CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 59 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys. >> [screaming] >> Good morning to you too. Says the Gamishna. What's interesting about today's daf is it basically includes everything about all Minchas. How to do all Minchas. Yesh Tinei Shaman U'Levoina four options. Either there's both the Shaman and U'Levoina or the Kutzal Kutzal there's nothing you don't put any oil, no frankincense. Then you have one that you only put frankincense and one that you only put oil. Because there's four. Yesh Tinei Shaman U'Levoina there are those who need both. They require both the oil and the frankincense. Yesh Tinei Shaman U'Levoina Shaman V'Lo Levoina oil without Levoina, Levoina V'Lo Shaman frankincense without oil, Lo Levoina V'Lo Shaman there are three that we just mentioned no Levoina and no frankincense and no oil. V'Eilu Tinei Shaman U'Levoina. This if you know all 10 right now you get 100,000 points. This is this is a big one to know all 10. So basically we're going to discuss all Minchas in this Mishna. These are the Minchas that an individual brings as an Adava. Minchas Sollis. V'HaMachvas. You know what? Let me just show you this it's it makes it easier. Here we go. These are the 10. Minchas Sollis, Minchas Machvas, Minchas Marcheshes. We discussed Machvas and Marcheshes very similar but they're done in different pans then besides so the oil gets to do more. With the Marcheshes it's a little softer Machvas is is a flatter so the oil burns out quicker. Yeah. What? Yeah, deeper. No no no the outcome the outcome of the bread is softer because it's deeper so there's the oil stays longer, so the uh so the bread becomes softer. One is a more of a crispy kind of thing. Chalice or Kikin. The um yeah, different chalices and and Rikikin was four and five it's in the same possible see. Minchas Kohanim is already the Mincha that a Kohanim brings. Now, this is special the Minchas Kohanim because it goes everything goes on the Mizbeach you don't get to eat from it. Minchas Kohanim Mashiach is the Mincha that the Kohanim God brings every single day twice a day. Minchas Or Akum they call it depends on the Gemara in my Gemara changed it back to is uh a non-Jew bringing a Mincha. Minchas Nashim women who bring a Mincha. And Minchas Omer the Mincha of the Omer that the second day of Pesach that allows you to eat the new crop of wheat. I just read inside in case I read it wrong. Minchas Soles Ba Machvas Ba Marcheshes Ba Chalos Ba Rikikin Minchas Kohanim Minchas Kohanim Mashiach Minchas Minchas Nashim Minchas Omer. Okay, so that's the list of 10. Minchas Nesachim this is a a category by itself there's only one here. It's the Minchas Nesachim. What's Minchas Nesachim? Even though we learned that many times people probably have a little bit of an issue remembering exactly what it is. It's the Mincha that comes together with the Shlamim and the Olah. Anytime you bring Shlamim and the Olah you bring a Mincha with it. That is different to one of Shemen Ve'ein Tonah Levoina. So, we're going to be dealing with this in Minchas Nesachim today. It requires oil, zero frankincense, no levoina. Lechem HaPanim uh Rabbi Berkowitz. Lechem HaPanim you you you're the Rabbi. What does Lechem HaPanim get? Oil or frankincense or both? Only frankincense. Very good. Lechem HaPanim Ton Levoina Ve'ein Ton only Levoina. Sh- are like him. Oh, here's the list of three. This is what what the what threw me off. This one right over here. Stay like him or make us quite a make us noise ain't doing them lotion men the way they avoid in the are three men of us that don't get anything. The the men of us quite they can remember cuz many always says quite a nice car. Well, because he he sent me he he he gets off easy. He doesn't have to bring anything just a bowl flower. Yes. The the other way because he's a quite a he doesn't get to beautify his men of us with the void of a nun shaman. The stay like him is the is the one that got me. Stay like him. Something more or papa. Colleague is not an asset not. The list always includes these 10 days you see on the screen. The booking of the shipment number max to college max to kicking your feet. According to your shipment if you look at number four and five he holds [clears throat] that there's you can take four and five and combine them together. You bring a little bit of the college and a little bit of the rookie game you put them together and that's considered one more. So, it's an 11th one. College is one, rookie game is two, college and rookie game is three. Come on marshmallow on the way we don't go like your shipment. We only have 10 in our list so the two of them together is not a is not a carbon. Turn around. You know start to learn something. So, we must see this possible. It's very very important. Oh, let me see. Oh, here. Let's not forget these charts. Tone shipment men of us and so come. Here we go. Just oil. Look him up on him gets the two spoonfuls of the busy can and here these are the three that don't get anything. Men of us quite as a sight of men of us quite a and stay like him as you force. The possible says we sacrifice carbon men of us. No. this possuk. Sorry, wrong one. This one. "V'idagiv mincha asher bikurim la'Hashem, v'nasata aleha shemen, v'samta aleha l'vonah, mincha hi." Shemen and l'vonah, you should give shemen and l'vonah, mincha hi. So, we're going to be dealing with the shemen, and we're dealing with the l'vonah, and also what are these extra two words that are completely extra cuz they're talking about a mincha here. Mincha hi. Two nimudim from those two words. So, it says the more of it is nasata aleha shemen. What's interesting about today's sugiya is that very, very each sugiya is like three lines, and you go on to the next sugiya. Nimudim. V'nasata aleha shemen. Says by the omer, this is referring to the omer. You you put it all oil. V'lo So, you can learn from it v'lo ya'aleh mincha mincha shemen. From here I know. How do I know that the lechem ha'panim doesn't get any oil from this possuk? Aleha shemen. Only over here by the omer do you get shemen. She'over al ha'din, maybe there's a kal v'chomer. Ma minchas nesachim she'einah tonah l'vonah, tonah shemen. We're going to go back and forth with with these three. Minchas nesachim, minchas omer, and lechem ha'panim. Minchas nesachim is what you bring when you bring a shlamim and olah. Let's call it a shlamim minchas nesachim. So, ma minchas nesachim she'einah tonah l'vonah. Look at this one. This only gets the oil, there's no l'vonah. Tonah shemen. So, you see that shemen, and oil, has a a special thing to it. This korban that doesn't even get l'vonah, gets oil. In other words, it's the basic It's the basic ingredient. You don't even You don't even give it fragrances, but obviously you have to give it a little oil. How else are you going to mix it? You need oil. Lechem ha'panim she'tonah l'vonah, and it didn't she'tonah shemen. So, if lechem ha'panim gets the two spoons of the l'vonah, so certainly you should give it the basic ingredient of oil. Kama d'mai mar aleha. That's why I need a special word of oil. Only by the oil do you get oil. Oil sherman below sherman, we are done with the sugia. We don't allow the oil. Again, no the same positive we saw before. Now we're moving on to the next words over there. We don't allow the sherman. We don't allow the oil. You should also put on the oil. The oil. We don't allow the oil. Oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil This comes to exclude the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses of the bosses That doesn't get oil. We have a couple of oil. Now we take the couple of oil to the opposite side. Oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil The basic ingredient by the oil is is oil, not oil. Oil. So we saw him shoot sherman. This is oil of the oil. That does need oil. And the day you do the oil, certainly should have to give it a little oil, a little oil. I'm a little bit of oil. Oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil That is the end of that sugia. Oil comes to be made oil from the oil. Now, the last two words of that possible. Says in the possible by oil oil. Oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil The word oil is extra oil there, completely extra. So it comes to include the oil of the eighth day of the oil, which is super interesting because we're starting right now the oil. Like one of these days, today or tomorrow. What is today? What day is it? So the eighth day of the oil is what we're talking about here. We were starting it. Eight days from now is the eighth day of the of the of the oil. We have a special carbon. So, this Lavina this this Mincha that you bring on the eighth day of the Miluim of the inauguration of the of the Mishkan it needs Lavina. The Rabbis Minchas Shmini Lavina. Now, what else could you do with this Mincha Rebbosai? You could also if you want, you could say that it comes to exclude the Shmini Lavina. Saying Mincha >> [clears throat] >> is coming to say that the the eighth day the eighth the the this carbon of the eighth day of the Miluim needs Lavina. Maybe it comes to say that it doesn't need Lavina. Where in the word Mincha do you see yes not no? Maybe it's a no. That the word is going to address. We realize that some of them are doing the Shmini Lavina. Mincha, here we are Mincha. The Rabbis Minchas Shmini Lavina we said. He What do we do with the word he from this possible Mincha he? Now, we have it all it's all coming together. Now, we know why Lechem Haponim only has Lavina not Shaman. Now, the word he tells us that in the Stei Lechem that was the tricky one. What What What Mincha does not have anything with it? So, the Minchas Chait is possible. The Site is possible. The Stei Lechem also why cuz it says he doesn't get any not Shaman not Lavina. So, just learn the Lechem Haponim on the Shabbas. Only the the Omer gets oil but not the Lechem Haponim. Aima Lechem Shaman Viloyal Minchas Kohanim Shaman. Why did you pick where does it say anything in the possuk to exclude the Lechem Haponim? I have something else called the Mincha of the Kohanim. Any Kohanim that brings a Mincha the Halacha is it goes all on the Mizbeach you don't get to eat it. Maybe that particular Mincha should not get oil. It's an it's one of the 10 in the list of 10. Here, let's go back to the list. Let's see. Number six is a minchas coin. Why why does this minchas coin get oil? Maybe the possuk is coming to exclude it. Says the Gemara, the Gemara does a classic here, three times in a row. We're going to make a list now. Let's see. So, what do we have? We have the omer. We're trying to learn from omer. It's either the lechem ha panim or it's the minchas coin. So, it's very gishmak. Look at this. The omer is in the center. The possuk talks about the omer. I could either say that it comes to exclude lechem ha panim. The lechem ha panim doesn't get oil. Or it comes to exclude on the right side, the minchas chiyavim. Why did you pick the lechem ha panim over the minchas chiyavim to exclude lechem ha panim? There's a list of six things that the omer is similar to minchas chiyavim. And there's a list of six things that it's similar to lechem ha panim. So, why why did I pick one over So, we start off. It's very similar to minchas chiyavim. That's why That's why we're not going to exclude So, since it's so similar to omer, it makes sense it should be like that. It should have oil. The what? They're both these sa'arim. They're both have the same measurement. Whereas, lechem ha panim doesn't have that measurement. It has a double measurement per challah. You have to do You have to use a kli when you do minchas chiyavim. And it's a It's a It has kdushas hakli. It gives it kdushas haguf. We learned even the other day, if you remember, by lechem ha panim we we had a a thing where he's doing it on a piece of leather. Kat havalya, kut havalya, whatever the word was over there. Chutz. These are done in the in the azarah. Whereas, lechem ha panim Where's the lechem ha panim situated? In the heichal. Tzura. Tzura is tricky. Tzura means tuvlas tzuraso. Tuvlas tzuraso means that if it's left overnight, it's your omer halina, get rid of it. Throw it out. Lechem ha panim is seven days. It's not a one day thing. Hagasha, both of them the minchas ko'anim and the omer have to put it on the mizbeach and touch the mizbeach and ishim, there's a fire, you burn it. With the minchas ko'anim you burn. But the lechem ha panim you eat. So the gemara says, "Wait wait a minute. I have six things that the lechem ha panim has that are similar to the omer and therefore it should be similar to the omer and it should have oil. Why are you excluding it? They're both for the tzibbur, they're both a chova, they're both tum'ah docheh, they're both eaten. Whereas the minchas ko'anim all the way on the right, you don't eat it, you put it on the mizbeach. Pigul. You cannot be mefagel minchas ko'anim. Why can't you be mefagel a minchas ko'anim? You can't have a thought that I'm going to eat it after the zman cuz there is no eating that's there's no there's no matter. You don't think you mefagel something that has a matter. And be shabbatah, it pushes off shabbos. Minchas ko'anim, how come minchas ko'anim they can't push off shabbos? Cuz it's a yachid, it's an adov of a yachid. I can't say, "Oh, I want to donate today on shabbos." Donate on Sunday. Give al dig, so let's see inside. Easy stuff. Says the gemara, "Mistarbro, huh?" Yoshi fixed it. Wow, shkoyach, tell him shkoyach. Uh im al asher omer min hakochavim shemen. Mistarbro minchas ko'anim have a din bushkin. Eesaurin choli. Chos we don't have to explain cuz we just explained it. Bitzura, this one I'll explain again. It means linah, overnight, cuz it's a loshon of two to uber tzurosa. It's a funny way of saying linah. Hagasha, you you you touch the side of the mizbeach and ishim you burn it. Adir rabah, lechem ha panim have a din rabuya that lechem ha panim should have oil just like the omer. Shekin tzibbur, it's a korban tzibbur, chova, you have to bring it. Uh minchas ko'anim, you don't have to bring a minchas ko'anim. Tameya, the tum'ah docheh, dochel, you eat it. Whereas the minchas ko'anim on the right, you don't eat it. Pigula, you mefagel. But the one on the right, the coin doesn't have a matter so there's no people it's it pushes off showers. Says the never take a look over here just for a second what he did over here I like it. Push that away because of the takes away and it makes more sense because we lost a little bit of animation cuz he had a stick in a didn't come flying down but the kids are the never means it's an individual the middle school the never not the never the individual requires oil. This oil goes to a never over my The has but not so we're coming to exclude we decided it's comes to exclude the song. So we're doing the same exact thing again. You have the in the middle and we said that it comes to exclude the maybe comes to exclude the on the right maybe the same thing again. Maybe the does not get and we know that it's one of the 10 is one of the 10 maybe which is one of the 10 that has both oil and maybe this comes to exclude makes a lot more sense to say that the does have she can below it's it goes together it's it's one that you need it with one look of whereas the the is three low you do a show where the you don't because it comes by itself Because it all by itself without a carbon. But the obviously comes together with the and the uh and the so it's different. Because I don't know if you can do uh the time of the shop so the four things we had before. It's actually four against three. It's a because it's you have to bring because not Thomas Chavez is uh So we're going to once again we're going to bring the What's another color tractor? And then now it came down nicely. Yeah, no it doesn't. Even though even though it's I don't know if you're going to use today. Don't worry. We're going to get there. But not in this one. Mincha the Mincha the Mincha Oh. The word Mincha comes to include that the the by the you may be you can't they need we learned this. Ask the obvious question. Where does it say in the word Mincha to include it? Maybe it's to exclude it. So you have a very simple answer. You have to have to appear. If it comes to include it's great. If you have to it's not good. Why? You have to show me that it's you have to show me show me that it's you have to show me. This is a story we had a few times already just recently that that was a one time thing. That was the the inauguration of the but it's not going to happen soon but we're not going to have the same inauguration. It's a one time thing in history. And there's no reason that I would say that that it needs to be there. Okay. If you just left it as is you don't learn you don't learn the from anything. So the only thing I'm going to I'm going to learn is uh not at all and we're going to uh very yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Why would I need it to take to say that not the of those love and I wouldn't on my own I wouldn't put it in. Okay. Look, the word here and what do I do with the word here? The two the two breads of shvuos they don't get either the oil or the lavana. They like to again once again maybe it comes this is there every time. Maybe comes to exclude him. So once again here we have the in the center of the on the right and the sale of come on the left. Let's see who's more similar. very similar she can use soaring clee. You have to use an you have to use a clee. It's the measurement is a you have to use a clee shoris. It's matzah whereas lechem is chometz. That the does not come with a carbon. Hagasha. You put it on the mizbeach. We use them fire. Wow, look at all this list. Let's see what we don't know from this list. Let's read this list here. You eat it. We learn chapsa matter it's a as a matter does not have a matter. What's a matter that in order to eat the two breads you have to put the carbons on the mizbeach. You have to lift it up. You have to it's the produce has to be from Israel the the the the wheat is man is certain time that you do it. You only do it on shvuos. You only do it on the second day of Pesach Omer. It comes from the new crop. Okay. matter baris chodesh You have 11 versus six. is really in the fish. Now we're going to use that. This is tomorrow once again, at the end of the day, nefesh always wins. The neshama always wins a what? Says the Mishnah. When we're talking about the minchas chavitin the sa'ita, which says before it's in the pasuk, uh where did I put that pasuk? Here. Mom is over here. Says before it's lo yasim alav shemen uleitan al levanah. The issur de'oraita put oil or levanah on the minchas chavitin. Uvechayev al shemen mipnei atzmo. If you just put oil onto this mincha of the chavitin the sa'ita, you're chayiv. Uvechayev al levanah mipnei atzmo. If you just put levanah by itself, you don't have to put both. One, either or. Nosan alav shemen, pasul. Pasul. If you put the oil on it, it becomes pasul. Levanah, you'll get tenah. But if you put the frankincense on it, all you have to do is remove it. Nosan shemen al shiyarei. Once he took the kmitza, and then let's say you just wanted to eat it, you want to be, you know, like they here in the shul, especially, they give you this olive oil, you just dip it in the olive oil, make it gishmak. That's okay. In over al belo zos, I don't know if it's okay cuz they discuss if it's you're just not over the issur, or maybe it's completely okay also. Nosan kli al gav kli. This is interesting. You take a a bottle of oil and put it on top of a a bottle that that that contains the minchas chavitin, lo pasul. You weren't pasul. Parah aduma. Lo yasim alav shemen. You shouldn't put any oil in it. Im im some, and if you did put oil, pasul. Why? If you think about it, it's obvious because there's nothing you can do about it. Now it's already absorbed into the into the flour. Yachol le'eiden alav levanah. Im im nosan alav, maybe the same halacha should apply to levanah. Tam al over, hot sauce. When it comes to Lavona, it's it remains a hot sauce. Hot sauce, it's still good. You have to have a chance to say use the same uh apply the same idea to to the oil. Tam Lavona, he ain't no there's an exclusion. What my reason? But why? Make it taste uh oil you exclude it on Lavona not? Maybe the opposite. Maybe say it remains a hot sauce when you put the oil in it. And when it comes to Lavona, it's possible. What my reason Lavona has to Lavona? Poison ivy shaman, she have she don't have to look there. You can't you can't remove the oil. What my channel Lavona chef shall look there? But but a Lavona you could uh remove. Boy rabble. Barabona Marabio so I don't know everyone has to be able to come. Nothing on the Lavona cooker Maho. This is this is schmuck Lavona. Look at the size of this. It's the building. So, this is good. This is what call this a a spice, you know, ground up the spices. It's the same it's the same this is also good. So, you have the you have it Lavona just like almost like like like a spice ground down into the thing. You're not you're not taking it out of the out of the out of the flower. So, Lavona should be possible that it's possible. But no. Why? Cuz the way to look at it is maybe maybe the point of of of Lavona not sure that you could take it out. The the pro it's not that it's a plus you could take it out. It's that it oil gets absorbed. The pro it's a problem when it gets absorbed becomes one with the oil with the with the flower. Lavona doesn't get absorbed even even if it's very very thin it's not absorbed in the flower. It's in the it's together mixed in with the flower. You can't get it out. But it's not absorbed in the flower. Doesn't become one with the flower. Oil goes into the flower. And maybe that's the problem. Everyone has to Lavona cooker Maho. We should actually look there. Lavona has to look there. At the end of the day you can't take all the small spices out of there. Or maybe mission or maybe the thing is because it doesn't become absorbed. This is not going to be absorbed. It's going to be in there. You can't take it out. You don't have the device to take it out, but it's not absorbed. Toshma. Maybe I could bring a raya. It says before it's in the Mishnah that you could take the levana right out of the out of the flower. Mashma if you can't take it out, it's possible. No, the main reason of the Mishnah is the fact that the levana doesn't What's a good lashon of like like when you get married is bottle less when a when a Jew in in I don't know. Okay, next. So Maybe. Yeah, similar is a good word, but I that's not what I was I was thinking about it like okay, it would become part of it. The the the the problem is that the oil becomes part of the of the flower. That's the problem. Integrate. Integrate maybe. The main thing is that it's not absorbed. The nakuda is that it's not absorbed. Sorry. I'm giving I'm saying the levana is kosher. Why? Because I could remove the larger pieces. So the same answer. So you see that if you don't remove the pieces, it's possible. No, it's not possible. I'm telling you don't don't grab that word locked. That I'm giving you a you can take it out and then it makes more sense. But the point is that it there's no blea. You have to understand the not the possible. You have to understand what's behind the possible. The possible saying that oil is no good. Mom is like Rabbi Willig said, oil is no good because it gets absorbed. And if you have oil that doesn't get absorbed, you have a device that doesn't absorb. So then you have a flower. You you locked it out, then it's not possible. My halo, what do we do with this question? In other words, again, what's the question? If you have very thin levana, you you got this momish like a powder fine levana and you put it into the flower, does it pass or not? Listen to this. If you have the levana on top, all you need to do is remove it. What if you had a bad thought? What's the What are the bad thoughts in kachin? pigel possible vain because Listen to this. You cannot do Why can't you do a machshava of chos is man over here? It's only possible. It's not the real chos is man. A real chos is man, you get chorus. You don't get chorus over here. Why not? You cannot do pigel when you have another isser involved, right? You can't do pigel when you have another machshava, another problem. Over here, there's levana on it. It passels it. Oh. So, what do you see? You see No, no, no. You see the little pieces of levana passel it. It's not good. It's not good. I you could be like in it. You could remove it with a tweezer. But right now you didn't. And right now you didn't, you cannot put a pigel on it. Pigel doesn't go on top of something that's possible. So, you see there's a problem with the even very fine levana. It just goes on to say that if afterwards you took it off, took the levana out, you could Then the then the machshava goes on. Should we stop right over here? Okay, we'll stop right over here. Aboy say, have a wonderful day. >> Merit the schos of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsored.mdy.com