CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 52 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Ah, friend of you shampoo in my voice I We're holding all the way in the bottom of the 151 on the base momish 50 into Mr. Manassas. Today we're going to finish the famous pericarp kalos. They all perish like you my effort they write to see one of the things we talk about the course of common. And this has nothing to do with the we're just finishing out the area. We were talking about a coin Godel and his what happens when he dies. So one of the things that they better was about para. When there's tumor there's too much maze person goes to the touches the person he cannot become tired unless we sprinkle him with para Duma ashes mixed with spring water. And how common about para you my effort they write to see that sorry but effort period. So the the para Duma's a fur the ashes how common were talking that if you use it and the was going to say soon they used it on wounds they like the the ashes are good for different things means you're not over that's what the was talking you're not over on other words you don't have to bring a carbon you don't have to bring you don't have to pay 25% etc. >> [clears throat] >> As the tomorrow what do you mean it's the kind of the the rabona they write to see the tires says that there's no there's no sir you probably shouldn't do it but you don't have to bring a carbon and everything when you use the ashes of a para do how do I see it in the tire the sign here how to see he it [clears throat] the the the actual para do it self with a mission while I'm about if you use the para do it self you're over I mean you know he but my alien the effort do base on it says before it's over here that my right so So tires says, better than that said that there's no meilah on ashes. The Torah says there's no meilah on ashes. Omar said that it's very similar to what we said yesterday when it comes to the coin godol. The right my name is A 100% right. In the Torah it says that there's no there's no concern when it comes to the ashes. There's no meilah. You don't have to bring a carbon if you use it. Given the hazal the hazal by people were mamesh uh treating it disrespectfully. Why? How? Because I have the name of my cousin. They used it for their wounds. God may So said the right the Torah says there's no meilah. We want to make meilah. So of the name of my cousin so the said this is not good. It's not good because people are are disrespecting. God So they said okay. It's awesome to use the ashes. Given the cooperation But people now were so scared to touch these ashes. Every time you use it a little bit that you become you have to start bringing hundreds of dollars and then carbonas and then running to the base of God. So they stopped using it. When a person had some sort of tuma they bring what tuma. So I guess anybody can come up with the a person walks underneath the tree that there's a there's some sort of tuma source underneath and you think that spreads but it depends on how wide the the tree is etc. The branch. So now he's like not so partial. So oh I don't know if I said this given the hazal the cooperation from where the right is the wind back again. The Torah says no meilah on afor. People started disrespecting so there is meilah. That's exactly And then once we saw that people are so scared to use it. And they had a they stayed away from it. So they said you know what there's no meilah on afor. So we'll see So we had this many we had the whole misakta hoyas. When Bezden decides that a certain type of let's say is motor, they make a mistake in a law law law. So the all of class all together they have to bring a bull. And if they say that certain of the Zoro is okay, then all of class all have have to bring a goat. The question is where do we get the money for the for the bull? Where do we get the money from the bull? There's two options. Either we take it from the regular from the solid score, which is the the money that we start collecting today today. The master schedule is collected this today on to show them that's when they start putting out the tables and they start doing the mcbit manage today. And this is [clears throat] where we buy the carbon toment and all the carbon is for the misbah. Or perhaps there's a brand new collection just for this bull. And we force every single year in class all that they do a vera to be part of it special. I don't understand how that works exactly. Like let's say everybody gives a 25 cents. Isn't it like you're going to have too much money eventually, you know? Okay. However it works. So by the social TV have a Zoro but he love my villain land. You make a brand new Here we go. The killer maggot man says review that there's a brand new magbit. You you you collect money just for this. I'm sure I'm going to miss a solid score in one. No, no, no, no. You don't make a brand new. You get it from the master schedule. That's the money that I need for the bull. It's it's in reverse. You're you're review the review the shaman are backwards. The this >> [laughter] >> this is more of a tall of the yellow the master tall. It's a it's a manage mistake. So here we go. So it's backwards. So what are we doing things are backwards? Says the Gamora. Oh, then I have a cool. This is like the the clowns. What do we learn? That it's Reb Shimon that says we make a brand new collection for the for the bull. So now, if you notice on my chart over here, I put under the word Reb Yehuda ratio that put alacha. It's fascinating. We all know Reb Shimon bar Yochai. We all go to his cave. Go on the dot. Reb Shimon bar Yochai wrote the Zohar. No, a lot of like Reb Yehuda. When he argues with Reb Shimon, alacha like Reb Yehuda. So now we need to know what did Reb Yehuda say? That's all we care about. We want to know what the alacha is like. So him and I agree so. Which one was said last? The one that was said last, that's the one that the Tanaim decided Reb Yehuda decided I'm I'm going with this way. This way. So I'm Reb Baruch bar Abba let me come I the thing that we just this price that we just learned before that it's Reb Yehuda that says we make a brand new collection. That's the last one in May. That's alacha we make a brand new. Why? Because it makes sense. We said yesterday Reb Shimon's concerned about the shaim not paying up the the shorim, the their father, the gadol who died, his mincha. We're we're concerned that people don't care. So how you going to collect money from all of Israel? They're not going to pay up. I'm Reb Ashi bar Abba so no. It's not a good taina on Reb Shimon. He he asked Reb Shimon when does Reb Shimon say that people don't pay up? Let's go. When people are not connected to it. When Beis Din says you you shorim have to pay for your father's korban. Why? Make it taze up. Cuz you know why? Because it was costing the Beis Din too much money. It's not my problem, it's your problem. Figure out. Go go collect some money. That's why why do I have a right to my my father already gave his shorim. Why do I have to pay my father's korban? Oh, but this is korban like Reb Shimon but obviously every Yid wants a korban. A Yid is a Yid and he ate it by mistake. He wants to get the korban. There's nothing going to prevent him from paying up. May have a lot at the end of the day. Do we make a brand new uh collection or do we take the money for the para the para from Trumas Halishka? All my says three times about a carbon carboni lachmi lishai. What is this this is the famous possible where do we say this? We say we should say it every morning. I I try to say this every morning at least if I don't say carbonas at least this parshas tamid. There are many more of that. So, there's a lot of carbonas here. The rabbis para shall see was just like the tamid comes out of this collection of comes out of the Trumas Halishka the Reb Shimon. Reb Shimon is the one the final one who brings a possuk that it goes so much and it's going to stay like this. The Trumas Halishka is Reb Shimon and a brand new collection is Reb Yehuda and that's the end of the story. Now, we said I already pointed this out in the Mishnah but okay when a kohen gadol dies and we don't have a replacement then or Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda. You hear the shaila? And we know the answer. When when we bring we said that there's no kohen gadol now. So, you bring the holy sardine and you don't divide in half. We said it's a possuk you don't divide in half. You bring the entire sardine. When do we do this twice a full sardine and the answer is going to be yes a full sardine twice. One in the morning one in the evening. Well, Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda Reb Yehuda So, we had this you all remember this. There's by the carbon tamid there are there are 13 look how beautiful you all should do this. So, Reb Yishmael the carbon tamid took care of the carbon time. Take a look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Unbelievable. And we said that the cuts of the meat, you have to put it towards your body so you don't see it doesn't look ugly. It looks beautiful. All thing. Carbon cayenne number eight. What does he do? Carbon cayenne number eight, you can see over here. He's zoom in on him. He's in charge of the carbon time. Of the of the breads of the carbon time. Do me a favor. Seriously. Maybe we should learn a little bit, no? Wow. We just lost a lot of people to the to that competition one. Nothing but the daf. It's going to be a short one. Okay. So, you hear the raya? Cayenne number eight, he brings the carbon time. And if it's true that you don't bring a mincha carbon time. The carbon time doesn't bring Not the carbon time. The carbon time is dead. So, we don't bring instead. We only bring it once a day. So, when you bring the carbon time at night, there's instead of having 13 carbon time, you're going to be missing number eight. He has nothing to do, number eight. What is he going to carry? There's no carbon time. In a case that we don't have a carbon time, where is What's what number eight going to do? So, we don't have eight. Now we're going to learn straight. I remember carbon time every Hear me out. So, they said over They said this over to Listen to this. Omar These these people that live in Babel are stupid. You know why they're so they're so dumb? He's talking about other men. Because they live in a dark land. It's a land of darkness. And when you have a marsh when you're you're depressed, you can't think well. What's the question? So he said, "Well, you're asking me what to do with the number eight. And what are you going to do with number seven and number nine?" Number seven is the one that holds the flower. Number nine is the one that holds the wine. And you don't use them every day. How can I mean the way badly? What every single day you have to have somebody holding flower and somebody holding wine? Min chosam in this game it says in fortune of apostle two words, what do you do? We learn from it belayla. That you could bring if you don't bring wine that day, you bring it the next day. So sometimes the you don't have number nine, sometimes you don't have number eight. You don't have always have 13 of them. Hello the like Tony. We're not talking about if Yeah, some situations if the kind of died, you're right. You're not going to have number eight. Sometimes if you bring the the the mincha the next day the the silas and the in the next day, you're going to have two two less of them. And if the kind of dies, you're going to have one less of them. How do you come up with a problem? So they said that you say this over the problem. Omar And then says Rabbi, you know what? No, I was just saying this morning, I did learn this morning and I was thinking that maybe sometimes you have to start to say something bad about something somebody so it's not it's not even that's why I didn't want to say it, but when you say when you say something negative or they say okay, when you let's let's talk about this. When you when you give a order to to somebody in your family, to your child, let's say this. But you have to say before you say you have to say you have to say you have to give him the 10 before you say one maybe. Usually you're very smart, but today you're a dumb. I hear. Omar So it's says Rabbi, no no no, we were right. Why? Us in in bubble were right. So it's a diamond. We we saw the positive other day. It says by by Havitan, so it's Mincha Tamid. Harei hiluch kamin Tamidim. Treat the Havitan treat the Mincha of the Koin Gadol like a carbon Tamid. That what? It's Tamid Yomi. It's every single day. It's morning and evening. We never stop. May have a halo. Do we bring in a soren in the morning and the evening twice or just one soren in Yisrael when there when there's no Koin Gadol? All right, we saw it in the Shulchan Aruch Shulchan Aruch Yisrael. Is it meforash? Bring one full soren in the morning. Typically, we take a soren we divide it. Half in the morning, half in the When you don't have a Koin Gadol, it's a new a new thing that the Torah says. A full soren in the morning, full soren in the evening. Let me ask you a question. When we bring in a soren and we divide it in half, we also divide the the frankincense in half, the levona. Yeah, yeah. We take a kumitzah and we do a half of the kumitzah in the morning cuz it's half of a soren and half a kumitzah in the evening. Yeah? When do we bring a full a full kumitzah with one soren and then in the evening a full a full kumitzah or not? Not kumitzah. Kumitzah of the of the of the levona. The levona you go like this. Yeah, how much levona do you take? A kumitzah worth. So, do we divide Typically, we divide it in half because it's only half of a soren. So, we give half of a kumitzah for the morning, half of the kumitzah in the evening. But today that that we don't have a Koin Gadol this particular day, so we're going to do a full soren of flour and a full soren of flour. Does the full soren of flour require a full kumitzah or still the kumitzah we're going to go half? All right, we're going to apply it to all. I have a Yosi ben the story of We have a machlokes. I have a Yosi ben the story of machlokes of shnei kumitzos of shulavina. Kamin shaar is kamin shaar of arbayim. Sorry, I messed up. Every single day when the coin brings his mincha every day. Says that you have to you do a full community here. I forgot I don't know what I did with the maybe it's in the basement. Says you need two amounts. A full amount for the morning, a full amount in the evening. No, one amount and you divide this in half. Have enough. Says we don't never find a half a sheer. The sheer is a community. Who told you to divide a community in half? We never found a situation that one is sorry in a flower requires two communities. It's one community per every sorry. Now it happens to be that you divide the sorry in half. So you have to divide the community in half. Let let let us take it one more step further. Now now we're at that point. If the coin goes and dies and we don't have a replacement. She says Rashi climates chakra is the coin better. According to Rabanan The child is do you bring double community or not? Says Rashi beautifully. The question is only according to Rabanan because it's impossible to have a question according to why? Because what are you going to say? They should bring two communities. What is what does he say? He says that every half you do a whole. Where's my thing? Here we go. This is how we always do this story. Every day, two kmitzahs, one for the morning, one for the evening. Now, we have a situation, no coin godol. So, you bring a fully sod in the morning. So, what he's supposed to bring? Two of these now? For every sod you divide in half, half each sod goes this way, plus a full amount of kmitzah. Half each sod this way, full amount of kmitzah. Now that we put the these sod together, we're we're bringing back with all these sod in one shot. So, what you're going to do? Two bags of the of the Impossible. Really? Me, so the question is going to be me and me and all the sod and all the levinah. Do we say, "Look, we already established they're going to put a bring a holy sod in the morning and a holy sod in the evening." So, maybe you should double up these sod the the the levinah. So, instead of having one scoopful of levinah per day, you're going to have two [snorts] because you also doubled up. That's what Rabbeinu is saying. You're doubling up these sod. You're splitting the sod. Let's Let's mimic the levinah with these sod. Whatever these sod requires, that's what that's levinah. I do my mighty golly golly, no. The Torah said bring a fully sod in the morning, fully sod in the evening. But, the Torah never said how much levinah. Let's stick with the levinah, the original levinah. By the way, golly golly, the Torah didn't say double up the levinah. The shaman, and what about oil? You double up oil? Ben Yosi ben the story, Ben Baruch We have a question according to everybody now. Or it says that it's five times that you do kmitzah. Now, why doesn't it bring anything about a special kmitzah that's done for the coin godol? If it's normal, regular kmitzah, great. But, if it's not normal, it should be in this mishnah. The mishnah says the mishnah has law shiva. Sometimes when the coin godol dies, we bring a full kmitzah of levinah in the morning, a full kmitzah of levana in the evening. And that's considered two. Cuz anytime you divide it, it's brought in the mission also. Even if it's in one day, it's considered two. So the E like tonic, just one case that if the kind of all the dies and you have to bring and you do have to bring two levanas then. But it's not a child of why it's not in the mission. It doesn't belong there. What? Regular regular normal cases, correct. Says Rabba. I'm going to say about Rabba says so Rabba says back to Rabba. One of the things over there in the mission is what if somebody brings a outside of that's not a normal thing. It's very unusual. >> [snorts] >> Okay, good question. My have a problem. How much how much levana do we need when the kind of all dies? Let me prove it to you. It's not your kind of all maze. Here our case, kind of all dies. We don't have a replacement. You give a fully started in the morning, fully started in the evening. This answers our question but we don't know who goes according to. You give two measures. Claim and become is better by them. Now be very easy to say that this goes according to Rabba. Let's see. Remember the way she's looking. Actually, I even know I forgot his name. Remember the way she's looking. Only three look of oil which means that we don't change the oil amount. It says two measures of levana but only three look of oil. Look at how she's looking at Rabba. We divide it in half. Money in the Rabba on. It's a big problem. According to Rabba, you're doubling up the levana. You do double the amount cuz according to Rabba, there's only one bag of levana every single day for the kind of all. Every day, only one bag. Now that he's dead, we do two bags. That's doubling up the Levona. The problem is, if you double up the Levona, how come you don't double up the oil? How come it remains at three log? It should be six log of oil. So something's something's wrong here. It can't be Rabona. But if we say Elo Abiyos this is perfect. According to Abiyos, how many bags of Levona do you use every day? On a regular normal day for every coin Godol, two bags. One in the morning, one in the evening. And that's what it says over here. You're not doubling anything. It says you bring two bags of Levona. That's perfect. I I call it bags. It's Kmitzas Levona, yeah? Yom Yom every day of the year when he's when he's alive and well, you always bring two Kmitzas, two bags. So we're not doubling up the Levona over here in this bris that says you bring two two bags of Levona. It's not double. And and also the Shaman with three log, that's not double. Everything's normal. So what do we see from here? Over the Shaman Abiyos and the log So since nothing is doubled up So according to Rabona also, when the coin Godol is not alive anymore, we don't double up anything. In other words according to everyone, nothing's ever doubled. The only thing that's doubled when a coin Godol dies is the flower. But we don't double up not the Levona and not the oil. And with this we're going to be reciting the perek over the Yochonon Abiyos that every morning and every evening we bring a full amount of Levona. So it'll be two bags of Levona, let's call it. That's the Halacha. As the Gemara hockey, did he say this? Remember the Mishnah. That was like a regular like the like a Mishnah anonymous Mishnah. It was not And it doesn't talk about anything about two types of Kmitzas for a Minchas coin Godol. So the Gemara replied the market with the real leader of the market whether or not we're going to pass like the story I don't know how to explain how to explain how to have a wonderful forum students tables. 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