CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 20 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] [screaming] Welcome, welcome all the guests has a question. two lines from the B of B all the way in the bottom. [clears throat] We're discussing yesterday the things that are in a are they not are they how do you say Mak again? We had a good word. >> Essential. >> Essential is one word is a better one. Mandatory. Mandatory is a better word. Yeah. Mandatory. in our means repeat the doesn't repeat it twice. We know salt is mandatory. It's at least according to this mandala. That's it. It's like it says the word we know that you need for you need salt. So we're saying that you need salt. It's not doubled up. There's no double lush and there's no tukim. She says to our Mishna, if you look at our Mishna, it says that if he didn't do, he didn't do the fourth thing in the Mishna and he didn't and he didn't do it's okay. It doesn't say twice and therefore if you don't do it, it's not the end of the world. Going back to the Mishna, the Mishna starts off. He didn't do he didn't do the third oil. He didn't do he didn't do and then he didn't do melik. We just said means he didn't do it at all. So then you have to say that the first thing in the means he didn't do it at all. But we know we already established we already spoke about it and we said that means not that he didn't do it just didn't do it did it which we need to understand because the already spoke about it and the said what about says each word could be a different meaning. So just because means that didn't do it doesn't mean that means the same thing but okay says maybe it doesn't mean that you didn't do at all just means that didn't do it what do you mean how could it's impossible cannot come close to what do you do can't get there so we had similar shot yesterday. In other words, one of the things I remember was said it's like a lion of it's a must says yesterday we're talking about it says it says sometimes you don't need the word sometimes in order to say that it's a it's mandatory you could say other words one of the words is bris brris means a covenant I have a bris with with you with glyol you have to do it like as so you can't just almost do it and not and forget to do it you must do it bris command a ton of it's just as strong as repeating the Pik twice. If it says the word bris, you must do it. However, the problem is why do you say that the didn't say it twice? What the didn't repeat it? Now, if I show you the it's going to be very very understandable. Look at this. It says three times in the not twice, three. So the did repeat itself. This whole you can't learn anything from this. We have Oh, I think now we're going into it. What needs to be salted? think maybe you have to salt the wood. Maybe you have to salt blood. They're also called a carbon. So this is an interesting and and try to remember it because we're going to mention it two three times here. It means that there's other there's something else that comes together with it. in order to put the on you need wood. You need to burn wood. So there's other things. Wood doesn't need wood. Blood doesn't need wood. Needs wood. So what what requires salt? Something that you need wood. So when I put the kamit on the I have to salt it. But when I put wood on the I don't have to salt. put blood on them. I don't have to salt it. What does the do? What does the do the allows you to eat the Yeah, it's one of the mater. So, it's a matter of so maybe anything that allows you to do something else would require salt. For instance, what about blood? Blood allows you to eat the rest of the similar to. So here's another or we're going to remember this. This is one of the we have two today. It has to be from you put salt on. You don't put salt on blood. Okay. Maybe you should put the the salt on the shar part also. You see on the chart the also where do you put the salt? On the carbon part, not the edible part. That's not the carbon. On the part that goes on. Okay. So the thing on the top left the part is what about top right the part the and the and the and the flower come in in one vessel. How can you compare? So yeah. So that's why that's why you need salt. So here that's the question I asked in the beginning. Can you bring by itself? And the answer is yes. I could bring a carbon har like carbon lavina. It's interesting but it's done. Bring a whole k full of lavina. How do I know that if it comes by itself without any flour? It also requires salt. What about the lev that comes in the two spoons on the upon him on the upon back tyrus. And how do you know itself needs salt? There's no goes straight onto the the half in the morning, half in the afternoon that comes together with the wines that come with certain and the the hereim like this. The murmur of the katim of the asham. I love the detail of it. Like literally it like looks real. What's kachim? So rashi says something interesting. I wouldn't know this without rashi. He says because it bothered me right away. You look at rashi because if you're talking about kas and asham so what else is there? What other kachi kachim are there that are not addressed by the gumar? Yeah, it says it says. So what else is there? There's nothing else on the list. Oh, says yeah, there is something on the list. The you bring on [clears throat] and also if you have you have regular all require salt. You have to every sorry the all the limbs of the all required that they need salt and that's the pulse and somebody screaming out maybe it was that even when you bring wood you always need as we're gonna see soon. All right. How do I know that I need salt on the marban? We said the reason why needs salt. How do I know that the frankincense requires the salt? Why do I have to say this? Because that comes in one. This is the idea that if there's if it's there's wood that burns it that that requires salt. So is burnt by the wood. It's a requirement. Oh, so we don't even have to say that there's zero trauma when it comes to cloud in this year. When the Tyra says a generalization says carbon carbon can mean all these things that you see over here can mean meat. It can mean wood, lev, a bird. It can mean everything. So that's a very general generalized mus. But then the says a only on a you should put salt. So that's pratt. So anytime you have a generalization and then uh specification of pratt then what the is doing is saying forget the cloud. There's no cloud. It's not generalized. It's very very exact. It's a pr. But if the tire adds another cl afterwards, then it opens it up again. But the reason why there's a pratt because now I have where to focus. It has to be very similar to the pratt. So that would be if there's only a clown and a pratt. So right now we're at a cl. I have a carbon cl. The word carbon is general that what? So it has to be exact. There's no generalization. It's very specified in we remove the whole list of that we saw before all these different things and has to be only and that's the only thing that requires salt. Whoa. And then we said no you got to continue in the it says in the here we go. So it's all the types of carbonas. So now it brings everything back in just what there has to be something similar. It has to be a carbon similar to the to the which is a so what do you do? So you have a generalization on both sides. It's a sandwich. So you have to take the middle thing the very spec specific thing called a pratt which discusses a and we learn from that to the general category that We're still in that thing over there. The wood, there's wood that's burnt because of it. So everything in the cloud has to be something that that's why Yoshi put the fires over there. There's wood burning. If there's wood burning, you have a carbon that needs wood to burn, then it requires salt. If anything has wood, then it requires salt. So now let's go back to a different question. Same question. If I bring a carbon that is wood, does wood require wood? Probably not. >> So then why then I shouldn't have to salt it? only something that requires wood. So the Gumar is gonna say on B that wood requires wood. When you bring a pile of wood, you're not lighting it. You light underneath it. You light the wood from the from the B. And therefore wood does require salt. That's interesting thing. What's going on here? The gimmar says that since blood comes together with something else, blood comes together with theim come because of the blood. So they go together and therefore to require salt just like Leva comes because of a mah. The leav comes because of the mah and that's why it requires salt. So too that come because of the blood should also the blood should need need salt says no no no don't come the the the the wine doesn't come because of the blood the wine comes together with it makes sense there's wine and there's meat it's like that's what we eat on there's of a sim meaning the wine. The wine is the end of the you get you get you have a kapara through the blood and you have the that oh you got a kapara just you don't even have to drink the wine just bring wine it's like part of the reason why gets salt because it comes together with the are separate. The the wine is separate. That's why there's no salt. The wood that goes together with goes together with all that's why it needs salt. This kit comes together with with wood, but it's and it also is a matter. So basically has two things going for it. Maybe you need two things. Maybe it's not enough that it just comes with wood. It comes with wood, but also it's a matter. So maybe you need two things. the comes from the from with together with the upon him comes from the it's the m for the without putting it on the fire you don't get to eat the upon him it's also something that needs wood so you have two things going for it you have wood and you have a m anything that doesn't have these two things that says no blood is just a matter if there's wood with blood. So it has one thing. So then if it only has one thing, you know automatically it doesn't need salt. So then if you know automatically it doesn't need salt, why do you need a you need a cuz that's not how you figure if something needs salt or not. It's not dependent on one or two things. Obviously it's not about two versus one. Otherwise, we wouldn't need a specifically blood. Even if it only has one thing going for it, it does need salt. We learned from the that's the and and to exclude it's only not blood. Maybe it's you don't need to put salt on the limbs. No, it makes sense logically that you should have to salt limbs in my says I like it. They actually changed changed the uh what everybody else has is [clears throat] fire and we don't even we don't even uh do this uh we don't use the last but basically it stands for this right over here as Gamar is going to explain. What am I missing? I feel like I'm not showing a certain video. Oh, this. No, no. The [laughter] guy brings a wood a wood carbon. [laughter] No, I think that's later. It's later also. No, no, let me show that later. I have to show it later. It's later. I'm jumping the gun here. All the good videos are for later. >> Okay. That's also later. It's all the way at the end. Okay. So, I'm saying you have to get you have to salt up these limbs. Why? Because they have six things that are similar to what are the six things. There's you have to burn it with wood. You have to burn the limbs with wood. Just like a you need fire. They're outside of the of the but sometimes blood is different because blood is inside blood you don't you don't put on the fire you throw it on the wall you don't have wood underneath it have the the is of leaving over can't be and if you use it you have to pay the use blood says Blood is similar to and blood should require salt. Blood is a matter. It allows after you spray the blood, sprinkle the blood, you allow the carbon. First of all, it's second of all, it's possible when comes along over here, there's a massive tas. We discussed it invim the famous of ram that he says is not like we think is when the sun goes below the horizon but rather it's 58 12 minutes later and then you have 13 and 12 minutes of mashes a total of 72 minutes that's you have two things that are similar blood is similar two things says but the six we had six things that are similar so that's why I'm going to take the and blood and I think [clears throat] that wood wood and blood require salting why cuz they're called but because I thought that that's I have a and not not bloody carbon. Who says that wood is considered carbon right according to you would need salt? You'd have to salt the wood which is extra you're allowed to come and donate wood. How much is considered? You have think of like two pieces. It's a carbon. What is in fact a it's a type. What kind of carbon? It's not a carbon. It's a carbon. You have to take it. Let's see if we even have a gush. I don't even know if we have it. But you know what a gush is? You have to take it the wood and bring it to the on the southwest corner. Listen to this. You're not going to believe this. How in the world do you do kamita? So that's this video right over here. Let's watch it. It's this video. Well, maybe an hour. It's just you have to have an idea. It's a ninja. [laughter] >> Oh my gosh. >> It's how do you do kamita with wood? Rash at the end of the says you have to make it into sawdust and then you do kamita. That's what he says. You break it up into small pieces. is unbelievable. You can't just put Oh, so here's Shakar's video. Hold on. Where was it? Here. Oh, that's a Hebrew. We don't need Hebrew. This one. >> Shalom. I brought a Corbin. [snorts] >> If you didn't like this one, that one. Forget this one. Go to sleep. >> Not the horse. Sputnim. >> The etsim. >> Yes, the woods can be. >> You can lower it a little bit. >> So, what's with the wagon there? You brought two corbanos. [laughter] >> Mamesh. Funny. That's the wood to burn my corban. >> Oh, interesting. >> Kid, sir, you need wood to burn the wood. You can't just bring wood. >> Oh. So the problem is how do how do we deal with the in the seems like wood doesn't need salt and over rebi says before wood needs salt says okay you're right if so you have to take the word out because does need salt so now we have so there's a whole long rash here there's two that we have if you remember we have I told you We have this one, you know, the the clat that's a meal. But if you're going to remove wood, which requires salt. So what's the second meal for one meal? Okay, we'll get we'll say blood doesn't need salt. What's the second one for that? I already took out from. So now what do I do with the cloud? The cloud says okay wine doesn't need salt. How do I know that from the second meal? Really we're going to start over here tomorrow. We can just read it. There are four things that don't require salt. wine, blood, wood and says him just said that wood does require salt. They do require salty goes on to say it's a different t that says and that we can finish tomorrow have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdyop.com.