CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 42 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Says 18 lines from the bottom of would give his talis to the to the laundromat to the to the dry cleaner. So they had these pockets. These pockets were not invented now. Check this out. Even Yoshi did one for us. Is a is a ball. Rolled it up into a ball. He did something like this. He basically sewed the titus into the he made a little pocket on the spot and he after the wash he undid it. How many strings are on a tit? It's four. You put them into the corner and you fold it over and say three strings you fold it over. Meanwhile, maybe Ellie send me my talis this way please. Now there's a famous story in the gar that saw the meidar those who died in the midbar and he saw that they were wearing tlesim with kas. So he figured to himself, wow, it's a great opportunity. You know, the I told you so kind of thing. If you could bring the actual strings of the the titus of the those of the midbar and there's no between how many strings I can prove you three or four. So he cut it, put it in his pocket, you know, taking from um >> antiques, you know, going into the caves, taking stuff out, cleaning it back. He gets on his donkey or whatever camel and it wouldn't move. It wouldn't move. So the the Arabs said, "Hey, did you take something from over here?" He said, "Yeah." He says, "That's they don't move. If you take, they don't move. Put it back." So he put it back. He comes back. He said he told him the story. So he said, "Why did you count at least count and tell us how much you just put it back without counting?" That was the story over there. But anyways, this is M is going back. How many strings? Four, three says. How much does it have to come off the corner? How long does the the have to be? It has to be four fingers. Three fingers. You're talking about the uh thumb thumbs breath. Four thumbs. >> [clears throat] >> is four thumbs. If you're talking about the pinky, six pinkies, if you're talking about the third finger or the second finger, you're talking about five fingers. So, it's four, five, six. Depends the size of the finger. Depends what finger, not the size of the finger. Correct. We're talking about average person. We're talking about four strings. Four strings within four fingers of the end of the garment has to hang down four something as so. I'm not excited about this picture. I would have done it differently [clears throat] cuz he's not Yoshi's not counting all the uh knots and maybe you have to count the knots. The idea you get the idea it's four fingers off the tes with the knots without the knots. You'll figure it out. Four fingers. The hole that you put it through is maximum four fingers away from the edge. [clears throat] And >> four long we said four from this and four strings like three strings within three fingers of the edge of the talis and it hangs down three three let's mix it up a little bit let's make it complicated we have four strings on the tenses. However, he goes like the other like of within three fingers 434. Okay? So don't don't go further away from three fingers of the edge. So as we'll see now, the hole that we put the titus in is very very exact. It's complicated. It can't be too far away from the edge and it can't be too close from the edge. also where this is is also it it can't be like this. This is no good. It has to be like this. We're going to see in a second. There's a guy running around telling everybody, "No, no, you're like this. It has to be like this." In other words, it shouldn't be hanging straight down. It has to be coming off the side. So, we'll see soon. You're telling me has a shear. How long it has to be the word it means it comes out it's even a small amount the elders went up to the attic since it doesn't have a you don't have to have a certain amount similarly a lul doesn't have an amount Oh, it says you take it literally. No, there is a shear. How small? It can't be too small. You can tell me there's no shear at all. When we learned, we always said means four. It's three plus one for the actual shaking of the of the Okay, so you need a minimum of for So what are you telling me? There's no shar obviously there's a shar minimum what for you must say. What does it mean? There's no limit. I heard that was ming and having very very long to love him to the point where his nu were sometimes difficult because it was hitting the ceiling like he's going like cuz rash it seems from rash there's a big n in the lulv in the in the length the longer the better there's no sheare of how long they are but there is a share of how short you can't do too short. What's the to remind? Here we go. Remember the this is the and this part is called the strings. He grabbed me by the the the tiss of my head. In other words, like hair, like loose hair. No sh in the world has a picture like this. What's like the gosh here. What's a go here? Here. Right over here. I love the way he did it. Imm looks like titus. It has like the kesher of a titus. Look at that. Ah. Ah. [laughter] It's braided nicely, but then afterwards on the bottom it's loose. You see people wearing their braids like that. Jamaican braids. It's braided on the top close to their head, the skull. And then later like titus. If you put it since it's on the corner itself such as so on the corner you don't give it any room means >> there's you know stitching on the edge so that it doesn't uh >> fray okay fray is a good word you put your tiss right there on the edge it's okay says no no good so this is going to go like we're going to say now says it's not enough that you put it on the corner but it has to >> no like touch and move on the talis. Now that's the point that if here Ariel or whoever is doing the the the editing put this into the Hebrew share please cuz I didn't have a thing. If if your since this hangs like this, it's not rubbing on the begot. It's straight down. But if it's on the side, then it's constantly moving up and down on it's it's moving on the edge. And that's what we want. We want we want it to go on the edge. So, look at your tits and look at your talis, which I didn't do yet. And yet, you should move it up, but eventually it comes down. So, you got to pop it back up. >> Should be like this. It should be why it's a puzzle. It should be literally touching the kaf not hanging over the cut. It should be moving the is the one that says that you put it on the actual corner. So it goes like that says you can't put it on the corner. It needs to be it needs to be hanging down should be a minimum like this like the the part of the thumb off the So we have we have two things here so far. We have papa who says maximum three fingers and then we have this that says minimum minimum off the edge this much. So it could be it could be touching the the fabric. So the says the it's like interesting lion and they talk about it. What do you mean? There's a minimum and a maximum. Say of course I need both. I need a that tells me how far the most I could put it. Could I make my hole up here? No. It has to be within three fingers. Can I make my hole down here? No, it has to be within the thumb. So, I need both. What do you mean? I think says that you shouldn't do more. And the more you put it next to the corner, it's even better. So, therefore, I would think that you could put it here, literally on the corner like this. No, no, no. You got to go at least one thumb's breath away. You're not supposed to go really close because then you won't have the more it's further away from the corner. Put it 20 fingers away from the corner. It's going to rub much more. I need both story. Ravino and Rafama was sitting in front of Ravashi Ravino. He noticed that the corner one one of the tits. So here it is rais you know how this happens all the time to children especially where the the pull out of that little hole and come really close to the edge. They cut here cuts the fabric. Oh, this doesn't even look like the the the circle is cut, but you get the idea. The whole thing is cut. Some of the says you're not allowed to put it next to the corner. It has to be a a good a good thumbs breath off the corner. Look at this. This is very close to the corner. Got him real good. Remember, we even said that your scissors could be this long, but provided that you started out with the regular she of 12 fingers. So to over here, when you start off, you put it into the hole and it's more than a thumbs breath away. Then even if it slips down and rips, you're good to go. He was very he was very embarrassed that he asked him the question. He should have known this tells don't be embarrassed. Look at this. One person from is smarter than two of us. Don't worry about it. was shot. Okay, so this is a little complicated to show without not complicated but I I had him I have my prop and I left it in the hotel unfortunately. Basically what do we do? We take we take the titus we put it through the hole and then we make a knot and then we make another knot. So it's two knots. He says no no no no. So how many strings do you have after you put four strings through the hole? It comes out on the other side. You have eight strings. He says, "No, what I want you to do is I want you to put eight strings through the hole with the four. I want you to start, you start out with four strings. You folded them in half. Once you fold it in half, now you have eight. You put it through and then you make a slip knot. If I had a thing, I could do it. Let's see if I Let's try to do one. Let's see. No, but it's not enough. That's the problem. Okay. Put it in here. Oh, it's not going to work. You see how it's going to work? See this? Now, you put the sitsus right through the slip knot. Pretend it's all four strings. You put these guys through the slip knot and then you pull down. So you have a slip knot. You don't have a real You don't have a real kesher. You have a slip knot. It's slipped out already. That's how the slip knot works. We fold it in half. So we have eight strings now. Okay. Now we take the eight strings and we put it through the hole. Oh, you see like this. >> And now we take it and we put it through the slip knot. And boom. I didn't make a knot. It's a slip knot. So now it's hanging like this. But what did I gain? I gained that I folded it up before I put it through the hole. So now I put eight strings through the hole. Says Dim and we learned that you need four * two is eight. Not after you make a knot. All of a sudden you have eight through the slip knot. Now show you don't have to worry because it's slip knot. So I'm going to just go like this and boom, it comes right out. Beautiful. So listen to this. He took the four. He folded it up. He put it right through the hole. Folded. Then he did a slip knot. He holds that when you put when you put it through the hole, it should be eight strings, not four. Like we learned the word means two. Means four. As he put it through the hole, the Let's go back over here. seal the corner. He started out with eight strings, folded it in half. Now you have 16. And he put 16 through the hole. But he didn't make a slip knot. He made a real knot. Two knots. Did like what we do. We put four strings through the hole. Make two knots. And now you have eight strings on the other end. Here's a very interesting. Do you make a titan? What's going on here? kind of I hear I heard you making a tit says you don't make a when you make the ra I think that's when he became the so asked a contradiction on does really say that you don't make a you make know that if a a non-Jew Who makes this puzzle? Tell that they should make. If you look at this, would you be able to learn from these exact words? Tell that should make the learns it. There's another says somebody else should make you. But we learn it simple. should make this only and not someone who's not abandoned is what's the what's the contradiction any mitzvah that a non-Jew could perform then the Jew cannot say you you commanded me to do this mitzvah no anybody can do it no but when it's a non-Jew who does it. It's possible. Then a Jew makes a fact a very strong rule. Listen to this which is there's no in the city and there's a non-Jew. This is a non-Jew and a ki. Now there's throughout chance there's a ki or gay provided even if they're gay. Let's say the gays they're they're real in the beginning they became for real not because they were scared of the lions. We don't want the kuzi. If we have an option don't let the koozie why because the kuzi is going to have bad kavana. He does bris anyways for for his family all with kavana. They're old back in the day. hard gremla he might use his kavana during your son's bris not a good idea no at the end of the day is is a so don't give it to the don't give it to >> yeah yeah yeah true yeah we had a whole about that >> once he has the knife he does something with the knife We know if you've ever been to bris, the father makes a so this is a contradiction to your rule. What was your rule? Your rule is anytime a non-Jew could perform the mitzvah, a Jew does not make the braha. We know ma a non-Jew could perform a yet a Jew makes the says you're asking me a question on Rav's rule. Rav holds that a non-Jew cannot perform a so. So then we don't have a question. here like she said afterwards you the Jew shall wash the breast meaning you perform brisk if you could do if you if you have a you can perform a I'm going to bring you a riot from and I have a bomb question from har you could put as also as said the famous what does it stand for women have like a certain you know they need shade animals need the shadeim it's made for for any type of hut that that gives off shade this as long it's made for shade and not for for privacy purposes and a Jew doesn't make a bra on a so it's perfect since a guy can make a he's the first letter gimmel he can make the so there's no that fits into our rule he's supposed to make what do we do today how come we don't make By what? When you come to sit in a nobody ever made a perfect the problem is the problem from a makes no good. If uh writes over here means Gas. They're not real. Even a 12-year-old child that writes a no good. No good. You could put the fillin on. Then you can write the fill in. If you're a woman, you don't put on fill. You don't write the fill. [snorts] If you're asking, this is what you say. You don't say these two. Nobody ever heard they make a making. So there's a problem. Why? Because a guy cannot make fillin. And if a go can't make the Jew should make a on making we said anything a go can't do a Jew makes a on a go could do that's why we don't make so the reason is oh now we have an when you're done done and there's no more mitzvah keep going there's no follow up to the it's a one time thing you cut and that's it you're done even though performed If that's the end of the mitzvah, then the Jew makes the mitzvah that's not the end. fill in you put on every day even though cannot do the fill in the Jew doesn't make so what's going on in that's exactly the one holds that the mitzvah is on the talis and once you put the titus on that's it the mitzvah is over it's finished if it's over then you have to make a no every time the person wears the titus So it's more like sort of believe it or not we have a completely different way of learning the P like I pointed out in how do you know that when a guy makes it's kosher stop the should make you the that's how he learns that what it's for to make sense. Therefore, going back to the original, anytime a guy can make you could perform the mitzvah, then there's no brah. That's why we don't make a bra on scissors. What >> like that's why there's no. So, just as a preface, according to everybody, titus must be made. We just have a a question. What does it mean to make? Does make mean to put it into the hole and make the or does it mean weaving it? So says the if you make the the the strings of the tisses from leftover strings that are on the side of the you know they hang off the the fabric a lot of times you buy your shirt it's it's not you know it depends on the company also like little threads hanging all over the place and you take them and you make out of it. There's no there just to you know cut the threads on the uh on the floor like my tiss I gave him to to to what do you call it to seamstress to to do something to it. It came back with all sorts of colors of threads from I guess on the table there was a lot of threads and just my sisters picked it all up here in sheer I was busy pulling them off. You can't make s from that. No, no, like is this. Oh, perfect. These guys on the side. Yeah, these guys. You take these edges. You make make out of it. There's no in this. This wasn't made. This is the same thing as even it's like says no good. If you have like readymade thread, even though it wasn't made, you can't make from readymade thread. Everything needs to be done. Says there's there's the concept. We said this a bunch of times. Let me just show you what it looks like in writing so maybe you'll remember it even more. There's a concept that when it comes to to it has to be something that you're that's edible that you that's kosher. Gold is not kosher. Is not kosher. you put on the bim non-coosher animal it's no good because it has to be but if it's a the height of of a kosher animal it's even though you didn't do you need do you need to do or not so like that you have to do the the actual work has to be so here it is tells how do you how do you do how do you dye the you bring the the blood basically comes in a pouch of the snail of and other chemicals you put into a pot and you boil it up and you take a little bit in the egg. Why an egg? explained last night, egg is like today the equivalent of a of a paper cup, a plastic cup. You could toss it away. It's garbage. And you have to toss it away because this is you don't want people to use it because it's for checking purposes. Why do you have to check it? So the way he showed it is fascinating. This this uh what comes out of this is a yellow substance. Yellow. So how do you know if it's going to dye blue? So you must put white in it and pull it out and see if it's going to be blue. You dip in the wool. So you have to throw out that egg. You have to burn the wool that you tested. Why do you have to burn the wool that you test? Because you might use it for you can't use it for. Why? Because it's a test product. And when you test, it's for testing. There's no I see three things from here. Let's stop over here. No, we have no we have a few minutes, right? We're only at 56. We have four minutes. Okay. So we can keep keep on going. We learned three from here which says it's really two when you you test the fabric it's it becomes the that fabric that you tested you cannot use for because you didn't have the wasn't done for you didn't say you said the shame to see if it's blue or not now even if you had for that it's not enough because part of your mind was to test it's not it's not 100% for you need to diet which seems like the same thing. So that when you when once you use that dye one time you can't use it again. >> Double dipping. >> No double dipping mish. Ah then that that pun I'll take >> the that's called um what does it call it >> marisheni? Thank you. It's called You're telling me two things that are the same exact thing that what? Yeah. That when I'm just trying to see if it's the first one that what you dipped in the the the original one the test is no good. Why? Because you need it's the same exact thing. You're right. I was just explaining. Why can't you use the the fabric that was dipped into the original dye? Because you have to do it. The the leftover dye is is no good. It has to be has to be um concentrated and not used. He said one of his questions on rash is like why why you could do it 25 times and it comes up beautifully beautiful blue. How could it be that that that you can't use it? It's clear it's it's uh it's concentrated. They would they would love somebody to come and give them a sack that you could use a double dip because they would save a tremendous amount of money. He says no, you could use it twice. He learns the word as they double dip. Have a wonderful day. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor atmop.com.