CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 22 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Here [music] we go. We're like in the middle of so we're holding byashi smack in the middle of the gar brings the the bez decided that a cayenne could use the salt of the ban mikdash okay could use the salt of the ban mdash and we said yesterday already established for what for his own carbon if he brings a carbon he has he makes a steak and he's allowed to eat from the carb carbon certain carbonas all these carbonas he gets to eat from it. He could use the salt for his steak but not for a sandwich that he's using that he's eating to fill himself up. So the Gmorrah says that wait a minute it makes sense because if so how could how is it possible that only a could eat could use the salt but not a ken where's the logic every that steps in the bdash gets to use the salt of the mdash but the kayak why not [snorts] and the gmor today is going to say yes there's a good to say k should not be able to use is the salt. You know what the is? >> No. Cuz he has no partnership in it. He's not a partner in it. Every is pays up. They pay dues. They pay fees. But who's not supposed to give a shekel? Maybe he doesn't get to to to use the salt says the garra who's ravenashi the two authors of the garra. So one says to the other if you're telling me that just means the actual they can't even salt their the onbay forget about their stakes. You tell what >> they are allowed >> that they are allowed through the through the allowed that they're allowed they wouldn't be allowed to use that salt doesn't make any sense how's it possible that for could use the salt for his car but he doesn't have to bring special salt from home but can't when a person says I'm bring he has to bring his own salt like he has to bring his. So I would think that just like he brings. It says in the you bring and comes together with salt and the says you bring a you bring you have to bring fragrances together with the with the you have to bring this I don't care what jar you bring it but you have to bring it from your home. I would think that the salt also comes from his home. He could learn a little differently. That's the same as we said before. You have to bring a together with salt. However, it says also you're supposed to bring you have to have wood. How you going to burn it? You need wood. Where do you get the wood from which the Gar is going to tell us later on? How do we know this? But it's we take it for granted that you don't have to shle wood to the B mikdash wood. They're going to provide you wood in the mdash. Hold on. Let's finish the sentence. So to the salt comes from the community they provide the salt says so what is it more similar to salt is on every single every carbon need you learn salt from wood both of them are in every single carbon you need wood to burn every carbon and you need salt for every carbon Why would you go all the way to to frankincense to where it's a very unique thing for certain perhaps you can learn it differently the salt comes together in one also and salt are very similar they come in the same vessel and we know wood does not go into the vessel wood is just as the you burn it on the but you don't put it in any vessel and therefore it could go both directions maybe you could learn it from from you bring from home or you bring it from you learn it from wood that you get it from the you get it from the B for free we have it says the word it also says so bris we bottom line is salt you get for free if you bring a carving you're going to get salt for free in the mdash it's similar to the wood and we learn it from even though I can learn it from logic but there's another opposing logic that will so I need a puzzle now we're said I have a major it's logic from the fact that is could use the salt. So certainly the kay can use the salt. There's no reason to to differentiate between a k and is why should I differentiate? So when the bez said that we could use the salt. So who made it tonight that khanim could use the salt and they could use it must be that obviously they could use it for their carbon cuz could use it for his carbon. So why did come along and say could use the salt what's the big oh they could use the salt when they're eating their own steak not for a carbon that goes on but for the steaks that go for their private consumption afterwards. They take a a steak, they put it on the grill and they eat it for that also. They could use the salt. That's the big that they could put it on the with the carbon. Why is that could also do that? So now the says no no no just because the salt does not a that a use salt for his carbon. No, the fact that peasants said that they could use the salt is for the carbon perhaps. Why? Bri says there's this thing called every person is supposed to give. says in the anybody that's counted by that was counted has to bring a and what do we do with the we pile it up the whole skull is about this you pile it up and then you take from the the you buy for the weren't counted so he says even though wasn't counted and he's not part of the if he gives a he he's sinning now. Why? Think about it. What kind of sin is it to give a the m to give a to give it to is why would it be? Huh? What could be a reason to be? >> Oh, what? >> Yeah. >> Oh, so that's the idea. The idea is that if you don't have to bring it and you brought it, now you're bringing into the azara. And not only that, now you mixed into the whole pushka. And now when I buy a carbon, part of the money is money. I just messed up besides my a bring to >> once you gave it. >> Oh. Oh. So that's the Gumar is going to say at the end. >> Depends what is what his thought was. We don't know yet. >> Just like anything. >> Okay. >> No, >> you were going to get there. >> Sorry. No, I jumped. If he brings the it's not it's not true. You must give him you're not you're not you are part of the everybody has to give and if you're and you don't want to give him you're not they have their own little which is wrong. What's the says in the anytime a brings if who brings the every single day twice a day the entire thing goes on just like if a brings his own it go completely on his in other words the says every time it's a belonging to a what's the burn it completely you can't eat from Therefore, they continue there are three from it. Obviously, it's not ours because if it's ours once we own it, where does it belong? How could we? It says so it cannot be because will be burned. How do I get to eat it? Oh, I get to eat it because I'm not part of it. It's not mine. Fine. So that's that says bring it as at the end of the day just explaining what the was he should be why do you say he's not sinning he is he's he's doing the to me this is huge I don't know every day we have major condition but that if you bring money into the say the obvious answer the top when We the Tyra gave the saltrok something called you give this you pile it up it's called that's belongs to so he gets to use the saltk but the don't have ako they're not part of it they don't give maybe they don't get salt that they do get salt at the end of the day we don't have a what the was it could that was according to this according to I need a special condition to say can use salt for his for that goes on on for anything that goes on I can use salt I wouldn't know that just because could use the salt for the could also because over here Adams yeah over here you see that the is not so that he gets the salt he's not part of it he's not part of the lishka not part of the lishka you don't get salt forget your stakes I'm talking about for the carbon part maybe you have to shle salt from his house. Holding on to today's [snorts] we already established that we we said before that salt should be like wood just like wood. Imagine if everybody had to bring a carbon and also shle a bunch of wood to the to the would be a big paint. The provides you with wood. So and we said salt should be like the wood. Where do we get that from? Why was it so simple to us that the wood comes from it says I think if somebody brings you should bring the wood just like a person who says I'm bringing I'm bringing certain he has to bring the wine from his house. I'm pretty sure in the in the B mdash there's a there's a store you could purchase certain items such as wine. I'm pretty sure you could get the wine there also oil different things. You have to bring it. It's yours. It's your responsibility. So we have here. So the famous is in the cave with him. He says that it has to be like just like the is the is the community. So too the water is from the community. It's like that individuals didn't use it. It's brand new. So too the wood also is brand new. What's the difference? It can be whether or not the wood has to be brand new. According to it has to be brand new wood. You can't use used wood. You can't use old wood. Those of you that were here in we know the we had it word for word when David went to make a carbon at then he ended up buying the the harabas from Aravno. So gave him a spot to make a bama and he also said here I'll give you some wood. Here you can take some uh some cows make and the tools you use for firewood. The problem is tools are used. How could he use used wood for the the the firewood? wasn't giving him used tools. G brand new in the plastic. It's a goat of the something like this. I mean, this is just it looks a little bit like a goat and has a lot of teeth and uh this is how you thresh the the wheat. So, it's some sort of tool. And he gave him that tool. He says it's brand new here. Use it as your firewood. Where do you see this in the here? Here's the word. It has a lot of teeth. with that you'll you'll you'll thresh the we [clears throat] if take a bowl of flour maybe it has oil already mixed in it sometimes it has that the puts his hand in there so grabs three fingers worth and places it into another k which the other vessel is also kishar And it gives it a little bit more gush. It adds to it. Now, for some reason, you forgot that that already has a in there. And another gets mixed in there. Something else gets mixed in there. He did something. Okay, we'll show it. It's not the same. Yeah, it's not the same. Hold on. We're going to get there in a secondh over here. showing that there's two different minas. I guess he's trying to show how they got mixed up here. It's a little gooey. Has oil in it. [sighs and gasps] Oh, so now you have two, twoas together. Now, if you look closely, one has a lot of oil, one has little oil. Okay, so says the Mishna even if the got mixed in with all these other and we're going to see oh we could say right now all these different have three times the amount of oil than your typical instead of one log per it's three log per three times the amount of oil so it's very very liquidy why why is it puzzle I don't like He says, "When you have a thicker dough with less oil that gets mixed in, touches a very soft dough. What's the problem?" Major problem. If every s needs exactly Luke Shman, what happens if you put a log and a half of oil in there? Hustle. And if it needs three lukmen and you put only two and a half luke shemen possible. So now that you take the two together, you combine them, the one that's that's dry is going to absorb the oil from the very moist one. It's going to have more oil than it was supposed to have and the other one that had a lot of oil is going to have less oil than it needed. So one has more, one has less and they're both problematic. So he says it's possible. Now admit that that's what happened over here. some of the oil from from the one on the left went into the right. So how come it's not a problem? So here we have the concept they're both the same. They're both the so it doesn't really mix. It's not awesome also that we had in you have blood and water spilled into the blood says Rashi. It's not not like it sounds in the gimar but water goes into the in the mdash you an animal and you take blood from the neck of the animal and you sprinkle it on the m bunch of water mixed in to what point could use this blood when is the blood not good anymore so very simple if it looks like blood and it smells like blood and it tastes like blood it's blood it has to look like blood So let's let's just assume that if you could pour in a liter of water up to a liter. Anything above a liter it's going to change the way it looks. I'm just throwing out a thing. If it's a liter plus, then it's puzzle. Anything below a liter it's kosher because it still looks like blood. This what happens if the blood mixes with red wine which is the identical color. So now you can put in a 100 gallons of of wine and still gonna look like blood. So now what? There's no there's no way you could look at it and see that there's too much of another item in there. So right now so if if one liter of water makes it possible. So one liter of wine is also going to make it possible. One liter of water you could actually see you could actually see that it diluted the the blood. It doesn't look like blood anymore with the wine where you can't see. It's the same amount as the water. So you put in one liter of wine it ruins the blood. What if the good blood of the mikd of the carbon got mixed in with blood, but it's blood? You can't you can't use there's no such thing as putting a a deer on under. So what do you do? Once again, you pretend that it's water. So this is the famous concept of but if you think about it it's a fascinating thing which means that if you have one drop of kosher blood that's roy to put on and you have two million drops of non-coosher blood they will not be mat that one drop and therefore what I could use all that blood I could take a giant pale of blood and put one drop of carbon blood into it and then I can use that whole pale and sprinkle it on this of whether blood could be bottle or not. The Tanaka says that yes is if you pretend it's water and if water diluted the blood then it's not kosher anymore even if you have the right says no blood is never never becomes ble they learned this from one it says to take blood from the bull and blood from a goat now a bull has approximately 40 lers of blood a goat has Four. Yosi. How much is 10 times? [laughter] It's 10 times the amount. Yeah. 10 times the amount. Four and 40. It's 10 times the amount. So it says you have to as much blood as you can. The whole thing. So you have 10 times the amount. So the truth and when you mix the two, you have to mix the two. So you can have 10 times the amount of bull blood versus goat blood and yet the goat blood is not but so you see from here what you could you could see two things from here says you can learn it either way you want either you see everybody knows there's a lot more blood in a in a cow than there is in a goat. days of says view it as something different. So they say, "Why are we bringing here this idea of uh mimino?" No, it's not about mim. It's about two animals that go onto the misb. We have two animals going on. I don't care if one is small and one is giant, one is a goat, one is a bull. If they both go on the misb, one cannot cancel out the other. That's one way to look at it. There's a concept in all of all of everything. Was that one of the books he wrote? And this is in the book. Very nice. Oh, mom, she came at the right time. From here, you see why did the T said, hey, the the the goat blood is not bottle in the bull blood. So, this is so simple. Now, we're just going to repeat it. Who told who told that? Maybe rebu is right. Why do I get this idea that if it's two things that go on the bay, one doesn't get maybe simply because they're both blood and one blood cannot cancel the other blood. Like said it would just talk about the same the same uh the same min and not talk about twoas. Okay, you're right. But we're talking about how can the Torah put it over here? The should have said it in another case. I don't know where. And then why does the put it here on on when you put them both on the on the obviously the is saying that two things going on. They don't cancel each other out. Nothing to do with maybe you need two factors. The maybe look ra that it's the twobas that pulls from the p it's maybe need both. They're both right. Who's at the And now we do the same exact thing in with zero I think pulls from the you see that if it's the same blood and blood it doesn't matter blood of a goat blood of a cow the cow is not the goat and therefore you sprinkle it on as get his concert maybe over here just see if it's two one doesn't cancel the but the is talking about the same the same uh the same product two bloods of the same to do with with that that go it's a car the same question maybe you need both maybe the same saying both maybe right and you are right you need both Sorry, it's not we're talking about a guy does a and it gets mixed in with a which goes completely on the or the brings twice a day and that you bring together with the with the carbon together with the the the wine. Why says because this one has three times the amount of oil as the other one. So the one that's very dry is going to absorb oil. Even a small amount, let's say, but now it has more oil than it needs. So it became possible. Now the other one that had a lot of oil has less oil than necessary. So it became possible. They're both possible. Who cares that one absorbs from the other? No, you don't view it as an absorption there. It's the same exact min. It's oil and oil and it's as if the oil stayed in where they were supposed to stay. The oil of the kamita stayed where it is. It has the same amount. They don't they don't travel from one another. They're not they're not they're not one another. >> What? The cash is on. It's only on says something very interesting. You're right. When you have oil and oil, the one is not. But you forgot about something. There's another ingredient here called flour. So what do I do? Let's say I have I have a kima. We're talking about this. Yeah. Let's let's talk about this. I have here I don't know half a pound of flour. Just throwing I know it's not half a pound though, but just to make it easy. Half a pound of flour and I have a quarter of a liter of oil in my hand. Comes another quarter of a liter oil and goes in here. So says the what you do is it's the two quarters of a liter of each other. But I'm going to get rid of I'm going to pretend Because I'm going to pretend that the oil that I have in my hand to begin with is not there. So now I have a bunch of flour. I have a half a pound of flour. This half a pound of flour is going to be the oil from the other one. The a quarter liter went of the other guy of the this guy. This left guy went into my hand. It absorbed it absorbed a quarter liter. Well, my flour in my hand is going to be mat that oil. It's very just very simple. There's another ingredient called flour and the flour is mat oil. Not the oil is mat oil. >> Just the gar says a little bit of a that we pretend that there's no other oil. >> No, the [clears throat] kak that's in my hand. What happened was I have I have a second here. This fist is a second. It touches this and oil from here goes into here. So my flour in this hand is going to the new the newly introduced oil it's going to and that's a problem. Then it becomes that both of them this one has too much this one has too little because it's it's bad and that's the problem. So let's just read in get rid of the oil. Pretend that this hand doesn't have oil and the new the the oil that came from the other from this hand went into there. It's the the flower in this hand is going to overcome it and have a wonderful day of this such a thing. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or [music] sponsor at mdyop.com.