CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 63 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> GOOD MORNING RABBI YISRAEL. IF A PERSON SAYS I HAVE A MINCHA BUT notice that is a base here. Not a really machvas I really bimachvas the more says later makes an afikoman. One means the actual frying pan one means what you do in the frying pan. Machshas machshas is the deep one deep fried and the machvas is like we know today a flat frying pan. If he says bimachshas I want to bring so until now we know the difference between a machvas and a machshas is one has a lot of they have the same amount of oil but because it's a deep deeper pan so the oil stays in there and it it's more of a spongy kind of a mincha and the flat one where the oil burns out so becomes harder. That's how we always know. Now we're going to see something new that we haven't seen ever. >> [clears throat] >> Machshas yesh lo kisui. Rabbi Yisrael Glili says the machshas has a cover. It's a pot with a cover. Machvas ain lo kisui. It's the same idea I believe that when it has a cover the oil gets trapped inside the the klee so it's a it's a it's a softer bread. Machvas ain lo kisui when it doesn't have a cover so it evaporates becomes tougher. That's what Rabbi Yisrael Glili says. The machshas is deeper and the the oil like still you know like the the the the schnitzel the chasan the oil is still in there it's like you shaking around over there. Machshas roshe shin. Machvas tzofa the machvas is a shallower dish um machshas kashin. My time with Rabbi Yisrael Glili. So now the Gamorah just goes into where did he get this from? He lay them my my my chest does the answer who she alive. If my heart comes because of the inner thoughts, you you bring them on a double because you feel like you did something wrong to the inside your heart. Nobody knows about it. You had a bad thought. It looks like my heart was whispering something. So you see in the positive the idea what? Yeah. Yeah, it's quite Okay, you're right. The heart is covered. Just like your your heart is covered so to the pot is covered. Well, my heart was the answer my boy I bet. Whereas the frying pan comes for things that you speak out things you talk about other people in tree minute of the book here. Like a like a like a bark of a dog. It's a lotion of that comes out of the pit of the mouth. So my heart was the lotion of in my heart was maybe a my heart was is something hidden. The moment I base of why did you hide? The dryer. My heart is that who say in my heart because people say have a heart to say to say that his lips are are are whispering. So in other words, it come it came out. So you can go both ways. Each word can mean the same thing in a different way. And like Gamorah give me your love. We have a tradition that my heart is the deep pan and has a to say it has the the cover and according to the the my heart what I say my heart is open shallow my heart is deep with the the cover. >> [clears throat] >> My heart is my heart is my heart is my heart is my heart is my heart is my heart is My heart is the my heart is deep because it says in the positive by is heart is inside of my my sofa the my is narrow to see the old my class. It's on top of the frying pan. Turn around. If a person says the word, I don't know what he means. I'm going to bring you a my classes. So what are the options is what you're going to say in a second. Either he means I'm going to bring the I'm going to donate a frying pan. Now you're all thinking Well, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? The the the mincha. Why frying pan? But we're all wrong. At the end of the the is going to say the halacha when a person says my classes, it means a frying pan. The actual frying pan. Yeah, no look the base I mean this is a frying pan once in a while. You have to update and maybe that's what he meant. It goes by what the words what people mean. The glue He else from clinic who else you must say him. We have a sofa what he meant by the word my classes. Did he mean the actual vessel or did he mean what you make in the vessel? What is both? He only meant one. He could bring both but what you mean as the you know you can't be my friend. How can you be my friend? If he wants to, he can I guess. There's actually a vessel that is called a my classes. The help is so much. Now if you look inside the art scroll there's a very interesting picture. Here it looks like this. This is the picture from the art scroll. Why? Cuz Rashi says that it was it's the shape of a of a of a like um pliers. Tongs or whatever. The tongs he says. And it and it had on the bottom it had circles that the the dough would be indented into it. So, I asked the ocean if you can do something and maybe a little nicer. >> [music] >> The holes and everything. No, Rashi brings the word here. It's a funny word, glue on, which I know doesn't mean close pin. It means a glue on. I have no idea. Okay, the and when this dough in it, they don't make it a barosim. I'm making this up now. I'm just making it up. What does it mean a barosim? In my mind, I didn't see anybody that says it. In my mind, you know those apples that look like this? The bottom have like So, if you if you put dough into that shape, so you pull it out, it looks like that. Delicious apple. It's just I'm cuz I don't think it fits in there so well cuz it says which means acorns. So, Oh, maybe maybe the little the the circles on the bottom, the bumps are like acorns. Each one is the shape of an acorn. Okay. Vayomer Al mashumin kaylim. Say Bezalel, we're talking about the the the the vessels here. We're not talking about the type of bread. By my is the name of a cleat. It's like saying frying pan. First it says, I want to bring a frying pan to the Beis Hamikdash. In English. He said, I want to bring a frying pan. Does he mean the frying pan or does he mean the omelet you make in a frying pan? So, Bezalel means a frying pan. Frying pan is a frying pan. You said it. That's it. It it There's a thing called a There's a thing called a Even even in Hebrew, means a a pan, a frying pan. Doesn't mean the milk made in it. How much we pass it like Bezalel? So, what we thought what we thought is possible that he meant this. No, he means a pan. How do you have a tunnel the only Muffin Cooper. There's something called a tunnel. It's what they used to use in those days. It was very wide on the bottom, narrow on the top. And if a person says I want to bring a mincha in a tunnel in some sort of oven, you can't bring it in in a smaller Cooper. It's my colleagues. We're going to see in a second that we do this is Cooper is okay. Same idea, but it's smaller. The lawyer muffin and that bread made on tiles. No, they light a fire on the tile. Here's let me just show you what the picture as we're doing it. Here's the Cooper. No good. And this is all the sabbath it might be completely off. Tile something like this. You take a This is a great idea. >> [laughter] >> Not a fire hazard at all. And this is yours are being. I don't agree with this one. I think it's more like a giant pot on a flame, but it could be he's right. Well, my favorite RV and review the owner review this is not true. What so maybe my favorite Cooper he brings a riot. They can't also do it. If a person says tunnel Cooper is included. Hurry. Now, this we saw a number of times in the game are before the game are brought our mission. Hurry a line in the house of Martha. The Yummy Martha house is a Martha if a person doesn't specify what he wants to bring. He just says something that's baked Martha is Martha. So, you cannot bring half house and half Ricky and Ricky and half doesn't have oil house has oil. It's two different things. How can you how can you mix it? Bring one or the other. You can't mix the two. You can't bring 50% house 50% Ricky and or 90% house 1% you know, you can't bring nine house and one rocket. You have to bring all all 10 have to be house. All 10 Ricky. Review the mission Martha and they should carbon after review this is going to prove that no, the Torah calls it a carbon and then you could you could bring a little bit from this and a little bit from that. Torah about it. My favorite RV and my favorite Cooper my favorite RV and my favorite RV. I've been Review the owner tunnel tunnel snake ball man. Listen >> [clears throat] >> Says in the possible Tanner Tanner It's actually two different uh problem completely But this is what we call a meal a half meal. Why do you say Tanner? Maafa any maafa if we get rid of the word Tanner we got a maafa. Something big. Could be in a cooper could be in a on a tile it could be in a in a Arab oven. So why do you say Tanner Tanner? So that's what we call a meal a half meal the ain meal a half meal a law the law boys. That a a negative after negative is actually a positive. And the mail it comes to include something that we didn't include before. And what's the most similar to a Tanner would be the actual maafa cooper who come to include a cooper. Interesting. I'm sure Tanner Tanner say palm in. That works. What you're saying works if you have the extra word Tanner you don't know what to do with it so you have one meal after another meal. But since I have what to do with each one of those words I got to stay up here with Tanner. One they have to bake it in an oven. They have to bake it in an oven. And the second one that the the Tanner makes it codish. Oh may say to me it's water. So the last thing we just said is that the the oven makes it codish. Does it really say that the oven makes it codish? That it gives it because the way it works is you bring the the flower and only has diamond. And then once you insert in the oven says to me it gets an additional issue of golf. But now I don't know what I'm having a lot of my life. It's like It's interesting line here. Like you should always say like no. I have to always say stay with them share with them share with them again. And the the the by base paggi. The lechem lechem upon him are kosher even if you do it in base paggi which is outside of the Azara. So Rashi says an interesting thing, if you bake the bread outside of the Azara and the oven makes it kosher it should comes out that it's yotzei. You made it kosher outside of the Azara and it's sort of yotzei. No, I'm a Rava. Emo she godeshon shum tanur. I forgot to put it in again. This is Rashi here, two lines from the bottom, two lines from the bottom. Let's look at Rashi. She tanur Kishia disheno lasoy las yoymar. Says Rashi you have to say with your mouth. Rashi tells us throughout he keeps on saying yoymar also by people he says you have to say with your mouth. Yoymar al menas afoy so the tanur ani magdisho. I am being magdish this flower so that I could So So what Rava is saying is not that the tanur is what gives it kedusha. Your mouth gives it kedusha when you say I am going to make this flower in an oven. Arei alai minchas mafle machloikes. Can't you mix up the chalos and the rekikin? For rabonon v'chi sakriv Kishia takriv lasos dvar shos. So v'chi sakriv is talking about a mincha and dava. I want to bring it. Korban mincha. Omar Reb Yehuda ben Arei alai minchas mafle sh'lo yovi minchas chalos u'minchas rekikin. Reb Yehuda is of the opinion that you cannot mix them. Tamar korban mincha. Korban achas lo sh'nayim sh'nayim sh'nayim korbanos. But you're taking mixing rekikin and chalos and putting them in one basket, that's two separate korbanos. I didn't allow that. I said one mincha. One korban. Omar Reb Shimon Shimon says V'chi nemar korban korban sh'nayim korbanos. It doesn't say the word korban twice. Daf sameach gimel amud beis. V'ha lo yomar achas u'sh'tayim When it talks about rekikin and chalos it or a kikin, may I ask those therefore I'm learning what to love the challahs maybe. This is so powerful the mar is going to say what is you to do with this. This is a katana. The mar calls challahs and rekikin one carbon. So you could do whatever you want, any breakup you want. I had a challah yesterday for no reason. No not a good reason, but just because the lotion throughout the here, I'll read it. What is challahs maybe, rekikin maybe, max of challahs or max of rekikin maybe. It it almost seems like the mar says it has to be Which doesn't make sense logically. But like I wanted to know why, but then they said they said in the Hebrew arch scroll, he brings it could be nine and one also. Obviously. What? It's love I know, but I wanted to know for sure. Like the shining talking about it or something. It cuz the lotion always is max of or max of max. There was a fire to say it's max of max because later on here this the next word coming up could force you into saying 50/50, but not much. Okay. What is the kikin maybe? Or by the one the comments machine. After it's baked, you hear this we both say after it's baked. Key word, after it's baked. It's hard like a rock. We learned this. It's one of the hardest things we learned to do on something that's already baked cuz you have to have very very strong fingers cuz it has to be exactly with your these three fingers. So your pinky has to chop down the bread and and not take off too much that it indent into your finger not to take not to leave too much. So it's one of the hardest things of community. But now Rashi says something else. >> [snorts] >> Look at Rashi. Rashi says by the one the after the awesome poisons on the mar actually max zero on the salt and you're bringing it back. You're reducing it back to the to the flower consistency. So this is the sheet that says this is a sheet that says larger, you know, I don't know what to call them pieces. And Rashi over here says it goes according to the mar Homer, that you're bringing it back down to like a flower kind of consistency. We'll boil them Yeah, matzah meal. We'll boil them And if you got in your hand one you did a kmitza from challis and not rekikin, let's say, then you're yoitza. Now, I'm just saying cuz of boil them cuz it seems like it have to be a perfect blila, 50/50, and you take kmitza, you get 50/50. Nine nine and one would be a problem, but it's the same exact thing cuz in every kmitza you do, you're going to have nine 90% from this amount and and 10% anyway. Not to confuse anybody. Rebbe Yishmael Rebbe Yehuda omer What does Rebbe Yehuda say, rebbe Yishmael? Let's just go back and hazar. What does Rebbe Yehuda say? Rebbe Shimon says you could take rekikin and challis, mix them up, and then you can bring five and five. Rebbe Yehuda says, "No, it's 10 challis or 10 rekikin. You cannot mix them." Comes Rebbe Yishmael Rebbe Yehuda. Rebbe Yishmael, the son of Rebbe Yehuda, omer, "Minchas ma'areches sheyovi mechtza challis and mechtza exactly like his father. So, what is he saying different? He has a different limud. He says, ma'areches ma'areches when we're talking about these two minchas, shnei minchas chalukim, these are two completely different types of of minchas. One has oil, one does not have oil. If you mix the one with the oil, if you take oil and you put it on a mincha that is not supposed to have oil, what happens? It's a big no-no because it says in the pasuk mamish it's deraisa, lo yasim aleha shemen. You're not You cannot take oil and put it on this mincha. And if you put it on, you ruined it. I'm pointing it out here because that's the the answer of the that not coming between him and his father. means that this it's bad. Throw it in the garbage. You're not allowed to have oil on this one. The maila. That's by these two minchas. After the Amora Amala, so when it talks about chalas, the other two types of minchas, you cannot mix a chala with the rakik. So the Gamara is going to take a pause here. But if we stop right over here just so that we have it later on in in a minute or two, he's saying that if you do it even it's possible. Why? Because you took you took a rakik that doesn't have any oil and you mix it with with a with a mincha that has oil a chala, you ruined it. It's also it's finished gone. Whereas his father is going to say that after the fact it's okay. So let's just go into something else for a second. The Shafir of Shimon. What's he going to do? Shimon is saying it says the word carbon once on regarding a chala and a rakik it says carbon meaning I can mix the two. It's the taina. Or by Shimon by Shimon. Since here's the possible. In the same possible regarding chalas and rakik it says by Shimon by Shimon said it should if chalas and rakik are one of the same, you can make that one of the same but you can mix them up. So you say by Shimon at the end. Why do I have to say by Shimon twice? The parik base possible parsha. Yeah. You can have a lot of I mean the whole parik parik. Amora given by Shimon by Shimon given the same carbon carbon. It's literally as if we split it up. Here the chalas by Shimon that's one. Rakik by Shimon that's two. Chalas and rakik are two different minchas. Do not mix them up. Shimon knows it's by Shimon by Shimon seems like it's it's separate. You allowed because of by Shimon by Shimon. If it wouldn't say this possible, how am I going to know maybe you have to mix them up. Why does the Torah mix them together? Because the Torah is telling you do 50% challahs, 50% over here would be 50/50 no? I don't know. He's masking me, yes. You say no? Okay, it doesn't matter. I don't think you have to mix them up, challahs and rakikin. I have a challah with the rakikin if I care I would say the exact we know. Say since the Torah put the rakikin and the challahs in the same possuk and such all at the end, you must mix them up. Not you could mix them up, you must. And if you did just 10 challahs or 10 rakikin, you're not yotzei. So mashma that you could do either all rakikin or all challahs according to this man, according to or 50/50. Rebbi Yehuda asked the Chaim what difference halacha does it make between Rebbi Yossi and then his father, they're both saying they cannot mix up challahs and rakikin. Rebbi Nachman says Rebbi Yossi says that it's he brings from the possuk of Shammai that it's like literally bringing one mincha with oil together with a mincha that doesn't have oil. Rakikin and challahs, one has oil, one doesn't have an oil. So you would have the issur so even after the fact you're it's no good. Just throw it out. Okay. How do you finish the whole I don't know how to finish the whole I don't know how to finish the whole thing. I love this mishna. Rebbi Shammai says >> [laughter] >> Rebbi Shammai says the omer the omer comes from barley and it comes on the second day of Pesach and it allows us to eat the new crop. Before you bring the omer you cannot eat from the new tvoah. The omer comes and allows [snorts] you. And when you don't have the Omer, the second day of Pesach is is what allows you to eat the new crop. That's why you'll see in many stores they'll say yashan or makhloket yashan, etc. etc. It's not a khumra, it could be a issur d'oraita. But anyway, there's Omer. Omer haya b'Shabbos mishum issur What if the second day of Pesach falls out on Shabbos? Do we have to do things differently because of Shabbos? Now, as we saw in the video, there are so many melachas that are so many melachas that are involved in the Omer, melachas issur d'oraita. Issur d'oraita of reaping the barley. That's issur number one. Issur number two, you have to do zoreh, you have to you have to throw it in the wind and separate the chaff. You have to grind, dosh is one of them. You have to you know, thresh it. What else? Sifting. Sifting is another thing. Tokhen. You have to grind the You have to put it in the >> [clears throat] >> What is it How do you say sifting tokhen in English? Yeah, but there's a word. Okay. No, sift No, sifting is not correct. Sifting is to sift it in the 13 things. Okay. The point is there's many melachas. So, do I have to slow down and do things differently? So, Rebbi Shmuel says on Shabbos, yes, you have to do it differently. The amount that you're going to use on Shabbos, the amount of of of grain that you're going to harvest is only three se'ah. It happens to be that we get one issaron out of the three se'ah, which is 10%. It's not important to us. But we have let's say you have 10 times the amount of wheat and you finally narrow it down to to what you need for the Omer. U'v'chol mikhamash. I don't know I I was waiting to ask Reb Aryeh and also Reb Shamshi if three saw and it's sore and it's 10% of three saw, how much is it a nissan out of five saw? I don't know. That That I can't That's beyond my pay grade. Beyond Panovich math. Vachachamim omerim, echod echod shabbos vechod chol mishalish shiyavoh. Sechachamim omerim, no, there's no difference. Weekdays three, shabbos is three. That's why in the video that he said three. Rebbe Chanina is going to be an omer of shabbos and nitzav biyochid. Uvemagal echod. One only one person does it, not the three people. Uvekupa achas, and there's only one box that you put it in. Uvchol bishlosh you need three people. Bishalish kupois, bishalish magalois. This is a side note. The by by toisem, they they're like the tzukim, they said it was five minutes coming from shabbos. That this all takes place on a Sunday. Every year it's only on a Sunday. Mimochoras hashabbos. So, chachamim come out and say, "No, there's three people that do it on a Tuesday and it's not you're wrong. You don't know how to learn shabbos in the thing." So, to be to let the the the the rumor go out, to let the the coil that we're doing it not mimochoras hashabbos, so you need three people. But, that's on a weekday, not on a sha- shabbos we have to be mema'it bemelocha. You have to do less melochos on shabbos. So, bishabbos you need to be yochid umagalah uvkupa uvchol bishlosha. Bishalish kupois, bishalish magalois. Uvchol shiyavoh bishalish kupois uvchol shiyavoh. Vachachamim omerim, echod shabbos vechod chol bishlosha. It's always three people. Bishalish kupois, three boxes uvishalish magalois, and three of these sickles. Is it called a sickle? Yeah. So, I had to ask the Gemara your question. Mishnah Rebbonon Kosavi sore umufkom mishalish shiyavoh nasei. Rebbonon obviously hold that the best of the best, as Rashi says, the first flower that comes out of the of the barley of the sifter the first time. It's interesting cuz there's 13 sifters you think the third He says the first the first one that comes out is the best flower. But it doesn't matter weekday or Shabbos, three saw is the number. If he holds you need five to get the the the finest of the flower, I feel then you should be able to push off Shabbos and do five saw. You see but if you can get that amount even from three, I feel so why are they working so hard in the weekday and using five and not three? If I want to get the top top without any without hard work, I I do five. And that's why in the weekday I use five. And if I work hard, I could take the I could get pretty much almost almost not exactly let's call it 95% of what I get from the five I get it from three. So in the weekday I'm going to use five to get the the to easy easy top flower. The and they stick in here and it's hard to understand a little bit. It's the better flower actually. From five you get a little bit better than from three. But in Shabbos but in Shabbos by Kado I want him to use that sieve. Instead of using for an hour, I want him to use it for two hours straight. Let him shake it and shake it and shake it until he gets the best of the best because he's only doing one of sifting. If instead of instead of using three bundles of grain he's doing five, let's say. And now he has to cut more grain. There's more cereal. There's more there's more there's more there's more everything is on a higher there's more there's more there's more there's more there's I'd rather him just do the three. But he's going to get slightly inferior, slightly inferior product, which we have to address. It comes out and this is a classic Gemara that we want to take two halachas that have seemingly nothing to do with each other and say they're very similar. And then the Gemara always and this is I tell people this is one of the things that you learn also you can take this for business also, this idea of knowing how to differentiate between two concepts. It's it's a it's a skill and it's a skill that you can use in in the regular world, in business. To say, "Look, you're telling me it's it's not. This is different and over here you're How can you compare these two buildings in real estate? This one has this, you know, like stuff like that." I understand everything has nuances. So, here the Gemara is going to take two things and say they're the same. And then the Gemara says, "No, I'll give you three reasons why they're not the same." Here our boss is Mishael. Here we go. In order to get to This is a beautiful picture. Our guys they have these hooks and they would hang the animal on the hook and they would fillet the the the the skin right off. Now, typically speaking, they take the entire thing off. But why are we taking it off right now on Shabbos? Every Pesach falls out on Shabbos. When do you eat the carbon? A Motzei Shabbos. It's already weekday. So, what could you do and what can't you do? Now, I have to get the emorim of this animal onto the mizbeach quickly on Shabbos. So, in order to get the emorim, I have to take off the the skin. Well, I don't want any hairy, you know, I don't want the wool to to to to to attach itself to my emorim. I need a pure emorim. So, I got to get the the skin I got to fillet the skin like this, as so. This he did Motzei Shabbos. This is unbelievable. So, he pulls it down all the way. Oh, wow. This is crazy. See the inner Those are the Okay. So, there's a question of whether you can take off the skin completely or not. It seems like similar to our shilo over here. Once you're doing it, go ahead. Keep on going. Whatever you want to call it. You know, you can only go until the breast. You can't take it completely off. Take the whole thing the whole old entire hide off. Where you don't have to You don't You see by by the hide Why Why pull more and pull it over his head? You don't need it. For For what you need right now on shabbos to take out the I don't have to go all the way. So, too by the by you The question is should he should he do three saw five saw? I can get it out of three saw. Why do five saw? Says the I can make two minutes here. By the three saw, nothing is embarrassed. Nothing I didn't do anything to the to the by doing three versus five. But over here you have a carbon sitting there with with its hide hanging over its head. It's not nice. I want a nice piece. Honestly, I have a smarter say keep on going. It's not all What do you What do you have to do? No. I need to look nice. When When the walks to the to the The inside of the leg the cut part we put this way that way it has to look good. You know what I mean? What point do you have to keep on going and take the skin off its head? You You achieved what you need to achieve. You cut open the animal. You can get the animal without taking it off. I would say you didn't get exactly what you want. You're slightly inferior. There's another 5% that you of better flower you can do. And we can have a barn here and maybe I'll let's do five sons that are three saw. Have a wonderful day. Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsored [music] mdy.com.