CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 58 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Like 17 lines from the bottom of there are parts of the animal that you put on. There are parts of the carbonus that you eat. The parts that you are permitted to eat and you put it on them is it's a big no no. It's what we call. How do you know it's how do you know it's a portion? You can bring it home and eat it not home. You can eat in the whatever. Usually sometimes you could bring it home maybe. How do you know that if you put on the So do the do the math with me. We're talking about koch here. So, we know part of it the gets to eat. You put part that part on the no good gets to eat a little bit of the no good. What's left from you can't you can't eat. So now what's the next one? If you know this don't answer. If you I'm saying if you're looking in the scene over there. What else is what else is on the list? We did most of the list already. You did. There's only one more. What's when do you give? So that's the other. That's the fourth one. So here we go. Here's the list of is not count. The entire thing goes under the that's the only one that's left. That's it's called now is the whole list on the left. These are all obviously the kind gets to eat from it. So if you put any of the column on and the leftover of the that goes again the two breads on that get to eat that they get to eat on the you take up put on. No, no. And all the leftovers of the the goes on the but the leftover goes to the if you put the on the and we had this if you're with us. So you remember this all the the leavenvening agents the the sour dough. Who here knows what vash is? What's the vash honey? >> What else? That's it. So you're not allowed to put on the date honey. What about uh an orange? It's not honey. You're allowed to put a orange on the >> nois. >> Oh over here means fruit. Typically means they eat honey because in the >> not not today now it means and I'll put any fruit. You can't put grapes. You can't put apples. So in the middle of the anything that you put onto the fire whatever is left over your as long as you put some of it on then the leftover your if you put on says wait a minute part of this the list is the breads. You don't put any of it on. You don't put a little part of the so it doesn't fit into this. This is if you put part of it on the That's what you're supposed to do. You take the you put the on the So whatever's left over, you can you're not allowed to put on the There's no part of it that goes on. Huh? also now it's focused on because people recognize it more we learned so now we're talking about over here there's no when it comes to you don't bring the breads to the southwest corner you don't touch it Why? It says there's nothing that goes in the fire. If nothing goes in the fire, then we have a problem. Look, there's no because nothing goes in the fire. So there shouldn't be an isser to to put it on on the nothing goes on the fire. You need you need to start with something that part of it goes on the fire. Then the other part cannot go on the fire. Then there's to put on zero that goes on the fire. How do I know? Because it says bya that the reason why there's no is because nothing goes on the fire. Oh, so nothing goes on the fire. There shouldn't be a big iss to put it on the fire. says he says oh you're right when it comes to there's nothing from within the upon him you don't take any part of the upon him and put it on and therefore what there's no but what does go on the when it comes to the the that's in the two spoonfuls that's enough to consider it in other words when I'm looking at the upon There's a mim also there's a matter the the the carbonas go on the so since there's a m what's a matter something that allows you to eat the upon what allows you to eat the upon him when you put the you put the frankincense maybe I even have some over here oh no oh here it is you take some of this two spoons of this and you put it on the m that allows him to eat upon him So the is the leftover of this in terms of the that you should not put the leftover on the that's enough to be on in terms of you're it's good in terms of no it doesn't work for for you from it from its own selfmar Another what about if you if you don't put it on the actual you don't put it over here you put it you go up the ramp you put it leave it on the ramp is the ram considered the blood says the ramp is considered like says No, the the ramp is considered part of it. There's a there's a double basically because if you look at the the it says you shouldn't put it put it on the it says so why does the why does the say it again to teach us that the the is also considered potter my time at only the the the which is how do you translate and into what which carbon are considered and dash is the as going to say in a minute and the is the fruits it's not just the the dates the fruits so the the the ramp is considered uh part of the for those two things but not other things says if you put anything else on the ramp it's not considered who says he's not so what does come to be what does it come to take way or some overlay. Oh, if I if I Okay, we'll say in a second. Maybe an individual a guy comes to to the he says you know I saw a beautiful thing they bring two breads on. I also want to bring two breads as in so now now he's forced to bring it you have to keep your word it's a plural only individual cannot bring the [clears throat] may you know what okay so you as an individual cannot bring it Maybe MDY could get together and as a as a as a community as a we'll bring because look the community brings the on maybe not MDY maybe all they bring it on so does learn the word as a no you bring as of with together but that's it it's part of but you What exactly you going to bring from this? You just told me as an individual you cannot bring two breads. Now without looking in the article, please without looking in the article without cheating. What's the asking right now? are called what's the ask why does it say and why does it say vash what do you mean why because one is sourdough and one is it's honey so I need it's two different things that you can't bring on if it said vash I wouldn't know you can't put sourd's question is more on the word why says the word is extravash one call is enough because each one has uh positive and therefore I need the call. Why? I would think you're allowed to put sourdough on the why because you see in other situations in the in the in the in the md you put sourdough on the mb. Now if you pause there for a second where do we put sour on the where there's only one thing that I can think of right now and that is the individual decided to bring why that's sour dough it cannot be one minute we that's how why are you telling me that sourdough is that tim is awesome for individual over here it says mafur you're putting sourdough on the mb now it cannot be the sourdough that We bring on because that doesn't go in the mah that the eat. So what what sourdough ever goes in must be the two individual decided to to donate on his own. So you're allowed to bring once you're allowed to bring sourdough but fruit you never see fruit. But on the other hand, you see that fruit is in the leftover of the but you don't have sour since each one has its own special thing is actually talking about a half a is going to say soon comes to say even a part of it that's the bottom of the so here also on a half a shear of a half a shear of a fruit. Now we're going back. What did you mean when you said that once in a while you could bring sourda? Obviously, you're talking about the two the two breads that you bring in. Somebody decided that the decided to bring it as an R just points out it real quickly. It cannot be referring to the that everybody to bring on the you don't put on the only thing that I could think of that goes on and it's sourdough is of and you're telling me is no no what I was trying to tell you is since The come together with kurbanas here like the famous picture over here a imagine doing on two you did on one barely moved two with with the uh with the now I don't know what he's doing over there so I would think that you're not allowed to put these two on the why because they come They're associated with the the brisk says over here you see that the that the and the and the and the sheep are actually one only ask from this the doesn't let's say ask from taida tid is 40 breads and you have a carbon taida there's no there's no zika so to speak just a funny lion >> what lush >> the bar lush yeah over here because you do the the together and everything's together, they become like one. They become one unit. And since you cannot put part of that one unit on, why? Because it's you're not allowed to put on the So perhaps you can't put the the the carbon also on the no. But guess what? fruit is also it has like a it [clears throat] comes together with with with a carbon comes together with birds those gazal remember told you to pay attention in the in the video there's a better picture actually than while I was watching but here these guys are all they have they have birds say the same thing says the birds They're the the cheap baskets go to the the over there says that something like that. That in the English they say the opposite. The rich get richer and the poor get poor. That's what it mean. The poor get poor. The wealthy they bring a nice uh >> golden basket >> a golden basket so they get it back. The poor that come with the cheap basket they lose their basket of the kayam. Hanu says, "No, these birds are not connected to the bikuran. It's unbelievable." Listen to this. The birds that are on top of the the basket, those birds, they're they're there to beautify the bikur. mount. What if you bring some bird and put it on the mah? You're not supposed to put on this. That's similar to the we just said until now we're talking about uh sheep that you supposed to eat it. Instead of eating it, the client puts it on. It's a it's what about the bird? Instead of the eating he puts on what's the what's the sh over here? None of it goes on. You all decided and you were right that none of it goes on. So you can't be what's the says if you put part of it on the leftover you're not allowed to put on the but over here by the bird the entire thing doesn't go on the costb the calls a bird a carbon where does the call a bird carbon look it's called it's called carbon therefore if it's called a carbon maybe you know And this in fact is considered bird is called no I have to be strict with this rule part of it has to go on this in order to be as long as it's called and what would be the between these two is one of them is what we just said is doesn't go on at all. According to you, according to it's called the the oil that goes with the oil obviously none of it goes on this. So according to you'll be over. Why called the rabbi is like because it's called a carbon according to you be if you put the oil on his [clears throat] eloid. Oh, how do you know that if you put part of the sourdough, a half a shear or even a mashu according to how do you know that anything? >> Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. Even part of it. How do you know if you mix the sour dough with matzah? Let's say it's a mixer. from the word. What's going on here? The shear is a man. I don't know a half a which by the way according to half a she means even a nothing. There's no such thing as a half a z. Half a zas means a culture. It's either it's either a Z or less than a Z. There's also a half a Z. I'm pointing it out because by when he starts his starting point is two Zim. So half of two is one full Z which is a full but according to our starting point is a Zas. So half of that is is a mashu. You put a little uh how do you call it? a crumb of a speck of of a mixture. Very similar but different. Same words. Instead of saying he says, "How do you know I have a kamita?" You go like this with your fingers. same everything but instead of saying the word he says what what's he call it the way you read this is since starting point is less than two less than two how much is half of less than two let's Call it 1 and 3/4. What's half of one and three/4ers? I went to Panovich. >> What? >> 1875. >> 875. >> 875. You're right. 875 7875 875. Yeah. Not 875. So see the way you read it is since you your starting point is it is one and 3/4 let's say. So the tells you you could do half. So half is less than a full zas. It's 875 of a zas. You see that to be you're even in less than means and therefore going with that no no your must be at least there's a whole over here you see that their hands were larger how did fit in a hole has to be at least two so when the Torah says which means half half of two is one. So you have at least one that in order to bear it has to be at least one. Therefore if your starting point is more than two so the half of two is one listen to this theory says don't put sourdough on don't put honey fruit. What if you put both of them? How many are your if you put both? So everybody's going to say two. The says, "No, you're going to be over on either four or none." None. Zero. Or I'm talking about in terms of malus. How many malus you get? You get four malcus. Why? Says I told you if you just read it, it wouldn't be so much fun. But if you thought about it for a second, it makes it more interesting. That's you get a we establish what was key for the key. So a mixture is also so mela there's a mixture going from the sar to the dvash but also from the dvash to the sar which is super interesting and ma that one mixture you four things first of all in the mixture you have sar that's one in the mixture you have dvash that's two in the mixture you have and you also have and four there's something called do not worry because first of all the sug in two lines there's a mishna starting the test so what's means it's not a a straightforward love it has other other stuff to it if the says as going to say soon the says don't put a um how do you say kasim on a muzzle >> muzzle don't put a muzzle on an animal it's very straightforward it's one laugh boom that's it start telling Don't put sourdough on the Oh, and don't put sourdough together with uh that's already too much. Now you're you're being general. You're starting to say more stuff. So what does that mean? So what you don't get anything or you get a little bit no malus that the Torah says don't put sour dough. You get but sourdough with a mixture of that you're not going to get two for that. That's already too much. Listen to this. You don't get any malus at all. Listen to here. Look at the says over here. Look what it says in says. So we make this there's a comparison just like is very posh. It's four words when when he's treading on the on the wheat you shouldn't you shouldn't put a muzzle. So, so to any other lab has to be very posh the straightforward. But once you start mixing more things and giving it more you're not mix the with the then you're not anything. It's not single. Have a wonderful day. [music and singing] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.