CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 5 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning live from Park City, Utah. We're holding. So let's go back just a second. We had the of Rav and today we're going to have two that argue on Rav. Rav says that if a carbon comes to allow you to do something for instance if you are a mitz or a nazer and you bring a carbon it allows you to go into the md allows you to drink wine if you're a woman you gave birth and you bring a carbon allows you the woman to eat kach such a carbon or the right he starts with the you bring the why do you bring the so they could eat the produce of last year what if you bring and you have the wrong intent. You think that it's not a it's not a it's a so says Rav since the whole purpose of this is to allow you to do something and you messed up. So take whatever you're doing and throw it into the garbage and ask questions. So if so how come it's not brought in the mish how come we only know of one or two things two two types of that you throw in the garbage. Here's the third one. Okay. So if you pay attention that is the first words is it's one of the examples brought as a carbon that if you it's it's a carbon that it's there for as a not aap but as a as a it's something that allows you to do something is one of the examples with intent that it's not let's say it's an so goes through a very lengthy process, probably one of the longest ones. It's not the longest. Different things he has to do in order to be tar. So, one of the things is the takes blood and pulls his ear in. He he puts blood on his right ear, on his right toe. Now he takes oil. After he puts the blood, first comes blood, then comes oil. Remember that. He puts seven drops on the floor towards the and then he takes oil and he puts it on top of the blood that's on the ear and on the thumb and on the big toe. So it says like that he didn't put the blood on the on the on the on the thumb. So it says over here that the asham continues according to what would you do with this of since it's there to allow the to do stuff and you messed up so throw it out and over here it says put on so it's a problem what do you mean you put on you have to throw it out you have to get the wines now you have to bring a second there's a massive cash on rav Okay. So now we have an opposing to so says I argue Rav says it's garbage it's possible and throw it in throw it out. I say not only is it not not possible it's cauter and you and you put it on etc. Just what the leftover of this you can't eat because you need another because the second is going to make all the food. So including the first the first to eat until you get a second. The third we're going to see is this exact thing minus that you have to wait for the second. It's kosher. You could eat it. You can do whatever you want with it. Even the the shar you could eat right now. Okay. as how could you put the first on why here's another concept called Israel means that in order for something to go into it has to be edible for it has to be something juicy means juicy but we can also learn it in terms of a drink for it's edible it's drinkable is from since the first is not edible. Why is it not edible? Because it's it's from the new crab and you can't eat from the new crab until you bring. So if you can't eat it, how do you put it on the asar? Yeah. You can't put on the why can't you put on for a number of reasons, but one of them is because you can't eat it. Yeah. Any food that you can't eat, you can't put on the So how can you put this news? What's a what's a good shot? What do you what would you say now if you had a guess? So the gar is going to say because you could put it since you could eat it at the end of the day. So it's within it's all within that day. So it's okay. It's just it's missing a few hours of you got to take care of some business and then you'll be it's not like it's a tra that you can never eat it. It's just not edible right now. >> Okay. says another Muslim and that is that there's no such thing as oh it's not it's it's you have to wait when when the waiting is that day if you just have to wait that day it's not considered waiting I just thought about it it's a good mus that maybe that's what the uh kupatim and and the d and all the stuff in they by this by by this idea. It's not considered waiting if if it's that day is not waiting. Okay, new new thing and a new sign. It's not considered that you're that that it's off limits. It's not off limits because at the end of the day you're going to be able to eat it. So right now it's considered edible. There are a bunch of things that birds that you bring in the in the mdash they have certain that doesn't have and the reverse also is true the special things about that birds don't have birds two people could be a partner on a bird but not a person who's they when the day they want to become they go to the mikvah they come out of the mikvah. What are they called? They have to wait until nightfall. Then they're still not completely tired. They must wait until the following day to bring a carbon. What kind of carbon? They bring a bird, but they don't bring a So, there's a lot of skipping around there. There's a lot of extra words in this. You'll see in the parenthesis. I wonder if the article even brings it. Oh, it's another concept but another hard thing to you need a bunch of lines here to explain this is four words which it has at least four lines of explanation maybe 14 I don't know but basically it's a very simple thing meaning that although it's user to do this yeah let's look at this what's this is maliko this is to take your thumb and and and cut the back of the neck of a bird you do that in park city Utah the bird is in a yet thera allowed this in the mdash so birds killing them through malik is in the there's nothing wrong with a that you made it m the is always good it's always kosher okay so that's the these are the the pluses the pros that birds have that don't have. What's so good about a that a bird doesn't have you must put the flower into special golden and then you shuckle it like you sh backwards forwards up down and you bring it to the what cornerwest >> southwest corner oh I want to tell you the story so don't don't forget if that this flower of the which is the first one is what are you waiting for for the second one to come along and you put the first one on the even though you cannot eat any of it and we ask the question that it's what it's something that's to eat you shouldn't be putting on the if you're right here I'm I'm it's like a bird typically a bird you're not allowed to do malik but I made a special uh dispensation. What's the word? That I'm allowed to do in the in the mikdash. Here I have food that I can eat. It's not edible. And I made a special dispensation that I'm allowed to put on right now. Here I have a situation where the food is also to eat. Why? Because it's before the came. But you want to put the first on the even though it's kind of ple even though you can't eat it. Oh, here it's says no. I already told you the answer that anything that has to do with that day since it's going to become that day at the end of the day when when I bring the second so even though right now he can't eat it it's not a big deal we're talking about a guy has an affliction of on his skin he has some white splashes he goes to the he says he has to go through the whole process so what do we say he has to the he brings three carbonas one of takes the blood, puts it on his thumb on on first on his ear, his right thumb, his right toe. But what happens if he did it in the wrong order? He he put the oil on before the blood. You should do it over. You should do the the oil again. After you put the blood on, put the the oil on and then is Oh, here the rest the rest of the oil, you put it on his head, on his bald head. So, what if he messed up? They put the oil on the fingers. But before they they did the seven sprays towards the you should redo the whole thing. You should you should do the you should fill up more oil and do it again. If you tell me there's no such thing as waiting and and being late or being early that day. So what's the difference if you did it out of order? Let him just do it out of order. Who cares? No, you can't do it out of order. Since it says the word it means it has to be exactly. So there's a certain order. The word means as is. I told you to put the blood first, the oil second. Don't go out of order. Asks now in in in the order of the carbonas. Let's see the carbonas here. Let's see where we have the first one that you is the then comes the so what if you did it out of order. you went out of order. You did the first instead of secondar says throw it out into the garbage. Don't sit there with you know shaking the blood so that it doesn't congeal is another concept. All it means is it means that you leave it overnight. Leave it overnight. Lina, if you want to do Lena's real quickly the animal, you do that's the meat from the the buser also was left overnight on let's say here's the blood the kids are overnight means that you make it you make something happen to the actual animal that it it changes um how would you describe it in in in English changes the way it is but all it means is that it stayed overnight once it stays overnight you don't want to take a a perfectly good animal that the meat is and and burn it it's not so you let it stay overnight oh now it's possible you know now you can burn it the question is so what if he went First he did the before the asham at the end of the day there's no difference in the same day the sign that we're going to put up in all the banks in Israel there's no time limit in in that same day as what do you mean there's no time limit we already answered that that there is a problem with the time because if the Torah says that means it has to be exactly so you can't go out of order if first like you See in this in this chart right over here is first. So it's first. You can't dosham second. If you do second it's it's throw it in the garbage because it says t. You're right. Typically speaking if it's the same day no first second but not now. No, he did have a good you know when you have to be very mid one, two, three when you're doing performing but before the is not a problem. Why? Because even here that means is not an it's not an important um how do you say aid in English? one of the one of the one of the is one of the jobs one of the um one of the functions in the in the B. So hold on. Oh, so the question is on the if you did the before the since it's not an essential because even Israel could do it. What's the big deal? Since it's that same day, who cares if it's out of order? Hello. Let me just finish this. You're asking me why does say that you put the on even though you can't eat it? We had a question. What was our first question? Remember the Israel. What does say it has to be edible but it's not edible put it on the that the first time so says I'll tell you why it's not the carbon that that allows you to eat the new crap it's the sun that comes out so if the sun comes out now I have food that's edible the first is edible you're the whole question is that the first that the is not edible and how if it's not edible how do you put it on it's not mashk The answer is it is mash. You could eat it. Why could you eat it? Because when the sun comes out on the second day of P, that's when the new crap becomes something. So this thing that that we just said that the new becomes when the sun comes out. He didn't say but we could understand from him that that's what he meant. So you have to stop right over there. Pause means you don't bring or that's how it says it in the just over here. It's a little different. It says but that doesn't mean that it means two different things and you don't bring you don't bring it before the before you bring the and if you if you did bring it possible it's possible. So here's that I said before that before you bring the two breads and right you bring the famous two breads and that's what's matter to bring any of the new crab. So you shouldn't bring any but if you did bring it after the fact here goes this is the 14th the 15th the second day of what do you see why is it bring on the second day of because right in the morning it becomes why everybody asks but what what's the Maybe is there's no right that was another maybe because it was that day that's why it's okay anyway they go into it that's so again we have two what are the two we have if you bring and you think the wrong thought you think in your head that this is not this is says throw it into the garbage I argue no you don't throw it in the garbage you take it you put it on the you can't eat anything from it until you bring a second comes and says no you could eat from it from the second I argue on also I say it's a good but it's such a good you don't even have to bring a second it's completely you're allowed to eat the leftovers this is what he adds and he says you don't have to bring a second one to be skip. Yeah. So he explains three. Yeah. I said that and adds a little bit to you don't even need a second. It has to be explain has to be a that doesn't have a what does that mean? It has to be somebody that's available to do that. It can't be great. And this is what we're looking for. Since the is so special, it's the only time of the year that we use barley for every other we have to use wheat. So since because it's something that's not available that's why he starts off and he says the reason why you don't need a second to be m is because the person forget the person it has to be meaning That's so that's not important to us. The middle thing is what's important to us and that's why says you don't need a second because it needs it has to be which excludes just means that if you have a misb it has a defect you can't use that. So we have check this out says from the cattle the question is why does it repeat the words from the cattle? So comes to say tremendous you cannot use a if you have an animal let's say that has a nail in its heart in its lung whatever it's a tra it's not going to live a whole year you cannot bring it as a carb think about it could you eat an animal that has a mum yes could you eat an animal that has a tra no right that's what they do they open up all the animals that we today they open it up and they check the heart, the lung, the whole thing. They check all these things and if they find something that looks like some sort of defect, they call it a tra and they sell it to the guy. We don't need from it. So, so too he can't bring such an animal on his says why do I need a these extra words that's basically until the bottom of the today. Why do I need these two these two words? I have a what's my very very simple an animal with a cast a broken leg if they and they bring it to Romanian meat they'll sell it no problem what's who cares it has broken leg it's good meat nevertheless but you can't bring it to the can't bring it to me you cannot sell a to Romanian meat and so certainly you can't bring get on to the here. For whatever reason, you decided to make aimer beautiful. Check this out in a visual. Let's see. Because very hard to do aimer visual. That's a train. And that's a balum. Balum. No tra no good. Balum. Yeah, it's good. So if you try to put a tra on him is bad. Certainly it shouldn't be good. If is not good on his bath. So certainly on him is bad. Okay. Now we understood it. It's not a great. Why? Because the the fat and the blood will prove it. The a private person in Romanian meat. can't sell a vial of blood and but you could put it on the eats blood. So what's your you can't bring a from private people to the yeah but 90% of the animal is to eat. So that's why they are but the entire thing 100% is say okay you're right what about poking your thumb through the back of the neck of the the bird it's 100% outside so here's it ruins your you can't prove anything from a private person because here this bird is privately the one that you didn't but it's to the md But wait a minute is different because it's actually inside of that is the mitzvah. The mitzvah is to be and that's it. That's that's it. So the bottom line is now you do have a from why does the Torah have to say Ben to tell me that you can't have a tra when I have a from that's the that's the fear says um you have to skip these parenthesis apparently the way I understand it is someone along the line some guad into the garra but some the printer thought it's part of the garra but it's not from the actual text they l they went back later on they saw the original text it's not there it might be but it's not part of the text which is also a very strange I don't even know if it's ever in sh these words and if you wanted to give a ter if you have a great answer to the so I won't have a so now I need to Why is it tra to bring to the says it shouldn't really it shouldn't have said it what's your great answer to my what's my what if is to a private person it's so which is to a private person certainly should be why do I need the words sim Oh, we're doing great time wise because you have a from from a private person that can't eat a certain I'll prove it to you from this that we're talking about the whole day where it's to a private person but it's mostly to to the mdash. So just because something's also to a private person doesn't mean that's also to what what proof do you have from is very special because that's something powerful it allows you to eat the new crap doesn't allow you to eat the new crop there is no new crop says there is a new craft things that grow by themselves during the year that's what comes even on the on the seventh year says no he holds that the new is also referring to Rashi says after the time of the beer there's a concept called beer anita that is when the animals stopped eating that particular crab let's say the deer so yesterday by the way I don't know if you you were here yesterday yeah today we saw moose again two moose you saw >> moose >> you saw moose yesterday we saw moose yesterday because the guys that were here they were so wild you saw moose weird they saw them pictures we saw deer and moose on the trail on the ski thing so once the moose stop eating whatever they're eating over there then you have to burn that particular product out of your house. So if you have apples and there's they're no longer eating the apples off the tree as an example I don't know if that's a so then you have to get rid of the you have to get rid of the apples from your house. So Raj says just talking about but I still have it's you can't bring in from because it's so powerful it allows you to eat the new produce in America and in England and Australia and even you tell me that it's not even inars she came It's so powerful that it's m itself. You have a whole bowl of barley. You can't eat the barley. But when you take the barley and you put it on the that barley that you put on allows you to eat itself. You now you can eat the rest of the barley in that bowl. So you have a little bit of hole in the heart. You have a nail that went through the stomach. It should be it should be m itself what you bring me from when the tells you use barley that's to eat and use it that's how you do the m that's the only way to do it it's not like something that usually you have a way to be like like a tra you have an animal that's that's not you have animals that are so you can't be m a tra over here by the only way to do the mitzvah is to use produce That's awesome. Okay. So that's the so you don't can't bring me any from it. Somebody who makes can prove it. It seems like from the words of the Gar that it's also for a human being to put together the but it's the person doing it is a it's a person. It's not Hashem. So let me just show you this real quickly. These are the the different the 11 different sam that you make tyrus. Okay, you can see I can't see. We know what is fragrances. Okay. to make the isser for a private individual in his house but it's and finally says you can't bring in from that's the way to do the let's say you could get a whole animal have a wonderful day so much the two of you for coming and keeping me company have a safe life Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.