CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 23 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding on top. We know that there's something called it's a you bring a carbon to Hashem just flour. Why? Because you sinned. You did some sort of a vera that you can't and you can't afford a real carbon. So, Hashem says, "Okay, you get a oil of you can bring flour. That's all you could afford. Bring flour." Now, this flour, as the Torah says, you're not allowed to add the typical oil and frankincense, the shea, you know, you just give it as is flour. He goes ahead and the cayenne takes the kimo and then adds a little oil to it. What? What's that? Did he ruin it? He ruined it. The says no oil. No oil. What's the problem? Even if he didn't add any oil by mistake or on purpose, you're supposed to add some oil. You do you do something like this. You take a bowl that was already used for a min. If you look closely, I don't know, maybe you'll be able to see. Here you go. You see like a little remnants of oil. And that's the bowl that you you do a you're supposed to do it here. Oil like this. So what's the problem to add oil? He says you're already using oil. So what's so then to do it? You're supposed to put it in such a bowl. So then what's the problem to just add a little oil? as the but the say you're not supposed to add any oil don't put on top of it any frankincense no before the don't add any oil but with the you put it in says you're supposed to use such a bowl so then you can add a little oil also means a dry a dry is a moist. So if I were to ask anybody in the room what give me an example of a everybody says everybody's going to say that we just talk. Oh, so here we have a to our question have that was mixed in you should you could you could be now you have to stick in explains that according to first of all the questions according to first of all it says but even according to that say that you should be it's only because of the concept that we had yesterday that one carbon cannot be in another carbon [clears throat] so you have two, one is, one is a B, then one is not going to make a problem for the other and you don't say, "Oh, this one absorbed oil and this one didn't." No, you put them both on. But if you add outside oil, it's problematic. Even would admit that's question like everybody here in the room thought right away. What does mean a dry dry mah which doesn't have any oil which touch and here we have a that you're not supposed to be mate and said you're supposed to be mate you could be mate [cough and clears throat] you made a mistake yes initially the first thing that comes to your mind is check this out when you bring a sheep as a carbon you have to bring three lan for every and for a cow it's tul of oil for every now happens to be that there's more for a cow so there's going to be more oil but relatively speaking per per uh handful for per kamita there's going to be a lot more oil a third more or I don't know math but something like that whatever it is it a third okay whatever But there's going to be uh I don't know if that's the right word. Relative >> only the top. >> The bottom is confusing. >> The bottom just tells me how much this total oil. So don't >> look at the top. >> Top over here for the for the cow for the sheep it's three lug of oil per every s and for the cow it's only two. That's what I mean by if uh a min of a cow gets mixed up with a min of a sheep, the sheep has much more oil. And that's why you shouldn't put it on the because now you're taking one is absorbing oil from the other. So one has less oil than necessary and one has more oil than necessary. both problematic and therefore what and there's no about our question about the whole question was want to bring a from this says but does not mean it could also mean the cows which is compared to the the sheath but how could that be in the itself it mentions both cases case number one, cows mixed with sheep. And then a second later, the next word is how can you tell me that it's talking that means a cow. When it says and then a second later it says it's actually one sentence. It means which one is called and the other one is called a it's not two separate cases another question you take the kim which is in this case is a it's a a dough mixed with oil and you give it a nice somehow I don't know that seems hard to do but you squeeze it in a way that you squeeze out oil from it we even have a little bit of a depiction there [clears throat] and then and you put the oil on a tree puts it So, put it on a plate, let's say, and then you take the the flour, the dough. When after you're done, you put it on top of the oil. Question is, can you combine the two? Or once you squeezed out the oil, it's no longer part of the kima, and therefore, you can't be microwaved. Here, something like this, squeezed out the oil onto a tree, and then he puts the dough on top of it. Are they connected now or not? >> What? We'll go with the first one. We like to go with the first one. The when you connect the two things in this case is not a carbon. You connect one to the other. It's as if they're connected. You can put it on this. It's not. They're not connected. I have something very similar. Isn't it another famous question here? Let me show you this this video. You tell me what that is. This is a total meat and bone. Kazay total. He takes it. A little bit of exaggeration. Not a big one. If a cayenne could throw a feather 20 ammo, 40, 40, 50 f feet, he probably could take a thing and throw it 3,000 fine. >> Oh, straight to the Olympics. >> Here's the question. In this particular case, the meat is not a full but together with a bone. It's you took piece of meat and you brought it outd you put it on a bum in your backyard. Whatever you did with it, says the bone is connected to the meat and together you have a So this is a old question. would he asked me a new question? Can I combine two parts and make them one? Says the there's no connection. If you think about it for a second, you'll see there's no connection. It still remains a question by us. Over there, we're talking about a bone. Everybody knows that animals born with bones. Bones are all part of it. Yes, you don't want to eat it. You sometimes remove it. Fine. But it's part of it. But this oil has nothing to do with the with the with the flour. You you now you separated the two. Now you can't combine them back. Maybe it by a bone because a bone is something that if it falls out. Let's say you're bringing oil onto the bath. We had it before. We're not going to show it again. You were walking up the ramp and one of the bones falls out. There's no mitzvah to put it back on. You don't put it back on. if it falls, you're supposed to put it back in. Or perhaps there's no difference between the two cases. And if in one case we say, whatever you hold in in the case of a meat and a bone, you'd hold the same thing by flour and oil. I even have a little bit of a of a picture here. If you have two minus that are touching that fell into each other and you didn't take the kamitz yet right from every one of them, you have to take a kamita. Here we go. Boom. So depending if you could take a kamita easily. [clears throat] In other words, they're not mixed in so much. You could take a kamita. I would I told Yoshi I'd rather do it from the right side. He said it's way too hard for him to change at, you know, whatever 11 o'clock at night. So we left it as is. I just didn't like the the fact that he took the kam from where they touch each other. Let's call that center spot, you know, that's already what he did is okay because he took from the top. It's it's very I want to make it clearer. Take the kamita all the way from the right. Take the kamita all the way from the left and then you're good. [clears throat] Later on, if you turn to that, you'll see a picture in the says he goes something like this that's like two combs. But okay, right now we're understanding they're like touching each other at one point. That's fine. If you can do from the right and from the left, great. But if it got all mixed in then you can't do anything about it because says and each one you have to take the from itself and not from its friend and it would become puzzle. Next case, three cases. You took the you did what you're supposed to and then it fell in to another bowl of a that nobody did anything with it. There's no mitzvah to put that on the fire. However, if you went ahead and you threw it into the onto the at the end of the day, your went onto the so the other guy whatever and of course the one that the kamita fell into there was never kamita taken from it because you cannot take a kamita because you might be taking the first kamita. So that guy has to bring another completely. Okay. Now, same idea. There's a taken. It's ready to go, but it fell back into its original bowl. Now you have of that you're not allowed to dem that goes on. That's the carbon. The rest is is you're not allowed to put the rest on the on the So your fell back into the original bowl into the part into the part that was supposed to eat or another same idea even though it's but at the end of the day the went onto there's a vat and a bottle. This is a there's a little guy here you can't even see. Uh uh the matal is the majority always a mat is the majority and the battle is the minority because when it comes to being something when you want everybody knows what does that mean you take the majority and the majority overcomes the minority so you have I don't know a piece of that falls into a pot the majority p is going to try to try to get it not get it But it's always the matal the mat versus the bottle. Okay, that's why the matal is the ro is the majority. The bottle is the mute. According to as we're going to see this is the whole right here. According to we always go by the always we we look at the and according to we always go by the bottle. So here's here's a mic. Here's a here's the thing. A Jew can never become a Never. I don't care if you be if you try to >> what is it called? You can baptize and convert and whatever. You can never become a Jew. But a guy can become a Jew. You hear this? That's that's the in the a Jew can never become a guy. A could become a Jew. So if you take that to meat meat kosher meat is like a Jew. Kosher meat can never become an availa. No matter what you do to it, it could touch 25 aas afterwards. It cannot become an aa. It was it's kosher meat. Non-coosher meat an aa could become a could. How? When it spoils. Because non-coosher meat time out time out. Non-coosher meat has tuma. An aa has tuma. When you when you don't check the a cow it drops dead it emits tumi. You touch it become tommy. If it touches food becomes tommy. Humans become. But when it decomposes eventually after two months the tum is going to evaporate from it. In other words the becomes the becomes a can never become an aa. Now this is this is where it becomes tricky. This is counterintuitive and I need you to understand this. It's super important and very easy but it's counterintuitive. When this guy, this guy go becomes a Jew and he becomes part of them, he becomes he becomes the same as them. But here's what's counterintuitive. When you become the same as them, you cannot be like them. Your tum remains in you. If you're tummy, you see that's where that's the only trick here. That's where people get confused. On the one hand, he becomes like them, but he cannot become to them. Whatever he has before his that he brings to the to the to the party remains. They're not going to be able to overcome his if they are like this case. If if you keep the separate from the they're actually going to be him. It's counterintuitive. They are gonna overcome him. You hear is not it messes with your head because you think oh we embraced him. He became Jewish. He's like us. Yeah. But when you become like us it's bad. [clears throat] Two bloods. We learned yesterday. Two bloods are never bottle. Never. They look the same. They are the same. If you have this amount of blood in a giant uh barrel of of blood, you could still spray it on the one doesn't become bottled with the other. It's a it's counterintuitive. >> That's the that's the little trick here. See number one is this is this is this is a bottle. This is the the larger amount and the smaller amount. What do we go by? What do we care? Who do we care? According to we always care about the according to we always care about the buffalo. The other thing is that there are some things that eventually change like non nea meat changes in terms of its toma. It evaporates later on but kosher meat can never change to become an aa. And also you have to remember for this according to this if it's the same if eventually so here's the thing if non-coosher meat na meat turns into kosher meat it's terrible because now it's the same min and they're not bottle. >> But if one is not but for whatever reason >> yes >> even if there's rape >> it depends on what we're looking at. If we're looking at the bottle or so here, I'm going to give you a good case here. >> This is the whole if you know these things, that's the whole basically goes back and forth a little bit, but that's it. Check this out. This is a very simple uh case and all the cases are simple. This is a simple case of two kosher pieces of meat and one nea piece of meat. Does the NA become ble to the Torah says you always go by the so kosher should overcome the and therefore in terms of tum if you were to touch one of the three pieces and you have no idea which is the t which is not you should remain why because there's a of the but let's decide here says we go by the we go by We go by the kosher. Check this out. Let's do this slowly. The kosher can never become. And all I care about is kosher. Now I care about the mat. I care about the shark. According to I go by the shark by the by the larger amount. That's the my only focus. I don't care if the nea could turn uh nontom tomorrow. That's not my focus because I'm not talking about the but I'm only talking about the can kosher ever become non-coosher. In other words, the answer is no. If the answer is no, then those two then those three pieces are what? Think about it for a second. It's the the Jewish guys are never gonna become and therefore it's two different mean there's there's the kosher and there's non-cooser and I don't care I I only look at the mat can the vat turn into na no so it's two different meaning what happens when you have two different mean it overcomes it it becomes ble and if I touch the nea in this case I'll bear now you get it say there okay let's see it inside here on the chart. Let's do the chart says I'm focused on the you see that square over there. It just shows I'm focused on on those guys what it it remains because now we have kosher and a kosher doesn't flip. So what happens? >> No, that's there's a little bit of a problem with the charts. Fine. >> So we could do this. According to Khan, our focus is on the bottle, on the little guy, not on the left. The little guy, think about it. It's beautiful. Now, the little guy, the one guy, the the trafe guy, the Naa, he could turn into kosher. And our focus is on him, not on the two guys. Our focus is on the meal. So, since he could turn into kosher, meaning he not to so, all three of them are the same exact men. And if they're the same exact men, they're not B. And if I touch one of the three pieces of meat and I don't know which one I touch, I'll be sufficing the opposite of because my focus is on the bottle. according to according to my focus is on the says inside if I have if I have two and one piece that's this case over here two versus one so the one guy becomes to the two why because my focus is on the And the guy cannot become an ever and he's more he's a he's and therefore I'm going to take a guy and say that he's oh yeah it's the wrong chart I just jumped the chart but you know what just happened there [cough] >> it became miniminoi very good it became minim The that guy spoiled the Nail is spoiled. When he's spoiled, he becomes Jewish. He becomes he becomes closer. He becomes now all three of them become the same exact men. Would all three of them become the same exact counterintuitive, but we just jumped, you know, we're a couple lines before that. [clears throat] and he oh sorry but if it's the reverse rabbi it's the reverse you have one and two nas I have to find that chart somewhere here like this you have one two nas now I always go by the mat check it out I always go by the matal what's the mat now re it's tricky what's the mat the the reds are the now the reds could flip in to green. So becomes what cannot become >> even though they >> even though they exactly everything is you have two before is the opposite >> that's why it's beautiful. Well, no, it's gishmaka. It's very It's just >> if you don't have the these things. Last night I didn't have this. I think this helped a little bit. just the chart cuz you see I did for me it helps and it's a bottle the it tells you the shark whatever is the larger piece is always the why isn't because it becomes a because as we saw before the is thea and the noa could flip into that and we according to we look only at the battle at the and the could change could get spoiled and turned into because flip into meaning non when it spoils it changes categories from be from to becomes in this case as you see on the screen all three of them become the same exact min and when they're the same exact and now we're finally byino which which we saw before but why not let's do them again says we always view we always look at the bottle not the we look at the bottle we look at the bottle and if the bottle in this case the is the bottle it's the it's the minority the minority could change how by this by getting spoiled and turning two non. So all three of them become the same. They become they're all the same according to which we're going to have to see in a second what just happened. What just happened there? We're pretending that everybody holds according to who? The majority. We had this yesterday that two bonus that go on the on the means they don't become but but if it's the same you could have a you whatever the majority is that that's what works and if you go according to in other words he says I go by the I don't go by okay this is like it's no I don't go by the I don't look at it this is this I go by the dam. You see by dam that it doesn't matter what kind of dam it is. This is carbon dam and it's the outside appearance. Okay? Certain things you go by the outside. So is always the same exact men. Here you take one of these. It doesn't matter what case it is. You could have two one a you could have two one. It's always nothing changes. They look the same. They look the same. So what's the what are we talking about over here? This must go according to says a statement one is bottled to the other. Which one is bottled to the other? Well, it depends. According to >> we have the uh the NA here the NA is bottle right the little guy is bottled into the into the according to it's exactly the opposite the the is but he says one is ble but the continues but who is he according to according to it's Nothing to do. It's only one thing that's not bottled. Two are not to one another. If two put two mas on one has more oil, one absorbed oil from the others. Okay, you put it on. They don't they don't they don't they don't care about right. They learned it from a review the grab from the grab from the same exact but they don't hold. How can you make anina and say that the is the but not the and according to the the is but not it's doesn't go it goes in both directions says no I'm going to say it goes according when say this when one thing could turn into the other like a piece of meat A could turn into by becoming spoiled. Then you say then then literally becomes think about it. The piece of meat can never become the non-cos piece of meat. So it's two different. Yeah, they look the same but they're different. And then what's oh and finally the Gar puts it all together says straight out according I go by the I only look at him I focus on him. Can he change? Can he not change? And according to I always look at the little guy and say can he change or not? And finally says in the Mishna and now what does this have to do with us? All of this complicated stuff which by the way we're over with done pretty much is only because we want to prove it from our Mishna. Can we prove from our Mishna? Take a look at this. I have a good good graphics for this. It says you have two. Remember here this case two laying on top of each other mixed in on top of each other. Not the whole thing part the middle part. What are you supposed to do? You're supposed to take a a kamita from the right and a kamita from the left. Ask I'm just going to say very very beautiful as when I took a kamita from the right. So what happened? The entire m on the right became what? >> Became shir. What's the m on the left that I for I didn't take yet. I didn't get a chance to go in and take a kam. So what is the one on the left called? It's called tel. There's no there's no no kam taken. The one on the right should overcome and take a little part off of the left. It should be part of the left. It should grab I don't care how much a little piece of it because if a little piece of the left is missing you can't do kam. How could you say that you should take from the right and then take from the left kit from the right? I made the one on the right became green. The one on the left is tel. So now the one on the right should be the one on the left. The one on the right should be considered more. Why more? Even though it's less because it's missing a kamita, but it's possible that it's laying on top of more. It's more than what it's laying on at any given point. >> Volumewise. At the point that they're touching. That's how they explain the point that they're touching. The green guy It could have more than the red guy could. >> We didn't say there's enough comm. Nobody ever told us, oh, it depends if there's more or less. There's a straight out take a kam from the right take from the left. Why shouldn't the the right guy overcome and be some of the red and once it's a little bit even a tiny even if you're massing to me that it was mat one iota you can't do kam from the left because it's missing a little bit. Let's see inside. But the gar is going to go deeper here. It depends how I view what what what overcomes what do I look at the or the bottle according to I look at according to I look at the bottle >> and here's that's why I want to bring so says if you can do from both do it share once he did from the what is the other part of that of that becomes the green part not the not the other one the other part becomes in the we're asking it should we're asking it should and we see in the who does it go according to when you have the same exact men it can't be according to this would be a problem according to because they're all the same thing and one should be the other and that's problematic. If it's then then you don't have enough flour dough on the left side is not now depend you go according to you go by the minority you go by the left oh check this out the guy on the left could he ever be like the guy on the right >> yes >> after after you do kamito it could turn into the right >> but the right can never become >> the right is like a it's already done you already took the comm the right can never become the left >> MMA law we go by the we go by the one on the left and the and now it's going to be counterintuitive the left could become like the right and then it becomes what and if bottle and that's why I could take a from it. There's no but we go with the green guy the one on the right the right can never become because he already took it and therefore what it's and if it's the green a little bit from the red how could you take from the red so maybe it doesn't go according to is the one that says We go by the it's hard says no you know what's there's a you can't one thing can't be the other it says in the right [snorts] just like if you have two that fell into one path one is not doesn't overcome the other you put both of them onto them we have You can't do this. It says in the got mixed in with another that you didn't take from. If you put it into the oven, you put it on the sorry the you got the the the it wasn't the the didn't have a doesn't now according to who's this the same question we had three times already according to they only say two don't go but over here the doesn't go on and it should be the and same question same answer if you go according to the according to is good why the you could do to the and it'll be like the like the bottle you could do from anywhere in parenthesis Once it could change into the could change into then becomes the same exact thing and if it becomes the same exact thing does you cannot become and therefore you should take a from the left side but according to now the question you go by the can never become maybe it's a According to this also goes according to that says have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.