CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 4 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Here we go. We're holding on and just a quick repeat of what we learned yesterday. We have the we're learning. What's a min is a type of a carbon, but it's made out of flour. Unlike a carbon where it's an animal and we have a kachimum very very similar to a carbon we have a somebody who either owes it because he sinned or he wants to give it as a donation he brings a different types of which we're going to learn throughout the within the you have which are the same exact ingredients It's just they're made in a different type of pot. So, one is thinner and uh harder, thicker, um harder, let's call it, and other one is larger. It It's the same amount of oil just because it's made in a different path. The oil burns off slower, so it's much softer. So just like in those of you who learned it same first mission as just over there it's talking about animals and over talking about over there it says that if a doesn't have the right is all about in his mind as he's shing this he thinks to himself that it's not an he thinks to himself it's really supposed to be an oil he thinks to himself it's so he ruined it for the person bringing it but he didn't ruin the actual carba you could still continue bringing the carbon our has a similar if he thinks in his mind that it's instead of a so he continue bringing it but the owner has to bring another one the only difference is that a a flower cost a dollar and an animal cost $500 a little bit of so we had a contradiction in himself says says on the one hand that if you bring a mah and the thinks to themselves that it's a different type of mah toss it out throw it in the garbage the other hand he says the different place he says that's perfect keep on going you could you don't even have to bring another so what's the so we had three theor says like this we'll just we'll say the as we go along because it's basically yesterday's and we're going to go through it quickly the reason why I did the chart is because now you could see who the ku is. You see that ku is rava and raashi. Ra and raashi don't say like rab. What does rabish say? Rab says the difference between the prices is that the in one was thinking about another owner not another. He thought that this this was brought by shim not by rub. So that's a mess up that you toss out into the garbage. That's why he says he throw it out where he says that it's okay because he just messed up with he knew the owner. He knew the owner is Ruben. They just thought that it's a different type of it's not. Okay. So, how come and raashi don't like rabb? Because rabb is actually saying that when a person messes up and it's obvious that he messes up, then it's kosher. He's holding in his hand. It's this thick, let's say, and he's and he's calling it a mas. Those those of you who have children know sometimes you look at your child, you say, "Call him shim instead of Rubin," whatever. Like and then you say and then you go to the next kid's name. Then you know finally get his name right. That ever happened to your father does it to you? Sitting right over there. Huh? He says yes. It happens. So did he make a mistake? No, he didn't make he he it was so his his mistake was so gross that it's not even a mistake. That that's raid says no. When you make a mistake you pled it. The fact that it was so bad the mistake it makes it even worse. So that's what they're saying over here. uh a mistake that's so obvious that's where it becomes puzzle. Okay, next one. By the way, it's a also easier. A lot of the are very easy and repetitive of but you take out the you put in flour. So ra is of the opinion that when a person makes a mistake between two, he calls it is instead of that's kosher. But what happened was he took this this pan this fried bread and he called it an is reserved for an animal. That's where it's no good. And that's that when you make a gross mistake, it's possible. And he and he also brings the revel and he says that when a person makes a mistake within the he calls one another he gets a free pass. Why? Because the says all are under one umbrella. So if you call the mas it's fine it's within the umbrella of but they say wait a minute if you're going with the there's another so when a person messes up in a you should have the same if the person ate blood by mistake and he has to bring but he the said it was for eating why do you have to toss that out it's all within the same umbrella of katas and therefore they don't agree to to rob That's the don't agree to the middle one. Now how come they don't like again we have a contradiction two say the opposite things that if you mess up in a it's okay if you mess up it's not okay says the difference is that when you mess up you didn't say the word said I'm bringing I'm bringing he didn't say when you say that's when it becomes possible we saw yesterday that asked the question what if a person messes up and it's an obvious mess up where he says I'm bringing uh a min called a bal in other words a person is is walking with a which is a very dry no oil and he calls it a bal so according to it's kosher but why okay so that that problem so basically what we see is that each raashi each one has a problem nothing is salad nothing we don't have a one answer that's a really good answer. So says we're holding four lines from the bottom. So as we saw is of opinion when a person makes a real mistake like Rash calls it. It's like real. So this is so bad it's not even it's bad. He's holding it in his hand. It's this thin. It's a cracker. And he calls it a soft. Okay. He it's a bad mess up. Everybody understood what he did here. Why toss it? Why? So Rabbi says when when it's so obvious then it's kosher. Rabba says the exact opposite. Rabba says if it's so it's such a bad mistake that itself makes it possible. Okay. So you have but nevertheless would ask the question what's opinion when a person messes up and he says and this is crazy he holds a in his hand it's made out of flour and oil and he says oh this is anah ana means carbon. What kind of carbon? You know what kind of animal is it? Aa got to know this stuff. We had it yesterday. Is always a z a is always a. So it's not a not a it's a piece of bread. So what is it? What's what's there is that if it's such a bad mistake, it's not possible and this is a bad mistake. It should be kosher. He called bread he called it perhaps because it's the that um that brings that all are under one umbrella but that's a if you make a mistake between then it's fine we give you a pass but if you make a mistake between you don't get the passiv doesn't talk about a carbon in the in other words he said we Don't shim contradicted himself. We have two braes that contradicts. We have three explanations how to explain the contradiction and each one has a hole. Each one has a parable. We just went through the problems. So the goes through now has a question on that once you do a heish and you learn that that if you mess up in a so what's the difference if you mess up between the owners you you you forgot that it's not ruling bringing it shim or you messed up in the itself a mess up is not a problem. So that's his question. We explained before we have also say should be under one umbrella. So you should get a free pass if you mess up by the but you don't as we explained before of a person says that he's bringing it's why great brand new says that if you mess up on a means a person let's say swore falsely and he can't afford to bring a carbon so he brings he's porous he brings flour he messes up. Let's say he goes into when he's he brings a flower. Now the way to remember it is because he's a he brings in this case benefits he doesn't bring any oil and any nothing brings flour and a is the of so here's the thing these two if the messes up and thinks that it's another type of he looks at the and says oh this is this came from the guy's good heart, not because he did a sin. You take it and you throw it in the garbage, literally. There might be a place over there to burn it, whatever, but it's garbage. You don't continue bringing it. So, it it basically mimics a carbon because a carbon and a carbon pes are the only two carbon that if the messes up and thinks that it's another type of carbon, you throw it out. Every other carbon, you continue with the process. You put it on. It's a nice thing. It's a It doesn't work for the owner. has to bring another one. You don't throw it out. There's no point to throw two of them. You throw out and so two when it comes to there are two that you throw out the and the of this. Why? Because it mimics and the itself calls this why you shouldn't put any oil here. You see this is the it's raw. It's so bad this you're a bad guy. You did a bad a so you don't even get to to to honor Hashem. You're not even going to put oil. You don't put any frankincense in it. The Torah calls it. Oh, so you toss it out if you make a mistake. Why is different than all other toss it out if you make a mistake? Because says if you have extra money left over from this of the you give it as an you buy with it you have what means when you have the same word in two different so you learn one positive from the other one idea from the other idea it says the for so we're learning two because we're going to learn the of just like when you have leftover money by you you put it into the push into one of the it's called and that money goes for the of the so too the leftover money of goes towards and one more if the messes up in his intent he thinks it's another type of carbon you throw it out oh so the answer is I learned from I don't like because if it's true that Apostle should have the same as why? because it has the same word in the of so you should learn from and toss out every mess up but that's not so you see it says the word in the of so what's the answer it's not a real because the other says and over here it says Now anytime the Gar does that almost every time the Gar right away jumps up new what does it say you learned this so what's the point the point will say the always says it doesn't have to be the not not only does it doesn't have to have the same spelling it has extra v here but even if it's a completely different word it's still a good as long as the words mean the same thing so let's see side. It's a different word. You don't you don't put you don't learn one word from the other because it says extra when the orga they call it a nega on a wall of a house. a nega if you come home and you see some sort of splat just instead of on your hand you see you see a white thing on your hand on your body you see it on on your wall it's a thing so you got to call a and it's one week two weeks he comes back he checks he comes back again so the two times that he comes back it says he returns and it says and he comes it basically means the same thing he returns to your house so you want to learn he can learn the first week from the second week it's not even the same word it's different words. It's the same thing. You can learn exam person makes a false it says over there also. Yeah. So you learn. Okay. learn from it goes away from his I'm looking for a source that tells me that if the messes up on you take the throw it out I wanted to learn from the says no I'm not going to learn from the only thing I learned from is that the extra goes to goes to not goes to the special fund that funds the for the but once you do you're going to learn uh from you have to learn all the from you can't just learn half and say oh it's only for the extra money goes to to to buy no we have a meal you're right typically you have to do the whole but over here it's a meal by only if the messes up a little bit and he thinks about something else, you toss it out. But all other if you the thinks about the wrong type of carbon, you continue with that carbon. So bottom line is I'm back to the original question. How in the world do I know that these two of a sinner and if the client thinks about another type, you have to throw it out. It says in the pro the word who Who? He who the says who but doesn't really matter. Yeah. Who? So by by also says the word who by also have this uh this word who and so you should say that doesn't mess it up or sorry it messes it up completely and doesn't mess up who every animal has these three things that go in them they're called the kidneys The user in English it's called this this steak is a very steak. It's called a skirt steak. It separates divides between the lungs and the the what do we what do you call it over there? It's like a it's a wall. Yeah. What? >> Diaphragm. Thank you. And the fat the fat that goes around the kidneys that goes on regardless of what you do. Now what if a person doesn't put it on? They forget they it fell on the side somewhere is the carbon is perfect. The point is that these if you don't do it not the end of the world the carbon is still kosher. So the word who comes after the in the when the is the word who it's after you already bring the which is not an important time anymore. So the word who is we don't really we're not ged so much. We don't care so much about it. But what what does it do the word who still even if you don't bring the word who one of my favorite videos of there's that if you if a person brings a let's say and he dies So it's it's one of the five that unfortunately what do you do? You have to let it die. You can't feed it. You can't do anything. But what if the same thing happens with ash and are very similar but they're different. They come for a guy sets aside an asham and he doesn't have a chance. He has a heart attack and dies. Now what do you do with asham? So what you do is you let it graze. So here's our version of you. let it graze and you hope that it it breaks a bone it it becomes a balm. So you have this this Kev this asham guy running around in Kev land trying to become a balum and somebody walks over and grabs him and checks him. What is he is he or an he started as an but we're hoping he's going to get a and once he gets a we're going to sell him and take the money and buy an with it. So it becomes an when you picked it up, you gave it to the shepherd to graze over there in Kevl. Then but if you didn't give it to the shepherd, then it remains in asham. And this I learned you ask me what do you do with the word who? I learned that from the word who it should remain as is. It remain all my What is that? On the second day of PES, you bring barley like we saw and by bringing and putting it on and together with you bring it with the sheep that allows you to eat all the crap that grew up until that point. But if you don't do you can't eat the new crap. Okay? So says the listen to this. So we're talking about a guy the messes up in his mind. He's thinking to himself that it's not oh I'm bringing now it's nothing to do with throw it out in the garbage because it comes what is the coming to do? It's coming to allow to eat food and you didn't accomplish that. So what's the point of continuing bring throw it out. So they'll come out. We have a big cash now because in the mission it says there's only two things that you throw out in the garbage and here we have a third thing. And the same thing would apply to the carbon of the Naz is a person who accepts upon himself not to drink wine, not to uh be and he messes up. Yeah. Let's say he says I'm going to do it for a year and the middle of the year he goes to a funeral and he touches that person. He has to restart the whole thing. But first he has to bring a carbon. The this nuzzer has to bring a carbon also. So person who's a who has and he's done with his whole thing. So one of the things he has to bring is an ash this ash that he did not only and the we had in the first here's more they come to allow a person to go into the mdash they allow a person to drink wine they're they're right most of fall there's two categories a carbon 90% of the time comes to forgive let's call it 10% of the time. I'm just throwing out a number. Is a m a mater means it allows you to do something. If you're a nazer, allows you to drink wine. If you're a woman who gave birth, it allows you to eat and then this this is forap for if you you didn't. So then if since it didn't accomplish what it set out to accomplish, throw it out. It's not. So now we have the same question twice. We have an Arab that you didn't do with the proper intent is what are the two exceptions we learned today of and a sinner and if you're correct listen how come it doesn't bring down the third one which is the says yeah you're right is part of it but it's not in the because the mission is talking about a private Another when it comes on its own comes together with a carbon with an animal. So it's not mentioned in another when does come second day every year same day. That's not interesting. That's not in our talking about something that could come on any day. Something that comes on a special day. without the right intent. It's possible. Throw it in the garbage because they come to allow you to do something. Sorry. The same exact question we just asked but from the first which says the same thing as our it says the list of the if you mess up in you have to throw out what are they what are the two if you mess up you have to throw out a question is I have more we just said if you're They come to allow somebody to do something. They know to drink wine and he didn't accomplish that. Throw it out. Says theap within the category of there's different types of a person lies that he didn't steal. If you use something from the bdash, you have to bring a carbon. You also have to pay. Do you guys know how much you have to pay the the BA mdash? you have to pay a 25% fine and the comes together with the 25% it's forapar not not to be therefore I can't just toss out one word and say because there's some that come forap some come for for and therefore there's no one for this part of so at the end of the day what's the difference if I if it's coming to to to forgive somebody for they did and didn't accomplish that because the guy the the ra is you have to bring another carbon just because you continue bringing the carbon on his bed doesn't mean that the owner was he wasn't he has to bring another carbon so if he wasn't why don't you just toss it I have an example says the where if a person dies you would bring the the carbon if it came as a as a not if it came as a kapara for instance a woman who gave birth is a woman who gives birth as bring two now she sinned in a way. Everybody knows she she she she swore she's never going to have children or is not so sure that that's the reason. Okay, let's say that's the sin. Which one of the two comes for her? Which one of the two comes for her to eat? Which one is for what? Say for no for the is for to eat. So she brought a bird and then she died the can continue bringing the why is forap but if they brought the if she brought and she died then you don't bring we see that you can bring you bring a kapara after you die we said what you can't find an example of somebody who bring you bring a carbon that allows you to do something after the person dies you also bring after death we'll just finish with this oh there's a video also another one three videos today somebody's in so I did this whole interview right before the Before we learned, I interviewed, his name is Rabi, he wrote a bunch of he's a Nazer, him and his wife. So throughout Nazer, we used him as our prototype for Nazer and our video today is also smish's face ai. It's beautiful. So he's in he knows that he's going to have to drink three carbon. So carbon is I bought a carbon once. I didn't add carbon. I bought a sheep for to to show. We did a in MDY. So it cost me $500. They're not cheap, these sheep, right? So, you have three sheep. I know people are are starting to I'm not joking. Somebody wrote he's he's saving money to come to the shabaton. He's already putting away money now. It's $1,000 a person. He's from now people start saving up. Not everybody has 1,500 bucks to just throw out a carbon. So, he puts money aside. You're not allowed to benefit from this money. But guess what? If you do, you're not you don't have to pay the 25% in the carbon. Why? Because another How many did we learn today? New is only on not. Yeah, you knew that. Probably not. Sounds familiar. Okay. If a person sets aside the and you benefit from the you don't have to pay. Well, that's already Yeah. So, you don't pay. So, these three carbonas, what are the three carbonas of Naz? Here we go. Check this out. Two of them are they're from the severe category. Then you have one called the one all the way on the left is I could say I put all my money designated for that on the side and there's no you don't you don't get the penalty. What if he died him and he has a bunch of money that I don't know what to do with so the money goes to what if he he specified what the money goes for what the designation is we go overn we're not going to go into it because we have to finish the there's five the middle one that the owner died nothing to do so if you have money for for the owner died. There's also nothing to do. What do you do? Toss it into the ocean. Some say it's the ocean. The ram this that you can never get it out of there. But if you benefited from the money, you don't have to pay. Why? Because it's designated for to be destroyed. Since it's designated to be destroyed, you're not what about the money that was set aside for it's not a problem. It's not it's so you could buy another and therefore you have and if you set aside money for you buy is a big how many days could you eat if you learn you know this two days but over here only one day you don't bring bread what's the point of allow to drink wine because You're right. There is a that you bring after the death, but not something that's this video that I should have shown you over here. If you shave on one of the three bonus, we'll finish right over here. is saying that what he meant to say is that if it's a kav something that's that's um uh whatever the translation kav is that is is something that doesn't come after mis but a regular there is a that comes after miso have a wonderful >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysonsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com