CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 17 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding on. In Hebrew, it's called It's the smallest. [clears throat] It's considered like the smallest uh fruit, vegetable item, food item. So we're talking about pigle. What's piggle? A person is bringing a and he thinks to himself that he's going to take as he's doing the as he puts it on the misbeh I'm going to eat the leftover whether the leftover is dough or the leftover is flour. I'm going to eat this flour the leftover tomorrow. Now we know you can only eat today. A min is kachim. It's like an like a you can only eat it today. So if he thinks about tomorrow, it's already outside the permitted time. So that's pigle. And if you ate it right now, today you get curus. Why? Because you already had that thought that you're going to eat it tomorrow. Now what happens if you break it down to nuclear to atomic particles? Every single shum every sesame seed you do a pigle on. Do one pickle and then you move to the next. Let's say so the whole kumita is um a thousand sesame seeds. So you do this a thousand times. One sesame seed at a time. You do pickle. Do the all the pickles of the sesame seeds they combine to be one pickle until he finish the entire thousand of them. We have a three-way. We just don't know who says what are it works. It's piglead. One says it's not pigle. You don't get cus, but it's it's no good. It's possible. You can't eat from it. It's no good. Put it on the side. It's completely kosher. So now we're going to do a very quick of everything we learned yesterday and the day before. Oh, so this is the katim. It's not. Check this out. In order to eat in order to eat the shim, the leftover of the cuz you're going to take one three fingers worth of the ma from the large bowl. You put your hand in there. The kite puts his hand goes like this. Takes three fingers worth puts it in a small bowl. There's also the vine on the top of the shion. Take that to the side. Put it in another bowl. The two things on the top, the kim and the you have to put on them as you cannot start eating from the large bowl the get to eat the dough. They'll make donuts out of it. But they could only eat it after they put the kima on the and the on the soim. They allow you to eat the so now we have two matim for one thing. So if you put one of the two on the that's not enough. That's aim. It's only half. According to a mayor, you could do pigle on the shar with half of the m if you just thought about the kam during the kam you thought about the sharam you're going to eat the shar tomorrow that's enough that's pigle according to you need both you need you need to think that thought by if you have two matim you have to think that thought that you're going to eat the shar tomorrow by both so perhaps your mayor who says that you don't eat the whole thing you could do a half a m so therefore he holds you could do one sesame seed at a time. One sesame seed at a time is a thousandth of a matter and that's okay. Every thousandth of a matter it combines. You don't need the entire m perhaps says no maybe the exact opposite. We'll throw it. We could toss it around. We could make the spar go work the other way and they say you can't do a half a m. You have to do the entire M. You have to put both the and the leav on top of them. So you would have to put all the shum together in one shot on. So beautiful. Once we have, you know, we have a little bit of the we have two an sheep and two two breads. Those of you who saw the shear, you saw a Kamyansky doing to the sheep. You have to do with the two breads. You have to wave it a whole thing. So rebi we had a shilm sh what happens if now in order to eat the breads you have to you have to be both of the sheep. So sheep blue and sheep red one and two they're both mater for the bread. So we have two mater. And Rebe says that if while he's shutting sheep number one, he thinks about a half a kazayas of one of the breads, he's going to eat one one half of a shear, a half a shear, a half a gaz of bread number one tomorrow. And as he'sing sheep number two, he's thinking to himself he's going to he's going to eat from the bread another half of his eyes. So we have two problems going against us in this case. What are the two problems? First of all, each sheep is a half a m. Second of all, and that according to half a mat doesn't work. Another problem is that he didn't even do a full shear. Each one he did a half a shear. Rebi says it's so bad this pigle your mish is not on the level of doing piggle. So the entire thing is kosher. It's mish. You can eat it. It's not a problem. It's zero pigle. So we have three sheet is like complete pigle. It's not complete risa pigle where you get carus. It's just puzzle or it's completely kosher. It's like and it's something in the middle. We have three is over here says who told you you know where says you can do a half a pigle on a half a mat when you do kamita. Look the kamita is a full kamita. There's a full shear over there. Okay. So he didn't do the levina but he did a full shear in the in the kamita. But over here when he's doing sesame seed at sesame seed each one is not a shear. So maybe even that it's not pigle and who told you say it's pos over there they said it's ple and not 100% pigle because the m look the m is and he only did it on the kit. He didn't do it on the lev. So say it's no good. It's not a good pickle. It's a puzzle. But over here he did the entire all thousand sesame seeds. Eventually he got to every single one and he did pickle in every single one. So maybe it's real pickle over there in this case when you have two sheep and you have two breads. So he he did a little bit from one each bread. He didn't do the whole bread. He didn't do the whole thing from the bread. But over here where he did it from the same from the same uh uh batch of of so that is a good pigle says you're right. If you hold that it's pigle you're gonna say it's pigle even according to and even according to that says kosher he's going to say over here and when you say it's possible it means according to all three sheet is reb is going to say it's possible that it's not pickle and if you say that it's kosher over here by the means it's completely kosher even according to that says over here he's going to say it's kosher why would you say Again, what are we talking about? A guy did piggle a thousand times and a thousand small shim of sesame. If you hold it, we said this. What's normal to eat one sesame at a time and to put on at a time? Yes, it is the way to eat. It's not the way to be like that. So if it's not the way so it's not even just will make it possible it's like you put it on it's like that never went on so it's not yes you could put on a little bit at a time it's not the way to eat say those who are you will see soon that let's talk about here these So the two things on top are what you put on the the and the so if I think during my that I want to be the leav in other words I'm thinking as I put the kit on the I'm thinking to myself I am going to be the lev tomorrow that's pigle for the lev because you can't you can't put it on tomorrow you have to put it on today so that's considered pigle they say you could go from one m to the other oh now it's against a lot of things that we learned I I I understand says a matter but we learned that one matter cannot be another one that we learned by two sheep. You cannot have a thought of sheep one to sheep two from the blue to the red. But that's different. He brings the we're going to have in a minute or two in five minutes. Since over here is in one cle the together with the was in one cle so one could have an effect on the other says Rashi typically speaking say you can't be you can't have a thought from one M to the other from let's say different that's when check it out when you from the kim and you're thinking that you're going to eat the sh tomorrow you were you completely left the lev alone the lev has nothing to do with anything that's all by itself but over here you did one of these you're thinking from not from to the so you actually thought about the lavina now you like involved both of the mater together in your thoughts So they come with a big and they say it's as if you had a thought in both let me prove it. So he brings all four over here. What are the four of a of a you do you put it into another you walk the cle over to the and then you put it on that's putting it and and and putting on here like this these the four avoid that we we have we have you're going to eat or you're going to be that's a typical outside of its place is because never gets cars and if you had the thought of which is outside of it a lot of time then it's cars now we put all four in one sentence so we want to say that all four you did it the same way so says that the last one the The last called is similar to kam. Let's say now think about it. Kim there's no levina involved in kamita right? You're doing kima just to the flour just to the dough. Therefore is there one matter or two matters by kamita. There's [clears throat] only one matter by kamita. There's no leva involved there. So if your thought is to do pigle by the kamita it's a full kamita. It's a full pigle. Why? Because there's only one one there's only one m there's no where do you have two all the way at the end wanted to say also okay but there's two there's two so but but look you put all four in one sentence so you have to compare all of them just like let's say the first one or the first two first three you could you're thinking about and you're thinking about also So the last one also so it's whether you're going to eat it or you're going to be look so you could go from the to you see you could go from you could think about when you when you're putting the you could also think about why because it's similar to the first part where while you're putting it on the well why you're doing the you think about the it's good it's a good pigle no not a you're right it's in the same sentence but they're The first three are different. It's you can think about eating. You can think about but the last one the last one is is you can't be not like they go from one to the other. Oh, you have to stick to what you're doing. You have to you have to be in both or whatever it is. But you need both is arguing in the name of you're wrong. Not you're wrong. It's not true. what said you cannot think about during while you're doing the so you can't think about the doing doing even according to it says you could do by half that's only because it went from the to the claim to do who because the kim happens to be what allows the sharim to be eaten one of the things that allows to be eaten here take a look at this the The kamita allows the shay to be eaten. But what's the connection between these two? These two these two don't have a connection. The the kamita is not m and lina. Lev is m the shim. The kam is mim. There's no connection between the in terms of tells who was this. You heard this from from our tell me if you heard this. You heard it from Yes, I heard it. You can't go from the little We're talking about the two sheep of Shu here. Let's say this picture is better. You have two sheep and he shifted one of the sheep to eat that sheep. Or let's do this one. He shifted the blue to eat the blue tomorrow. What's that? It's a half a matter. The blue is a half a matter, but it's its own matter. It allows itself to be eaten. When you shed it and you put it on, you could eat it. So while heed it, the blue, he thought to himself, he's going to eat the blue tomorrow. So it's actually pigle. It works on the blue, but it doesn't work on the red. So his red friend is not pigle. What if he had thoughts about when he's shucking the blue? was thinking about eating the red the next day. [clears throat] That's perfectly okay. There's no pickle at all. Why? It's our we just said now because sheep number one is not m sheep number two. What do they come to be? The bread's in the center over there or themselves. But they're not coming to m one another. Blue has nothing to do with red. [clears throat] That's not the reason. This is where Rash got it from before. Over there, the two sheep are not in one cle. But over here that the the are in one vessel in the beginning, the large then that's why they have they have an effect one on the other. This is also one of the beautiful. I don't think it's anywhere else. side. I didn't really check, but I have a feeling it's like one of a kind. This thing made me like taste it like in my bones. It's in it's in I I love it so much. It's like worth like the entire chass. So, something weird is going on here. He put two things together. He's he's putting the on the misbehav which is piggle tomorrow to eat the shirim tomorrow. What is going on here? He he he put the kima on with two additional thoughts to also put the leava at the wrong time and also to eat the shim at the wrong time. That's pigle Michael. What what's what what's he trying to do here? If you're talking about our sug tomorrow and if that's considered pigle so then why did he talk about so erase all part and I got the idea the idea is I can go from one m to the other from that was that's what they said in other words take out the whole sentence of you want to tell me about that then what you're going this way you're going from the to the you're thinking while you're doing the I'm going to put the on tomorrow so what so what's extra over here the is extra why are you talking about the >> to eat the tomorrow what do I say whatever >> okay that's another thing if you could do that or not that's another we'll get to okay eating the tomorrow laying just remove the whole of a part. Why are you sticking both things now? And if you want to tell me and you could go from from one to the other. This was a shocker to me. I'm not a great Hebrew speaker. I'm not native, but I asked Israelis last night and they kind of also thought so. What does it mean when I read to you and or or what does V mean. >> And that's what an American would think but not Rashi. Rashi says V means or. In other words, stick in the VV. And if there's a VV, it would mean two separate. If you tell me two new that what I hold and I also hold that I could go from one matter to the other matter. So say that's going from one matter to the other. That's another listen to this boy said this is unbelievable. Everything you thought is the opposite. It's not about it's not about one from the other. It's the exact opposite. He holds that both of those things are not true. I don't he doesn't hold like your mayor. doesn't hold like just this is why he loves it so much when you combine it all together then he agrees to it. So since he said by he's going to be to be to eat the tomorrow. So you put it all together in one big pot and that makes it pigle. Even though typically speaking you don't say and you can't go from one from one to the other in this case since he put it all in there that's the big it's like a okay if you your to eat and by the way is one of the two mater called pigle. Is that true? I did one of the mater. It's only that says the m is okay. Not okay. We we there's a problem here in the it didn't really say pigle. It said ple. So we have to change the words around. If if you're already changing words just say you know what it's now just according to one sheet called says no no no one thing he remembers he remembers that he was told that it goes according to everybody you can get confused between those two words iceberg goldbergle but that that to hear that it's according to everybody and now you're going to go it's just one person that that says we actually I'm pretty sure we had this Mishna or at least an if you do the to eat something you're thinking in your mind to do pigle on something that's not the to eat in other words the goes on the it's not edible the lev goes on the it's not edible your thought while you're doing the was to eat to eat to physically as a human being to eat the part of the that's not edible, that's not pickle. You're going to put the onto the and that's not something you do. The shar is something you eat. [clears throat] That's not says no that is considered well at least it's possible. It's not possible. You did the right thought. You thought about eating the tomorrow but only a half a half a kosher. You need a full shear if you want to combine a half a of a together with a half of eating. In other words, you want to you're thinking to yourself, you're going to eat a half a of the tomorrow and you're also going to put a half a kaz of the onto the tomorrow. Those two don't combine for one. Why? You can't combine the two. That we certainly had at least twice. time. Why does say it's puzzle when when you think about >> something that's not the d to to eat? You're going to do you're going to do piggle on on the which is supposed to go on his back. You're thinking to yourself you're going to eat it. Why does he say it's puzle very interesting say what's what's talking about two different things there's two types of eating as we discussed in the that what that there's eating and there's eating when when you spray blood on that's eating that's the eating of the [clears throat] the ruins it when you think about the eating of the just like you go from one food to the other food from one to the from the from the one to the other interchangeable. So it says that you could go from a thought of eating a even though the is supposed to be because the should have said and the used they take that word out will argue they say you know why it says it in the eating tells us two different and though this we're going to have see how learns them. It doesn't matter what lion you're thinking about whether you're talking about or it's still considered a pigle I need to tell you the so just like usually is a so too when you put it on I know the is also no when it comes to eating it has to be the you can't have a of me eating a leav me eating a kamita goes in this just let's finish is how does know I'm saying before not before the year is over before I do the sponsorship how does he know these two so double up the same word twice why two different words you can go from a person to is actually looking from learning from apostle it's apostle what's what's your punishment if it's an apostle You should get cars like every other pigle and if you say that according to he does get cars you yourself said that in the name of cars why doesn't get cars you right according to one he actually does get cars according to what if righteously you get cars according to others there about in the we learned this is you don't drink the blood so a carbon in order to drink the blood tomorrow which is for the or the the steaks that he's supposed to eat he said he's going to throw it on the it's the skirt steaks the the kidneys the fats that go on the you're thinking to eat it that's also and says now just to leave the blood, not to do anything, not to drink it, just to leave it. Remember says which we have to understand what is saying different than now when you're drinking the blood you say I want to drink the blood he says certainly If he's just going to leave it says, "Oh, this also says he's saying the same exact thing as says. So this is all we want this over here. What what the argument is?" You're right. Says it's possible. Do you get or not to leave the blood over you don't get what? But the other case of drinking the blood that you get the same saying to yourself, you're going to drink the blood tomorrow. Both of them is just absolut [clears throat] spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.