CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 70 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> I hold THE OKRA BOYS LIVE IN LIVE IN HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA. All right, here we go. The boys are holding on like 10 lines from the bottom and fuzzy. Got it? >> [clears throat] >> 11 lines from the bottom. Boy of Sherman and fuzzy. She boils shall have you slush hide in the back corner. You have wheat that grew a third and typically speaking in chas a third is considered that's it. It's already a fruit. It's already a produce. It's a product. She boils shall have you slush hide in the corner. Back corner. So once again, we're talking about spheres talking about the minchas omer. It's the young and the young coming up. The second day of Pesach we bring a carbon omer. And that allows us to eat the old crop. So the question is do we go by the stalk the original wheat that already is motor to eat or since you replanted in the ground and new stuff grew out of that original wheat do we go by the new crop by whatever it is the new grains that came out. I don't know about this but I don't want to ruin it for now. It's for the next sugar. Perhaps you can bring a rye out from this case. Y'all those sick of the skin of a pair of us. So let's talk a second about our cover just a real quick. When you take a branch from another tree and you graft it into a different tree. So it's two trees coming together. That's what the basically is talking about. One tree is our law. It's a younger tree. It only let's say it's two and a half years old and it comes with fruit. That's how you graft. Okay? So now in our case, we take a a tree that has fruit that's also to eat. Also by now it's our law. And you attach the tree that's motor to eat its fruit. A ball pairs and on the branch there's fruit. I feel like it's my sign also. Even if you get 200 times the amount the fruit grew 200 times. Let's say it started out with a little tiny dot and it grew into a giant pomegranate. 200 times the size also. You're not allowed to eat it. So what do you see? You see that we go by the original. So you have that that stalk and the original stalk became motor. So we're going to allow you to eat the rest the rest of the fruit even though you replanted it and more fruit grew on it. Why? Because I see from our law Yeah, yeah, but the by by our law by our law we say it's also that we go by the original. So over here we're going to go by the original say it's motor. The two different things. One is a coma, one is a cooler. >> [clears throat] >> Good. I don't understand the question. I don't know what my name is but I don't know what I'm saying. Another rye. You take a an onion she shots like the camera. You did something called camera clear camera. It's where you plant well, the worst thing is to plant wheat. But even other tonight say that even if you plant an onion together with the grapes it's also to eat it. So you you you planted it in a vineyard. The nectar camera there's no more vineyard. I feel like it's my sign also. So even if the the onion continued to grow even 200 times the size it's still also. So you go by the original. So the camera not a rye. He goofed up my boiler. That that's exactly what the question. Misha she the ruler of the sacred lean on. Do I say I'm 100% certain that I go by the original lotion of the cooler lotion of the coma. You see by Hadash I want to say it's a cooler. I want to say you could eat it. Lotion of the coma and by our law I say you cannot eat it. But it's the same idea. I'm going on the one hand if I go by the original by our law I'm going by the original. So it's a two and a half year old branch. So I cannot eat the fruit. And if I go by Hadash it's Yoshan. This yeah? It's a stalk that was from before Pesach and it already saw the carbon omer. So it's motor to eat from that stalk. So now whatever grows out of that stalk is motor to eat. It's the same idea. I'm going by the original. The most I put in the cooler. Perhaps I have a sofa. Well the camera in the cooler I mean I'm going to tell you by our law don't eat it. But by Hadash I'm also going to tell you don't eat it. I have to be mock mirror. Take cool. Okay? So you have a bunch of interesting questions today. Boy leaning on my sermon. This idea if you apply this to my sermon what's the law that what they get up. Duff I don't know what that was. He going down dinner with a sweet over stuff leaning over a sea flow. >> [clears throat] >> You looked around you said okay I have probably 100 pounds worth of wheat. I'm going to give one pound. I'm going to give a little bit to the coin. I'm going to give 10% to the levy. I'm going to give 10 pounds to levy. I'm leaning over a sweet over stuff leaning over. And after you took my sermon you went ahead and you took all that wheat and you planted it. And you see below and it grew more. If it's a low leaning over a secret. If we're going to go on the on the side of what we just learned that we don't go by the original. We go by the new stuff. With the seven by you say. So now you would have to give my sermon from all the new stuff. But the question is equal might. What about the original? The 10 pounds you set aside for the levy. You took those 10 pounds instead of giving to the levy you put it in the ground. The question is do we view the 10 pounds you put in the ground like the new stuff that grew? And now you have to take my sermon from whatever you're going to give to the levy you have to take my sermon that as well because it's like the new crop. Or we say no. I'm going to buy you my sermon you started out I don't understand every time you plant how do you plant how do you get wheat? You have to plant kernels. So it's different. You plant kernels and you take my sermon from everything including the kernels that you put in the ground. So over here also you took the 10 pounds that you're supposed to give the levy. You put in the ground. You should take my sermon from it. It's like a regular like regular seeds. I'm a lay. No. When you take seeds you put them in the ground. So of course you're going to take my sermon from those seeds because they decompose. It's supposed to decompose. My question really is by something like you took these stalks and you put them in the ground. They're not meant to decompose. My What's the law for that? Do I view it as something new and I have to take my sermon from it or it belongs to the levy and I don't take my sermon from it. This is the more to say my heart. I don't know what he's talking about right now. Literal bottle should take my straw. Here's a planter. Yeah? Let's see what he has there. Now the law is if there's no hole on the bottom so it's not part of the ground. If it has a hole in it then it's part of the ground. It's a big enough community. If it has a hole on the bottom then whatever grows in the planter is as if you you grew in the ground it's high in terms of my sermon the right side. If not then it might be like it's growing on the moon. It's growing in America. It's not it's not high in the same way. And there's different laws that actually we're going to touch some of the laws. What about client putting two two types two species of fruit together? What if they're in a planter? Is that what it's called? A flower pot a pot some sort of pot. Okay. >> [cough] >> So I'm a lay of the camera by you also not going to mow. Which the camera goes on to explain. You know what I know what I know what. If it doesn't have a hole on the bottom so then the here would be only the right one. So says the more no no no. I had a great question. Do more of a nick like comments. Maybe like in this video where the guy he first planted it. So it was any knock off. It would didn't really have a connection with the ground. But then he went ahead and he drilled a hole in the bottom. From that moment on we're going to consider it as if it took root. That has Russia. It's rooted. I'm a lay of what? Huh? And now the question is do I go from that point on and everything in the pot is take my sermon etc. Or not? So the more of the three of you. The pot was you only planted once. It wasn't you did one and then another one. It was one one seeding but you made a hole in the bottom. The more of Now, right now, yeah, you're right. Now, it just right right now took root, so to speak, because I made the hole in the bottom of the pot. At that moment, it took root in the actual ground. But the other case, we're talking about two complete It grew. You chopped it down and then you planted it again. It's the second time, so it's different. She boils She miruach but keri. So, you know, miruach means this. Just going to show you we I showed a few times already, but why not? There's a older one older version of miruach. Miruach means to smooth out the pile of grain. And once you smooth it out, that's the gemara melacha. That's At that point, you're chayav in trumah and ma'aser. So, she boils She miruach but keri. Listen to this story. He takes this stuff that you see on the screen and he instead of eating it, he puts it in the ground. He re- plants it. He goes ahead and he says, "Oh, everything I just planted is considered trumah." Now, at this point, when he just smears the top, he smooths out the top, at that point, it became chayav in trumah and ma'aser. So, therefore, it's chayav in trumah and ma'aser in the ground and he says that it's trumah. Poof! It just became kodesh. It just became trumah underground. It's a big problem. The gemara is going to say, "How did How in the world we don't have a case where something in the ground could become trumah?" You just created a case that something's in the ground that could be trumah and we know that it's not possible. Once he did the miruach, he smooth out the top, it became something that tevel, which is chayav in trumah and ma'aser. Kikar lo shem. Once you say that it's trumah, kodesh lo, became trumah. Ad ilman o, kivan dishasha lo, perhaps once you plant it, poka le tevel minah. At that moment, the tevel expires, it pops out It It pops out. It goes away and it's not chayav in trumah anymore. Amar Rabbi Elazar bar Abba bar Abba, if you are right that it's trumah and it's in the ground, em kem matzinu trumah bemekhuveret leka'arka? Now, I have a situation where produce in the ground is chayav in trumah. Ushnan lo metzinu a braisa that says there's no such thing. I say braisa, the Chazon Ish says it's a braisa. It's impossible. So, meila, has to be that it's poka. That even though it's tevel, but when you put tevel in the ground, it becomes seeds. It It loses the name food and it's not chayav in trumah and ma'aser. It says it's There's a braisa that says there's no such thing as trumah attached to the ground. Ki tanya hi, there's certain things that even though they're attached to the ground, like kilayim, they're attached to the ground, but they're assur. That That's what the assur is. But trumah is a gift that you give to the kohen after you go through a whole process and after you finish the melacha, you you smooth it out. So, obviously, it's not attached to the ground. So, how do you have here a situation where something's attached to the ground and it's chayav and it's considered trumah? Amar Rabbi Ketaniahi minyan chayav misvat chamesh. This braisa is talking about a person who eats trumah that's attached to the ground, you're not chayav misah, you don't have to give a chamesh. This is also something you could ask people in shul. What does chamesh mean? What does chamesh mean? Chamesh means a fifth. How much is a fifth? Fifth is how much? 25%. Very good. Milbar, milgav, those who do the shiur know. Great. In our days, it's called 25%. Time of the gemara is called 20%. Detolash ve'ochal o tolshu. Because if you grab it out of the ground, you ate trumah. Sorry. Detolash, if you if you take something off the ground, how did you eat it? There's only two ways you can eat something that's in the ground. You cut it and you ate it. The other way is So, wait a minute. If you cut it and you ate it, then it's not attached to the ground. So, you're not chayav. The other way to do it is bend down, get on all four, and eat it right off the ground. What are you laughing? Bigochin ve'ochal. If you get down on all four and you eat it, or you could also go over to a tree and eat an apple that's attached to the tree. Botel da'at achal adam. So, there's there's a special halacha when it comes to a kosher bird. Nivlas oif v'ator. The eggs that are inside this chicken. What's the halacha? Beitzim divlas oif v'ator. Miktzasam bachutz. The egg that's outside of the body, umiktzasam bifnim. And there's some eggs that are inside the body. The The ones that are inside the the chicken, so it's the same halacha as the chicken. If you eat the chicken, then you become tamei, your clothing becomes tamei. Uvachutz emitamei begod meisa uliya. >> [snorts] >> Oh. Going to show you a very vulgar video. So, what do you see over here? Over here, this is the only way to eat the eggs, to get the egg the inside egg, is to eat it directly from the chicken. So, he opens up the chicken and he He puts his face into the chicken and eats the egg. Isn't that botel da'at achal adam? Isn't that a little strange? He's a strange guy. He's socially off. So, he's socially off. Why? Why is it any different than a guy that bends down on all four and eats the the grass straight out? The The The The The tvo'ah. Says the gemara, "Oh, tolush, avidinshu d'achli hachi." Since these eggs are considered movable items, that sometimes people stick their head into that chicken and eat the eggs. The guy was enjoying today. This is good stuff. If you enjoy that, then you could you could understand the video that I'm about to show you. But grass, wheat that's attached to the ground, no no no no no. Lo avidinshu Nobody bends down like that and eats it. Amar Rabbi Yochanan bar Kish na'amah Shmuel. This is our last sugia before the easy easy gemara. Amar Rabbi Yochanan bar Kish na'amah Shmuel. Hazore'a kilayim be'otzei she'eino nakuv. If you plant two species in a planter that doesn't have a hole in it, it's not connected to the ground, assur. It's assur here. Let's take a Here we go. Okay, wheat and tomatoes. Assur. Says Abaye, "I don't understand the chiddush here." Malkus. When Rabbanan give malkus, if you do something that's similar to what it says in the Torah, they'll give you malkus. It's called makas mardus. It means that they they put you in in in your place. They They They mechanech you. Doesn't mean that they'll give you 39. Whatever the number is. One, two, but they they give you a little patch and they say "You don't do it like this." Now, if you're telling me that the halacha that we're coming to tell you this halacha that you get malkus, shafir. That's great. Ela assur, just to tell me that I did that this is assur. This what you see on the screen is assur. Mai kamasha o kind of chiddush is that? Did the Rabbanan say that you tell me that this is considered planting midirabanan? Tanina. This we learned already. Tzarah mish'eino nakuv, ala nakuv. If you try to take trumah from a planter that doesn't have a hole in it, trumah. It's trumah midirabanan. The yaziv yeitav. So, you see that the Rabbanan hold that this is considered planting. And if they hold it's considered planting, then you just planted kilayim and you deserve patch. So, that must be the chiddush. The chiddush is that you get makas mardus. Not that it's assur. You get makas mardus. Great. Okay, zokef lemiyisha. So, we have the chamishas minei dagan. We have the five types of grain. You have wheat, se'orim is barley, kusmin is spelt, v'shibolet shual. Just this morning, my daughter-in-law asked my wife. I heard I overheard them. I'm like, I learned this in the morning. I heard them I heard her asking, "Is are oats chametz?" So, here, it's in the mishna of our mishna today. V'shibolet shual, oats. V'shifin. Does anybody know what shifin is? What does it say by you? In the Does it say rye by you? Rye. These are all These are all grains that if you make [snorts] a dough out of it, you have to give some to the kohen. You have to give challah to the kohen. Umitztarfim zeh im zeh. So, in order to give challah, we said you have to give approximately 5 lb, let's call it. 43 eggs, 2.2 kilo. So, let's say you have Um let me ask you something. It says it start from You read the mission start from there. So, let's say you take wheat and you take rye. Do they combine? It says it start from it they combine with each other. So, the answer is no. That combination doesn't. But, there are other combinations that do. So, we're going to have to see the tomorrow. It's also to eat all these five grains before you bring the If it didn't take root, you planted, it didn't take root, now you have to wait a full year until you can eat it. Says the kind of cosman min chitim. Cosman are a type of wheat. So, what does that mean? Here, let's look at our chart here. We have cosman is spelt. Spelt and wheat are the same thing. So, I did this just to give it a little bit of a These two are are a are a pair. These two combine cuz the mission says they combine with each other. It only means these two combine with each other and the other three combine with each other. You get it? Because it has to be similar to wheat. The other three are not similar to wheat. The other three are similar to barley. So, they're similar to barley. That's why those three combine with each other. They're a team. There's two teams here basically. Kind of cosman min chitim. Period. She The min siren. What's the doing here? Why is it telling me? Oh, these these two go together. These three go together because to tell you that when the mission says that everything is them there, it means within your team. It's there. Cosman talks talks about cosman that it might be it might it might go on both teams. Okay. Cosman gulba I love Rashi here. Look at Rashi. Does anybody see what I see in Rashi? Gulba? Huh? No. Spelt. Spelta. Yeah. Yeah, spelt. She find whatever in French. I don't know. Find out what it's called today in French. She find this raw. She find this raw. The it's like it looks like a tail of a of a fox. She find this raw. Says the raw. Honey in or is it raw? It's only these five grains, but when it comes to rice and millet No, they're not from the five grains. Says the we learn from the mission. We got it right. How do we know that applies to the five grains? I did skip? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz we got it right. That empty doesn't say the the word huh? It's terrible. Okay, no, it does say in my but they're not Okay, fine. But, not immediately. I'll say for you. It's only the five grains it's only the five grains and that's the The five grains applied to not rice and millet. The lift timer or this raw. That what? That we do that you it's also for you to reap the five grains not only barley cuz we would think it's only barley. Do you know how to reap until you bring the which No, it's all five grains. You know what I mean? This is racist. This is raw. Ma Oh, so we learn from that all five meaning are also What does it mean before the Every Every armor So, we have How how long have we gone already? So, we'll stop over here unfortunately cuz we're getting it's late. Have a good week. Have a good You should try for coming. Have a wonderful day. Merit this class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.daf.com