CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 60 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rab boys I You want to smash me my roast potato pie. I want to say we're smack in the middle of definitely the base. We're actually going to talk about sales today. If you put some of the boyna on top just like that. Yeah? What's that a locker? It says the mission all you need to do is you take it out. You take it take them out. It's not a problem. Just like that. That's that that's possible. But what happens? What happens when you put the finer stuff in there? That's it. You're you're stuck. Can't take it out. Can't take it out. It's too it's too too little to take out. They got mixed in here. So the guy asked the Shilo. Is the problem is cuz you didn't take it out or the problem is that it that it absorbs together with the it becomes part of the the flower. These these pieces yeah they're very small but they're not part of the flower. It's not like oil that gets absorbed in there. That's problematic. The oil mixes in with the thing but the small piece not At the end of the day we don't know. We didn't come up with any conclusions. So the guy says just read it quickly. Might have Allah. Yeah like smack in the middle of the almond. Over the base we'll say quickly. Tanya allow the boyna. You have the the mincha of somebody that was that was over in the avira and he's too poor to bring a carbon when he brings just flower a cup of flower whatever it is a cup of flower without any oil without any lavona. And the same thing if a woman is a sight or husband warns her not to be she doesn't listen. She has to bring one of the one of the it's a very long process. One of the things she has to do she brings a mincha. She knows allow the boyna put lavona on it. It says you do this you take the lavona put it on the side. I call the seder. What if you didn't take it off? What if you had a thought of people throughout the that the thought has an effect on the so if you think to yourself that you going to eat this minute in a week from now That's usually has a if you eat it cuz the market is a minute that's outside of the place it's not as severe there's no cars but it's also So what if he left the in there because of the money because of the possible cars We'll stop right over here and we have a riot if you have these tiny little pieces inside the flower You cannot do people because in people in order to do people we learned over and over it has to be pure it has to be a pure of no other thoughts you can't have a thought in there it has to be pure people I'm going to eat this in one week from now nothing else the fact that the is in there that messes it up it's not good for the you need a pure beautiful mom is the color of days the camera This the fact that there's a little piece of the doesn't allow the people to be to the point that you get cars It's becomes possible but you don't get cars what's that a riot that's a riot that even though they're very small pieces but it's in the flower it's no good and then if you the keeps on going but if you took the out even though afterwards even though it sat there for for an hour And then he did a possible because of the money people that it goes right back to where it was It's a beautiful cars as the of the heavy path imagine if a bunch of oil spilled into this into this mixture this flower So what would happen It's worthless now you can't you cannot be you can't you can't take this mincha and be magrovit. It's garnished. As the Gemara of sova my puzzle machshava dochyo. You just pushed off this mincha. You just said this mincha is no good for this moment that the levin is in there. It's mixed in there. It's no good. So it becomes a dochyo. And once it becomes dochyo, it's pushed off from bringing on his bayach. You shouldn't you shouldn't even be able to make it possible at all. Nothing should happen here. So there's a number of answers. Omar by chatis charyo chmano. First answer is not you're right. Typically speaking, it shouldn't work. But over here, there's something special because the Torah calls it a chatas. Chatas, even though by the minchas chatas called the chatas, even though there's there's levin on it, it's still called the chatas. And therefore gives you the ability to make it possible. Rova Amar Homani. Chana Amisri will will will probably relate to this to answer even more. Chana Amisri holds the lessly the choyen. There's there's certain things that are not pushed off. Why? The sanya. Chana Amisri a feel down macoins maybe chaveira shleima agrola. Remember this one? On Yom Kippur, you bring two goats. One goat gets lucky and it gets thrown off the cliff. I actually we should have started over here. You have two goats and you make a a goyro. And the the the coin decides through the raffle which one gets shacted inside of the mikdash, which one gets thrown off. Now, they're both connected to each other cuz the the possuk says vasar shol al al agrola azazel yom achai. That the one that gets thrown off has to be alive at the same [snorts] time with the with the with the one that's getting shacted. And the Gemara says over here, according to Chana Amisri though, a feel down macoins, if you shacted the inner one and you have the blood inside a cup, and then the one that was supposed to be thrown off a cliff, he got so nervous, he died from a heart attack. It's okay. Maybe chaveira shleima agrola mizavela. You bring a second But you don't have to go through the whole process of a raffle or a big load. You make a up for him. So my mail You see this idea I was pushed off. I I'll tell you about a second one. You don't have to win the third season you have to have both of them alive. So you see that you you don't have all of Zevo. You don't have a big hood. Okay, so we go like 100 minutes. The show my clothes should be out there have a big hood. He says something mom is the most of all. I love this one. The what? That [snorts] because it's so easy to take like a little device, a little spoon or whatever it is and take out the Lavina which is sitting on the top which I did and then 10 seconds. So that's not considered pushed off. You're right. While it's in there you can't do anything with this flower, but it's so easy to to get rid of. It's not an issue. That's not considered that whole. >> [snorts] >> I I could bring you right to the demand charm is laid this lady review the I'll bring you right. We have a man down with the says there is something called the whole. Who's and that's where we hold it. Yet we be holding says when it's easy to fix there's no big hood. Where does he say it's not? In this case that we just discussed if the blood was spilled, then you got to you got to the blood in the base of the spilled. It's connected to the to the goat that was supposed to be thrown off the the cliff. You got to kill the that guy. You don't throw him off the cliff. He's not part of it. If you don't want to throw him off the cliff dies, you should have you can't even do this Rica. You have to spill the blood. Oh, so you see the idea of the whole. You don't have to be a die. But the famous thing that we had in I'm going to show you this picture and you're going to say oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had that. Remember this? This is the floor of the base of the big dash when air face up there's so much blood over there. And the concern is that maybe out of the millions of carbon sector that day one carbon didn't get the proper carbon sadam. And his owner didn't have his riga on him his bear properly and then the mail is not a good carbon peso. Says review that I have an idea. Since on a nuclear atomic level at whatever the thing is on a molecular level if I take one cup I'll get one molecule from every animal that was sacrificed that day. It's all it's all it's all mixed in there. I don't know if mom is like that but the point is it's all one. Take one cup and do his riga a proper riga on the misback and everybody's yacht so all the all the ones that by mistake didn't get his riga they'll get his riga now. I it's it's from the floor. When it's on the floor it's tahoy. So you see that if you if it's easy to do you just have to bend down and then and then grab it then it's fine. And the story. New Sugya. Omar Israel and Yochana. Here check this out. If you have a proper amount of a mincha on the bottom we said this is a mincha choyta. Mincha choyta is not allowed to have oil not allowed to have levana two isurim. So even if you put a tiny drop of oil on it you're over the isur. Now the reverse tiny amount of mincha with a ton of levana you're over. That's the two things that we know. A little bit of oil and a lot of bit of levana. Why? It says in the possuk Omar Omar Omar by Yosef Omar He said both of these halachas Omar in the name of Yochana. Now it's a mashu shama because I you have enough mincha choyta and you tiny amount of oil touched it posel make it days and my timer says loyasim simakoldu this is this this loyasim don't put no putting putting does is not a shear it's even a even a small amount aleha when you say when you say the word aleha on it it something has to be a something I think it's shear so the mailer that's this case right over here where there's a a proper aleha on this mincha but the the the oil is a tiny amount loyasim I'm using the oil and again in the name of nothing is the lavina I got the mashumincha and in this case the reverse case that the mincha is small it's less than a shear but the lavina is a proper shear then it's also possible my timer loyitinsiv I think in a cena you have to give up a a mukhubidik in a cena my timer what's the reason that if if you put a lot of lavina on a little bit of a mincha it's posel it says loyitinsiv I think in a cena has to be something that's considered a a giving aleha listen to this this is this is interesting you don't find this a lot look aleha we said before means it has to be a significant thing on it it means a lot yeah but guess what it says aleha twice and we have a we have a you side have a ribui acher ribui it should have said aleha once in the posel it's the same posel lavina loyitinal lavina and the shamen why does it say aleha twice it should have said don't put on it aleha shamen the lavina so that's called a ribui acher ribui it's a double positive and a double positive is a negative have a ribui acher ribui when ribui acher ribui a little bit of my right so even if you have a tiny mincha the posel just told us it could be a tiny mincha cuz it was a meal it was actually a question it was it was in a format of a question, not a not a You didn't say it's a He asked the question to be honest. No, it's a mash you shame in a guy because I smell her. This first case Oh, mom is a beautiful picture. There's a tiny drop of oil on top of a a a proper mincha of a kazayis. Maybe in a sima can I see now do I need to put the oil with the amount of nesina of levana? Does the oil have to be the amount of levana? Levana we said it has to be a proper amount of kazayis. Does the oil also have to I like that I don't know take them. So he wasn't sure about that case. That's the second shot. No, it's a shame in a shura. Turn around bottom. Lay awesome allow shama. We're talking about again the mincha shoytin you don't allow to put any oil on it. You don't allow to put any levana. Vilai eat and you have to make it This is what the Um Noam asked me yesterday in the middle of shura. It says oh it says twice that the lay awesome Do you get two lavan? So the gamora understands here Yalkut Siyag I'll think that it's like Noam asked. Maybe one person doesn't get two lavan. The only time you get two lavan is two separate people did it. Come and learn my allow. So it's kasha wasn't a close kasha. It was actually the gamora says you have to have a limo to tell me that you have to have one person is having two lavan even though they're in the but one after another I would think that it's only one. Come and learn my allow. The goof is shomin because we have to have a lot of coin. We're not talking It's like the guy with the heft so we're not talking about the guy with the coin. We're talking about the the heft of the of the mincha. We're talking about that in this mincha he did twice not two different people. Okay, you have to eat and clean out got to be clean. What if you The oil is inside a vessel and you put it on top of the a clea of of a mincha. You not supposed to make it possible. I will learn my allow. The goof is shomin because we have to have to be touching the actual mincha. It's up daily mission. Yash 20 sagosha momish like like we had yesterday that there We said there's four options. There's some some need oil and lavona, some don't need any of it, some need one or the other. So, there's four options over here also. We're going with four things. Some need hagasha and t'nufa and some don't need it at all, and some need either hagasha and some need only t'nufa. So, yes, t'nufa hagasha. So, those are the two things. Hagasha means to touch this the the mizbeach physically. T'nufa means to wave it in the air like we wave a lulav. So, yes, t'nufa hagasha vein t'nufa t'nufa. There are those that need one uh only ha only hagasha and not t'nufa. And there are those who need hagasha ut'nufa and those who need both. T'nufa v'lo hagasha. Those who need just t'nufa and not hagasha. Lo t'nufa v'lo hagasha. And there are those who don't need either or. Says the mishna, "They do t'nufa hagasha vein t'nufa t'nufa." So, if you remember yesterday, we had also a list of 10. Let me just show you the list. Here's the list. Minchas soiles maacheshes, chazrei kikin, kohanim, the kohen gadol, isha, and omer. It's the same exact list besides the last one, number 10. Over here it's minchas omer. That what? No, no, the but over here only hagasha and not t'nufa. On minchas on minchas omer doesn't does t'nufa and doesn't do hagasha. So, it we switch it out. Number 10 is switched out to to uh mincha b'chita. V'eilu t'nuois hagasha vein t'nufa minchas soiles v'machlas cheshes v'chazrei kikin. Minchas kohanim. When a kohen brings a mincha, it goes all on the mizbeach. Minchas kohen mashiach, the kohen gadol brings the mincha twice a day. Minchas nochrim, minchas nashim, u'minchas choteh, u'minchas of a woman uminchas choyter we we have a video from minchas choyter we'll show soon. Reb Shimon even goshi argues and he says that the two cohanim if it's a cohen godol or regular cohen there's no hagasha you don't put it on the mizbeach. Lufi chain bemikso. Because to remember [clears throat] this is the ones that don't have any kmitsa goes kulo lashem the entire thing goes on the mizbeach so there's no kmitsa kmitsa they're inter They're inter what? Not interchangeable they're they're linked intertwined. Oh that's the word intertwined. They they have if you don't do kmitsa there's no you don't do hagasha. Omra papa we this is hazara so it's a freebie. Just like the first mishna had 10 we also have 10. Although the 10th one is a little different but it's 10. There's a list of 10. Michael what does he come to say this number 10? Count it's 10. Yovi we have sorry this one the next one. Number four and five so if you put them according to Reb Shimon you can take four and five and put them together so actually you have another one. You have chalis as individual rekikin as individual. Chalis and rekikin is another one that would be 11 we don't hold like him. >> [clears throat] >> But I don't even know this whole thing with the hagasha the tanur rabonon. Ilu nemar v'eisa she yasam mayel lashem v'ikrivo l'akohen v'higisha. It says when you bring you bring you bring from it lashem and then v'higisha. Hoyisi oyim sh'tan hagasha l'akohen what do you bring to Hashem? Think about it. You have a mincha. What are you giving to Hashem what are you giving to the cohen? The Hashem part is the kmitsa. Kmitsa goes to Hashem on the mizbeach. So think that the hagasha is only when it has to do with Hashem on the kmitsa part. Mincha minayin how do I I before kmitsa so whole Huh? Yeah, we're going to have a lot It's It's coming up. Trust me. I don't know my mincha. How do I know that before the community the entire bowl of flowers also included? Cuz it says the word mincha. Here, let's just see the possible for a second. This is it. Reisha, mincha, bikriva, bigisha. So in may law the word mincha over here is extra. >> So Mincha chotem and I How do I know that a sinner who brings a mincha, just flower, he has to do hagasha on the mizbeach, he's touching the mizbeach. Tam lo yimar es ha mincha. I didn't highlight it, but it's there between the two first words of the pasuk. Es ha mincha. The The word es is extra. So the Gemara now, we're going to do something very interesting. The way it works is like this. We have We have a certain thing that we want to learn. We want to learn a halacha. The Gemara says, "Why do I need a pasuk here? I just learned es ha mincha, sukum, from mincha chotem. I could take mincha chotem and I could learn it from something else." But like everything in life, everything has a pro and a con. So you can't learn A from B because B is very different. B has a pro. The Gemara says, "Okay, but there's C. C doesn't have that pro and still has this thing. So let's learn from both of them. But C has its own pro." But B doesn't have the pro that C has and C doesn't have the pro that B has. So that's lo eizeh keizeh. It just goes in a circle. Until we say Does it tell us Does it have a common denominator? There's something that they both share. It's called tzaddah shavah she bahem. They Every The two of them, B and C that we're trying to learn from, have something in common. We're learning mincha chotem that a mincha chotem has a hagasha. But again, the The Gemara brought a pasuk that a mincha chotem has a hagasha. And the question is, "Why do we need a pasuk? Can't they learn it out logically?" How am I going to learn logically? I'm going to learn it out from a nedavah. Nedavah, you put it You touch the mizbeach with it. so to the chaitah. But, guess what? Nedavah has something special. It has oil and levinah. Minchas chaitah is dry, nothing. So, why I can't learn it out from nedavah? But, the Gemara says, "But, a sitah, here, get rid of that. A sitah doesn't either have the shemen u'levinah, and yet it has a gashah. But, the sitah has nufah, which the nedavah doesn't have. So, it has a pro that the nedavah on the bottom has. So, how could you learn chaitah from it? We can't learn what Each one has a pro and a con. But, the tzaddik shavah is the common denominator is that they all have kemitza. The two bottom ones do kemitza. That's what you talking about a fist bump? They do kemitza. And may law and so does chaitah. So, may law, all three of them should have a go- a gashah. And the Gemara says, "No, but the two bottom ones have a a pro that the top one, chaitah, doesn't have, and that is that it could be even by for a wealthy person, where minchas chaitah is only for a poor person, as you can see on his uh See, he's old. He has a bunch of uh He's poor. So, may law, what? That's why at the end of the day I need a pasuk. I can't learn it. At the end of the day I need a pasuk. We're going to be doing this three times. It's very simple. Says the Gemara inside, the tanur oven even a baby uh sorry, vidinu. Vidinu uh the last words on the oven. Vidinu. Nimar, I I I could I could figure it out on my own, logic. Vidinu. Nimar, hovei minchas chovev nimar hovei minchas nedavah. It says Says in Torah, you bring If you have to bring a mincha cuz you owe one, you you uh it's a chovev. You have to bring it because you did an aveirah. It also says you can bring one voluntarily. Nimra mi hovei minchas nedavah. So, we can learn one from the other. Mah minchas nedavah tunah agashah, mah minchas chovev tunah agashah. Just like the nedavah requires touching the mizbeach, so too the chovev. Mah minchas nedavah she came to the shul in Levana. I'm going to go take it back here. You don't have to look at the thing. Here we're going to learn from here, but guess what? It has oil. I'm just going to click on here. You don't have to look at the screen. Minchas soiteh decheya. The what? Minchas soiteh doesn't have the Levana, but it has hagasha. Malbim has soiteh, she came to the tnufa ball. How can you bring a raya? It has a special thing that you need to wave it. Where the minchas dova don't? Minchas dova decheya. That you don't have to wave it. Nevertheless, it has hagasha. The chazarat dam. So it goes in a circle. It's almost like a catch-22. Lo yireh zakur, lo yireh zevul, lo yireh zakur, lo yireh zevul. Each one has its own pro and its own con and they're not similar. But hatzalah shavah bahem, but you can do one thing. You can do a common denominator. She sholeh kmiza, she sholeh hagasha. At the end of the day, all three of them do kmiza. Mamila, they should be any other minchas soiteh should be kmiza and any kmiza since the top guy, the soiteh guy that we're trying to learn everything from, we want to see if we can do this logically. It also has kmiza. So this one has hagasha, it should also need to you should be able to you should have to touch the mizbeach when you bring a minchas soiteh. But and this is the the the final argument here. Mal atzei shavah bahem, she can hook shul love it ba oisher gibani. The two bottom ones, the soiteh and the nedava, they come even when a person is wealthy. If a soiteh is very wealthy, she still has to bring a mincha. If a person is very wealthy wants to bring a gift to Hashem, he can bring a nedava. Masheinken minchas soiteh, so the mail I cannot learn out soiteh from the two of them. And that's why I'm stuck learning it from a posuk. I can't learn it out logically. As hamencha zog the gemara >> [clears throat] >> v'veisa, lerabos minchas oimer hagasha. Reb Shimon bar Yochai says in the it's good to remember this that the from the word v'veisa, you learn minchas oimer like oimer, right? Reb Shimon bar Yochai is associated with like oimer. So you can remember he learns what I'm going to ask you in 5 minutes from now. What does him learn from the word Vayaisa Oimer? The Vayaisa the Rabbis Why? I'm going to ask I'm going to ask you because who does says I learned Soitah from it, not Oimer. Fine. The Oimer and I prove to you Vayaisa is Oimer. It's like there's Since Vayaisa over here, it says Vayaisa by Oimer. Give all of it. So that what? That a Minchas Oimer you have to touch the Mizbeach. >> [clears throat] >> Vayikrivo What did I learn from the word Vayikrivo? The Rabbis Soitah the From the word Vayikrivo I learned Soitah that she her Mincha needs to be touched to the Mizbeach that touches the Mizbeach. The Oimer Vayikrivo Soitah Mizbeach. Oh, says the Gemara now I'm going to do the second today. Vedino. Oumam Minchas Soitah Tnuvas Tnuvah Hagasha. The Soitah guy, he does Hagasha. Minchas Soitah Tnuvas Tnuvah. We should learn the Soitah Mincha from the Soitah. Why? Cuz the Soitah has something special about him. He does Hagasha even though he doesn't do Tnuvah. So certainly Soitah that does Tnuvah, she lifts it up with the Kohain. They both hold There's a whole shaila if he touches her hand or doesn't touch her hand. But the bottom line is they do it together. They do Tnuvah up down. So she does Tnuvah and in addition to that certainly she should have Hagasha. How are we going to learn it? From logic, from the Soitah. Says the Gemara Take a look. Oh, good. Thumbs up. It works. Problem is that a Minchas Soitah that comes from wheat. And a Soitah comes from barley, which is inferior to wheat. Minchas Oimer Oh, we have the famous Minchas Oimer that also comes from barley and does Hagasha. Remember? Because it's number 10 on the list. So we remember that one. Also we had by Kohain second ago said Reb Shimon like Oimer. Minchas Oimer can do Shemen Olive Oil. You know, I can't bring a ray from Minchas Oimer because that is something special that it it requires oil and levonah where the does not. Oh. Sorry, does not. So I say also doesn't have levonah. And it the didn't know exactly again we have a the what? At the end of the day each one has a plus and each one has a minus but the bottom line is they have a I tell you it means they all all three of them have thumbs up. And they all should have I don't know if I mean she has a she should also have a but here's the bomb come on you need very very fine. In other words it was sifted beautifully unlike this if you look closely in here there's a lot of black pieces this is not the real soil is soil that in Israel really means thicker pieces right? But in the time of the soil is meant fine flour. The finest [clears throat] of the fine. I don't know if it means went through the 13 sifters or that's something else I don't know but it went through good sifting there's no any actually has a slightly different color it's not as white as regular okay kind of you don't need the special soil is you can just bring simple flour. Oh since I can't learn that logically Now from the word I know that has to do with review the word is what is do with the word he learns omer. >> [clears throat] >> If you say the word so too from the that word that you learned omer I'm going to learn not from learning it from so because I behave even have a right cuz it says the word behavey, same kind of word, by a saita. I argue with you. I don't need the word behavey. I can learn that from logic. My time of Medina Gacia, guess what? We're going to do it again. That's why I have Kriva. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, here we go. All over again. What am I going to say to you to not to not go show? Because you do not Nuvah since requires Nuvah unlike a and it didn't you do not certainly should require a Gosh like in other words we're learning out from Kaita. Same idea that we did before from a saita. The thing is Bokeitin I mean it doesn't come from Kaita. Boom, knocks it out, makes it low. This is Gishmark. So you didn't easy peasy. I'm going to say to you sorry, I forgot to do the saita thing. The saita also doesn't come from Kaita. It's a Gosh. I'm going to say to you both of them. Check out this picture he put over here. Those of you remember the famous video of the saita. She drinks the water and what happens? She explosion. Here she's in the process of exploding over here. It comes to be to to see whether or not she sinned. The scares of any. Because it does not come to be the virus of them. Here he goes, he knocks it out. So could learn from saita. Because they are the same and they are the same. Each one has a plus, each one has a minus. It's a common denominator. So you can say to me so they all three of them have the same the two of them have a Gosh. So therefore I can learn from the two the Kaita and the saita to the Oima. So therefore it should have hagasha as well. With my parchas. So what what exactly could you how could you slug this up? The reason why you need the possuk the avesa and it doesn't say oh like Rebyuda. Rebyuda just said I don't need a possuk I can learn from a holtza the shava. No. A person can sin every single day and bring a mincha every single day. So can a saita bring a mincha saita. But omer comes once a year. Rebyuda adraba. Would you like the song? A person you can go two years without a person sinning you go 100 years without a woman coming to the base hamikdash as a as a suspected over avera. But a mincha omer is yearly. And yearly it's a tmidos there's a certain consistency that it has and that's worth more raboisai. Have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the zchus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. Mdy.sponsor.com or [email protected].