CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 14 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Says the neph. So we know that you're bringing two breads and you're bringing two sheep. In order to eat the breads, you must be m the two sheep. So the two sheep are the m to eat the breads. In order to eat the breads, you must put the two sheep on the misb. In other words, the only way the what gives you a what allows you to eat the breads is the fact that you're going to be putting on two sheep. Not one two. So each one of the sheep is 50% of the m if I put on one. So I didn't complete my whole m I have to put on two sheep. We had a similar thing by a you have to do a you have to put your hand into the flower and take three fingers worth by putting those three fingers onto the mah. That's m number one. M number two is taking the frankincense the leva and putting it onto the mb. When you do those two things, then you could eat the the leftover flour of the So what happens? This person had a bad intent. His intent of pigle, his intent of eating the breads when you're not allowed to eat the breads tomorrow. The only day you're allowed to eat the bread is on. When you is allowed to get on that day and the night, but not tomorrow. So when you think about eating the bread one out of the two breads tomorrow, you are on that one bread. So what happens to the second bread? That's the same thing would apply with the two. There we go. You have ahan on the you have the two spoonfuls of frankincense. Ah, I'm getting to use it. By putting those two fragrances on the fire, burning them, that allows you to eat the bread, the upon of the So if when you put the frankincense, you put the on, you had an intent, a bad intent that you're going to eat the upon not today on Chabas, but tomorrow on Sunday, not all the breads, but only six out of the 12. Yeah. The m what allows you to eat the are the two you put the on but thinking to your head you're only going to eat one pile of these breads six out of the 12 says the pigle only works for what your intent was. Your intent was to eat only six breads outside the allotted time. In other words, tomorrow. So those six breads become pigle and if you eat them the other six only become pigle to become possible but not to become true not that you're and they say no they're all connected. Everything is connected. So we must remember this this if you do piggle on six in fact you did piggle on 12 they're all one they're all one pile they're all from the same batch batch I mean they're all from the same group doesn't have to be the same batch that made in the oven but they're all the same so you make pigle on one you make pig on all of course every you know whatever you make pigle on that remains pigle the rest they're possible but not pigle the rice where you says tremendous and he says that if you do piggle on a right thigh then the left thigh doesn't become piggle. If you think to yourself you're going to eat this carbon I'm allowed to eat this carbon today and I'm not allowed to eat it tomorrow. So you think to yourself you're going to eat this carbon tomorrow but what part of the carbon? Only the right thigh. The left eye does not become pigle. What is the reason? Perhaps he's using pure logic or he learned it from a learn from logic. The same thing would apply with tum. If a person says to themsself I or touches the right thigh, so the right thigh becomes and it and it doesn't magically spread to the left thigh unless of course they're attached. But they're not attached. If one thigh became does it all become? No way. And some say it's he learned from a when you make a pigle on one thigh it doesn't apply to the second thigh. So is being questioned by it says the word I want you to remember this word means in all cases it would gonna ask because it typically means more than one case in all cases in two three four cases you have to be in both in if you have two animals if the to sheep. In order to create pigle on the breads, you have to fagle while you're shifting both sheep. came in. Um, let me just make sure. No, wrong. You have to do pigle. The gar is talking about the breads. You have to be rais on the two breads. Saying that I'm going to eat the two breads tomorrow. Now we're trying to question is the one who says that if you fagle in one it doesn't really apply to the second one as strong. So says in these breads you have you want from both who's it go according to say on one both all you need to do is do on one and it applies to two so obviously this is going to say you have to be on both now if you say that let's say by an animal an animal is considered one body one one unit. So that's why by breads also I could understand that there's a it it combines the two combined to one. or even starfeed. So why would the breads combine to be one if by two thighs A does not mean B right is not left. So why is it when it comes to breads you're telling me that A combines with B? says the gar I'll tell you why rebi he it's not he goes according to rebi the gumar is gonna ask right away but according rebi has to go according to either or if he goes according to then we're back to square one then we still didn't gain anything we're saying now that it's not it's so let's So if we take a look, let's say let's say that these two these two uh sheep and the two breads, he's going to the one right next to him. Let's see the one the the the sheep on the left. And at while he's shing his sheep on the left, he's thinking about a half a half a kazayas of bread from the left bread. He's going to eat that tomorrow. Then when he sheep number two, which is to the right, he thinks about that while he thinks I'm going to eat a half kaz of the right bread. The left sheep with the left bread, the right sheep with the right bread. Each sheep as is said, he thinks about a half a she or a half a kaz. Together we have one. He says this is completely kosher. You allow to eat the meat of these animals. You allow to eat the bread. It's not pigle. Why? Because each each sheep is a half a matter. And with each half a matter because you need two sheep to be m so each one is a half and with each half he only did a half a she a half a gaz and a half is not enough says it's only because he did a half and a half what if he didn't say a half a from the left one and a half from the right one. said a full kaz from both from both breads, not the left and not the right, from both one kaz. He changed his wording a little bit. Instead of saying half a gaz from bread from the right bread and have from the left bread, he said one whole kaz from both. Then it's now the says very good. It's great. But what does rebi go according to? He could only go either in our according to or now leave. If it goes according to according to if you do on one one bread it automatically jumps to the second bread. We said so this can't go according to you leave the whole the whole reason why we said it goes according to because we had a problem but if has to hold we didn't gain anything goes like now what was your problem was that according to if you did go in one it should jump to the second says says a little bit of a You read it wrong. What does it say? There's a huge difference between in fact says the we don't read it with a we read it with one is referring to animals and one is referring to the bread. So says like this, we're not talking about the breads. We're referring to the two animals that the pigle intent his pigle should be done while two animals. You ask me if he did pigle on one bread, it should jump to the second bread. We're not talking about the breads. That that's what you thought. We're talking about the animals. As he's shing the two animals, he must have of pigle and both animals. Why? Because both animals together combined to be a m. Each one by itself is a half a matter. So you can't do pigle and a half a m. And now if you do pigle on both animals then then even if the thought was about eating from one bread that pigle thought is going to jump to the second bread as well and this comes to hold I could do on one sheep out of the two why because I this is what these briskers were tooling about they're remembering ing how lumb and how this took forever. It was an unbelievable. They all remember these words. What does it mean that I could have an intent to eat the bread instead of today when the Torah allows me to eat it today on Shabas? I'm eat my intent is to sneak it out of here and eat it on Sunday. That's pigle. Now there's two breads on the do two breads. My thought was only on one bread. It goes on both breads. But that's if how many sheep did I think about it? I'm the shing sheep one, sheep two. Do I have to have this thought on both sheep? Since the two sheeps combined to allow you to eat the two breads. So each sheep is m it's 50% of what I need to allow me to eat the bread. So the question is can I be can I think the intent of eating it outside the lot of time I'm one out of the two that's a half a matter the same idea by is the leftover the middle one the giant bowl that all the get to eat only if I put the frankincense on the only if I put the law it doesn't go like mayor and you need to be in ask if that's the case always comes to say that this applies in all areas to to to exclude many other cases. If it only excludes one case then I wouldn't use the word I would say is in this case like that and in this case the opposite. I wouldn't say forever I have a I have a rule forever and ever it's like this. No, that only that's only if you have more than one case says my law it comes out that I'm only excluding one case. Now what's the case in only occurs when you when you have intent in both sheep and not in one only in this and not in this only with two sheep not in one sheep that's not a that's not a word that we use in such a case we don't use the word if in fact we're talking about the two breads and the two sheep that's the your thought is about you had the thought while you shing both sheep on the two breads is the breads is the sheep and it goes according to and not says that is okay that one out of the two is okay no you need to and it's also coming to to exclude are of the opinion is talking about the sheep that if you think about one sheep during the of one sheep you could dole to exclude and also to exclude who say that when you think about one bread it jumps to the second bread. So they exclude that as well. Now, okay, now you're excluding two cases. Great. So it's a good usage of the word. But if you're only going to exclude one case that you cannot do, you can't have a thought while you're doing one sheep. Your thought has to be with two sheep. But that's the only case you're coming to exclude void. So now until the end of the we have one nice. It's two, but it's one. The the basic idea of this riot is long. So I'll just say real quickly 10 seconds or maybe 20. The idea is that when a person thinks piggle on blood, we automatically take his thought and say it can't be on the blood because there's no such thing as pigle on blood. So it goes on the meat. So ma if I think about the right thigh, it automatically should spread to the left. If my thought is on the blood and it spreads to the rest of the animals, if my thought is on the right thigh, it should spread to the left thigh. That's question. Let's see inside. We're going to explain all this. If a person we're talking about in the mdash there's inside and outside inside the that's inside right outside and is called outside for this case right now. Can you create can you or can you can't create can you or can you create pigle with something that's designated to go in the so the says that yes you could you could create such a pigle even though it's designated for the but only on condition that it's outside of the the the the and the blood applications are outside the the if you have to do if your thought is in something that goes inside for no explains the what's the case standing in the in other words outside I'm going to do I'm going to sprinkle the blood inside the tomorrow why your thought was outside about something that occurs inside. No, no, it's not good. It's not a good for people. Next case, reverse case standing inside. thinking about outside are the sacrificial parts the kidneys the fat the the skirts that they go on the outside not the but that's the outside in let me show you what it looks like if you're new to they used to take the leftover blood and pour it right over here two little drain holes Okay. So that's the and that is obviously under outside in so that's a thought about doing something outside is not considered put you are thinking about this inside about something that happens outside not a but if he's standing outside and he thinks about doing the what did I say he's standing outside standing in. He's going to he's thinking about pouring the outside of that. So everything is outside. Thumbs up. It's a good that's considered because that's while he's outside thinking about something he's going to do outside. But when he when he's when he's spilling the what exactly does he want to do pigle with he wants to he's thinking about the blood to make the blood he can't make bloodle because we learned there's an entire list of things that you cannot make and these are things that don't have a m again a matter is another item that allows you to eat the other item. When it comes to bloodbas that allows you the to eat the meat or if it's allows to eat the but you need a to pour the blood the blood is the m for the meat but the blood itself has no matter so the blood itself can never become pigle let's talk about a min what allows you to eat the shim the so the itself doesn't have a m the kah is the m to eat So therefore the kit itself cannot become a this cannot become and the frankincense also it goes on the it's part of the m of varus and the frankincense well no is not the frankincense is I'm just thinking about where I put it so it doesn't get lost and of a which is completely burnt on and of also completely burnt and of every day twice a day there's no goes completely on his and blood doesn't have a doesn't become so obviously when he says that it becomes pigle when you're pouring his blood you're trying to make the meat pigle says so that's that's the question that we mentioned before mouse You weren't thinking about the meat. You were thinking about the blood. But yet your your extends from the blood to the meat. And if I eat the meat, you didn't think about the meat. It becomes so over here when you think about the actual meat. So if you thought was on the right thigh so certain it should transfer over to the left thigh then a very very similar question a person does for a to eat the leftover let's see what it looks here's your and you want to eat the center bowl the large bowl full of dough so you did the the kimo You took three fingers worth or you're thinking about putting the top left corner piece. disagrees that's considered but we just we just said a second ago there's a whole list and the first one in the list is the itself does not become why the is what allows you to eat the has what to be mate which is the kit itself has nothing what to be mate it itself is a matter a m cannot become so what obviously we're trying to You want to make the you weren't thinking about the you were thinking about the yet we said that the pigle occurs on the giant middle bowl that all becomes pigle and if you eat it you get so over here when we think about the right thigh where culture can certainly it should transfer to the left So we have an issue like this in the mission he holds that if you faggle one one out of the two breads the second bread doesn't really become you don't get carbs but in the it says that if you're magle a kaz of two breads in other words the two breads combine that's what he says if you if you have if you do peel one kaz out of both breads together we have a It's they're like one. So all of a sudden now he says they're one in our he says they're not one. If you think about people for one doesn't know people for the second one. So to answer this again we have a kind of a contradiction. Then in the it seems like he says the two breads are not connected. If you one it doesn't connect to the second one. But in the he seems to be saying that you can combine the two breads by saying I want to do pigle out of both of them. So they have a connection. You know why I could sort of dance in twoas? Check this out. Here's the p in the same. They seem to be one and they seem to be independent of each other because the says they are two individuals. They're not connected. And then the says the two of them become one. Therefore, he says in on the one hand, they're like one that each one needs the other. You do each one individually. So, if you decide to mix them together, you say I want one out of the two of them, that's fine. It works. That cost of a song because at the end of the day, the Torah made him one. But if you divide them up, you split them up, then they are divi divided because made them two different bodies. Okay. In easier said the carbon. Here we go. Something special happened to you. A person was released from jail. He overcame a a terrible disease. So he brings aid with 40 breads. So the question is, what if he's magle on the 10 breads on the right? the rest of the breads the the 30 other breads let's see does the mat become says that the has two types five and five so it's also type of same idea two piles of breads one does it occur to the other one yes the same that we had in the regarding the two loaves of bread if you on one accord it's not pickle on the other accord it is so same thing over here I'm on 10 so according to all 40 become no 10 is 10 and the other 30 become possible they're not this easy stuff but we know that believe it or not is a matter is certainly a matter. Meaning by throwing the blood on the allows the to eat the meat but also by the way is a little bit of a m it's not a little bit it's a matter. So what happens if a person So what happens if during the he thinks himself he's going to eat a half a kaz half a outside the I'm allowed to eat this carbon for one day I'm going to eat it tomorrow just a half and when he gets to he says another half of in other words if he did a full that's for sure if he did a full it's for sure but he didn't do it like that he did a half It's good pigle. Why? You could combine the two, the beginning, the end, the the two red boxes. You think I have a put them together, you have a full Some say it's the first and the last because both of those are considered a m they both allow you to eat the meat of the carba. Look how far away this is from this you have in oh sorry I think I missed the words but the two blue boxes it does not become you cannot combine together with you cannot combine with because those are not considered mater they just allow you to continue on to to bring it they they enable you to the next step, but it's not it's not a matter by itself. If combine as one, even though they're so distant from each other, the furthest from each other, is number one. Zik is number four. So certainly number two and three can combine said that you cannot combine any of the four for Don't worry about it. The case that we had earlier, we have two breads and two sheep. We have bread on the right and bread on the left. We have sheep on the right, sheep on the left. So when he sh on the left, he's thinking to himself, I am going to eat a half a gaz from the bread on the left. And when he sh the she on the right, he thinks to himself, I'm going to eat a half from the bread on the right. Says, it's so far-fetched. It's so v. I'll explain soon why. I can explain now if you want. Because first of all, each sheep is only a half of the matter. Since you need two sheep in order to allow you to eat the bread. So each sheep represents only 50%. Another problem is that what he's thinking about is each time only a half a shear. So you have a half a shear of bread and a half a m. Those two things together is a zero. So everything's kosher. There's no there's no pickle over here. So you allow to eat the bread, you allow to eat the carbon. That's great. when you have a half a meaning one sheep and a half a from one bread. But in our case of thinking about half his eyes but the is a full and so is the it's 100% a m it's not similar to two sheep. two sheep each one of the two sheep only represents 50% of the m but over here we have a unique situation where the is 100% the m it's like two sheep so when you two sheep thinking about a half a maybe would say that's a problem maybe you wouldn't say it's at least he wouldn't say it's kosher If in fact you're behold that when you do which is a full m but he had intent only for a and in that he would say that it's pigle if so that can't be why I'll prove to you that You're wrong. I'll prove to you there's no difference if he does and each one did a half of his eyes and in did half of his eyes. It's no different than the case of two sheep on and each one he thought about a half of his eyes. What do you tell the two sheep each one only represent 50% of the matter but is 100% of the matter. Guess what? If Rebi didn't hold that byita and what and by shifting a full m doing and thinking about and then doing another full matter doing think about he says it is people does combine then he would be forced to be geyser in the case of two sheep on and say that it's he wouldn't say it's kosher kosher not kosher he wouldn't say that why because you have to make that's power abundant operate if there's a case similar to it then it's so similarly might get confused so again if in the case let me just I'll put on the on the on the we'll do like this if in this case where you did and he holds it's 100% then in this case rebi would also be forced to say that it's pigle at least that he did of one sheep thinking about one bread and another even though they're not not the same case as you asked but they're similar to listen the words might be complicated but the concepts are simple the we see that even that we're discussing they also make where do we see this because it says that if a says I'm going to take this leav this frankincense and put it on this tomorrow. He makes he says listen it's not but I make it possible say it's a real pigle it's not if a person the pigle on one of the here are the two of there's two things that you have to do you have to put both of the and the on and he thought himself I'm going to do pigle by the by the not the lev So you see he says there's no but they say it's also they make that even say listen it only makes sense to make when there's something similar some some something that I have to make about but in our case there's no such thing as anywhere in the There's no other case like that. So there's no point to make what there's a case of I have to be because of the and said listen I'm going to be on one thing of the because of the which doesn't have any other doesn't have which doesn't have a and I'm going to make for because of another of the the spoons by the one one sheep for another sheep one spoonful because of the there's no other case like this in the world that I have to get up and make about it. We're just going to try to get to the obviously And this makes sense that this is reasoning because it says they agree to that by by the sinners and the that if a person were both those two go completely on the there's no that if he's if he of cars. There is there's cars. But what are you saying? There's no there's no there's no other thing to be mathered. The whole thing goes under. This is what he's trying to say. The reason why in a regular Mah regular when you take the is because of the of the that's similar to it. So you see only in cases that they have similar similarities do we make but not in something that has nothing similar to it. Raai have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.