CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 48 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> What happened is we're talking about schmooze. This guy right over here, the beautiful schmooze sheep and the bread. They shafted the sheep. And we said that when you shaft the sheep, there's a zika. There's the the bond. The handcuffs as they came between the sheep and the bread. So listen to this. This is beautiful. Let's think about it for a second. The sheep was shafted. There's a bond to the bread and the bread got lost. Now what? If you do regular zika you do zika on on these sheep, what happens? You would have to throw them out. You have to burn them. There's a way to save them. The way to save them is to do something that's awesome. That is to think that these sheep are not for schmooze, they're for a regular schmooze. You do a schmooze you switch the schmooze in your head. And now you make it schmooze. And schmooze is okay. You cannot You cannot do zika as if they're for schmooze because there's no bread and there's a zika to the bread. What we learn that there's no bread bread, what happens? Is it straight from the other you don't have it? >> [laughter] >> Instead of yeah, instead of What are you doing over there? What are you doing in front? Let me see. That's exactly. What's the time? >> [clears throat] >> I'm going to be upstairs. >> [laughter] >> Are you here? But you hear what's going on? There's There's a more than the child and this this is not yet a lot of Could I do a little bit of my What's my to do is a derasha? In order to save these sheep. Can I do it on my way? She says something doesn't make sense here. If I do it like I'm supposed to do it, it's not going to be good. If I do it like I'm not supposed to do it, then all of a sudden it becomes good. Where do we find such things? It says going away. And we had this one time. I don't know when, but recently. Very other words, I remember it from It should say on the side. Where? Okay. Yeah, that's 2 months ago. Very Pesach. That carbon Pesach after sorry. I'm the wrong one. Very good size. If you carbon Pesach before you only allowed to carbon Pesach after What do you do it before you do it? Then it comes because you do it If you try to as a carbon Pesach before the the right time, it's not good. But, if you as a then it's okay. Carbon Pesach. If you try to before the time that you're allowed to do it it's possible as a Pesach. And you brought it doesn't But, if you switch the designation you say it's okay. So, you find that idea. How can I do this? Yes, but nearly the new year is my No, but is there something that was good if you did it for the right purpose? But, it was pushed off. Carbon Pesach wasn't pushed off. This is pushed off when you as as a as a carbon and it was pushed off for that cuz you can't do it anymore. Doesn't you don't have the bread. Then it comes If you continue doing what you're supposed to do, it's it's bad because you should have done it that way, but if you do something wrong, it will be good that we don't find. What do you mean? You have to bring it on Pesach. You didn't bring it on every Pesach. So, now what happened? It became became pushed off. And [snorts] I want to switch it I want to switch it after Pesach. I want to make it into shlamim and that's okay. No, this is what I really meant. A lot of words there, but we're getting to something very simple. Is there something that used to be okay? Are you shocked that it's for the right purpose? When it's shlamim it's mine. Our situation. It was good as a carbon shvuos. And you shocked that it as a carbon shvuos. And then it got pushed off. Why did it get pushed off? Because the bread got lost. When it comes to shlamim, in other words, we have shchita. We just added that there was a shchita here. And the shchita was done properly. And after the shchita was pushed off, that we don't find anywhere. And if you do it the right way, it's not good. If you do it the wrong way, it is good. That makes no sense anymore. But I have a right to do that. We do have a very similar case by carbon todah. That one of the breads after the shchita after the shchita one of the breads got broken or whatever. That's the sugia we had a few days ago. And the halacha is that you have to switch the carbon todah to a shlamim. So, it was shocked that properly. It got pushed off after the shchita. Something bad happened. Now we tell you to do something bad in order to save it. It says don't bring me a right from todah shani todah kariv shlamim. It says before it's an apostate. The todah is a shlamim. Great. New sugia. On shvuos it was right. No, no answer. No. Says the gemara you shocked that the two What do you do on shabbos? You need two sheep, two breads. Instead of two sheep, he brought four breads. So now we have a problem. The four breads, two have dushas hagof, two have dushas damim. What do you do now? So you pull two So this is where boys, I just pay attention cuz this is this is tricky. How many tnuvas do you do on a shvuos on the shvuos breads? One before the shchita, one after the shchita. Now we're referring to the one after the shchita cuz it said he already did the shchita. He shacted the two sheep and he has extra breads. Most of the time you pull two out and you do tnuva, the second tnuva that you're supposed to do. And then for the rest you do a pidyon. Here's the pidyon. We know what that is. Basically, just in case there's there's gdusha on on that bread, only gdushas damim. So you redeem it, you move the the gdusha away from the bread onto money. So now what do you what do you remain with? Two You had two that had dushas hagof, two that had dushas damim. The two that had dushas damim, you get rid of, you put the gdusha onto money. The two that had dushas hagof is what we eat. I'm learning a bottom of his door. How do you like it Rabbi we had the the other day Rabbi and Rabbi Elazar. This doesn't go like Rabbi. Why? Did Rabbi give me a challah? What creates the gdusha on the bread? The shchita, the parokhes. Where in the world are you going to remove the gdusha from these breads? Outside. You can't do it outside Since there's gdusha on these breads, you gave it a serious gdusha. Once it goes out it becomes posul. If it was only gdushas damim, it's not a problem to take it out and in and that's what we said already. The The problem is if it's gdushas hagof. You got a void if it's inside the base Hamikdash, you have a different problem. Very very cool problem. You're not allowed to bring mundane things into the Azara. These breads had goodusha on them, but when you remove the goodusha from it, they become regular simple breads. And now all of a sudden you find yourself in a situation where simple breads are in the Azara. So the Gemara says a lamdish a thing here. Hold on. Here's the lion of Karabi. We'll part with the avai. You did do the the pidyon inside the base Hamikdash. The whole matter of Karabi, you didn't bring chulin to the Azara. You did a pidyon. All of a sudden you find yourself in a situation that the the breads are in the Azara. There's a little bit of a problem though, cuz you somebody has to eat these breads. And now you're eating chulin in the Azara. Okay. I'm going to review the Batanyo. K'shehu paidon ein paidon ela b'chotz. But we have a problem. The Ravashi says that you cannot bring chulin. There's a problem of chulin b'Azara. And in fact, you do the whole pidyon outside of the base Hamikdash. Cuz if you do it inside the base Hamikdash, you created a chulin in the Azara. So the Gemara, if so, what did Rebbi Elazar ben Azarya say? That the goodusha What does Rebbi Elazar ben Azarya say? When did the breads get goodusha? Only after you do all four avodas. The shchita, kabala, halacha, and zrika. Not like Rebbi that says it's the in the beginning by the shchita. The Rebbi, why possible be yotzei? It can't be Rebbi because there's a big problem of yotzei. Amar lei Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakkai Rebbi Elazar ben Azarya. Let me tell you the difference between Rebbi Yochanan and Mecha. Maybe there's a there's a problem with Rebbi Yochanan. We're going to get into Rebbi Yochanan from this. Itmar, "Toy disha shachta shnei um chalaos." Here we go. The same exact case that we just said. We spoke about a carbon shvuos that comes with two breads, and instead of two he brought four. Same exact case. A carbon toda, which he's supposed to bring 40 breads, he doubled it up to 80. K'sgo amar K'sgo amar Rebbi Meir ben Shimon. K'sgo says automatically 40 become kodesh. I don't know which 40, but 40 become kodesh. Rebbi Yochanan amar Rebbi Meir ben Shimon, "Nothing becomes kodesh." So we have a problem with Rebbi Yochanan. Cuz according to our sugia, you take two out and then two remain Kodash. That's what you should do with the Tyda. 40 should remain Kodash. Take 40 out and some will be Shul. He says no, nothing becomes Kodash. That's a problem. He says no, it's not a problem. He explained it over there. It's because he said before I want 40 out of the 80 to become Kodash. So, 40 out of 80 become Kodash. So, in our case also the If you don't say anything, nothing's going to happen. Nothing becomes Kodash. We talk about a situation that he had four breads in front of him. He said I want two to become Kodash out of the four. So, it's interesting that a bunch of funny names. He has No, to The kids are like five different names. Me, Bobby. It's the same story but in reverse. Instead of bringing two sheep, he brought four sheep. What? Yeah. But But the dude I guess in Hebrew it's called one thing. It's like in English another. You know, like in You talk in Aramaic, it's one way. Instead of bringing two sheep, he brought four sheep. Now, it's a little bit of a more of a problem, I would say, because sheep have both. You start off with both. Whereas with the bread, you're only starting off with both. Okay. The breads you had the right amount, two, but the sheep you doubled up. What do you do? What do you take two out? But I don't know what to do with them. And you do the damn with not And then afterwards, you do the on the two that you didn't take out. You have four sheep. Two put aside and get rid of them. Do say that they're And the two that remain, they'll be our They'll be the for And over there, you do the >> [cough] [clears throat] >> If you don't say that, if it's is a crime, then they all get lost. This is a beautiful This is mostly of sinning in order to benefit. Like what what's the reason right now? What does he want us to do? You have two types of limbs in in a in a basket. You have the that's supposed to go on the and you have the that you you're supposed to eat. And I have a dilemma. What do you do? You put the on top of the You don't eat it even though you're supposed to. It's not right to put it up there. So how do you get out of this error? If it's edible, you're supposed to eat it. You don't put it on the back. We pretend you make you say, "Oh, I need to put some firewood over there. This this this this meat is firewood." Otherwise, that's only only way out of it. What are you going to do? Otherwise, everything gets burned. Not on the back. There's only you can do about it. So you wait overnight. I'm not going to burn it right now cuz that's the way. In order to burn something, you have to the cotton. So you have to like let it go bad so to speak and then you can burn it. I don't get it. Why should you do They should say Put it on the back. And then and then and say that the is wood. This is tomorrow. If it's one item, if it's in one item, we do say I'm going So that somebody else can benefit. We don't say it in two different things. But if it's one thing, we do say it. What time you gives you that shabbat and shabbat shalom or shabbat shalom and shabbat shalom and shabbat shalom and shabbat shalom. Or you have the sheep of shofars. You don't have the right intent. You thought that's not shofars. You thought that the sheep is oil. Or you shabbat before the time came or after the time. This is time when again like a lot of times people think that the honey you do a honey you go you get to make it first you put in the garden the whole thing okay you some was a half hour late. No. I don't know you're done. You finished. You're out. You're out of the game. There's a certain time you have to do it and that's it. After this one is finished. So what do you do? I don't know what I'm supposed to do. You you throw the blood with a loyal shabbat thought that this blood is for a different carbon for the for the shabbat. And then you can eat the the meat. The most of shabbat shalom is right. Why can't you do shabbat shalom shabbat? What's the problem? Why can't you do shabbat shalom shabbat? What's the problem? Where's the Where's the issue to do shabbat shalom shabbat? That's a good one. It's a good one. That's what they're saying. There's different things but one of them is take a minute you're fixing something on shabbat. When you shabbat and if you you didn't let's say you did shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat. Shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom period. Shabbat shalom shabbat shalom it's a little funny the lotion here. So it maybe it's like you get a you get a couple of hours but the shabbat shalom you have to you have to bring on at night. Bye-bye. Shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom. Why can't you do shabbat shalom shabbat? So you'll be over at shabbat shalom whatever the issue is. And shabbat shalom will be able to eat it. So today on shabbat shalom I'm going to do a verse I could eat the shabbat shalom I I could you could put the shabbat shalom on the on the shabbat shalom shabbat. So this is my shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom and if it's the same day you could say such a thing. Shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom two different days no. Shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom shabbat shalom and when the It's different things you can't say oh do a on on item A so that we could benefit from item B." Why don't we say that? So, now very small example. Here's a question that that gets people trips people up. Let's see if you guys know it cuz the Israelis had a hard time with this. If I have a bottle of regular wine. Here, give me any that one, Castel, right over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This bottle of wine a sheretz touched it. Sheretz touched it, tell me. Can I Can I use this for kiddush on Shabbos? Yes. You say yes? What's going on with you guys? Touched the outside. No, the inside. A dead mouse touched the inside. The the wine. The wine is tamei. What is so? How could I make kiddush on this tamei? Uh I'm a big am ha'aretz. As long as you have taharah, it's not a problem. Correct. You're allowed to use this. Now, what if this was terumah? If this was terumah, this is easier. If this is terumah and it becomes tamei, sheretz touched it, what's the halakha? You can't do anything. If you're a kohen, you can't drink it. If you're a Yisrael, you certainly can't drink it cuz it's terumah. So, if it's if it's tamei, zero. This is nothing. Not only that, here, take this. Thank you. There's a there's a special possuk that says V'ani ne'edo l'chash mishmeres trumoiso. You have a chiyuv d'oraisa to prevent terumah from becoming tamei. So, now that we know these things, check it out. It's a beautiful case. You have a massive vat. You have a few hundred thousand dollars on the bottom. And on top there's a barrel of terumah wine. Let's just for This is just the l'savis einayim. In the time of the Gemara you had a a vat like a place where they would crush the grapes and then it would go down. We we showed I showed the whole thing. But, just This is gishmak over here, yeah? You have a a barrel of terumah on the top and the bottom is cooling Tommy. In other words, a rat fell into this dead rat. So, the whole thing is Tommy. It's fine. They still sell it. It's not They don't tell anybody what happened. And the truma is tahor. You have a chiyuv d'oraisa. As soon as there's there's a little leak, you have a chiyuv to run and grab the truma. There's another problem here. If the truma actually hits the chulin on the bottom, what's going to happen? Let's just say it's the right amount. It's the right Okay, we're not going to go that the the barrel on top is much smaller than you need 100 is m'vatel. Let's say there's no 100 to be m'vatel. If the truma on top falls into the barrel on the bottom, what's going to happen? No one can drink from the bottom one. Why? Cuz it has truma in it. And the whole thing becomes truma and it's truma t'me'a. So, a kohen can't drink it cuz it's t'me'a. An Yisrael certainly can't drink cuz it's cuz it's truma. So, now you have a $200,000 loss that could occur if the top thing drips into the bottom one. So, now what do you do? You have a dilemma here. Here's the dilemma of the ba'al ha'bayit. Check it out. >> [snorts] >> Okay, this is an exaggeration that the truma it's about to drip, okay? It didn't drip yet. If it dripped already, it would be a problem. This is mamesh yoreh d'ei'ah m'de'oraisa. First option. First option is to save the bottom. Cuz it's a big loss. Option number two is take a plastic cup or a Yeah, yeah. That was the order. Maybe maybe he should save as much as he can, one cup worth. That's a chiyuv. You have You have to be shomer it. It says in the Torah, you have to be shomer. Do you Do you Should you save Should you save Yeah. No, but here's what's going to happen. The bottom is going to get The bottom is going to get ruined because No, but you can only save a little bit. You can only save one revius. One cup. It's one One cup. You're going to save one cup worth. But at the end your whole million gallons in the bottom are going to get ruined. But none. We're four lines from the bottom. Chovis of trumah she nishborah bigasel yoyna. You have trumah on the top that's that's breaking and ubisach yichulen t'mayim. And the bottom one is chulin but it's tamei. And if the top one goes into the bottom one, you won't be able to use the bottom one. It'll create a great loss. Moyder of Eliezar Reb Shmuel Shimshon Yochol hasel min revius bitahara yatzel. Your chiyuv is to go save one cup worth one little revius from the top one. Im lav v'lazo imer chered bititma bayis m'manin b'yad. You could You could let it You could let it go and be ruin the bottom. Do not use a tamei vessel to catch the wine. Reb Shmuel imer afi t'manin b'yad. You let it go ahead and catch save the bottom by catching the wine from the top in an in a tamei kli, you're going to make the trumah tamei with your own hand. Now, the problem is it's two different items. Top one is trumah, bottom one is chulin. So, you tell a person to go ahead be m'tamei the trumah in order to save your bottom thing. You're You're You're being m'tamei the trumah b'yadayim. You're making You're doing an aveirah. You're making trumah tamei so that you could save the bottom. It's two different items. Into different items I I say that. Says the Gemara Shani osam d'il tumah k'azla. It anyways is going to to if you don't do anything, it's going to drip into the bottom. I'm sorry. The it's going to drip into the bottom and the truma is going to become tummy. Whether you do it your hand or you don't do it your hand, whether you catch it in the clay, it becomes tummy when you when it touches the clay or when it hits the hole in on the bottom, it's going to become tummy because the hole in the bottom is tummy. So your truma is gone regardless. So you didn't you didn't cause any extra tummy here. The it's going to become tummy anyway. If you shucked the sheep on shwores, shlo the shma, you think to yourself that it's a shlomin, psulin. Let it stay overnight and burn it. Omar Rab Nachman, mardi mackish lula chados, now it's psulin, torem psulin. In the same possuk it says the loshon of chados and kivsei atzeres. So we know, right? Uh most of us know. The first mission is vacham, quote all the time. There are two korbanos that if you have loy lishma on it, they're gone. Which are chados and pesach. So we're going to compare shwores to chados. So if you have a shlo lishma situation, it's going to be like a chados and it's possul. That's what he's saying. What's a psulin? What do you mean psulin? Why possul? It's like every other carbon that you do shlo lishma, you can use it, you can eat it. It's you are mikayem the mitzvah, you have to redo the you have to bring another carbon, but it's don't don't tell me that it's possul. Ah, explains Rab Nachman, it is possul because I'm comparing with a hekesh to chados. Shami choyva, what's shami choyva Rab Asi? Kivsei atzeres. Kivsei atzeres shami choyva. I'm comparing to I'm going to compare the the one the the kids to the double. It makes a lot of sense that you do it kosher. You have a of another that you didn't do the Here before it's kosher. Well, I don't know what I'm saying over. It's like every other carbon that you don't do the besides the hatas. It's good. You have to bring another one. Bring a in the Lilo. You only eat it one one day one night. They intend to Israel. You don't bring It's like a regular We treat it like a regular There's no bread, but in terms of we did a the here. So, you have to do You don't bring this Raya. You don't do the Mace way as you tomorrow. Also, mention they were in Stein. If you're to bring a Let's say you're a Nazir. You have to bring a one-year-old But instead of bringing a one-year-old, you brought a two-year-old or Ben Stein. Let's say you're you're you're Gazlin that that that swore falsely. So, you're supposed to bring a two-year-old and you brought a one-year-old. You have a Ben Stein. the two of them is straight for. I will I don't know the question is going to be from here. You have a of another. Another lettuce. Over here, these are oilers that have to be a year old. show you Ben Ben Stein and if they're two years old, So, it's a kosher of another. Over here, you say kosher of another say possible in this case. Close to double kosher of another kosher of another Anything that's kosher that's good by a another oiler is kosher by a kosher oiler. We call it possible possible And anything that's possible by hatas possible Kosher of another besides the one thing that by hatas is possible by is kosher. So, tomorrow I don't know what to do with Levy. At the day, don't ask me kosher of another. It's it's it's Levy. So that's Levy's the one that's Nachman. So don't ask me casual from from Levy. Tashma. Another question of Nachman that what Nachman says that the the carbon shvu'os is similar to a chotzas that if you do shma it's possible. Tashma the Levy. Asham nozeiv Asham shalom shalom shma. Uh when does another nozeiv bring Asham? You guys remember? When he's tamei. When else becomes tamei? Not not at the end of his period you know his is his kvas nzeirus but when he becomes tamei. Asham nozeiv Asham shalom shalom shma. Sheirim. Problem. It's kosher if you do shalom shma. The second go we said the loyal to the man shalom shalom shalom Asham Asham shalom shalom shalom. If the the owner wasn't the he didn't have his full seven days of tahara or shalom Asham shalom shalom was the wrong age shalom shalom shalom. The misah asked the Gemara Asham Asham Asham. If it's true that you learn the choveiv from a nedava you learn one shalom from another you learn shvu'os which is a choveiv from a shalom that's a nedava so how come we don't learn Asham from shalom? Yeah? You should learn Asham from shalom just like Asham nedava that if you if you brought the wrong year it's kosher so to the Asham should be kosher. Says the Gemara Asham shalom shalom Gemara Asham shalom Gemara. Okay. I'm going to learn he says he can learn a nedava from a choveiv. He can learn one type of shalom from another type of shalom. Yeah I didn't say you should learn Asham from shalom. The Gemara Asham Asham Asham asked the Gemara okay very good. One shalom from another shalom is good so learn Asham Asham. So listen so now why Why I learn one Asham from another notion? What? Asham nazir or Asham tzoah, masham gezelos or masham elois. The when you have Asham that it has to be in the first year, and and and you brought a second year one, it's okay. And vice versa also, the same thing in reverse. Or Asham gezelos or Asham elois, if it's supposed to be a first year one, and you and you and you brought a second year one, we learn from Asham nazir or Asham tzoah, that's okay. Or shivah arai, she done a davar shelo b'chashrai. A davar shelo b'chashrai. Something that doesn't wasn't done properly, like Shimon and Davo, both of them were not done properly. And Davo and Davar shelo b'chashrai and Davo and Davar shelo b'chashrai. This this Asham nazir that's a two-year-old is something that is done shelo b'chashrai. And now from something that's b'chashrai, that from Asham Asham gezelos, which is supposed to be two years old. The law, but I don't even know what she meant all over here. How do I know the idea of something that goes outside of the Beit Hamikdash, if it goes on top of the mizbeach, don't take it off. Cuz I shari yoitzah kasha b'bamah. If somebody in the time of a bamah, when you had a mizbeach in your backyard, it's outside of the Beit Hamikdash. Yet, I could do it. Now, a bamah is the katchilah, I'm allowed to go the katchilah. So, you see the concept I'm learning from something that's the katchilah, to something that's not is very very b'di avad. The piece of meat went outside of the Beit Hamikdash, you're not supposed to put it on the mizbeach, but I did anyway. That's a no-no, that's a bad thing. And where am I learning that it's okay? From a bamah that's 100% kosher to do it like that. So, the mar tana, we had this question a bunch of times. Tana azoy shtar so oila reba somachlei. No, no, no. We're not learning from the bamah. The bamah is just a a nice mashal. There's actually a pasuk that tells me im al al ha yered. The bamah is just like a an asmachta. Raboisai, have a wonderful shuras toyvois. Kameni's dead. Mazel tov. What did you tell me? What did you My whole mood is different. Mazel tov. Merit the schuss of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsored.mdy.com