CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 3 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning live from Park City, Utah. Boy, here we go. We are in the second day of today. We have a easy daff. the most of the DAFF is going to be discussing this idea that we learned yesterday that according to and Rabb explains that goes with time of the let me look into the reasoning behind what the Torah says and when you could tell that what a person is doing is false it's we ignore what he's saying and doing when a person is saying that he's he's bringing a flat but in fact he's bringing a very thick soft one. So we just ignore him. We say okay he said it but but he didn't mean it and therefore it doesn't ruin it. Whereas when you're doing a carbon you can't tell because every looks the same and every saddam looks the same every looks the same. So when a person tells you that I had a mind to bring you instead of that ruins the carbon in a way but by doesn't. So basically what we're going to be doing today is going through a lot of different cases. Let me throw an example. A carbon pes we know is a little sheep less than a year old. So if a person shows up to mdash with a cow and he brings a carbon pes from a with a cow. So you said the guy is crazy. The guy he didn't mean it to be a carb appraisal. So it's it's it's a joke. Ignore him. You know what I'm saying? So when when it's when it's very when it's very clear that what the person is saying and doing are so different and they're opposites, then his actions speak louder than words and therefore his actions are what count, not the words. Does that hold true to everything? And that's where we're going to go through different cases. What if you bring an animal? Another example. What if I'm supposed to bring a one-year-old animal and I bring a 2-year-old animal? Are those actions that speak louder than words? Or perhaps people don't really know the difference between a what if I was supposed to bring a male because all are male and you brought a female. What if I brought I was supposed to bring a female because all are female most and I brought a male. It's that action that speaks louder than words. And that's that's today's like I said easier stuff today. We're holding 10 lines from the bottom. These are all the different questions that we're going to bring on this idea of actions speak louder than words. Okay. So for this we need to explain a little bit and Here it goes. There are two types of birds that we bring in the B mikdash. A pigeon and a dove. We bring a and that's it. There's no there's no there's only two. There's no on a bird. Although today we chef chickens with a knife, not in the B mig. For that we do malika. This is what malika would look like. It's the nail of the thumb goes from the back of the neck. And that's how we kill the bird. It's not a it's called a Now what do you do? There's something called haha and something called mitsu. Hzah is when you take the bird and you shake it. You don't touch the misb. You throw the bird sort of a throwing motion with your right hand towards the misb and the blood from the neck goes flying onto the that's when you take the bird and you fetch it on the wall of the misb. Squeeze it onto the wall. Let's see how that looks. That's me. Now notice the cayenne is standing above the red line. There's a red line on the It's called the He's standing above the red line. That indicates to us that this is an ila bird because ana bird goes above the red line. There's only one other carbon that goes above the red line and that's a katus animal. Everything else goes below the red line. So if it's a katas bird will go below the red line. Anola bird all you do is mit a kas bird you do both. Do haha and then you do mit. You sprinkle it and then you do here. You do this. Let's see. And you'll notice here he's standing below the red line and he throws he tosses the bird towards them. The blood comes flying out and hits him back. That's called huzah. What the Gumar is going to do now is say look from the fact that he's doing it above the red line indicates to me that he's doing an or from the fact that he's doing or let's say h is only for so that would indicate to me that he's doing so if you say action speak louder than words so his action is showing us whether it's anah or depending on where he's standing or what he's doing. Is it has or I'll know whether it's or again there's only has which is the sprinkle and then which is the squeeze has both. So let's see inside if so now if you take an bird and you say it's a bird but you're above the red line. The fact that you're standing in a place that only is reserved for an So that tells me that it's an the fact that you said that you're doing a means nothing to me. You made a mistake. You misspoke. your your action of being above the red line is louder than the words that you spoke and it should be a good bird. Why? The fact that you're standing above the red line proves to me that you're being mur because if it was bird, you would be standing like in this picture below the red line. says, "No, that's not what you can't perform the the above the red line. We learned if you perform the malik with your thumb, you kill the bird with your thumb above the red line, even though it's kosher." So just the fact that he's standing above the red line doesn't tell me that's an as well. So nothing more as the other question which I kind of prefaced. If you're doing an bird but you did which is squeezing above the red line and you said to yourself that you're doing a it should be good. Why your actions prove what you're doing? It's I'm proving that you're doing an because if it was the bird, where do you do the of do below the red line? So, first of all, two problems here. First of all, be below the the red line. Second of all, you do the tossing, the throwing, not the squeezing. First, you do the throwing. So it says because people are going to say maybe what you just noticed was the squeezing of the neck of the bird after he already performed the in other words people from your your action is not conclusive because yes you squeeze the bird but is supposed to squeeze after you toss it first you do then you do so now I caught you doing mits above the red line it doesn't mean it's an perhaps the and I'm doing the mit after Because we learned on top if you do meet anywhere above the red line as well. It's also why because the main part of the is the sprinkling not the so asking third question the shame what about the reverse you take a bird and you say that it's an bird and you do now haha is reserved only for not because I could prove to you that the fact that he did that and not because if it was an you would do it above the red line. That's number one. And number two, you wouldn't do you don't do for you only do you only do the squeeze. Says the Gar. Now the gives in on this case. You're right. That case he took bird and he said it's an sorry did it's obvious that it's bird. But what What we were saying is that the you could see the actions speak louder the words by and not by animals but by birds. Yes, you could tell from the action of a bird. I apologize. drink from the battle says. Now another question. So here's the here's a picture of the Um, let's see if I can zoom in on the here. This this guy right over there, that's now where the finishes, you can see the ramp of the that's the southern part of the and then you have this square on top. Let me see if I can get I don't know if this is going to work laser. Here we go. Yeah, it doesn't work when this area right over here and above this whole area is the northern part of the in other words this line right over here which is the end of and upwards is north from this area down over here that's south all kachi kachin now let's go to the list of kachin kachikach What else? They must be above the red line above in the northern part of not in the southern part. All can beed even in the south. It's hard to understand's question really is saying well from the fact that you did it in the south is that it's but no you could do it in the north as well you could also do in the south. So that's answer if you take an asham and you check it. So here you can see you checked it in the green box but you have in mind that it should be a slum. Let's say take an which belongs only in the green box. He say it's from your actions that you're not why you in the south. So it seems from typhus that typically speaking they would always these carbonas in the south. If they had an emergency and there's not enough room then they would also shuck it in the north. So that that was that you could see from his action that it's a not a from the fact they shut it in the north not in the south said that you could check the column also in the south not only in the south. So you could check in the green box as well. The fact that you in the green box doesn't tell me that this prove you anywhere. Oh, so now another question. What if I take my voice is still shot from shamas by the way. What if you take and you in the south? Now it's impossible to say that there for sure you cannot take an or in the south. Those are reserved only to the north. But he said he'sing it. He takes aim and he says but I'ming it for now we have a situation where his actions prove that it's not an because he wouldn't in the south why you can prove from his actions it must be that he's really and he just misspoke and he said that if it was he would only in the north. Now goes to something brand new. It's in fact and he was yes he took and he was. So now this opens up a box of worms so to speak. Why? Because once we go that route then we say oh a person could be. So actions don't speak louder than words. Some you do you take an action and you're being so then the same thing would apply to the that we spoke about yesterday. If he's trying to do a thick soft ma so so what if he said that it's a thin hard actually speak louder than words but maybe no maybe he's being verb. says, "So if a person makes a mas, so here, let's see what a mahas looks like. We have something new today. This is mas. The top one is mash. The bottom one is mas. It's thinner." But here, this is a little bit better on the right. Thicker comes out softer. same amount of ingredients but a larger pot and because it's a thinner frying pan so to speak so it becomes comes thicker and harder we should say the same thing the fact that he said in his mind that it's the thicker wall of he's been and he put it he wants to bring it in in in a frying pan since he said his nether was he's going to bring it once but once he changes it and he brings it in it turns into we learned he says says, "I want to bring a but he brought it in." He said, "I want to bring a mash." But the fact is that he brought it in a frying pan in it changes it physically. He has to rebr once he says the word zoo. Similar to what we said yesterday and a dava then a da means he says zoo and he's saying this flower specifically. So now doesn't change you take out these words he says I want this flower to be a but at the end of the day he brought it in. So perhaps he said so says you're right according to however says that he is what you say with your mouth and saying oh I want it to be something else but the fact is you're doing you're you're doing a but you say you want it to be B. His mouth doesn't do anything. It doesn't matter what he says, what word he uses. Even if he uses the word zoo, it doesn't change anything. Says, so we're continuing. We're still probing. We're still pushing. And at the end of the day, we're going to see that are certain things that action speak louder than words. Even inas The same if you take an anah is supposed to be male and you say that it's a which is always female not always but it's supposed to be female. Why is always a male and is supposed to be female? says now since that the brings but that particular is a so it's it's not 100% that what you're bringing here this is because there is a that is a no idea whether or not the n has to be there not be there it seems like from the fact that there is a possibility in Somebody standing from the side would be confused then it's not an action that speaks louder than words. So now the Gmorra keeps on going, keeps on pushing. But there is a that's guaranteed to be a female and you can't say you cannot say that it's a why because individual notes. What are you going to say then? What about the reverse? What if you took which is a female and you said it should be an is always a male. So it can't be an it must be your actions are speaking louder than words. So you're going to tell me in that case it's a good talking about cheap and cheap traditionally unless they change it because in our generation they cut it off almost like a Doberman pincher but a a true you know an original sheep look something like this. They have very very large tails and you cannot tell whether it's a male or a female. And that's considered like the fattiest part of the the sheep. Very very to eat. That's great. If you're bringing sheeps, you have this kind of excuse or reason to to not know the difference between what if you brought a goat? How would you know? You should know the difference. But to make to to differentiate between when you see a dog in a park and somebody asks you two minutes later, was it a a male or a female? Usually you don't really pay attention to that. It's not something that's on your mind that you flipped and that was the first if you flipped the designation from any other carbon you toss that carbon in the garbage and you toss in the garbage. Other carbon is you keep on bringing it. The owner has to bring another carbon but it's not possible. A carbon pay it's very sensitive becomes possible. So if you said that's not a carbon, what is a carbon? Why why throw it out? It's obvious that you meant to bring a carbon. Why? Because the age difference has to be less than a year old. And has to be in the second year. starting the second from the second year on if a person said he's going to refrain from drinking wine and grow his hair not being a mace for 30 days typically and during those 30 days he touched a mace. So he has to bring in a nazer sorry that's a is a person who has saras bring a carbon ma now these are younger ones these are sheep that are a year So it's hard to tell. You're asking me if it's pes there's also asham that is a year old. But what about he takes a pes and he says this should be for swearing falsely on gazel and if somebody's meaning he takes something from the bd and he uses it he has to pay 25% fine plus he has to bring uh of carbon it's 25 the says it's meaning 20% but in in in in English it's called 25%. plus a carbon. He says it's a but he says I want to bring you for now it has to be a 2-year-old. It's obvious again. I can tell from how old it is what kind of carbon I'm bringing for him. People don't realize the difference between sheep. How old they are? Oh, oh, yeah. This is a 2-year-old sheep. No, it's a one. You know, we're not such and sheep to differentiate and make a whole big deal about it. Says good. Sometimes you have a one-year-old that looks like another question. What about a goat that for an you need a a sheep is only a sheep. So if you bring a goat, it's obvious that you didn't make you didn't you didn't bring it as a says want to know, you know, maybe it's a sheep that's black. Interesting. In other words, it's not a goat. People don't realize it's a goat. You think that maybe the sheep got a haircut, says Rashi. And therefore, it's black. So what's what do you mean? You take a sheep, you give it a haircut, it turns black. Somehow she could look like a goat after you get it. Here comes his parish. We got to pick up some pace here cuz we have the whole and we only have like uh 10 minutes. What if you brought a calf and a bull for everybody knows to be a sheep or a smaller animal, not a big giant animal? There is no such thing. You're right. You got me in that one. you got me in what the said is that in in a you can differentiate but not not in I didn't mean all most there is there's a an exception to the rule and that would be if somebody brought a bull for a car that would be obvious that he did not mean to bring it as a garment now we're going back to the question we had a contradiction says and he says that if you bring And you think that it's instead of that you are on the other hand says you're not. And we had this yesterday so we could even go quicker than usual. Where do we say that's kosher that that he said that the should be he was doing it for with in with with intent for where's apostle we thought that he's bringing a carbon like he's saying that this is not a this bread over here is an bring it as a carbon explains there's a says this is the of all the so if I get confused between and it's okay I'm still kosher I'm still within I said the says they're all considered one but if I try to switch it off to is not included over there says not because it says but because it's you could I could prove from the action explains that the word is really it's not He explains why it is delight but we can even read it. You could see from his from his action it's nicker. It is obvious what he meant. So that's why the says What does it mean that you don't have this by the reason why it should be kosher? So even though there's one for everything, every everyone and there's no concern that maybe people get confused and they'll say that you're allowed to mix things up. this this only applies to another question a person who ate he ate forbidden fats but he brought as if he he he ate blood so if a person drinks blood he has to bring but he thought that he's bringing for or the reverse of or he brought thinking that it's based on what you're telling me that if the says it you have one for all so there's no mixing says you're right you would that if you mix up in that in that why is it there one category of if you drink blood but the other other if you mix it up then it's possible why and the they bring other carbonas with And people are going to get confused. They're going to think that you brought this for an all these that we just mentioned if you mix it up. Why? Because it says in the it should be for that. You have to have in mind for the right. Now this contradiction that we have between in the one hand he says that if you mix up the other hand says you're not we had this yesterday. If you you say that it's a a frying pan instead of a deep dish that's not a problem. But when you say that it's a a that's a problem. Sticking the word that ruins it. If you're just verbalizing what you're doing, not in terms of the in terms of the type of dish, that doesn't make a difference. the you're doing a that's different that's already a problem says that you could see from the action. So once again we have the issue is it Even though it all looks the same since you had a different thought in the actual that it that actual that actually passes it. Do I have to stop? It's already an hour. Let's just do a few more lines. If a person takes a dry without without oil and he did it with the intent. Here's a nice kit. So he did it with intent that it's bubble that it's has oil. Why is it? Because what he meant is that it's it's says he's saying it's like oh it's without without oil. Maybe when a person said I'm bringing this for he didn't mean maybe he meant uh shalom peace peace with I'm making peace with no aban is called there is something called so when a person verbalizes the word he actually means so the calls So when you say that's what you meant but the is never called a mixed one with oil. It says in the that is mixed with oil but it's not called a bubble by by itself is not called a bubble. If it has oil in it it's a with oil. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.