CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 55 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> So, what do we have? We have two things. We have look at what you're saying. Like it was back then. Can we say him? What it is now? Okay, so that that's just the side law in general. When you have an item in front of you, do we go do we look at it now? Right now, it's a cabezota. So, it's macabre to my turn timer. Or no, yesterday or 5 hours ago it wasn't it was a half a bit so now it just got wet and it blew up. Do we view what it is right at this moment or what it was before? Can we say him means can we say who? Right now. Look at mice and the back is going to look at my show how you so much makes it easier. The commission how you like it was it used to be. The llama plus the how you okay. So, rather Omar Sorry, rather Omar. But we're holding over here. We mean now. We mean now. Two lines from the top of the new hammer now. We mean now. Omar laser bear be honest to say yes so we we saw yesterday uh rather is the one that says What does rather say? Can we say Can we say we go by what it is right now? And then we have a question from rather rather laser bear be honest to say rather laser bear be honest to say we had the story yesterday and we all repeat it. I bow you know it all as a great guy or a show of my soul I'll teach him should be a cola. On Friday we used these dates. But it's actually figs. I didn't have figs I used dates. So, over here we have um These are basically they're all um We're we're we're to pretend that this guy is a regular fig, okay? Just bear with me. This is a regular fig, even though it's not. It's more like a dried fig, but it's a This is a regular fig. This the guy's mom is dried up, you see? It's all You see This guy is half the size, shrunk. Shriveled. If you look closely, it's a shriveled something. Okay. So, this is what it used to be, and this is what it is today, right now. So, my father used to take 10 of these, one per 10. 10 of these for 100 of these. Now, what's the problem? 10 of these are half the size of 100 Each one is half the size of a of a normal fig. So, how could 10 of these work for maaser on 100 of these, 90 of these? That's the question. So, what's the answer? The answer is that we don't go We don't look at it now. Oh, yeah, it's shriveled up now. But, yesterday or a week ago, before you put in the sun, before it went through the whole process, this was the same size as this. So, you're allowed to You're allowed to use shriveled up figs as maaser on the regular size figs. Why? Because we go like it was shahu. Like they used to be. Not what it is today. It works great if we go back to what it used to be. But, it's going to be literally This is half half the size of of a regular one, let's say. So, you took You gave maaser half the amount, 50% what you supposed to give. You supposed to give probably 20 of these, not 10 of these. 10 of these is not good for 90 large guys or even one of these for 10 of these. There's probably 10 of these in here, right? 4 5 6 7 About that. One of these for for nine of these is not good. You need two of these for nine of these. So, we must say So, he says, you know, all you need to do is not a big deal. This What are you You're looking at it as all shriveled up. It's not a big deal. Here, take a look. What you do is you take the shriveled up uh figs and you boil them You put them in hot water. Since it's only missing one little thing, you put They they blow up to what they used to be. So, in maila, we can view this We can view this guy as a as a large as a large guy. Maila, you can take a maaser from him. It's not a problem. Okay? So, now we're discussing whether or not you can take these shriveled up guys and use them as trumas maaser. Again, what's trumas maaser? Trumas maaser, truma is what you give the cohen like 1 2%. It could be a anything you give you Typically, you give 2%. So, you start off giving the cohen. Then, whatever you have left, let's say you have 100 apples, 100 grapes, you give two to the cohen. Then, you give 10% of whatever you have left, you give to the Levi. Just to make it easy, you say give 10 out of the 98. You give 10 to the Levi. You said it's a little bit of a problem to give it too much, but uh you know, if it's better, it's also okay. Then, the Levi takes his from his 10 grapes, he gives 10% to the cohen. That's called trumas maaser. He takes truma off his maaser that he already received. So, that's what we're talking about right now, because otherwise it's going to be problematic. Based on what we learned the other day. So, any gregarious the mocking regaling last to any and gregarious. In a place where it's a khakhma to make this to dry this out. You know, if you take grapes and you leave them on your counter in the kitchen, what's going to happen? They're going to spoil. To make them into raisins, you have to know what you're doing. To make this into a dried fig, you have to know what you're doing. Not everybody knows how to do it. It's a process. So, in a place that they take this nice juicy fig, which it's not. This is already If it's in a place that it eventually it's going to turn into this, they know how to do it. So, you're allowed to take the large ones and use them as trummus maaser, the ladies allowed to give 10% of large ones to the coin. We're not concerned that it's going to go bad. They They know how to do it. They They know how to take a a nice juicy fig and then make it into a dry fig. Because look, let let me just explain before we even start the sugia. This There's a mile to both. What's so good about this nice juicy fig? If I'm talking about giving it to the coin, what's the what's It's gishmak. It's juicy. What's the mile? Everything has a mile and has What's the mile of this? Long lasting. Long lasting. What's the khissaron in this? It's not juicy. It's not gishmak. What's the khissaron in this? It's not long lasting. So, each one has a mile and khissaron. So, I can use this as maaser as long as I know how to, you know, make it last. The light gregarious out there in them. But, this you can't you can't use these guys, these shriveled up ones, on on on good nice juicy figs. Why? What's the svara? Why not? Uh if you're doing it by count. There's two ways to do it. I'm doing one for every 10. I can't do it because this one is a shriveled up guy. How's it going to work for for nine juicy ones? If I'm going to go by weight, that's something else. Weight, volume, okay, that's a little different. But we're talking about numbers now. 1 to 10, I can't do it. 1 to 9, no good. Too small. But like you got to tell me what you want to give me to give me what you want. It's not going to work. Why? Because I'm giving too too little mice. I'm giving you half the amount. Oh my my, what did we just see? Determine my what I want to give me what I want. It's not going to work. Why? Because I'm giving too I'm allowed to use the nice juicy ones for my sir as long as I as as somebody knows how to use it how to how to put it away and keep it for a long time. Now, why? If we think for a second, why do you need to put it away for a long time? I'm giving it to the cohen. No, no, but the cohen is going to eat it. I give it to the cohen. The cohen is going to eat it. Then what's the terrace? The cohen went back to Manchester to do his uh truck thing. He's not here. He's not here. You got to wait until he comes back, right? The cohen is giving him the cohen is giving him the light. If it's a place that they don't know how to do this process, you know how to do it. Why? Because it's going to spoil. Hey, tell me how to give me what I want to give me what I want. It's not going to work. Why? Because I'm giving too too little mice. I'm giving you half the amount. Here's the question. Why do I have to be able to to to shrivel it up? Give it to him as is. But now, here's the question. Typical classic case. Your wife just took a giant onion, cut it in half. So now you have half an onion that you can use for trumah. What do you give to the cohen? This half an onion that's juicy and you shmak or one of those tiny little onions, but it's whole. What's better to give to the cohen? A boy side. The cohen is right here. Huh? He's right here. The cohen is right here. You give him the half juicy one. Because it's juicy. It's kishmak. This one I don't know. It's too small. Says the Torah, I can't give the cohen what I want to give me what I want. It's not going to work. Why? Because I'm giving too too little mice. I'm giving you half the amount. If there's a cohen, you give him the better, the juicy and over here you should give the coin the nice juicy figs, not the shriveled up ones. What do I What do I care? Says the Gamorah like a coin. Obviously we're talking about a situation there's no coin around. Oh, so now this is classic Gamorah. So now the race is talking about there's no coin. So the safe obviously also has to be talking about there's no coin. But the safe is talking about there is a coin. So now we have a problem. The race is talking about there's no coin. The safe is talking about there is a coin. What do we do? Moses ah, the race is talking about there is no coin. The safe is but it's not so good. Okay. But that's classic. There's no coin. And the safe what do you do about the safe? It says there are no you cannot use these these dried up ones for maicer on juicy ones. Why? Because they're half the size. It's not the right amount. They're going to go by number, right? If you go by weight material it should be okay. You're going to go by weight, by value, you can use cuz now you're giving enough maicer. But if you're going to go by numbers one one of these guys is not equal to one of the the juicy guys. How could you give maicer on one of these on nine nine juicy ones? >> Bigger doesn't necessarily mean juicier. >> But they're bigger in volume. >> No, it means the >> one to one one to one. >> The first and dry fig. >> Here, check this out. >> a big one is not >> Sorry, hold on a second. Hold on a second. Does this make sense for you? I'm going to give maicer to the shriveled up guy on these guys right over here. Does it make sense? Juicy not juicy. This is small and these are nice and light, right? And there's also a fig, a shriveled one. >> Yeah. We worked hard to shrivel it. It's a shrivel. Here, look. It has the seeds inside. This is a shriveled Could you just work with me for a second? >> I'm with you. >> Not 100% accurate. These are also kind of dry. But pretend they're not. This is shriveled and these are not. How am I going to give mice or from a shriveled guy? Now, if this if you give me enough weight, 10% of what's here, that's fine. But, if you're going to go by numbers, 1 2 3 4 9, here's 9, and I'm going to take this shriveled guy and put it against the 9. It doesn't work. This is this This is not a good thing for for these nine guys. So, you have to say that it does work. Why? It's better to take something that lasts long. These now all of a sudden the shriveled one has more value than these large ones, these juicy ones. Why? Because it's going to wait there and not get ruined until the coin comes back. You're going to tell me in one mission two different cases? And yes, sometimes that is what we have to do. This is interesting cuz we only have this two times in Shas. The Rabba comes along and gives us his side. Cuz this this idea is I said it's classic. We have this all the time all over. This question, how could the Reisha be like this and Seifa like that? The Gemara says yes. But, over here you see it. You saw it. It says the Rabba and the Gemara say three times. It's better It's more It's a chok. I agree cuz we like to to put everything in the same case. But, it's better to do two cases than two different Tanaim. You saw it in in Shas. We we rather say that the Mishna is talking about uh uh something we don't like to do usually, two different cases, where then then to say it's two different Tanaim. Says the Mishna. There's three Halachas here. Every Mincha most minchas, you have to knead the dough. So, that's alacha number one. Alacha number two is the portion. That's to be in warm water. You don't want to do it in hot. You don't want to do it in cold. Portion. When shabbos comes, you have to you have to make sure that they don't become chometz. What do you do that they don't become chometz? It's not just watching it. You have to actually move it. You have to it has to be in constant motion. Constant kneading. The chometz dough And if you didn't and then you allowed it to become chometz, leaven, she and chometz is she over by the sauce. If the she right, what is she right? She right means after you do chometz, the kind of chometz, and whatever is left over is good for the kind. Afterwards, you over by the sauce. She it's interesting. The mission is going to go back to before chometz. She call the mincha the cream of the chometz. So, now we have a source that before chometz is done, I should take cream of what you are going to put on the bayach. You have to make sure the sauce of chometz, you cannot make it chometz. The chive sauce of Valerie chos Valerie also. Every avoida, every every stage of the the process of making a mincha, if you're not careful that it should be chometz, you're over, you get malcus. You'll get malcus on on kneading chometz, on braiding it, making it a nice shape, Valerie also, and also on baking it. Men on a millie Omar slockish the sauce of chometz come. Now, the sauce of men on a millie on after the after the chometz, after the second part. The sauce of chometz come. What does that mean? I Even the part that goes to the coin the Shira in how do you know this is this a is there to make the Shira in comments that's from Halcom. This possible is all for comments Halcom comes to something completely different. So it's not available to tell me that if you you make Shira in comments that you're over. The what? Loy self comments not that I would learn how do I explain uh Loy explain never Loy say also comments. We already know that you shouldn't make comments. What is it Loy say also offer? So you have a general what is this called? This is a cloud. Loy say also comments is a cloud. A general Halacha. Make sure it doesn't come comments. Then it says Loy say offer comments. One part of the process of the baking you shouldn't make comments. So why does the Torah tells talk about baking? It already says make sure it's not comments. Maybe only have on one one one malcus on all four actions. Lisha What do we have? We have Aricha. Well actually right now we only have three. Afia Maybe have one one love. The what? Baking is included in in a sia in making bread is one of the things how do you make bread? You have to put it in the oven. So why do they come out? To make a heckish to the other the other things in the process the other avoiders. My fear that I should see master CD. Afia is special. It's a it's a it's a master Hasha. It's something important. Otherwise you're going to be eating dough. Obviously you have to put it in the oven. And you have malcus just for putting it in the oven as chametz. So, any masa There are masa that are not so important. Let's say putting the sesame seeds on top of it. I don't know what. Last week it off. What does that mean? Hold on. Here we go. Right here. It's It's You know, like basting. Women do it today with the egg yolk or whatever. It's putting the water on it. Everything. Any Any masa What What did we miss? There's something called kitov. Putting the water on top of it is also very important for the making of the of the mincha. It's a individual masa It's a masa And you're each and every one you're four malkos over here. You could be liable. So, we forgot already after all the videos and everything. We have a middle of a question. What's the question? Question is Lo chametz doesn't come to tell me that if you do if you make shirayim chametz that you're liable. Lo chametz we're learning that you're liable on each and every one. Just like afiyah is an important masa, so too the lisha, the tifa, they're all important. We're learning something else from the pasuk. So, how do you learn? How do you know that if you if you aren't careful with the shirayim and it became chametz that you're liable? I'm not The chelkem coming in. I'm talking about The chelkem means from the part that goes to the kohen. That's where I was learning. Not from the lo chametz, but rather from the word chelkem that even in shirayim you're liable if you didn't keep it matzah. It became chametz. Ask the Gemara, but if the word chelkem is referring to shirayim, maybe the whole Maybe the entire pasuk is talking about shirayim. How do you know it's talking about other things? The word the word chametz The word the word is You see in the word refers to So how should you say it? You might have to come. You shouldn't bake comments [snorts] you should write. Since it was written differently than it should have Plus the word so you have two different you should write them and then you have each and every one. The maybe the said specifically from all the different things that you can do in a bread the spoke about baking. So maybe if you bake a bread you break them in you have comments you have one. Enough if you do all three If you do the you should be one additional one. So how many of you have total? For God all four how many you have? Two. Two one for that and one for all three other ones. So maybe the you know what I'm saying. So the we also have the meat. So here we go trauma time. But not in MDY. If something was in the generalization the says so often we saw what's the over there? You shouldn't make comments. That includes what? Includes everything. So why does the specify one of the ones? Let's say often. Sorry I skipped. I went backwards. It It in the generalization. It was in the whole cloud. The cloud is anything that has to do with baking. And then the Torah picked dafka dafiya, picked on him. Said, "Oh, you bake." So, where is he coming to Dallas? The ultimate cloud came out. Lo atzei otzo didn't come to to talk about itself. Ela atzei otzo kuliotzo. Mamelo each and every one gets a love. Just like a field has its own love, so too every single one of the four things gets a love with the other three things. Each one is a love of niotzo. Not If you do all three, you get one love. If you do all three, you get three lovem. With three different malkus. As the Gemara of emalei se oso cloud lo se oso prat. This is very simple, right? Lo se oso You shouldn't make. Shouldn't make is a generalization. What does it make? Everything that includes making of the mincha. But then the Torah talks about goes down to one little thing called lo se oso, don't bake prat. So, what's the halacha? What do Now, if we do this about prat, it's very very simple. When the Torah talks about a generalization, it's everything. And then the Torah talks about one little thing. What just happened? >> [clears throat] >> The Torah says, "Forget about generalization. We're just going to focus on this one thing." We're not even going to go to another cloud at the end. Cuz what happens in another cloud is then the Torah opens it up again. But it has to be similar to the middle guy. But we're not doing that. There's a cloud and then a prat. Think about it. It's very important now. Yeah? The Torah generalizes and then the Torah says, "No, only this." So, it's only this. What if the Torah did the opposite? Torah says, "Only this." And then the Torah says, "And then everything." So, what happens? No, it's everything. Not even like that. Everything. So, as the Gemara of emalei se oso cloud, but this lo se oso, don't make, means includes all four avodas. Lisha, richuk, tifa, and afiya. It's a cloud. It's a generalization. But then the Torah narrows it down very much. Let's see over don't bake. So you take all those three things you put them on the side. The klal was very very specific now. It's only talking about baking. We have a problem here. Maybe you don't get malchus at all for those three guys on the side. Since they're very far away from each other, they're in different parshas, says Rashi. One is in Vayikra, one is in Sav. You're you're right. You should you should have a klal uprat, but it doesn't work because they're far away from each other. So what if they're far away? Even if they're far away, you see you could learn it. We're talking about the the chatas of the nasi. Nasi is the king. If he if a king sins, he doesn't bring the same the same uh carbon that everybody brings. He brings a sair. And where should he bring it? It should be like an oila. Where do we shacht an oila? We all know. Katchi katchi. Where do we shacht the katchi katchi? In the bayis say. In tzofon. What's tzofon? Here. Like this this side of the mizbayach. Tzofon. Am zev itzofon. So too the nasi. Any the the place where you shacht oila you shacht all chatas. Why did the king's chatas why is it different? Likavod. What does the cover mean? We said in in in cotton anytime the Torah says something twice that means We learn from here that if you don't chef it's it's a cover. We did if the Nazi doesn't chef in the north in the north it's possible. Maybe it's to say this is the only thing that's you have to chef in the north. Other covers you don't have to. This teaches us you learn from here that every single uh carbon as we learned in that everyone but that you have to you have to chef in the north. Time to go so the more continues. Time to go you have to we learn from these words you have to do that you have to chef the the Nazi's uh carbon in the north. I think that the kings but not no no other carbon. My time is not a cloud product. Because we have a cloud product here. Even though they're the cloud and the product in two different parts she is but I'm going to say that the Torah when the Torah said they should chef in the north was talking about one thing only. When you have a cloud generalization then a specification of very specific thing only the king only the king has to chef in the north. So he is pushing off this question. Hi what are you talking about? Hi cloud product? The Nazi it says what do we say? The Torah says you chef the on the north. And then we say well maybe it's very specific to the king's house. But guess what? King king comes first. comes second. What is that called? Nobody tell them. What is it called? No, king first. And product cloud. King first Pratt and then everything else cloud. They're not from a It's a Pratt to cloud. What's Pratt to cloud? We have the King comes first then comes a generalization or for toys. So what should the law be? Or for toys should be on the top end. If it was the reverse or for toys and then the toys explain that or for toys it's only referring to one specific cause in the world called the King's orders. Okay, so then it will be specific. Asks the law what are you talking about? We're not even talking about a cloud of pride. We're talking about a Pratt to cloud. It's very similar words cuz they are the same words but they're reversed. Masculine cloud Pratt to Pratt to cloud though it's not a cloud and then a Pratt. It's a Pratt the King came first and then the cloud. The nasty cloud moist of a Pratt. So what happens if the King came first? So that's a very specific thing but then it opens it up as a generalization. Generalization means called me all of those. I don't know so obviously we're not talking about a cloud Pratt. Don't bring me a right. Don't ask me a question that we see what was the asking? See that you could do a cloud of pride even though they're very far from each other. It's not a cloud of pride. It's a Pratt to cloud and it's not even a question. I think it's actually the there's a question that says I saw it by the King. Why do you know she's a top something maybe I saw it. Only the King's carbon needs the north. Why? Because I guess we should stop here. Have a wonderful week. No sirens in the middle of the night. >> [music] >> Merit the cause of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsoredmdy.com