CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 56 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning, rab boiser. The nesi'im were also nesi'im Mordechai. We have a sugia. What do we do with the word oisoi? It's actually broken up into four sugias, four small sugias. Once we get through that, what do we do with the word oisoi? Then we have a mamash shmacha sugia of can you, let's say animals about mum, it's already about mum, can you go ahead and make another mum on something that's about mum? It's a it's applicable to many things in the Torah. Could If something is chametz, could you be over again a chametz? If somebody is a a sorus, could you make him a sorus again? Like after he's a sorus, could you could you more more of an action to make him more of a sorus? So that's that sugia, but we have to go through this oisoi. The hashta, five lines from the bottom of nun hei aleph and beis. The hashta, the nafka lei me'veishachas achas, ois lamid mem aleph. The mayra da'ahavah meina that the word oisoi comes to say that the nasi, the king, his carbon ois in the north. But at the end of the day, we learn it from the possuk v'shachas achas, so we have this word oisoi is completely extra. What do we do with it? So there are four options, four small sugias. Perhaps the word oisoi comes to say nachshoin. Nachshoin is the nesi'im, not the nasi, the king. It's a little confusing. The the Torah calls the king a nasi. But we know the nesi'im. The nesi'im brought korbanos by the chanukas habayis, chanukas hamishkan. So those are the nesi'im. Now, it's called nachshoin. Maybe not to confuse, the Torah calls it a nachshoin. It's not the only one, all the nesi'im. The what? That he has to the nachshoin carbon has to be in the north of the beis hamikdash. And then you have a sugia of v'shochat. Shochat means that you could that the the the shoychet doesn't have to stand in the north. He could have a long knife and that's the end of the That's actually how we finish off. That's what the comes for. Ruining the end, but it's good to know. comes that the doesn't have to be in the north. And then we have about the bird when you do do you have to be in the north not? And about not So we're starting with the first one. We know where do you or anywhere? Anywhere. So that's the last But then we're going to go back to that the doesn't have to be in the north. I call upon him. We're starting off. Number one. The What do you do with the What is The first one is only the king his carbon is done in the north. Then let me just show you this uh this older picture, right? This is the This is the the layout of the This is This red box is the northern part of the area. So I think that only a king chefs in the red box. Right over here. But in this area no, not allowed. That's the south. This is the This is the line the dividing line. Anything past this line up here not allowed. So I think the when the got together and they brought a and this is the the only This is in a right? The The want to bring something to They didn't do a They they weren't There's no sin. A comes for a sin. This is the only time in history that you brought a as an a verb. And a hottest, is kochi kochi, we're even going to talk about a little bit. Kochi kochi is always in the north part of the the the azara. The mar says, "Let me do the azara and so on and so on. You don't have to chef this hottest in in the north." Now, why would I think you have to chef it in the north? That the naseem, the nachshon, is similar to the king, where you have to lean on it, put your body weight on the head, the smicha. So, the rabbi now leaning something, so you would also have to chef it in the north. Come on, shalom. So, if we pause right over here, the mar says the only reason I would think in the north for the naseem is because you lean on it. And if you don't lean on it, then I would never think you have to chef it in the north. In a second, we're going to see where we would have to say you don't have to lean on it. So, according to where we would have to we wouldn't have a have a mean. I'm just little khazara, a little like dumb it to the khazara to the what we're going to learn in a second. We speak of the coming of all of them. And how do you know that the naseem have to do smicha? The sign you have is a smicha yodai al resha sayer. It says by the king, it says that he leans on it. The rabbi saw nachshon smicha, we learn from there that also the naseem have to lean on it. Divrei Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Shimon Omer, "The rabbi see Rabbi Yehuda, I messed up. I said Rabbi Yehuda, it's Rabbi Shimon." Rabbi Shimon says, "No." It's one of at least two machlokes that we have between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon today. Rabbi Shimon says, "No, no, no. It's coming to say that when klal Yisrael does avodah zara by mistake because the sanhedrin told them to do so, and they bring a a goat, you have to lean on it." Maskin, Rabbi Nachman Tenach, Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Yehuda says that you need smicha. So, if you need smicha, I would think that you have to chef, right? The mar says there Why would I even have a have a mean you have to chef in the north? Because I have to do smicha. Okay, Rabbi Yehuda says you have to do smicha. Tenach, Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Shimon, my you going to make Rabbi Shimon says you don't have to do smicha. Why would I have a have a mean you have to have to chef in the north? Omer, Rabbi Zutra, Rabbi Nachman Mar Rabbi Nachman. Rabbi Nami. wait a minute, even according to the view that's not so gishmak. Might this Rabbi Rabbi I don't know I don't understand. The Torah says that that the Nasi have to do we have a limo that the Nasi have to do smicha and that's it. Make it basic to jump from there since I have to do smicha they also have to shut in the room. Okay, you know what? We have a a binyan av we can learn from a nachshon that the the Nasi we're going to learn from a regular chata. So so smicha this the crown you know but there's binyan av. So then why do you have to learn that the the Nasi have to do smicha? How do you know that the Nasi have to do you learn from a king? No, just learn regular binyan av from a regular chata. Hello, what why not? I'll show him the door how can I show him the door to him on? That was a one time thing in history that the Nasi broke a promise. You can't learn you can't learn a Nasi from not not smicha and not and not and not and not tzafon. Okay. So that's it. So I have no reason to believe that a Nasi has to check in the tzafon. I don't need I say. So now what I do with the I say? Another say. So we're going on to the next say now. Zog the I say. Listen to this. What do we again? We have this actual word I say. What does it come to exclude? I say turn tzafon and check it out in the tzafon. The animal must be in the north. Not the shoyk. It's a big chiddish. Those who learned tzocham remember this? But what? The long knife here. So you have a very long knife. You don't have to be standing in the in the north. Only the animal must be in the north. Big chiddish. So ask the Gemara, I don't need the word I say. And the Gemara is going to actually say you're right. I don't need a special word to tell me that. Why? Cuz I have another I say midoraba chiyana afka that I can learn from something else. The sign of chiyana amar the shoyk the I say. I say over here is by the oyla. I hear from tzafon. Matam oyla. >> When you receive the blood, over there the person has to be standing the coin has to be standing in the north to receive the blood. If he's standing in the south, no good. So that's why it's a massive by us. We're going to use this twice. But it's interesting that you take the word and you you you could you could uh read it, not read it, but it's to If he was standing in the south and and receive the blood where he's standing, no good. Pass out. I'll tell you when it comes to also he cannot be standing in the south. He must He must be in the north. It's a little tricky because it's the same word. I say and I say, we're trying to figure out what we do with the word I say. head that he doesn't have to be standing in the north. He can be standing in the south. So it says it's true. That's a real but I learned from a different I say. That's by I say by So once again, I'm stuck. I don't know what to do with the word I say. So and by the way, we're going to come back to this. This is what the I say is. I say is to teach us that you don't have to be in the north. And what was the question? Why do we go away from it? Because I can learn from here. So I say no, I can't learn from here. Okay. Hello, so we're trying another one. Hello, I say but so far I say but so far I say but You don't have to You don't have to do to a bird in the north. So I can learn it's possible that you have to do it in the north. Why? Well, when you the regular animal, should the coin coin and so on. You don't have to do You don't have to use a Anybody could check an animal, even an Israel, even a woman. Ben Oyf Shakur like a coin and it didn't shake a bird is so kosher. Only a coin can do it. So maybe not maybe. The choir of course you need to do it only in the north. Says the Gamara, don't bring me a riot. Malabin so you're saying that that when you shake the sheep it's very weak and therefore certainly a bird needs something. No, sheep is not weak. Malabin so you can cover like clay. The only way to to shake is with a clay sharis with a knife not even a a stone that's sharp where usually you could you need a clay sharis. And when it comes to bird you don't. So you see that one counteracts the other. There's no weakness in the side. If there's no weakness in the side there's no having me I would think that you have to you have to do Malika to bird in in the north. Eloise of it's often. So what am I going to do with this Oy so? Again, so we're back to square one. I have extra word Oy so I what do I do with it? Eloise of it's so fine. Vain Pesach Bet so fine. You don't have to shake the carbon Pesach in the north. Baruch Hashem because we need a lot of room. A lot a lot of animals that would like up to the knees in blood. So it gives us extra room. This is what I I learned from the word Oy so. So you might what are you talking about? You don't learn from the word Oy so. I learned it from Rebbe Eliezer ben Yaakov and I learned from Rebbe Eliezer ben Yaakov once again, what am I going to do with the word Oy so? I'm stuck. I don't know what to do with it. Why Pesach with the Rebbe Eliezer ben Yaakov Nafka Minna side Rebbe Eliezer ben Yaakov Yochai Pesach Ton so fine. I think that you must shake the carbon Pesach only in the north for dinner. Well my Oy Shakur is mine Shakur is Pesach is mine Shakur is Oy and it didn't shake this is a special about carbon Pesach only happens once a year. Torah says a specific date it's a certain Torah. >> [clears throat] >> Says the Gamara so certainly if a Oy that you could bring Oy you bring Oy every day to Tamid. You need to do it in the north so certainly if carbon Pesach that has a special day it's a Mamash Miyuchad certainly has to be in the north. Says the Gemara, mala oila shikain kolil. It has it has a a khumra. It kulai la Shem, the entire thing is on the mizbayakh, the kohen doesn't get to eat anything. So, the Gemara says makhatah. Okay, so learn from makhatah. A makhatah is not kolil. A makhatah, part of it, the the kohen gets to eat. And it doesn't have a zman, either. Ain't zman, what do you say? Oh. Mala shigain khaparas khayovim krisus, but it has a khumra that it it has the ability to to to bring forgiveness, a kaparah, to those who are khayiv kares. So, the Gemara says asham. Asham also brings forgiveness, but not on kares. And it doesn't have uh a particular time. Mala asham shigain katchi katchim. But also, finally we get to the that everybody knows this. Whoever learned the zevakhim knows that asham is katchi katchim, meaning miklud nami shigain katchi katchim. All the other ones, the the the the oila, the kakhatah, they're all katchi katchim. And if you're katchi katchim, you the the level I should have shown the chart. Maybe the editor will bring the the famous chart. We have a list of all the katchi katchim. What's missing from this list? The shlamim. No, the shlamim tzei vor, the one that you bring on the shavuos. And then everything else is on the other side. You have a toda, um shlamim, nazir, what else? Bekhor, pesakh. I said shlamim, yeah. So, katchi katchim must be done in the north. That's why it's in the north. Bekitzer, I don't know so I'm I could I learned this idea that carbon pesakh is shakh that anywhere in the Beis Hamikdash in the azarah from uh [snorts] Reb Lazmi Yakam, I don't need oisa. Oh, sorry. We need the oisa to tell us that the the one that shakhs oisa betzofon ben hashuk betzofon the shekhter, if that's a word, new one, the schechter could be also in the south. With the we already I don't need the word learned from here. No, no, no, you learned from wrong. Even though it doesn't fit into the words, but you learned it wrong. Wasn't going to say that the could stand in the south. The that's possible that I'm going to tell you that the one that receives the blood, he must stand in the north. Not that the could stand in the south that I learned from I'm coming to say that the one receiving the blood, he could stand in the he must stand in the north. Says the wait a minute. Here, this possible let's go back. Remind I don't Says the wait a minute. To learn this way you got This doesn't learn. What do I do with I say? I say that and that the the carbon I say this is going on the carbon. The carbon must be in the north. But the could be in the south as well. I'm a papa. I fall like a stone. Big dish. We learned in the mission that every one of the major of baking bread you have this which included kneading, braiding and keto which is basting the top you said it's basting basting with water and putting it in the oven. Comes to a public says oh, putting in the oven you have two. What's up is two? I can't celebrate by putting into the oven you're creating a form. You're forming the bread. You're forming the bread. And by putting in the oven you have not only for baking also for forming it. As the I don't fit into everything we learned. We learned that baking is its own action. It's a kosher thing. You can eat it. It's on its own. One thing. One Marcus. That's what it says. That's what we learned. Look at you. If a person forms it. A, he braids it as it as it when it's she's Marcus right away. And then he puts it in the oven. So for putting in the oven, how many are you one? Why? Cuz you already 5 minutes ago on braiding it. I can't make you twice for braiding the same thing. Ruben braided it. He's Marcus. Then Ruben puts it in the oven. He's Marcus for putting in the oven. He can't be Marcus for putting in the oven and oh, and I also formed it. You formed it 5 minutes ago. But But when Shimon braids it and he gives Shimon gives it over to Ruben and Ruben puts it in the oven, then he's two. One for forming it and one for baking it. Shimon braided it already. How could you be on something Shimon already did? That's the whole sugar now. That even though Shimon did braiding, he already he already formed it, you're also over on forming it. You hear me, Andy? You with me? Why? Because that's the sugar. This braiding after braiding. Tell her about it. So this this brings us to the sugar. What is this? A person has a firstborn animal. Firstborn animal goes to the kite. Now if it's a bum mom then you get off the hook. The coin doesn't have to bring it to the to the big dish. You eat it as is. Now this this animal has a major a major disease. It's about to die. Those days, bloodletting was like the the answer for everything. Person's about to have a heart attack, give him a bloodlet. Uh you know, a machlah, bloodletting. And they they wasn't just bloodletting, they like drain them completely, like dry. Almost no blood left, and then today also they do bloodletting. And in certain situations, like certain certain people need it. I don't know, like they have too much blood or something. I don't know. There's certain situations you do bloodlet. But this animal is about to die. Okay? This This animal, let's call him a baal mum. He's a baal mum. So, what are the options? Rebbeim, you're not going to believe it. Typically, we have a machlokes, we have three three shittos in a machlokes. We have katzel katzel, we have from extreme to extreme. It's 100% mutar or 100% assur, and then you have something in the middle. Now we have four. So, let's think about it. What what could the options be? The worst The worst-case scenario is you make you make it a baal mum. By letting blood out, you poke it in the eye to let the blood out. That's like the worst. So, you have one man that says poke in the eye, it doesn't matter. You're allowed to It's dying. So, you save its life. It's a baal mum anyway. Give it another mum. Then you have Rebbe Yehudah says, "No, no, you can't do anything." Rebbe Shimon says, "Do whatever you want. Make a mum. Not only that, you won't And then you could actually say, "Oh, it's a baal mum, so you get to eat it as is." Rebbe Yehudah says, "No, don't touch it. Let it die. We don't care Let it die." And then you have in between. You have Rebbe Meir says, "You do bloodletting, but make sure it's not in a place that's a mum. Do it in an in an area that that's just going to heal tomorrow. It's not a mum. Huh?" Mum shoyevet. It's like, yeah, it's just a little big a little nick. It's not a mum. And then you have the fourth What's the fourth shittah Rebbeim saying? The fourth shittah the Chacham that you can make it a baal mum, just make sure you're not going to be able to eat it because of that. It's not a mom that Oh, later later you're going to say, "Oh, it's a mom so I can get to eat it." No. You'll make it a mom, but that's it. You can't eat it. Don't touch it. So, those are the four shades inside. You have a firstborn animal that must have bloodletting to live. You could do that cuz you could do bloodletting, but make sure it's in a place that doesn't cause a mom. But you're not but you're not permitted if the only available spot is where it causes a mom, you can't do it. The mayor The yak is up in the shades of the mom. You could do another mom. Why? Why? What's up shot? Because they hold there's no mom after a mom. This animal is a mom. It's a dying animal. It's a mom. So, what do you do? You don't do anything. You made a another hole in the artery somewhere. Okay, so you made a hole in the ear. Big deal. It's already a mom. But with my actual issue that I will say mom You can't use that mom as an excuse to shut it outside of the temple. The ship is on the mayor. The ship is on the mayor that will be the base. After Mishka I will say mom. You could even use that mom. It's not a problem. Shut that. Use it. It's not It's not a car anymore. You you create a mom and then it's not a car. Hold on a second. So, so you don't have to go backwards. You have to turn the page back to see this rash. The rash says fascinating thing. The ship is on the mayor that will be the mayor that will be the mayor that will be the mayor. that you have to have intent to do something. And if since you didn't have intent to make him a mom, you didn't care. You don't want to be a mom. You wanted to save its life. It just so happens to be now he has a mom. So, I'm allowed to even eat it. What's the question on this that every Oh, no separation. You can't say I'm going to take blood from its eye. I'm going to stick a needle I hate to say but that's one of the things that the rash is I, the ear. I'm going to poke it in the ear, pull blood out. But I didn't have intent to make him a balmum. What do you mean? There's no other way to poke an animal in the eye and not make it a balmum. When you poke in the eye, it is a balmum. You can't say oh, I didn't mean it. For instance, we just had a you know, a little while ago when what's the classic example of Dove Sham Mashavin? Dragging a bench. You're not allowed to drag a bench on Shabbos if it's going to create uh a furrow. But if you're not sure, then you're allowed to. But if you know 100% it's going to create a uh charitz, you're going to dig into the ground, then you're not allowed to. So there also, you know 100% sure you're going to create a moment animal. So you says that this is not a Dove Sham Mashavin. Okay, so they're Sham talk about it. Rebbe Yehudah Mashavin Mashavin Mashavin Mashavin Mashavin Rebbe Yehudah is the far extreme from Rebbe Sham. Rebbe Sham says you can create a mum and you can even shecht it on this mum. He says don't touch this animal. If it needs to die, it dies. Why? Because there's something called Adam Balaam Mashavin. Person he he goes crazy when he wants to save his things and if you say you're allowed to save it but just don't make a mum mum, he's not going to differentiate. One time he's going to make a mum. He's not going to So he says you know what? Better you can't save anything. Shamai is strong. Or Rebbe Akiva Rebbe Akiva Akiva No, no, so we have now four shitas. Four shitas. Again, what are the four shitas? You have I have an animal I have an animal that's about to die from if you don't let blood. And but it's a Bechor. You're not allowed to create a mum on a Bechor. One shita is Rebbe Yehudah says do not touch him. That's the far extreme. One shita is Rebbe Sham says touch him, put him put the needle wherever you feel like. Not only that, you get to shecht it. It's not it's not a Bechor anymore. It's a balmum. Then you have Rebbe Meir that says you could only do it in a situation in a case in a way that there's no mom at all. Then then you could do blood letting. Make sure there's no mom. Khakham say no. You can make a mom. Just make sure that you're not going to use this as an excuse to say, "Oh, it's not a bukhar." Omar Khakham might then be makhames akha makhames. So, it's a very similar idea. Shulkhav, that's our sugia. That you you're over on khames even though you were over on khames 5 minutes ago on the same on the same mincha. D'asiv, "Lo yisa also khames." Lo yisa ofe khames. So, there's two things that I'm over on on braiding this bread because it's this mincha because it's khames, forming it, and 5 minutes later I'm over again on the same khames for putting it in the oven. B'misora is akha misora shulkhav. So, this is also a paladig thing to castrate an animal. So, listen to this. The pasuk says four things. Umakh b'khoses v'nosokh v'kharos. These are all four different ways that a person is is is a soris. So, you're khayev one after another. D'asiv, "Umakh, it's squeezed. B'khoses, crushed. V'nosokh, severed. V'kharos, you you cut it." Im akaris shulkhav unless it was koshkin. If if if you to to cut is a lot less than sever it completely. Im akaris shulkhav unless it was koshkin. And if it was akha koshkin shulkhav. Doing it to sever, in other words, listen to this. If there was a a krisa, which is it was cut. Now, this animal can't have children. If you go ahead and you sever it completely, you're over again. It's a pella. Isn't that a pella? And this animal's done. Done. It's out of the parsha. It's a soris l'khul alma. But if you do another you take more action mum after mum But, in our Sugya we have a machlokes that what? This animal is dying. It's a dying animal. If you don't do blood letting, it's going to die. The word call call any mum ever. Meaning, even if it already has a mum you're not permitted to add another mum to it. This is making a mum is only on something that's complete. That's whole. This animal is not a whole animal. It's already dying. So, it's not a problem to make a mum. Just don't use this as an excuse. What is he going to do? It says before us that the the the issue of the mum is on something complete. If a animal was born with a with a mum that's how it was born. So, it never had a chance to to become kodesh. And then you you you're allowed to put you're allowed to put a you're allowed to make it another mum. So, tomorrow I don't understand. It's just a it's a palm tree. What do you mean a palm tree? It never it never had the same goal. Sometimes you have a carbon that became you can't you can't bring it as a carbon. So, what do you do? You you you redeem it. So, after you redeem it you're allowed to if you you you could put a mum in it. Why? So, how many give it a mum? Why? Because it still has a little you know share it you know work it. But, more than that maybe you're not allowed to put another mum in it. Come ask what you're allowed. What do they do with the word call mum but? Call mum in mum. You're not allowed to put a mum in an animal in a car. >> Or what if you don't do the mom itself? The mom you do something that's going to cause it to have a mom. Shouldn't put any dough on its ear or or something else that's that's delicious. Call mom. That's what they do with the word call. Omar Omar mom Omar comem. You're not allowed to inflict a mom by yourself, but you're also not allowed to pour some chocolate on the ear so that another animal or something should come and take it off and make it mom. Boy, say have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. Mdyisponsor.com [music] or sponsoredmy.com.