CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 47 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning, like 18 lines from the bottom real quickly. We had yesterday that if there are no there are no uh sheep, I'm not going to show the whole thing just to remind you the video, right? There's no sheep in Israel for whatever reason. They're they're in Mat. There's no sheep. It happened. There's no sheep and they had to get remember the whole story that they got the sheep and they send the mazer. But that's not what we're showing here. No sheep. Do you bring the two breads? Do you not bring the two breads? So yesterday we learned you bring the two breads, but you don't eat them. You leave them overnight. You leave them overnight and then you burn them. And the Gar asks, "Why wait overnight? Just burn them. You could eat them. So eat them. What's the what's this waiting overnight?" So that's what we're dealing with. And Rabbi says, you know, the fact is you could eat it. You could eat it. But if you would eat it now without any sheep, what are you going to do next year? Next year when you have sheep, people are going to get confused. is they're going to say you could eat the bread without the sheep. Now there's a huge difference. If you have sheep and you have bread, you have everything going, then you must she the sheep before you eat the bread. Why? Because the only way you could eat bread is if you have the sheep because the sheep are the m another mus in kachim. The mus you tell somebody that didn't learn kach m doesn't know what you're talking about. the m the what allows you to eat the bread is the fact that you the sheep when you don't have sheep then suddenly the the matter shifts and all of a sudden you don't need sheep to be m then the bread itself is its m the following year you have sheep you have bread you're not going to realize that the m shifted back to what it's supposed to be you're supposed to she the sheep and people are going to eat the bread going to eat the the lem not the bread the lem of that is going to eat. It has four corners. You're going to make a mistake. How do I know that when you have the two breads, you could eat it? You could eat the bread without without the sheep. This testified in said this is kiss from. We're talking about just a couple of days before. Maybe I should say a few when when does somewhere in the beginning of next week, you know, we already a few days before before. Oh, so listen to this. We had this already earlier on in the 20 days ago. If a gives he didn't sin, he's not the biggest uh what are you talking about? It's the exact opposite. You have to because the whole argument is says considered somebody that you count. You don't count says they must give. What are you talking about? It's not like oh he's doing us a big favor. He gave it's not a sin. No, they have to they have to give a they why do they why do you even think that they don't have to give here this is uh the let's see if it's fixed a little bit. There's so many people giving putting it into the into the there's different different boxes but you're supposed to give into I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. This is different since it's a carb in >> Cur. Okay. So, here we're going to get here right now. The Khan, they made their own. They made up. They wanted to get out of it. Why? What does it say about P? It says in the when when a has a burn it a doesn't get to eat a so they're saying but the fact is we do eat aka where do eat they eat every shabas they eat the upon they eat the they eat the two breads of of of so you see that they eat a the reason why they eat it is because they're not part of it it's not theirs they didn't pay for it had they paid for that it becomes their don't pay they don't give the how do you buy what do you do with the you buy all these things you buy the you buy the let's see inside if there's a it should be burnt do not eat it these are the two breads that we're talking about right now we get to eat it oh they eat it. It says that you eat. So the says when and now I'm going to prove it to you. What's the what's the case of the two breads? You're going to tell me a typical year this and all the you bring the and and the and you eat the bread. What's the when a kayen brings a and it comes with the breads? Do they get to eat the bread? Of course. What's the but but it's a but it's a the answer is it's not a what do we call it a he brought a the comes with breads it's not called a so therefore they get to eat it also same exact thing are we going to call these breads aka no we're going to call it anes they brought the carbonas so it cannot be that they brought the breads together with the with the carbon it must be in our case talking about they brought the breads on their own. Now what are the breads called? Can't call it. You didn't check the carbon. What do we call them now? A min. And now you see that they get to eat the mah. You see? Oh, so in a case that was that is exactly our case. In a case where we bring only bread, we only bring the without the carbonus. Do you get to eat it? Yes. Here here's a good ra. They get to eat it because said we eat the and obviously they're talking about in a case where there's no because otherwise it's not called it's called on a regular they get to eat the breads. What's the you have to explain they say you have to finish it up over here. Why do they get to eat the on? Why? Because it's not it's not called it's called. So it must be that the breads by us are it's not that they get to eat the bread. The no they get to eat the bread the bread when it comes by itself and it's called the saying they're proving look even though it's called the we get to eat it has to be that we didn't pay the to buy these breads but nevertheless we have that they eat they ate it when you bring breads out on their own you get to eat them. No, no. We're talking about a typical year where the breads come together with the You ask me what kind of bread do they bring from it? They're not called. They're called or it's called. No. You're right. When it comes to the breads, when you bring a carbon, you're right. They don't call it a but they had a on a regular year when you bring the two breads together with the carbonas. It's called a nevertheless we could eat item. The Tory calls them even though the two the two are called even though they come with that. So we're going back to the question when the breads come on their own. You you burn the bread after you leave it overnight. The question is why does it come to be eaten or it comes to be burnt? If it comes to be eaten so let eat it. Why do you have to burn it? So no. So it comes says no it comes to be burnt. So if it's burnt burn it right now why do you have to wait overnight by the time and I'll tell you why. Who gave you the right to burn something? You're allowed to burn things. I need to make a fire a flame. So to eat great but not to burn bread to make a you can't do on to to burn bread. Why would you want to burn? So wait until after. That's why I said wait until overnight. Why not? Why can't you burn the bread on? We have a situation where we burn things on. We burn things. The things that need to be burnt are burnt. What are you talking about? Let's say that became ple. So there's no mitzah to burn kum that became ple. So you don't burn. You don't have to wait till the next day. But the breads, this is the way you perform the mitzvah. You burn it. So burn it. We see the same exact thing when it comes to the power that you burn here. Burn it. Beautiful. You know why you have to wait overnight? Don't be so fast to burn the bread. What happened? You brought two breads. You didn't have any sheep. What happens if a yidel shows up with a sheep four o'clock in the afternoon? Oh, I found a sheep in my basement here. Let's use Oh, why rush and burn it? So, what's the why have to wait the entire night? Just wait until after it's too late to bring the why you have to wait the entire night says did I say the words the same day will come so burn right after whatever the time is says you're right that's when exactly when we burn it you Don't wait the whole morning. We thought it means to the next morning. No, it means the after again. We have two breads and we burn them. We wait overnight. And the question is why are they meant to be burnt or they meant to be eaten? Says Rabba, I'll tell you another. No, let's go to the other side. They're meant to be eaten right now. exams from the rabb rabb says that we're concerned that the following year when you have sheep you might make a mistake and you're going to eat them right away and then what do we say and he brought a raya from the kohhanim the khanim they they they they believe that you don't give because of otherwise it's it's it's their bread and the whole thing and then came and slugged it up And not because of this reason they brought from the because up he brings a what's the what's the you bring it's like a heish the breads to we have is just you know when you bring the fruit you bring to the to the bdash so it it's it's similar to to bikurim that You can bring the breads all on their own without a carbon. And then we continue. And just like the breads just like what what do you do with the the fruit? You don't burn it. You eat it. Ra says we learned from a So there's a few stages. There's something called what does mean? We all know but we just got for those people that don't know means that it has a gusha but it's a lower gusha a monetary gdusha. The one above that is called the whole its whole essence is kadesh. It's not a monetary gusha. The bread start off with monetary gush then you upgrade it to sometimes it's the reverse it starts with a and you downgrade it to where where's that where where do you have something like that somebody that wasn't in last night's cheer >> where >> okay but sometimes you get to eat it when you have a carbon like a kas it's the highest the heights kachim it's different then it downgrades the kachim kum it's different okay I'm mixing up stuff here okay great so you have the breads and they are what right now they are you could upgrade it to bying the sheep when you the sheep and we saw yesterday there's a zika there's There's handcuffs between the bread and the >> sheep. So when you the sheep, the gets upgraded in the bread. Okay? And this is super simple. If you do everything correctly, [snorts] another concept of is that when you an animal, you have to think about the animal that you'reing, you have to say, I'ming a carbon for what if you think to in your head that today is pes not you get a little confused, miscomabulated. You think it's sukus today. You think it's a carbon. So what happened? You have to bring another one. This meat you get to eat though. It's sh What's worse than much worse? Pigle. You're thinking in your mind that I'm going to eat it in two three days from now. That's pigle. That ruins it completely. And if you eat it, if you eat it, you get carus. So if you do everything correctly, you knew that it's today. You sprinkled the blood on them with the right intent. So what happens then? Everything goes well. You you upgraded the breads from being what's the the the 180 of that the exact reverse the worst of the worst. You thought that today is and when you threw the blood on them themselves it sukuses today. So the bread doesn't become kadesh. What if you did one in one? If you do one in one, you do this with the right intent. But there's with the wrong intent. One and one. One good, one bad. What happens? It's it's I hate to use this mul and I didn't use it last night, but I have to use it. I think there's a big problem always in in lumbus. In yeshiva, we always had an issue. What does it mean? It's kadesh, but it's not kadesh. A person is either pregnant or not pregnant. You can't be pregnant and not pregnant. It's either or. What does it mean? That's what the is going to deal with. What does it mean? Can't bees and notes. Either argues. He says, "No, there's only if you do everything. You have to do the you have to do the it says the word means when you do then you have salomatis. Then you get in the bread to tell us that the ze is the breads. This this is by we learn from also to us in our breads. It says in the what's we all know and again another in int four of these things there's no the doesn't occur on step one the occurs on step four by you need to do everything doesn't it say that you have to do all four things says no doesn't say you have to do all four things it says you have to do one thing because you're right if it would say you should do everything you're right you have to do all four you shall do a is going on the part not on the part says but now he has to deal with the word's word it says that the main thing is the not no that even if even if you hold like that that is the main thing but regardless you have to have the bread all the way in the beginning you're right is the main but in step one you have to have the bread now we have to deal with this how how does that on the other day. No, it's but the point is the breads are not it's 100% but you can't eat it. The bottom line is at the end of the day even agrees that the can't eat it. So what what's between another it's crazy one after another what does it mean just a basic concept of when you have gusha represented here in purple the breads are kadesh you could transfer the gusha to money but it depends If the breads are then you can't if they're only they have monetary value monetary then you can transfer it into money. So now I'm going to ask you a question. According to let's talk about Rava. Simple. Rava says it's the breads are 100% kadesh. They're kadesh. So could you transfer the money? Could you transfer the bread to money? >> No, it's so you can't transfer. According to you could. So now let's look into the words here. Wait a minute. We just said the opposite. So that's why Rashi takes out the word and puts it in ra he says. So Rashi brings the gear size here and Rashi says he could look in Rashi but it's a beautiful lion here. It's it's an interesting lion shush this is a a complete mess up. This is in the wrong place. It's obvious that hold that pure you cannot transfer. You can't take let's say and transfer the dduch into money. It doesn't work like that. Yes. So the goes on ra says no you can't transfer says yes transfer. Good. Let's just read inside. So in the article you'll see they put parentheses around the word to take it out and then they put in the square brackets to add the word according to it won't grab. Okay. So we have a beautiful that according to it grabs according to it doesn't grab it. We did it. I read I read there's enough between whether it's or not according to to both of them the does grab. So your your thing is backwards backwards says this is another I'm telling you we're going through and there's a lot we did all these but it's a good it's great that what if something only has and you take it outside of the bdos you take it to to you can bring it right back into mikdash you bring it out in it back back and forth. Once it has then you can't take it out then you take it out it becomes puzzle and that's which is you take it out it becomes puzzle. So he asked him a question he did a nice chart if you want to follow the chart. Okay. So anyways step one over here we have the guy had the right the right intent. So you heard what he said. He said that the I said before is good. He his his gumar was going according to the original which says is a mistake. Okay. So just go back to my and everything is good. The first thing but then he threw the blood. So what's the question? What is the status of the breads? What's the status of the breads? the the was done with the right intent. You could see, oh, if I if I'm able to zoom in on here. Oh, you see how he did it has flowers like on and what is he thinking about? He's thinking about in other words, the intent was perfect. But over here, Amy is thinking in his mind about ana. You see, let's zoom in on him. He's thinking about which is not. So, his intent by the was bad. What happens to the bread? Can we eat the bread? Says Gomorrah. According to the that's there's no yet. So it's there's no more before community. So according to everybody you can't eat the bread says so we're going we're asking the question according to this it's a little bit long we have to hold cup to to understand what the question is the I just want to point out a few people sent this to me that was the say the biggest bouva of the generation big and The two breads went out between and the went out. It went out of the MED here like the step one and then it went outside and then they did the but to be pigle to explain. We want to know does the pigle what does pigle mean? Another thing another pigle means he had the wrong intent when he did the his intent was to eat it at the wrong time. That's m or you can get cars for that for eating it. But here's the problem or the dilemma. The bread is is like safe on base. Why the bread went outside? It's already possible. You're not allowed to take bread outside of the bdash. So maybe the bread is saved from the whole pigle thought because the pickle occurred when it was already in a bad place. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the two breads went out in. You hear this? He had a bad intent. Does the bad intent work on something that's outside? No. They all hold that it's the gives me what? So the breads of it has if the breads went outside of the at that point possible. Why? Because already is through the question is does the zo work on something that's outside? It's like in a safe zone. It it's it's like the reverse of [laughter] it's like it's not even to eat. You can't even do it. Is that what you meant? Something like that. >> People can't decide. You have to be a pure >> that's something else. I I don't even think the gumar is going that way. What he's trying to say is that we learn to we do pigle have to have a very pure thought of only thought one thought. You can't have a thought of this and that. Okay. What's going on here? So there's a concept another concept in kachum called ma. Mila means that you're not allowed to use items that are in the B mikdash owned by the B mikdash specifically items that have so if you have let's say here's the list we have two types of carbonas some are kachum and some are kach there's ma on the right side there's no ma on the left side but there is on the left side. Let's see a when could aid become when can here's a great question. When can any of these carbonas on the left become the answer is this right over here. What are these? Another concept the become. Now on the reverse side on flip side when do the ones on the right theas when does it become less than after then the can eat from the meat >> what? No besides things that you can't eat. Yeah. So when they went outside before the there's no even after the occurred. Why? Because they were outside at that time. They're outside. They're in a safe zone. Then so there's no pigle and there's no noise left over. There's no tum. He says there is me and you arrive says this is very very simple just you know confusing words maybe but it's very simple let me show you what we did here I did this this morning so it's a little off cuz uh okay oops what what it says over here is as follows The Zika of Pigle works to make, excuse the way I I'm I'm bad at separating that that thing. It makes the bossor ple and and it also makes the bread pos. And this is the bread that went out after. Yeah. Bread that went outside. It's possible. So wants a on our what happened? What's our case that there was a he thought about he didn't think that it's he thought it's what happens the first of the first of the same Mishna basically one is about was about carbon what happens when you have the wrong intent when you make a carbon instead of thinking that it's a you think that it's an what happens to the carbon >> huh sh everybody quiet I want to hear what this kid has to say. Say it loud. He says, "Those are the words of the He said it the best. What's your name? What's How old are you? 11." >> 11. You was going 11y old. That's exactly what it says in the Mishna. That's kosher. You're allowed to eat the meat. So look what happens here. It's a very simple. If the zika makes a puzzle on the meat, it also makes a puzzle for the bread. So let's take the same idea and do the reverse. If the without cauter, he said cauter, you allow to eat the meat. So you allow to eat the bread. It follows if it's possible makes sense. It's easy to be m it's very hard to be say eat the bread. Maybe, maybe not. That's a That's a That's a easy to do, says. No, I'm sorry. Says, "Listen to this. Let's just do it inside. You see the the this pigle makes the bread that went outside. It makes a possible just like it makes the the meater. And now our question. It's a little confusing, but I think the chart helps a little bit. The the bread follows whatever the meat is. So over here the bread is going to follow whatever the meat and over here it's kosher. The meat is kosher. You just have to bring another carbon. Who told you that we're talking about the bread when outside? It's outside of that. Maybe outside everybody agrees that the it's too late. It's in a safe zone. It's already ple is not going to do anything to it. But the problem is the question is so that's what happened over here. It was in the base was in it was in it was in the mikdos. It went out and they brought him back in. That's the question is what gives and when you take it outside it becomes possible because it already has an effect on it and if it goes outside it doesn't have so when it went outside it's not a big deal. You can bring it back in. Well, what's going on here? What drives it? So the creates on the bread that the doesn't do anything. But why would the makele when you have a bad during the why would it ruin it for the breads? Why? We're going to finish in two seconds. It's just three more lines. When you have a with the wrong intent, it doesn't create and doesn't remove. What does that mean? As explained all the way in the beginning of the that it doesn't it's it's a bad these amim these parts of the animal that go on top of them is they don't have so they don't have and you use it you are why because no good and the flip side that if you have a that a could eat and it's kachim and we want to lower the level of the culture by a good since this is a bad doesn't the can't eat it says we already slugged them up have a wonderful day at 8:30 [music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy com.