kadash Basically, you want to make it the the highest level. That's not the right way to say it. I'm missing the word, but the highest level that you could already separate half and half, but when you're bringing it to to begin with, it doesn't mean bringing it in the uber to the means when you're sanctifying when you're making the first level of it should all be in one shot. And that's what the tell you. Don't break that up. the really say that when it comes to and that was the first line of the Gar that we learned that when the kind brings he can't break it up into two has to be in one in one piece it says if and this is referring to very important is referring to a regular not a regular a person wants to bring he wants to bring a gift to Hashem so he brings a bag a flower to the mid and he brought a half and he had in mind and he had intent and this is also yeah is all in the mind he had in mind to add he didn't bring the full he brought half so it's notes let's remember this ra says it's notes it is good if holds that the has to do everything in one chat how come he doesn't learn the regular from They have to do everything in one shot. How come over here when it comes to a private person, you can bring it in two in two in two pieces? Once again, we're going to that saw that we saw all the way in the top of two lines from the top this idea of I can't learn one thing from the other, which is puzzling because throughout the you barely ever see this idea in don't learn one thing from what do you mean don't learn one thing from the other? That's the whole we're learning one thing from the other. But anyway in we don't learn one thing from the other maybe what are you asking me learn from from that you cannot that you cannot divide it and you also can't divide it maybe I don't learn from check this out once again this is a this is a chart that we used before we're going to use it again where do you now is part of category of kachimum the lighter category. So lighter category you could check it in the north and the south part of the in other words in the entire blue square. What happens he took it into the reserved for special occasions for the every day for the every day for the onas. He goes and brings who up the inside kosher or not kosher it is kosher and he uses logic logic it says at the entrance who this blue dotted line is not as the red what's all the way at the end of the red say all the way at the end so it's like you go from that zor very holy going into the holy holy and the only is the holy is the holy. So if in the so many people want to say that even if you like the if it's kosher in that certainly in the I'm learning one area from another area. If it's good in area blue, it's also good in area red. So that's learning one thing from another. You just told me you don't think you don't learn one from another. So you know why over here when a person has a mind to bring another half of a half a bag of flour from his house to add to his okay because he had a mind to do it. It's not that he's adding another. While he had the half the first half he said I'm going to have another half. So that's that's as if he had the whole thing. So it actually becomes even before he added it. Just the thought alone is enough to make it okay famous right say we all know yeah that the vessel of flour has to be completely full. I once heard I have no idea who said it, but he said, "How come this vessel that we fill the flower in did a whole calculation that it's worth about close to $10,000 in today's value? What about the flower inside the vessel? 50 yet the says is like very full. It's the whole thing. He said, "You know why? Because money is really just a way to get to the mitzvah. The whole thing is to show you." Yeah. Yeah. You have to spend $10,000, but at the end of the day, it's for what? For the for the mitzvah that only that's only a dollar. It says over here aim has to be whole. Now, if you look in the parenthesis, Anybody that learns gimmar knows that this is not gimmar language. This is like literally like I don't even know if wrote wrote this. And that's why there's so many of these parentheses all over and takes them all out. When do you need a full vessel all the way to the top of flour when you don't have intent to fill it up? But let's say your bag ran out. Yeah. You had a half a bag of flour and it went up to here. So you went to the closet in the B should bring in more flour. So it's as you put in the first part. Second partes. You don't have to wait till the second part. Why? Because you have intent to fill it up. You kadesh. as you put it in it becomes now remember like just seven lines up says that by a regular not by the regular Mr. Israel comes to mid with a half a pound of flour. They saw it's not enough. You have to go home bring more. So he goes home brings more. Is that okay or not? Was it kadesh the first half that he put into the to the kadesh or not? So Rav says no not kadesh. What about what does Rav hold when it comes to the when the takes his and breaks it in half? He does he pours half the flour for the morning and then he pours half the flour for the afternoon. Is that or not? Is it the same thing as a regular says what does he hold? He holds that half and half is good. He just holds that by regular is not good. How come he doesn't hold that you learn a regular from the half and half is good? If this is the third time we're seeing this, maybe he'll say I don't learn a regular from the I could take flour put it into a vessel and becomes kesh even though I didn't add the oil yet even though it needs oil because that's how I found by the breads the breads upon bread in they don't have oil what without the frankincense it would come without the frankincense why because that's what I see by a carbon that has to you have to bring a with the carbon it works what if it doesn't have oil and frankincense This just has flower. It also becomes you see that Rav does learn one thing from the other. So if Rav would learn one from the other and he holds by that he could split it in half. So he should hold the same thing by regular. You can split in half. You can bring it two different times. How come Rav says that by regular you can't break it up into two? Obviously obviously old you cannot break it into half by when it comes to and so too you can't break it in half by regular we just said I'm telling it's easy stuff here not like these complicated or whatever cool stuff says that a becomes you put the flour into a vessel even without oil becomes found by even without the frankincense We just read it. I'm reading it fast. We found this by the the sinners. He doesn't bring he doesn't bring and it becomes the oil. Just the oil itself becomes without and the becomes without the oil. Each one becomes by itself. Where where do you where do you need oil that should become that where do you see that becomes by itself? We find that we know that one of the processes of what becomes you take the blood from you put on his finger on his thumb you put on toe. So too with oil toe you put the rest on his head the whole thing on his ear. You find that becomes by itself on the but over there this bread. Okay. But the main thing is in the no. The only way becomes kadesh. Listen to this. You need all three ingredients. When you have three ingredients, you need all three ingredients together to become kadesh. You need to pour the oil, the flour, and the lev all into one bucket into one bowl. Then you can make it kadesh. If you just put the flour by itself doesn't become kadesh. Just the oil by itself doesn't become now. Why in the world do you need a special vessel called isarin to be holy? If this vessel of isarin doesn't create for the flower on its own because you need the oil and you need the leav in order to make a kadesh. So then why does the why does the is vessel that measures flour why does it have to have any at all? The little guy, the little is guy has in other words came with oil, anointed this clay. He took a a simple clay and he poured special oil that he had and he made this vessel kadesh. That what every time you put something in it, it creates gusha to that thing. But for what purpose? What flower needs to be kadesh? Flour by itself cannot have according to according to the other we saw. Yes, it has by itself. You need to add the oil. You need to add the leav you're not adding the levine and the oil into that is just one one tight measurement of flour. Says the simple answer we're just going to skip the parenthesis. Yeah, there is one for the sinner that has zero oil, zero and all it has is flour and that needs. So that's why and why does the vessel that golden vessel that that holds it also measures of why does it need if according to you have to add the she together with the flour because there is one case of that needs oil without anything else and that needs to be so now we have a from that for whatever reason it's just interesting how he's very talented our guy in the AI department made a whole video on this. So let's see we'll see the then you'll understand the video says he also agrees with this when you have a a vessel a measuring cup that's designed for liquids so any liquid that goes into it becomes kadesh what liquids do we have in the base of we have oil we have wine and we have water so those things become and any measuring device that's designed specifically with demarcations let's say of dry cuz you know like we have liters and ounces and milliliters we have certain things that are designed for liquid and we have what do we have for for uh we have pounds and what else do we have grams certain things that are more for salads yeah I think we have the same thing in in uh in our days as well right we would have different measurements for liquids and for salads so you have You would have special measuring devices in the mdish for liquids and special measuring devices for salads. Now the question is what if you decided to measure solids like flour in a measuring cup that was specifically for liquids? Does it work? Does it give us? He says no. No. If it's designed for liquids, it cannot give any to dry goods. and and a measuring device for the dry goods cannot give to the liquids. Here comes this only for liquids in the when they receive the blood out of the animal's neck. They would take it in a mis which is a cone-shaped device which was designed that you cannot put it down. Since the bottom is is pointy, you can't put it down. If you put it down, it would spill. They didn't want the kayan to put it down. They didn't want it to rest. They didn't want the blood to congeal. So he says that k which is actually a cle, it's a vessel that that that uh contains usually blood which is liquid. Now if you put some flour in it, it would become kadesh. Brings the What do you bring me? But a is actually considered liquid. Why? I don't know how you would view it. What do you view dough? Is dough a liquid or a salad? >> Most of you say salad. >> What? >> No. Right. So, it could be that in the B there's so much oil because they put three three oils on the bottom, on the top, and then afterwards they mixed again. So, maybe was more of a liquid. But the understand it's a liquid. that in fact in the even if you're going to mix it up, you don't have great mixing devices. You're mixing it by hand. So, you're always going to have like a a lump of flour somewhere, you know, that didn't get that liquid in there. And that didn't become What are you telling me? That the dough is liquid. And if it's liquid, you could put it into a liquid measuring device and should give it. But guess what? In every mood, there's lumps here and there. And they don't have to be very large lumps, very small lumps. You know, 10 10 uh what's how do you say gear in English? >> 10 grains of flour. Who said that? You really, huh? So 10 grain, whatever a small little lump, but it doesn't have the liquid in it. So that that wouldn't give it. So it wouldn't become because it's in a in a liquid measuring device. So he says like this, first of all, you cannot view this that has a lot of water in it. It's very liquidy as liquid because there's parts of it that are not liquid. Second of all, at the end of the day, and this you'll see all the way at the end of the video, blood in a in a slurping machine. Oh, you have to do the sponsors. He's telling me see on the you're able to see behind the scenes. So, blood is very liquidy and dough is not liquidy as liquidy as blood. So yes, it might be you could consider it a liquid, but it's not liquid when you compare it to blood. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.