CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 64 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning, Rabbi boys. Hi. We're in the middle of a Sugya. We're in the middle of a Sugya. The what? Rebbi Shmuel, the first thing Rebbi Shmuel says in the in the beginning of the perek is that when you bring the Omer on Shabbos, you have to treat it differently than if you do it in the weekday. On Shabbos, you can only reap three three sa'ah. Whereas in the weekday, it's five sa'ah. Three versus five. You have to treat Shabbos differently. You have to be mema'et bemelacha. And the Gemara says, maybe Rebbi Shmuel is like Rebbi Shmuel ben Brocha. No. So, maybe Rebbi Shmuel has the same halacha. We're going to try two more times now. Ela Amar Rava. Rebbi Shmuel bar Rebbi Chanina is Gadol Hakohenem Amar Rebbi Dovid bar Yochai. Rebbi Chanina is Gadol Hakohenem. The one who's the second in command of Kohanim. Seems like he was for many many Kohanim Gedolim, this guy. Cuz every year, another Kohen, at least every year. And he's always this guy for many years. He's in the Mishna, actually. He said something very similar to Rebbi Shmuel. It's not Rebbi Chanina is Gadol Hakohenem Amar Rebbi Meir. Beshabbos nitzav beyachid. Bemagalah uvakupa. He says, on Shabbos, you have to treat Shabbos differently. Just like Rebbi Shmuel says, he treats Shabbos differently. You go from three from five sa'ah in the weekday, you only you only reap three sa'ah. And again, just to remind Olam, three sa'ah gives you very very good flour, but not the best. Five is the best. Three is 98%, not 100. But it's very good. And you have to work harder. You have to sift it more, the Gemara said. Said Rebbi Chanina is Gadol Hakohenem Beshabbos nitzav beyachid. Only a single person reaps it bemagalah uvakupa. sickle with kupah achas and one box. Uvechol, but in the weekday it's with three people and three boxes. And in the weekday it's with three three three. Three people, three boxes, three sickles. Snew, you see the Shabbos is treated differently. And say, you're right, the number is three, but there's no difference between weekday and Shabbos. It's always three three three. When you can do with one person, there's no need to ask three people to do the one person does the Shabbos. One person goes and calls it's enough. You don't need three three people. How can I mean given the actual so over here also if you can do it with three saw, why why do five saw? It seems like the same exact law. And they're going to do the same thing again. No, the trick is to see why the two are different from two different angles. By the five saw versus the three saw on Shabbos, maybe said it. You know why? There's no gain, there's no no advertising here. You're not you're not advertising anything. Brought the yesterday with so again. The says it's fine because it's Shabbos. That the like the they say that is only done on a Sunday. So we want to tell the the world no, it's done on a Monday and on a Tuesday. How do I tell the world? If one person does it, it's not enough. Three people, like in a you know, but get the three people is always a coil. People know it's to tell the world, "Hey, we did the on a Tuesday, not not on a Sunday." I will also think you presume it's so. And we got one maybe admits that you need three people to to reap it and three sickles and three boxes. Is this why you're going that way? In our view, we could say the opposite. Another svar the other way. What difference does it make if one person reaps the three sa or three people reap the three sa? At the end of the day, there's going to be an omer the same exact way. It's going to be the same flower, the same everything. But if you do three sa versus five sa, there's an af kemina between three and five. We said five is slightly better than three. Especially according to Rashi that the it's the goes by the first flower that comes out. So the first there's more first flower that comes out of five and it's the valid of flower better than three. So so it's like a a khumra, it's a better product for the govia. We want to sell it for a better product all the time. We're going to see soon. If you have a better animal, you shuck it again on shabbos. Uh but you already have one. Why do you make it on shabbos? No, I need a better animal. So maybe there's a svar to say reap five sa and not three sa. Amo carbon it's really El amor avashi Rebi Shmuel, okay. Another try. This didn't work out well for us. We're going to do it again. El amor El amor avashi Rebi Shmuel. Rebi Shmuel in the mishnah who says that on shabbos you have to treat shabbos differently than a weekday. That on a shabbos you only take three sa and on a weekday five sa. Rebi Yosi Rebi Yosi who talks about kiddush levana on the double it's the same alacha. This not. And over here they're going to do the same thing. It seems like the same alacha but perhaps there's ways to differentiate the alachas. This not on page near by or bench near by. We know the alacha is that when you witness the new moon, you have to run to the bazdin and tell them you have to go to Yerushalayim and tell them. So we we could be in kadosh there's no there's no calendars in those days. You have to be in kadosh khodesh. So they're running to to to Besan. Now, it's interesting. You get on the Egged bus, you go from the Temple in Jerusalem, and the entire bus is full of people just like you. You all have to go. Everybody has to go. But, you all saw the same moon. Doesn't matter, you go. But, it's Shabbos. Today Shabbos. What do you do on Shabbos? Ben Ish near Baalil, whether there are no clouds, no clouds, the whole world saw it. You're not the only one doing Kiddush Levana. Everybody did it. Or Ben Ish near Baalil, and if I haven't just done Kiddush Levana, you all saw the Levana. Or Ben Ish near Baalil, it was a one of these cloudy days and you happen to be staring staring and all of a sudden there was a a little gap over there and you saw it. And maybe you were the only person that saw this. Machalel of a Shabbos. Even though many people saw it and they all did it's a clear sky and everybody saw it, you also, you're not a you're not a the the special person. You have to go on Shabbos. But, see I mean no no says no. And that is similar to in our Mishnah. That Shabbos is different. In near Baalil, if there's no clouds, you saw clearly in a Shabbos. Because the other people, why should you go on a bus on Shabbos to the Besan? Since you can get the flower that you need from three saw, why why do the extra and reap five saw? And do the five saw and do do the dish saw and the and the it doesn't make sense, he says. Don't be on Shabbos. You're my So, how do we differentiate this? There's no concern about tomorrow. If you tell the guy do three saw versus five saw, nothing's happening next year. You marshal a person in the future. Why? You tell him don't go. Today don't go, so tomorrow he's also not going to go. Tomorrow he's going to see the moon and he's the only one that saw it and he's not going to go. Tell him go on Shabbos. No. You know me I don't know maybe yeah. Maybe you maybe you'll agree in that case. When it comes to the moon you didn't accomplish anything cuz 100 other people came and the moon is going to be when it is. So there's no special thing for the you don't push off Shabbos for that. But over here there is a special thing. You're actually creating better flower for the base hamikdash. There's a there is a need for it. So maybe you should reap five and not three. All right. So here we go. A new It might. Thanks for bringing it up. You have a Shabbos Rosh Chodesh. You think that you're allowed to do five saw because it's you're doing something special. You're you're actually you're helping out the base hamikdash. You're making a better product. By the by the not so much carbon and not carbon, but okay. Like Rosh Chodesh It might lose you a brand new show you got to see what person went ahead and checked it. Rashi says he did it by mistake. He thought you need two for Shabbos Rosh Chodesh. But he thought he at the end of the day he only need one and he checked it two carbons. So at the time that he checked it two carbons at the time of the he's doing something bad. Something that he would require us. Cuz you only need one, you don't need two. Omar Raba to me R'ami. So You Kadosh of a Teba. Kadosh of a Teba. So, Raba and over here you see the name R'ami. It's important to remember this. Some people say it's R'ami, some people say it's Raba. Of course he put on the first one because that you need a first one. On the second one you you yourself Kadosh for bringing a second Kadosh where it was not necessary. Even if it turns out that the blood of the first one that say spilled you had to come on to the second one. This is a big issue over here. Uh we're getting there. You have on the second one even though it turns out that what you did was a great thing. This is going to go away from. Even though it turns out that the first one is 100 lb and you found a 500 lb animal that is a fat animal that is perfect for the base of a good dose. You still have on the second one. There's a There's a There's a possible the famous possible that don't bring a crucial bring a Would you bring this to your regular ruler in your city? No. So, the person is You always have to bring the good one. Nevertheless, since at the time of the you didn't know what you were doing you did it What you did was the that is a but you have a Kadosh. You can't undo that by by future information. As we are about to see. Raba says opposite. Kadosh Kadosh If you have why if you take if you take the larger better animal you have to first you and then you took the skinny animal. So, obviously what you did was terrible. So, you have a Kadosh. But what if you did the case that we're talking about? Kusha. It was the skinny animal first but I got shmayna and then the larger givalda guy animal. Patris is rabba. And we just said that rabba says you have a higher if you start with the skinny one and then you go to the the the the shmayna. Patris. We said before higher but now you say patris. If you came to ask the besdin they would say go ahead do a second shrita on shabbos so you have a better animal. Yeah, it's a big kiddish. You mikhal shabbos for an addition additional kiddusha. We have we yaitza. No, there's no yaitza and you just got to realize I don't know yaitza. Even the better the better one be mikhal again. You both say ma. So the gomorrah says you're right. It's such a bomb question. Rabba actually says that if you if you start out with a bad animal you could go and had feel a shakta good animal. I we said before you can. Semi kushma kamai so you got to get rid of that. You never said that. We both say my Rabbi Ami Amar. I told you remember remember his name. It says Rabbi Ami Rabbi Ami. That some people say it in the name of Rabbi Ami. Yeah, you're right. It was Rabbi Ami not Rabba. Okay, Rabba himself says that if you do if you shakt a weaker animal and then they bring a givalda guy animal in front of you do the givalda guy animal. Only Rabbi Neler Rabbi Ashi. >> [clears throat] >> It gets better. It's gishmak. Nintzis shoyna kushma minayna ayi mau. You shakt you thought you shakt in a nice fat animal. Then you went and shakt let's say you shakt in a 500 pound animal. And then you went and shakt in another 500 pound animal. So the second animal that you shakt in was momish shkilo shabbos at the time that you shakt in it. But when you opened up the kishkas you saw it's full of hot air. You opened up the animal the first one wasn't a 500 pound animal it's full of garbage in there. It's full of mud. It wasn't It wasn't It was It weighed 500 lbs cuz it's it's I don't know what. You You find out it's a terrible animal once you open it up. The second animal is the real good animal. But at the time of shchita, you had no idea. You don't have radar. You don't have x-ray vision. You didn't know what it was. But later on, you found out that what you did was a good thing. You actually It was a good thing that you shchita'd the second one. So, what's the question? Basar machshavto l'ino, do we go by his thought? The guy really shchita'd kamachavin and the guy wanted to do an issur, maybe b'shogeg, but it was an issur. Or dilma b'asur ma'aseh l'ino, do we go by his [clears throat] actions? Amaleila d'Rabbah v'Rova. It is another ma'aseh d'Rabbah case. There's a machlokes Rabbah v'Rova. But what did matter? >> [cough] >> Shomair shetova tinok b'yam. There's a baby that l'o l'o l'ino drowned and they're looking They're searching for the baby. >> [snorts] >> U'poras metzudah dog, this guy is they say in Hebrew a dish. How do you say it in English? Apathetic. Oh, there's a baby drowning. Let me go fishing. Takes out his thing and he goes fishing. Avada it's on Shabbos. Shomair shetova tinok b'yam. U'poras metzudah l'ha'alos dogim v'he'elah dogim, chayav. So, there's a kid drowning and instead of helping the the search, he goes and he and he and he and he tries to trap fish on Shabbos. And he actually uses He was He was successful. V'he'elah dogim chayav is chayav. L'ha'alos dogim v'he'elah dogim, v'it yeino like if his intent was to to to catch fish and he actually He was matzliach in getting the saving the child. Maybe something like this happened. It's a tinok. Rabbah mekayev. Rabbah mefater. That can Rabbah like hold So, we have machlokes. Because at the end of the day when he put in his net, he saved a human life. Mamesh kol hamatzil nefesh achas miYisrael. Rabba says he's chayav still. Why? Because his intent was bad. V'Rabba omer patur. Vat can Rabba omer patur? The only reason why Rabba says patur, al kein nishama merina datina, subconsciously he heard it, and subconsciously he thought to himself, "Oh, you know what? Maybe I'll be lucky, I'll get the the baby also." Aval lo yishama lo. L'chayera if you didn't hear anything about it, and you just so happened to be lucky that the first animal was a terrible the innards are terrible, so you they needed your animal. For that you're not patur for chill Shabbos? V'kidan hi. And this is what we pass in halacha over here. Omer lei nishmata d'Rabba v'Rabba. This mamesh machlokes d'Rabba v'Rabba. D'itmar, shomaya sh'avatinu b'yam, if you heard that a baby is drowning or a person is allowed to dog him or dog him. You put out your net to catch fish, not the baby, and you got fish, chayav you chayav for chill Shabbos. L'halacha is dog him or dog him. But, if you try to get fish and you brought up a baby and fish, Rabba omer patur, v'Rabba omer chayav. Why? Rabba omer patur zil basa ma'aseh, and this is what we go like halacha, this is what we pass in like. We go by the person's action. Says Rashi, even if he didn't hear, he didn't hear that there's a baby. He went to be mechallel Shabbos, and by mistake he saved a human life. So, he's patur. He's patur because we go by the action. Says Rav Zalman Auerbach. So, a male of a guy breaks into a car on Shabbos, breaks into a car, not on Shabbos. Breaks into a car, breaks the the ignition and the and this. And at the end of the day, he ended up saving the kid's life, so he doesn't have to pay for the car. Zil basa ma'aseh. V'Rabba omer chayav zil basa machshavah. And Rabba says we go his thought his thought process was to steal his thought process was to be Shabbos. So, the fact that he saved a human life you still hire but we pass it like rubber. Look at the we go by the action. Omar another one. There's a sick person and they said oh in order for him to live he needs one fig. The road to a new Adam and 10 different people started running. And all 10 of them brought a fig. They all brought it. They're all part of not only the potter. They get tremendous sugar on it. Even if they each one came in at a different time. I feel the even though the guy is super healthy now they're all part of By rubber the rubber says the case very very look at this. You have they said a sick person needs to eat the two the two figs. And these two figs you have to you have to reap two. You have to pull them two or you can do this. One one is going to be three. One mice you give it one pull. Which one should you do? The problem is the makes sense one. Why not? Oh but there's a issue to be mice of on the food. If you have a head to let's say to cook one steak for a sick person Shabbos you not allowed to throw in a second one. I the pot is already boiling and everything is happening. You already cooking so you put two what's a big deal? No that's also. So over here you being mice of you only needs two you add it. I think everybody's going to know the answer to this but that that's the question. The just to to explain the other side. You have it's It's attached two times, or the or three on one stem. Do you have any idea which one do you bring? Do you bring two because that's what's right? Or you do three because it it's less reaping. The less you have to cut, the better. Hello. The mission says you bring three saw for the not five because when you bring three, you're doing less reaping, less less everything. When you bring less less less figs, two versus three, come up show you're adding you're doing you're doing this. You're you're You're adding two two reaps, two whatever it's called, two whatever the word is. Harvesting. How do you say it in Hebrew? The fact that you should certainly should bring the three which is only one says the mission some are not red. Some some There's a mission to bring the the barley from very close to the The mission is going to explain why. If it didn't ripen the one in Jerusalem You can bring it from anywhere. does anywhere mean? Could you bring it from Russia? Russia has a lot of good barley. Has to be in only. You can go all the way to and bring from but initially it's better It's better from not only [clears throat] life closest to the mission. Here we're starting to I got it from here. My sister got the street from Once came from a very far place. No, no, I'm in the I'm in the Mishnah. Who was there because of Zoycher? And once it came from a very far place from Ein Zoycher. So the Gemara my time of why do you have to bring it from the close place? He came from Carmel. So this is interesting. Rashi says that the word Carmel is actually Here, Carmel, take a look. Take the word Carmel, you mix it up a little bit and it becomes rach umo or rachmo, meaning very soft and then it's it's it's it's uh it's flour. >> [clears throat] >> So if you bring it from a further place, it'll get hard on the way just from the from the air, from everything. We both say I wish I would have a mitzvah the famous halakha that when you when you have a mitzvah in front of you, you don't keep on going. Mice shabaim migage striphim. Don't worry about it. Kishit soru malchi base chashmonai always else this is a terrible story. It happens in the days of also when the the sons of a rebbe or the sons of a yeshiva, they for covered reasons they want to be the rebbe or the yeshiva and they start fighting with each other and it causes tremendous machlokes in Klal Yisrael. We have two two brothers, the the older one the bachur and the younger brother the younger brother said that his older brother is not right. Not right? I should be the king. So they're fighting over the malucha. Part of Klal Yisrael is inside the Yerushalayim behind the wall and the other side of the other part of Klal Yisrael is behind the wall. The brother Hurkanus was outside. This is the by loose within Whatever his name is, that is the by loose was in was inside Yerushalayim. Both Jewish armies. That was later. Later later later they brought the Romans in. That they later they asked the Romans to to make to to you know they asked the Romans to not make sure on the side. And once they brought the Romans into the side it's all over for class for cuz the Romans decided and they they took control and then the Jews rebelled against the Romans and then they had my advice. They would lower the money every single day. They needed the carbon timing. You can't live without a carbon timing. You can't live without the death. You have to pay for it every single day. He bought us there's a older person who knew the sign language of the language of the language he He did something to say in the and he told them cuz in they have to understand the ones that are outside wanted the carbon. They're also Jews. They wanted carbon timing. But this guy this told them Don't let them do the carbon if you don't if they don't do the carbon then they could fall. But as long as you're doing the carbon you're not going to be able to beat them. I don't know the story. He bought sent the money and instead they gave him a given halfway up the wall the sticks his paws into the into the wall. Then his Israel but that's when they said or you know bring up a hazard. The noise of the teacher's sons the the of the ones That's that's the time 63 BCE. The time of the came you bring the second day of Passover. They didn't know where to bring the the barley. Why didn't they know where to bring the barley? Because the the ones outside burnt all the barley. There's no barley. They burnt everything. A chrizu, so they said we need barley. Also, I will harsh a go there. There was a person who's a mute. He didn't know how to speak. And he gave them a sign. He put one hand on a roof and one hand on a hut. I'm a little Mordecai. So says Rashi, who's Mordecai? Mordecai is the famous Mordecai from the Megillah. The problem has is that this story happened in 63 BC, which is 2 300 years into the carbon into into the second base of Migdash. And Mordecai was like 95 years old says by the time by the time of the of his story of it. So basically he's like 3 400 years old at this point. So doesn't like it. Somebody else, but Rashi says it's Mordecai. Me doctor this makes so he says he was very smart. Mordecai he knew 70 languages. He understood different things. He says this guy is coming to tell us where to find barley. Me this make a guy and a guy. He put one hand on a roof, one hand on a on a hut. He's probably saying there's a is there a place like that? But yes, there's a place called 3 from. The same story happened which they have yet to make so they said they didn't know where to bring it from. A chrizu also the guy the same guy comes back. Always he had there he put his hand on his eyes but he had that on the on the you know on the door there's a little place for the lock to go in. It's not the means the on the door frame there's a little hole. I'm a little Mordecai. So this is according to everybody this is Mordecai from the Megillah. So maybe it's not the same cheresh. But I ask you who? And they found in fact this there was a place like that. Have a have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit to spread and in Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor.mdydad.com [music]